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Oro Sarmasa
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.16 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Oro Sarmasa on 16/07/2007 20:14:41
Being a Vherokior from a well-to-do family that's had good business dealings with the Ammatar for decades now, I'd like to ask the "RAGH KRUSH AMARR" faction of the Minmatar to bury the hatchet, at least concerning these former slaves.
Don't you people understand? These slaves are now free... and now have a good opportunity to make well for themselves. The past can be a burden sometimes, and this is one of those times.
May your new lives in Ammatar space be prosperous ones, newly-minted citizens.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.16 20:42:00 -
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"In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved." - Words from an ancient world, but true nonetheless.
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IRS Informant
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2007.07.16 21:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Kabajashi San
"In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved." - Words from an ancient world, but true nonetheless.
Not that I'm really involved in this whole conflict, but isn't "achievement of freedom" what the fanatics strive for??.. Something along the lines of "you work yourself to death as a slave and eventually find enlightenment and get freed." Seems a fair enough shot for any people pathetic enough to get themselves relugated to the status of a slave race.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.17 12:21:00 -
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It isn't even that complicated IRS Informant as the path to Enlightenment need not be "working yourself to death". Nor do we view the Minmatar as unworthy because they allowed themselves to be enslaved rather we acknowledge their sin and give them opportunity through slavery. Slavery is a benefit to them as it allows them to reach Enlightenment and find a future.
Archbishop
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
Furian Alive
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Posted - 2007.07.17 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Slavery is a benefit to them as it allows them to reach Enlightenment and find a future.
Archbishop
This is a simply ridiculous sentiment. "Allows" intones a desire to find the enlightenment you claim to have... forcing someone into slavery is never that persons choice, but the choice of an over zealous, self-righteous regime of tyrants.
I don't know why I even bother with you people, you're always tripping over your words and redirecting questions. The only way to see our brothers and sisters freed is to burn your kind from the face of this galaxy. Retribution is ever on the horizon.
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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.07.17 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Agustus Caesar
The slight media bias displayed in the Republic-Federation bloc is an entirely different animal from the outright propaganda displayed in the Empire.
If it happens in the Republic/Federation its just a slight bias.
If it happens in the Empire its outright propaganda.
I see...
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Agustus Caesar
Minmatar
Rho Dynamics
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.17 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Silvermist
Originally by: Agustus Caesar
The slight media bias displayed in the Republic-Federation bloc is an entirely different animal from the outright propaganda displayed in the Empire.
If it happens in the Republic/Federation its just a slight bias.
If it happens in the Empire its outright propaganda.
I see...
A tendency to dig up dirt on a particular faction, but over all digging up dirt on everyone, even your own goverment, is called slight bias.
A concious decision to never dig up dirt on one's governmet and only report bad things about rival factions is called propaganda.
The state controlled press in the Empire churns out propaganda (unless you can show me a story that was critical of the Imperial power structure)
The free press of the Republic and Federation publish newsworthy stories wherever they dig them up, regardless of any negative implications for the Republic or Federation.
And that my friend si the difference between the Imperial and Republic-Federation bloc media, propaganda and free press with slight bias; glad I could clear that up for you.
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Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.17 18:41:00 -
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Sorry, I don't like to play the vivisection of words but "achieve" is in no way what these poor souls have done. Achieve is something you actively do, that you want for yourselves, that you long for and finally reach. You don't really want to tell me that as they lived with their families on a peaceful border world their wish and longing was to be captured by pirates, their homes destroyed and their families killed or separated, just to become followers of the Empire one day?
The indoctrination of someone hold captive until he surrenders and tells you what you want to hear is in no way an "achievement".
That is why these slaves will never be free. Yes, I consider them still slaves, bound in the mental chains of a criminal empire. They will not be free until they have liberately chosen, with no outside pressure of whatever kind, to live as Amarr or Matari citizens. Choosing the only reachable way out of a life of misery and abuse and accept the lesser of two evils is not a free choice. This is what the quote means I think. You have to fight for your right to be free not surrender to your master so that he may take off your metal chain and bind your mind instead. You cannot give someone freedom. You can only stop enslaving him. He will have to do the final step himself.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 04:34:00 -
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The indoctrination of someone hold captive until he surrenders and tells you what you want to hear is in no way an "achievement".
..... sigh .....
When you look at the confusing rhetoric of yet another misguided Minmatar you can see why it is essential they be saved by the Amarrians and offered a life of purpose. Misconceptions about his perceptions.
Indoctrination - Hardly. They are brought into a caring society where all their needs are provided to them.
Captive - The slaves are kept confined for their own safety. We can see by the tribal infighting of various Minmatar factions that left unsupervised they could kill each other.
Surrender - Another false term as this does not describe at all what they do when they accept God. They walk into the light and cast off the path of sin they lived for one of blessings and hard work. They are not surrendering at all they are winners.
Want to Hear - We only want to hear the truth. We can tell when a Minmatar has reached the acceptable level of Enlightenment. There are tests and trials they go thru to prove their beliefs are not false. So many wash out during these trials and show us they are not yet Enlightened.
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