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Alec16	Posted - 2007.06.29 10:25:00 - [1] I usually rat in my abaddon just going through the belts killing each spawn as fast as I could. I used 8 tachy II's and would kill all the rats before they did any serious dmg to me. Anyway a friend in a gallente logistics asked me if I wanted to run one of those new encounter sites with him. Anyway he said he would rep all the armor I needed all I needed to do was get some resists and all out gank. I setup my ship like this. 8 tachyon II (Its what i had at the time) 4 cap recharger II Large accom rep dark blood heatsinks (had it on me) 2 heat sink II's RCU II 2 tech II hardeners for rigs I had 2 cap rigs and a powergrid rig I wasnt even able to run my guns due to cap problems. I did a show info on my abaddon and the guns with multifreq were using 85cap/s. All cap skills lvl 5, have all related gunnery skills at lvl 5, Just over 14 mill sp in gunnery and I cant even run my guns constantly. I thought about fitting an apoc but it has less damage and no resistsnace bonus. Geddon still has damn high cap usage and requirs alot of fitting mods to get a decent rack of weapons on it. I thought about pulses but megapulse just doesnt have the range I need. I have lots of SP invested in lasers (large beam spec lvl 5, 14 mill gunney). I am seriously thinking about training up for a raven just so I can run these things better.
Gladiator Jonny	Posted - 2007.06.29 10:39:00 - [2] your using a full rack of tacyons and 3 heat sinks what do you expect? a way that might make it work better would be to drop a heat sink and fit a cap relay or something/
Ciuci FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.29 10:45:00 - [3] Why don't you mention the insane amount of dmg those guns put out ?
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2007.06.29 10:46:00 - [4] Hahahahahaha, made me laugh silly, thnx, made my day :) Seriously tho: 'OMG my lame old normal Battleship with just 4 cap recharger II's and 2 cap rigs can't even run a full rack of the most cap using BS sized weapon in existance (ok not including smartbombs) fitted with the highest cap using lenses forever!?!?!?!?!!' You do realise those Tachyon II's are the types of lasers the average deathstar has to run a charge cycle for right? Also using RCU II is a pain to my eyes.. You need a RCU II and a powergrid rig to fit a full rack of tachyon II's? That should be a good indicator your ship should not be able to run these things continuously.. Also if your buddy is going to rep you.. why do you have a large repper and just 2x resistance? I feel you may have better luck using something like: 7x Tachyon II 1x geez I dunno, bring a drone link and use some sentries? 4x cap recharger II (if you already used that why not) 2x t2 hardener 1x t2 EANP 2x heat sink 2x t2/beta cap relay 3x CCC rig some drones, maybe sentries but I reckon you need to move still Should be a little better for your resistances and cap use.. I doubt even this is sustainable with better cap lenses, and it's a bit less dmg output, but I'd feel better in this setup.. Good luck with that raven, but you might want to consider doing an artillery setup if cap is the problem.. For pve I'd also go raven.. but that shield tanking is even worse for your cap ;) All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Tony Benn	Posted - 2007.06.29 10:49:00 - [5] Edited by: Tony Benn on 29/06/2007 10:49:52 Yup, the curse of Amarr. Try this: 8 Tachyon II 4 Cap Recharger II 2x Heatsink II 2x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Energised Explosive II 2x Energised Adaptive II's 2x Cap Rig 1x Powergrid Rig Change the resists as necessary of course, but if your buddy is providing all the rep, there's no point in your wasting the powergrid on a LAR, let alone the cap. Also remember that the heatsinks will vastly increase your cap consumption, so you're better off with tracking enhancers - even with max skills, they still help score good hits. You'll also find you have better results if you don't use multifrequency crystals - they just don't work without an immensely cap intensive setup. Dont' give in, be strong: Don't train for the Raven...
Mindy Moobah Caldari Tech Five Giants	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:26:00 - [6] use geddon Evil Girl You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
Gawain Edmond	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:36:00 - [7] go on sell out train for a raven and then just train for torps and an active shield tank nothing else is needed (that and it gives you an excuse to train up for bombs :D )
podd0r Fudgepackers R Us	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:40:00 - [8] lol train for the raven, your such a ponce
Harondor Miriadwaith	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Keitaro Baka ...You do realise those Tachyon II's are the types of lasers the average deathstar has to run a charge cycle for right?... is it sad that this made me laugh out loud? I have used a very similar setup to the one you suggested anyway and it does work well, especially with the support first mentioned in the original post.
Alec16	Posted - 2007.06.29 12:03:00 - [10] What makes me cry is that I have 6 cap mods/rigs fitted on my ship and cant even use my guns non stop. Compare this to say a raven which uses none at all. The damage is high, but unlike the raven which im thinking of training for its only high against amarr rats/drones. If I wanted to fight angel rats the raven would be doing more DPS and you dont have to fit 6+ cap mods to use them non stop.

Aem White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.29 12:15:00 - [11] Quick answer: Screw Multi's and fit X-rays, and voila, cap should stay stable, with enough DPS.
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.29 12:21:00 - [12] Meh, I just wouldn't use Tachys for PvE. Megabeams all the way baby. . . And as you're PvEing and don't want to use T2 Crystals then you can drop off to best named without losing THAT much, while gain a ton of cap and fittings back. So start with 8 Modulated Mega Beams (or Modulated Tachys if you must) and two heatsinks, and a CPR where that RCU was and you've lost very little and gone most of the way to solving your cap problems. . . - - - - - - - - - -
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2007.06.29 13:56:00 - [13] Have the friend in the logistics transfer cap too? Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Dantae Montoya Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.06.29 13:59:00 - [14] Just do what I do. Put artillery on an abbadon.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Dantae Montoya Just do what I do. Put artillery on an abbadon. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:41:00 - [16] Edited by: Kolwrath on 29/06/2007 15:42:07 Too many heat sinks. Thats your problem IMHO. Drop to one heatsink .. maybe even all of em. 1. Put in three or four cap charge 2s 2. Put in two PDU IIs ... maybe a CPR II, that should fix it. Thats How I run mine. I can run tachs with multi freq indefinatly. Granted I cant run multi freq + LAR II indefinatly, for that I have to drop to Gamma or X-rays. I also have a cap recharge implant which helps a little. Dont give up on the tachaddon. Once you get the fitting right its truly a devastating ship. Edit: alot of people fit a large cap booster on it to help out. Personally I dont like boosters but that is a way to help out with its cap issues.
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Dantae Montoya Just do what I do. Put artillery on an abbadon. but then you negate the whole +5% dmg to large energy weps. Might as well fly a tempest.
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.06.29 16:22:00 - [18] You might think about using best named t1 guns on your pve boat as they have significantly less cap usage and easier fitting requirements.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.29 16:57:00 - [19] Hmm lets see: You are putting a full rack of eight tech 2 Tachs which are the most cap dependant guns in the game coupled with a bunch of heat sinks on a ship which unlike most Amarr vessels, has absolutely no cap bonus. Yes you are going to have Cap problems. What was your question again?
Nicodermus Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.06.29 18:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Kolwrath Originally by: Dantae Montoya Just do what I do. Put artillery on an abbadon. but then you negate the whole +5% dmg to large energy weps. Might as well fly a tempest. Indeed, but you have not the same pretty tank. You "can" fit a weapon mod in the lows instead of a cap 2 relay to boost your dmg in projectile. They don¦t use cap. But yes, it isn¦t quite effective. Amarr ships are only for pilots who are able to fit them properly. Cheers, Nico Originally by: Speed Devil Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die. and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies

Cyan Nuevo The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.06.29 18:10:00 - [21] Edited by: Cyan Nuevo on 29/06/2007 18:12:37 Sorry, but the Abaddon is a great ship, you're just not using it correctly. I have never tried this setup, I'm just making it up based on my experiences with the Abaddon. Use Gamma with Megabeams, replace a CRII with a Tracking Comp, replace your RCUII with a CPR. You'll do less damage but use significantly less cap. If you can fit the 8 Megabeams without the PG rig, try an "Energy Discharge El-whatever", the rig that reduces laser cap need. Against the right rats, you'll still get much faster kill times out of this setup than with a Raven. Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, take off the PG rig no matter what and only replace the RCUII with a CPR if you don't need the RCUII. Just play around with it a bit, instead of really working with this ship you're trying to bend it to your will. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Cladius Mithra Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.29 18:25:00 - [22] yes he is using cap intensive guns yes he is using 3 heat sinks no cap bonus blah blah blah HE IS FITTING 6 CAP MODS ON HIS SHIP. That's enough to run dual reps on some ships, and he can't even run his guns? I agree with the OP here. I also agree that many of the posts here about mega beams and maybe tracking enhancers works. I use similar setups and they are fine. That isn't the point. 6 cap mods should be able to run a rack of guns and nothing else without any problems at all.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.06.29 18:33:00 - [23] Use. Pulse. Lasers. They use less cap and there's absolutely no reason you need tachyon range for ratting. If worst comes to worst, use Scorch L in your Pulses, that'll give you a good 50km range which is MORE than enough for NPCing.
Cladius Mithra Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.29 18:40:00 - [24] finding something else that works isn't the point. i have an alt with 1 month of training towards a raven that rats better than my main's abaddon. The point is that beams are broken and something should be done to make them not the worst weapon system in game.
Nicodermus Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.06.29 18:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Cladius Mithra finding something else that works isn't the point. i have an alt with 1 month of training towards a raven that rats better than my main's abaddon. The point is that beams are broken and something should be done to make them not the worst weapon system in game. Pulse beam = short range, less cap, medium damage Beams = long range, more cap, high damage I don¦t see why they should be broken. Or dou you want a pulse beam with the dmg output like a tachyon has? I guess that would call some people "inballanced" (or something like that). Cheers, Nico Originally by: Speed Devil Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die. and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
Cladius Mithra Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.29 18:48:00 - [26] Edited by: Cladius Mithra on 29/06/2007 18:49:40 not at all, i want to actually be able to fire my beam w/o running out of cap edit: pulses actually do more dps b/c of the higher rate of fire. beams main advantage is the longer range
Nicodermus Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.06.29 19:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Nicodermus on 29/06/2007 19:01:22 Then this is the old question of having a decent tank or an amazing dmg output killer. Unfortunately the abaddon is missing the cap bonus of the apoc so both options at the same time are impossible. My humble opinion. Edit: It can be possible. But only with pulse beams. Cheers, Nico Originally by: Speed Devil Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die. and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
Cladius Mithra Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.29 19:05:00 - [28] completely off topic, your sig makes me laugh Nicodermus
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.29 21:00:00 - [29] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 29/06/2007 20:59:32 Originally by: Cladius Mithra Edited by: Cladius Mithra on 29/06/2007 18:34:13 yes he is using cap intensive guns yes he is using 3 heat sinks no cap bonus blah blah blah HE IS FITTING 6 CAP MODS ON HIS SHIP. That's enough to run dual reps on some ships, and he can't even run his guns? I agree with the OP here. I also agree that many of the posts here about mega beams and maybe tracking enhancers works. I use similar setups and they are fine. That isn't the point. 6 cap mods should be able to run a rack of guns and nothing else without any problems at all. EDIT: testing with quickfit, 2 t2 large reps take 66 cap/sec 8 tachs w/ 3 heat sinks takes 78 cap per / sec with controlled bursts to 5. for the record, the 6 cap mods give 70 cap per second, enough to run the 2 large reps, but not a full rack of guns. Yeah except no one was disputing the fact that Amarr sucks and has problems like the OP has mentioned. I certainly didn't. So shove your "blah blah" crap kid. The point is there is no reason to make a post about it because it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that you will run into cap problems with that sort of setup yet he seems surprised about that. Oh and it doesn't really matter how many Cap mods and CCC's you fit on the Abaddon. The ship just doesn't go well with Tachs which I agree is pretty stupid. It is a text book reason why Amarr needs further tweaking and a Pulse tracking boost alone isn't going to cut it.
Thor Xian EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.06.29 21:13:00 - [30] Dual Heavy Pulse II ________________________________________ ~Fleet Admiral Thor Xian, Strategic Commander Meet the Overlord



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