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Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:34:00 - [1] Each year I am honored to free a certain number of former slaves as they become Enlightened and accept God and their place in service to Amarr. It has been a year and four months since the last release described here.... PATH OF LIGHT In two weeks I will free an additional 162 slaves who have become Enlightened and accepted their place in the Empire. They will be provided ships, funds and slaves of their own and will travel to Ammatar space where they will reside in peace with their Ammatar brethern. I will update you all on their progress and will include photographic documentation of the Path of Light ceremony when it takes place. I plan to invite several Amarrian and Ammatar dignitaries to the event as witnesses to this solemn occasion. This again is proof of the kindness of the Empire and the rewards a life of service can bring. These 162 slaves have moved on in their evolution and will take their place among the FREE Ammatar in faith. Freedom is available to all who would accept God and the truth. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Karl Mattar Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.29 03:29:00 - [2] Congratulations on another service well done.
Shern Minmatar Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:18:00 - [3] Very happy for these new free Ammatar, I know they will find their place in our Mandate !
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:52:00 - [4] So you have turned another 162 into tools of madness? Erased their heritage, brainwashed their minds, crippled their morality? Spread the virus of slavery furthermore? I hope it will be a big party because their ancestors will come after you in the next world so it better be worth it ...
Heartstone Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:59:00 - [5] Congratulations on your sterling work to bring those poor people into the light. I for one know they will be welcomed with open arms into the Mandate. --
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.06.29 12:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Kabajashi San So you have turned another 162 into tools of madness? Erased their heritage, brainwashed their minds, crippled their morality? Spread the virus of slavery furthermore? I hope it will be a big party because their ancestors will come after you in the next world so it better be worth it ... There is just no pleasing some people. They have not been brainwashed for heavens sake their minds have been made free of the lies and hate. Good job Archbishop again, your services are an inspiration to all.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.29 13:28:00 - [7] You forget to add: ... and free from the moral implications of enslaving their own kin, free from human empathy and free from the last remains of responsibility and sanity.
Kimo Sabi Minmatar United Systems Navy	Posted - 2007.06.29 13:51:00 - [8] Edited by: Kimo Sabi on 29/06/2007 13:52:02 What pathetic, typical, religious nonsense! Amarr has given no consideration to the damage that it's so called "religion" is doing to others. These poor Minmatar are brainwashed into believing that their slavery is of their own doing and that the Amarr is doing them a favour! Why are they slave in the first place? Because Amarr put them there! Why are they being release? Because the Amarr are kind? NO! Because they want your favour! Do not presume that because these are "enlightened" people, that they will stop their opression of the Minmatar. If you are Minmatar, I urge you to rise up, and help our fellow brethren be free of their chains! We have seen your packs, looking for ways into our space, to take the defenseless, those who do nothing more than buy and sell the resources and trinkets of foreign places. And you think we will be placated by the release of a mere 162 slaves? What of the billions of Minmatar slaves, still made to suffer at your hands? No Honour and No Freedom, they are forced to live in servitude of masters who grow fat and loathesome. ======================================== Kimo Sabi's Mining Spreadsheet
Tyr Cloudstone Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.06.29 14:17:00 - [9] You mean now that they are brainwashed enough to do your bidding without chains you can give them a little leeway? This is not freedom it is mind control. Originally by: Karl Mattar Congratulations on another service well done. As for you Lt. Com Mattar you disgust me with your complete lack of morals in favor of your 'good business practice' Tyr Cloudstone
Jack Malus Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:57:00 - [10] Yet another blind tradition to blur the depredations of slavery. Will the ceremonies be held at Port Sanctuary or has it fallen into disrepair? Also an interesting response from CAIN if that is indeed their official response. ---
EliteSlave Minmatar Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.29 16:17:00 - [11] Your actions will be noted among the Matari... Dev's if your Ugly and you know it.. and Proud of it... Sign Below ;)
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.29 16:36:00 - [12] They have been noted, and will be shot on sight! --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
innot Minmatar Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.06.29 17:44:00 - [13] You make me sick Archbishop
Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.07.02 05:24:00 - [14] Archbishop, the news fill my heart with joy! I am currently ministering to our brethren flying around providence near the Deliverance station (formerly known as UNITY). Some of this Ammatar pilots are not even part of our corporation but volunteers to help cleanse the area of the constant flow of terrorists in the region. Your news have given them a morale boost. We will continue to pray for you and your work. May God continue to guide you and guide those that call upon His Holy Presence! Ogoel Marek
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:29:00 - [15] That is truly good news Archbishop, I look forward to the documentation of the ceremony. Its quite sad to see that alot of people complain about freeing these slaves and even call for their and your blood. This again reveals the true aims of this terrorists and their supporters: Death and destruction with the act of stealing slaves as a mere excuse for more bloodshed... ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Melichor Duraldi Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:53:00 - [16] I have not seen the calling of the former slaves blood, however it is more like the calling for the former slaves to rise up and tell the truth about the years they have spent in slavery. As with everything in the universe, the truth is based upon a certain point of view, and in this case the point of view we have for the slaves is from the slavers standpoint. I would like to see one of these "former" slaves post about their REAL experiences, not something written for them by a slavers hand, such as the "Letters from Home" propaganda that is all to apparent now a days.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:57:00 - [17] These will be dark tales about pain and suffering. Nightmares of terror and bloodshed. Tales of such deranged morality and insane cruelty you will want to throw up. Stories about the blatent denial of the value of a human life. Tales that would want you to punch a slavers face for these monstrosities. And be assured that these tales are not made up by some propaganda machinery. We are not slavers storytellers who manipulate peoples minds on Galnet. They are our own tales, our own fates. Many pilots of the UK have experienced such crimes when they were held in the darkness of slavery. As you can imagine talking about the horrible things done to yourself is not an easy thing to do if you don't want to fall into blind blood rage. When I think about the dark time of my life I feel the eager to mount a ship and fly to Amarr prime and just bomb every peaceful village and every unsuspecting city to make the family of the victims feel what the Matari felt when the raiders attacked the tribal worlds. I feel the eager to torture and to hurt just to make others understand the pain I felt in these days. I will not give into that feeling as it leads to darkness and suffering. When I have found a way to tell about the dark time without going insane I will do so. For the moment I will clear my heart of hatred and fight on to end the suffering of my brothers. For this is my purpose. Not revenge but empathy with the lost. And not only for those who suffer physical pain. A body is just the present state of your being while your mind and thoughts are eternal. When you meet the ancestors in the other World they won't judge you by the marks and scars of your body but by your actions and the character you have built. So more importantly I fight for those whose minds are being crippled and brainwashed, who are denied their cultural heritage and who are made into tools of Evil by men as ruthless as Archbishop. A crime done to the mind is a hundred times worse than a crime done to the body.
Karl Mattar Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.07.02 22:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Jack Malus Also an interesting response from CAIN if that is indeed their official response. You needn't worry. I represent only my own interests here. If I did not, you would see some sort of Diplomatic title associated with my name. If I decide to speak directly to CAIN policy, I will preface it so. Otherwise, these are simply the words of a pilot. I have reason to salute friends and allies, after all I have served among them fighting the good fight. Would you not raise a glass in praise of a friend who has accomplished something he holds of value? My response is to honor the good works that our allies of the Empire have done. They civilize the savage beast in the garden of Eve. Clouding the issue does no one good. I still keep the book that was given to me when I left them. Reading it gives me peace at night. And in the end, isn't that what we all want?
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.03 04:41:00 - [19] While these former slaves are still trapped by Amarrian dogma, that they are free is a good thing. Indeed, the Amarrian religion is not all bad, as Father Goose can attest to. I condone this action, and challenge you to free twice as many slaves next year. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Karl Mattar I have reason to salute friends and allies, after all I have served among them fighting the good fight. Would you not raise a glass in praise of a friend who has accomplished something he holds of value? Agreed, salutes PIE Congrats on the job well done. Visit my blog =)http://rilderslog.blogspot.com/
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/07/2007 11:49:27 Originally by: Nachshon While these former slaves are still trapped by Amarrian dogma, that they are free is a good thing. Indeed, the Amarrian religion is not all bad, as Father Goose can attest to. I condone this action, and challenge you to free twice as many slaves next year. Watch your words, pilot. The religion the Father preachesis far from the official dogma, which preaches enslaving people until they are not capable of making their own judgments and decisions. The "freed" slaves here are not free; they are in a worse position than the freeborn Ammatar; they have been beaten, harrassed and brainwashed into submission and into ideology not far removed from insanity; they are now fighting with those who believe in the Reclaiming. By condoning this act you are encouraging them to the above. That is beneath anyone of the People, and anyone who flies with the Republic. I want to stress to the public that such encouragement is not at all in accordance with Gradient policy. Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Asst. XO / Diplomacy and PR -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.07.04 12:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Melichor Duraldi I have not seen the calling of the former slaves blood, Originally by: Major Stormer They have been noted, and will be shot on sight! Good enough? Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon The "freed" slaves here are not free; they are in a worse position than the freeborn Ammatar; Again: Nobody is free until you say so... ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Amira Silvermist Again: Nobody is free until you say so... Or you say so aparently. the Empire has the funny habit of only "freeing" their slaves long after they've lost an sembience of free will or ability to think for themselves, in otherwords; the chains only come off once the slave has been programed to tow the Imperial line. Are they free? In the sense they no longer have the chains around their wrists or chemical torture devices around their necks, yes. But are they truely free? Do they have the ability to dissent, to think for themselves? Can they leave the Empire to reside in other nations? They may have the right, but they lost the ability to do these things long ago, and in the opinion of this pilot that is far from freedom, they've just traded a physical prison for one in their own mind. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Amira Silvermist Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon The "freed" slaves here are not free; they are in a worse position than the freeborn Ammatar; Again: Nobody is free until you say so... An Amarrian attempting to point out someone else's supposed self indulgant egotism... how remarkably fresh. Well, no I was not being serious, obviously. There are age old trees on my clan's land dating back possibly to before the days of darkness that show more signs of youth than most Amarrian rhetoric displayed here. All these people are free to do is the bidding of slavery. Constructs of a crime against humanity, released to become criminals themselves. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.04 20:30:00 - [25] Tell me, Amarr -- if those "enlightened free people" would choose, out of their free will, to leave the Empire and join Electus Matari in our struggle for a stronger Republic, would they still be considered free people? Or would they again be counted with us among the ones to be reclaimed? -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.07.04 22:44:00 - [26] As all 3 of you pretty much say the same thing I will just reply to Agustus to answer your questions. Originally by: Agustus Caesar ...they've lost an sembience of free will or ability to think for themselves, in otherwords; the chains only come off once the slave has been programed to tow the Imperial line. I assume that,in your eyes, I tow the Imperial line too? Does that mean I posses no free will? Originally by: Agustus Caesar ...are they truely free? Do they have the ability to dissent, to think for themselves? A freed slave is a citizen of the Empire. There are few cases where citizens, no matter if former slaves or not, choose to dissent. But I assure you: when they get caught, they will wish they were a mere inmate of a detention colony for for violent criminals then a sentenced traitor to the Empire... Originally by: Agustus Caesar ...and in the opinion of this pilot that is far from freedom, they've just traded a physical prison for one in their own mind. I could just repeat my former reply to Elsebeth here but it wouldn't get us anywhere. The problem obviously lies deeper: The freedom you propagate doesn't exist. Nobody is truly free. Everybody is chained by his own self. An example? Would you, all 3 of you, truly consider to resign from EM, get you Pod implants removed and start living a good humble live somewhere on Pator? Not losing a another though on your "brethren" that are, by your own words, still chained in Amarr? Would you stop fighting for whatever you stand for right now? No? In that case you are too a prisoner of of your very own mind. Just like everybody else in our cluster... ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.04 23:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Amira Silvermist I assume that,in your eyes, I tow the Imperial line too? Does that mean I posses no free will? Perhaps I was too indirect, correct me if I'm wrong but you were not beaten, tourtured, and subjected to viral blackmail untill you decided to fight for the Imperal cause, yes? You made the choice totally of your own free will, with no coersion or threat of force levied against you to influence your decsision. My original statement basicly said this, but in typical Imperial style you seem to have missed addressing the content in favor of making a snappy retort. Originally by: Amira Silvermist A freed slave is a citizen of the Empire. There are few cases where citizens, no matter if former slaves or not, choose to dissent. But I assure you: when they get caught, they will wish they were a mere inmate of a detention colony for for violent criminals then a sentenced traitor to the Empire... Fair enough, in making the first half of that sentence I was unfamiliar with the rights (if any) afforded to Amarrian citizens, thank you for correcting me. However the issue of free will remains unaddressed, even in the rosiest of pictures slaves are disciplined untill they're opinion is the "correct" one, in otherwords, untill they prove to the "instructor" that they believe in Amarrian racial superiority and display absolute fealty to the Imperial cause. This is hardly free thought, the slaves are coerced into believing a certian way as a precondition for freedom (as second class citizens). Originally by: Amira Silvermist I could just repeat my former reply to Elsebeth here but it wouldn't get us anywhere. The problem obviously lies deeper: The freedom you propagate doesn't exist. Nobody is truly free. Everybody is chained by his own self. An example? Would you, all 3 of you, truly consider to resign from EM, get you Pod implants removed and start living a good humble live somewhere on Pator? Not losing a another though on your "brethren" that are, by your own words, still chained in Amarr? Would you stop fighting for whatever you stand for right now? No? In that case you are too a prisoner of of your very own mind. Just like everybody else in our cluster... This by far is the most inane tactic for rebutting abolitionists. By saying that not everybody is truely free, what is freedom really? and a frieghter load of other extentential questions used to deflect points. I fail to see how your hypothetical situation is related in any way to the issue at hand. I can choose to give up pod piloting, I haven't had the idea pounded into my head from birth that leaving pod piloting or the Republic will result in the damnation of my eternal soul. Your hypothetical situation, while artfully designed to make abolitionists look hypocrites, does a poor job of defeating the arguments presented here. For most of my adolecent and adult life I have had the option of free choice, the right to weigh my options and act acording to what I feel is right. That is the difference between me and those slaves, the only thing they've known are what their masters and slave handlers have told them, they've never had any oppritunties to conduct independent research, to find things out for themselves. I look foward to your next rebuttal, misplaced extestential musings aside this is becoming an interesting discussion. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.05 07:40:00 - [28] Know this archbishop as you may be aware me and you have a dark history and WE both know that what you speak most of the time comes out of your rear end... If the people really knew what you get upto in your SPCS stations then everyone backslapping you here would be picking up a gun and pointing it again at your rear end... So help me s long as i breath my life will be dedicated to hunting you down and placing a bullet or laser blast through your head you sick twisted psychopath... MATARI FREEDOM NOW!!! DOWN WITH BRAINWASHING DOCTRINE AT THE ***** OF THE WHIP!!! People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:43:00 - [29] Edited by: Amira Silvermist on 05/07/2007 14:44:42 Originally by: Agustus Caesar ... you were not beaten, tourtured, and subjected to viral blackmail untill you decided to fight for the Imperal cause, yes? You made the choice totally of your own free will... I think you are under the misconception that converting is a shortcut out of slavery and that faith can be forced directly or indirectly. Neither is the case. Originally by: Agustus Caesar ...the issue of free will remains unaddressed, even in the rosiest of pictures slaves are disciplined untill they're opinion is the "correct" one, in otherwords, untill they prove to the "instructor" that they believe in Amarrian racial superiority and display absolute fealty to the Imperial cause. This is hardly free thought, the slaves are coerced into believing a certian way as a precondition for freedom (as second class citizens). Some thing just have a limited amount options. Just like there is only one narrow and stony way leading towards salvation. Even former slaves have to accept that the deeds of their ancestors is a burden they have to carry now. Originally by: Agustus Caesar I can choose to give up pod piloting, I haven't had the idea pounded into my head from birth that leaving pod piloting or the Republic will result in the damnation of my eternal soul. No, but you have the idea pounded into your head that the only thing that matters is "the choice" instead. But lets address this after the next quote. Originally by: Agustus Caesar For most of my adolecent and adult life I have had the option of free choice, the right to weigh my options and act acording to what I feel is right. That is the difference between me and those slaves, the only thing they've known are what their masters and slave handlers have told them, they've never had any oppritunties to conduct independent research, to find things out for themselves. So if I may recap your definition of freedom from what I could read here: 1.Freedom of mind 2.Freedom of act 3.Freedom of information 1: Thought crime doesn't exist. From Holder to slave, everybody is free to think what they want. Without free thought faith would be a hollow meaningless word. Only God will judge you at the end in that concern. 2. All acts are limited by either prerequisites (You cant shoot someone without a gun, You cant move into another city if you cant afford it) or repercussion (murdering your neighbor is a crime in Amarr and Pator alike). Of course there are differences between a slave and a Holder. Slaves and criminals are obviously more limited by the former while Holders and Nobles by the later. 3. Certainly an interesting point, one where we Pod pilots with our access to FTL transmissions truly shine. But do you really think that these former slaves have less access to information than the average citizen? One could argue that this could have been the case before they have been set free as this lies in the sole discretion of their owner but now? ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.05 16:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Amira Silvermist I think you are under the misconception that converting is a shortcut out of slavery and that faith can be forced directly or indirectly. Neither is the case. I was under the impression that slavery was a religious institution in the Empire, while I was never under the impression that conversion was the fast track out of slavery; I do believe that slavers did point to genuine conversion as the way of getting free in time, or at the very least as a way of getting in slightly less apauling work/living conditions. So if slavery is not a means to convert us heathens, what is it's purpose, is it an economic institution in the Empire? Originally by: Amira Silvermist No, but you have the idea pounded into your head that the only thing that matters is "the choice" instead. But lets address this after the next quote. A fair point, but I fail to see how that is a bad thing. Originally by: Amira Silvermist So if I may recap your definition of freedom from what I could read here: 1.Freedom of mind 2.Freedom of act 3.Freedom of information 1: Thought crime doesn't exist. From Holder to slave, everybody is free to think what they want. Without free thought faith would be a hollow meaningless word. Only God will judge you at the end in that concern. 2. All acts are limited by either prerequisites (You cant shoot someone without a gun, You cant move into another city if you cant afford it) or repercussion (murdering your neighbor is a crime in Amarr and Pator alike). Of course there are differences between a slave and a Holder. Slaves and criminals are obviously more limited by the former while Holders and Nobles by the later. 3. Certainly an interesting point, one where we Pod pilots with our access to FTL transmissions truly shine. But do you really think that these former slaves have less access to information than the average citizen? One could argue that this could have been the case before they have been set free as this lies in the sole discretion of their owner but now? I'd say you've summed up my definition perfectly 1. Obviously people can think what they want anywhere, but in the Empie speaking those thoughts can be a fatal mistake. As for you view on God's judgement, I would that more of your countrymen held that view. 2. This seems to be another common rhetorical device employed by Imperials, the notion that there can only be absoulute dictatorship or anarchy. Government, as with all things, isn't black and white; a government can allow it's citizens numerous liberties without coming close to desending into anarchy and madness. Say what you will about the Federation, they've existed for ages with most member planets possessing liberal legal codes, and they are hardly on the verge of collapse. You don't have to dominate people to keep them safe. 3. I have no doubt that former slaves have access to the same information as the average Imperial citizen, however, by the time most slaves can access said information they've had the notion pounded in their heads that the only reliable sources of information are the official Imperial networks, even if they can view foreign news feeds they've been trained to believe these sources are filled with nothing but lies and propaganda. Again the right may be there but the will to excersise it has long since been crushed. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.

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