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sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:48:00 - [61] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: fire 59 The conspiracy theorists that get in a fluster whenever someone moves somewhere to shoot something are always good for a laugh oh please, its a little too big of a coincidance to believe that all of a sudden all the greifer corps just happen to want to kill the forces that are attacking the new north. furthermore... i dont think you would know anything about who molle is hiring or not hiring. just because you have a ticker with BoB in it... does not mean you know what your leaders are up to. It takes a truly egotistical individual to post firstly about what other alliance leaders are thinking doing and there plans lol. And then try to knock down another who is actualy in the alliance in question sayin that just cos his corp ticker is the same he cannot know. Thank you i just had the biggest laugh ive had in ages. I forgot how much i missed reading these forums and how ppl seem to forget there last post, contradict it or just ignore it just to win what they think is a sooooooooo important point. (a point they normaly have forgotten or has gotten lost in their haste to argue it). lololololol
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:56:00 - [62] Originally by: Jitagirl First they hide behind MC, now 0utbreak. Can they do anything of their own ? Oh yes and we were not hiding behind MC you guys were just running away so fast from them it just looked like it
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:11:00 - [63] Look at the F10 map, select ships killed in the past 24hrs. The whole of the north has a nice red tinge to it, I like pink
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:14:00 - [64] The OP's question 'Is the new North competetive': The answer is No. MC brought a fleet that could not be challenged, and swept through D2 space. MM and Razor withdrew rather than be crushed. The space was given to TInTSystem. Triumverate broke off helping TInTSystem, probably cuz they realizied how lame they were and cuz they think they can stand alone. MC left. MM and Razor came back, and I was proud to be helping them. Other Northern Coalition alliances also helped. Less than 2 weeks later, TInTSystem has lost all the stations back to the original owners. Outbreak and Burn Eden are paid replacements for MC, but they won't do much more than stall the reconquest. Any claim from Outbreak or Burn Eden that they are there for fun is pure bull...They're just 3rd-in-line proxys for Bob. The others in the 'new North' are simply next in line for reconquest. What Bob and MC are finding out is that the quality of their Pets is going down. They will have to be constantly on a pest control mission, attempting to stop the Coalition from regaining the systems they just cleared. This is the new role that Bob and MC will have to play - being the Tuesday and Friday garbage man. If they fail to make their rounds, they will find that their Pets have soiled their beds. I'm quite sure that they won't like that job and that pleases me. July is here, and we'll see much more fighting in the North. When July is over, the paid lackeys will leave, the installed Pets will be removed and the Northern Coalition will be back in firm control. Pets like TerrorInTSystem will find that they cannot buy space and expect to keep it. This is a lesson we hope to teach all of the Bob Pets - you are nothing without your Master. Too bad You Can't Teach An Old Dog New Tricks. We're gonna have to put 'em all down.
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:17:00 - [65] Edited by: The Dokter on 02/07/2007 15:16:32 Originally by: Princess Jodi Any claim from Outbreak or Burn Eden that they are there for fun is pure bull...They're just 3rd-in-line proxys for Bob. Quote: So people can't have fun in eve, that's rather sad actually O and you maybe didn't hear it but we are an alt corp of ASCN, BOB, RAZOR, D2, MM, RISE, FIX, GOONS, RA and euhh, the rest I forgot "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Princess Jodi The OP's question 'Is the new North competetive': The answer is No. MC brought a fleet that could not be challenged, and swept through D2 space. MM and Razor withdrew rather than be crushed. The space was given to TInTSystem. Triumverate broke off helping TInTSystem, probably cuz they realizied how lame they were and cuz they think they can stand alone. MC left. MM and Razor came back, and I was proud to be helping them. Other Northern Coalition alliances also helped. Less than 2 weeks later, TInTSystem has lost all the stations back to the original owners. Outbreak and Burn Eden are paid replacements for MC, but they won't do much more than stall the reconquest. Any claim from Outbreak or Burn Eden that they are there for fun is pure bull...They're just 3rd-in-line proxys for Bob. The others in the 'new North' are simply next in line for reconquest. What Bob and MC are finding out is that the quality of their Pets is going down. They will have to be constantly on a pest control mission, attempting to stop the Coalition from regaining the systems they just cleared. This is the new role that Bob and MC will have to play - being the Tuesday and Friday garbage man. If they fail to make their rounds, they will find that their Pets have soiled their beds. I'm quite sure that they won't like that job and that pleases me. July is here, and we'll see much more fighting in the North. When July is over, the paid lackeys will leave, the installed Pets will be removed and the Northern Coalition will be back in firm control. Pets like TerrorInTSystem will find that they cannot buy space and expect to keep it. This is a lesson we hope to teach all of the Bob Pets - you are nothing without your Master. Too bad You Can't Teach An Old Dog New Tricks. We're gonna have to put 'em all down. Just a question out off intrest, why does rule always smack?.. is it becouse u realise that u are really bad, and feel left out all the time or??
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:25:00 - [67] "WE'RE BEING SHOT AT!" "Is it bob?" "No!" "Must be! THERE IS ONLY BOB" "IT'S OUTBREAK" "THEN BOB HIRED THEM!" "IT'S ALREADY ON THE FORUM!" "MUST BE A BOB ALT!11ONE" It's all bob, bob, bob with you guys, isn't it? Website Recruiting
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:32:00 - [68] Originally by: Yuki Li "WE'RE BEING SHOT AT!" "Is it bob?" "No!" "Must be! THERE IS ONLY BOB" "IT'S OUTBREAK" "THEN BOB HIRED THEM!" "IT'S ALREADY ON THE FORUM!" "MUST BE A BOB ALT!11ONE" It's all bob, bob, bob with you guys, isn't it? Whichever way you look at it, the dots CAN be joined up that way. MC conquer north for BoB. MC stop. Old north begins to reconquer BoB's new north. Outbreak and BE (both hired guns, or so the CAOD talk goes) both leap in against the old north. True that doesn't mean that thats the case. Theres a hundred possible explanations ("just for fun" being one of which). That one is still possible though. --------
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:40:00 - [69] So, just because we are helping some of the northern corps (which, while blue to MC, were never blue to BoB), that means we must be working for BoB? we can't just be helping those corps? Please continue with the tinfoilery, I recently bought all local stocks in preperation and am making a fortune.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:50:00 - [70] Originally by: Mindlles Just a question out off intrest, why does rule always smack?.. is it becouse u realise that u are really bad, and feel left out all the time or?? ZING!!! The question: Do we think we're bad? The Answer: Hell yes we're bad! Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Garek COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:02:00 - [71] Originally by: Patch86 Whichever way you look at it, the dots CAN be joined up that way. MC conquer north for BoB. MC stop. Old north begins to reconquer BoB's new north. Outbreak and BE (both hired guns, or so the CAOD talk goes) both leap in against the old north. True that doesn't mean that thats the case. Theres a hundred possible explanations ("just for fun" being one of which). That one is still possible though. Which I some agree, but Outbreak could be wanting a space to live in without asking anybody if that space is free. While MC stopped the attack on the north. Outbreaks sees maybe an opportunity to take that space as TCF did before :) except for TCF it was a good training session. :) Instead of insinuating on the forums that OB may be a BOB pet. Start to convo their diplos. Outbreak are really good people ;) and surely good pvpers. Must say I do like them. Guns are always the first way of talking for some corps. After that try teh talking, you'll see in most of the cases it works out. TCF has a lot of respect for OB as OB has for TCF (check previous posts about fleetbattles) my 2 cent thoughts ---------------------------------------------- Nothing...
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:02:00 - [72] Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 02/07/2007 16:01:32 Originally by: Krugerrand So, just because we are helping some of the northern corps (which, while blue to MC, were never blue to BoB), that means we must be working for BoB? we can't just be helping those corps? Please continue with the tinfoilery, I recently bought all local stocks in preperation and am making a fortune. Like I said, I'm not saying bob, I'm saying not nuetral in the current fight. You are fighting alongside the "New North" whether its for money or for fun makes no difference to me.
James Damar Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:05:00 - [73] And as said before in this thread Zak, we have had instances where we have temp naps to get things done, but those standings get reset after they serve their purpose.
Geli Tetro Vanquish Inc	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:06:00 - [74] I forsee a lot of fun for all up north, what more can you want? We wont know if its competitive until a new POS warfare front opens up. T1TS were never going to be able to cope with Razor and MM and it remains to be seen if the ex LV alliances can. So the correct answers is "who Knows" Ps Remind me who Rule of Three conquered to take your space as it seems to have slipped my mind.
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:32:00 - [75] Originally by: James Damar And as said before in this thread Zak, we have had instances where we have temp naps to get things done, but those standings get reset after they serve their purpose. I believe you, I'm not saying any of this is permanent, too much blue makes for no pew pew :(
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:37:00 - [76] Yes, I think it's time: - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:39:00 - [77] Originally by: Freaky Bare Most of the posters are not attacking Outbreak or Burn Eden. They are attacking the New North. Face it - they have their space due to MC and they hope to keep it through you guys. They will gain no more respect from that than my own alliance will gain losing ships to BE/Outbreak ganks. It's all relative. I am not calling you gankers, simply stating we lose to many ships to ganks which happen to come from you. (not the same thing.) I think what is different for many of us is we could not stand the thought of owing our independence to a paid group instead of valued allies. BTW the New North is much more fun than the old North. That may be something everyone agrees on??? Who's side is Burn Eden actually on, because last time I checked they werent blue to us. If they have been hired, i dont think its our side thats hired them and as for outbreak, from what i've known of them they just go where the action is, i dont think they've been hired either. And I love the way you make out as if the whole of the north's future is dependant on 2 corps, as good as they are, thats not the case. _______________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:45:00 - [78] Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 02/07/2007 16:44:20 Originally by: Seleene Yes, I think it's time: I think that may be the first time i've seen that in non-ascii form. edit and yes I'm posting like a ***** today I'm bored at work :(
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:48:00 - [79] Originally by: Krugerrand So, just because we are helping some of the northern corps (which, while blue to MC, were never blue to BoB), that means we must be working for BoB? we can't just be helping those corps? Please continue with the tinfoilery, I recently bought all local stocks in preperation and am making a fortune. Like I said, just because it can be interpreted that way, it doesn't actually make it true. Correlation not causation and all that jazz. I was just pointing out that it's not a completely off the wall theory. Personally I don't really care much either way. Outbreak are cool guys, and I don't have any involvement up north at the moment. If you say you're just in it for the pew, there's no reason not to believe you --------
Camael Kuro Snow Flake Industries	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:38:00 - [80] Originally by: Angor Who's side is Burn Eden actually on, because last time I checked they werent blue to us. If they have been hired, i dont think its our side thats hired them and as for outbreak, from what i've known of them they just go where the action is, i dont think they've been hired either. I believe BURN EDEN are on the side of easy kills.
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:45:00 - [81] Well, SOMEONE forgot to pack the coolers filled with looted IAC brew, so we might have to run back south to get more. It's pretty fun flying around near IMK and reading local channel... Generic northerner> Pod me. Burn Eden> will do.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:46:00 - [82] Originally by: Angor Originally by: Freaky Bare Most of the posters are not attacking Outbreak or Burn Eden. They are attacking the New North. Face it - they have their space due to MC and they hope to keep it through you guys. They will gain no more respect from that than my own alliance will gain losing ships to BE/Outbreak ganks. It's all relative. I am not calling you gankers, simply stating we lose to many ships to ganks which happen to come from you. (not the same thing.) I think what is different for many of us is we could not stand the thought of owing our independence to a paid group instead of valued allies. BTW the New North is much more fun than the old North. That may be something everyone agrees on??? Who's side is Burn Eden actually on, because last time I checked they werent blue to us. If they have been hired, i dont think its our side thats hired them and as for outbreak, from what i've known of them they just go where the action is, i dont think they've been hired either. And I love the way you make out as if the whole of the north's future is dependant on 2 corps, as good as they are, thats not the case. You make some very good points and I wholeheartedly agree that the current situation and the future in the North is not dependent upon what Outbreak and Burn Eden do. They are far too many other variables and players involved. The one entity that has proven it can determine what happens in the north is MC. However, just for your edification, Outbreak and Burn Eden were paid to be in the North. I'll not speculate publicly on who hired them. If either entity or their employer wants to come out and say so, so be it. It doesn't matter. Suffice it to say that we know who it was and we know what their assigned tasks were. That you were not blue to them is, in and of itself, not proof of anything, either way. Generally speaking, Outbreak and Burn Eden "go where the fun is." That's a given. It's not like they haven't been up here before and won't come up here again. However, in this particular case, it wasn't just that.
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:56:00 - [83] We could have just as easily been in the North basing out of IMK, had the those guys thought to give us a shout first.
Barra Cheveyo Gallente Stratos Styx	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:45:00 - [84] Originally by: Krugerrand we can't just be helping those corps? If you're choosing targets randomly then you're like a bad slot machine for 'Alliance' enemies. Just before your trip to the north you were shooting at TCF in the south.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:11:00 - [85] Originally by: Geli Tetro Ps Remind me who Rule of Three conquered to take your space as it seems to have slipped my mind. Right now we occupy the "Drone Regions" so we had no need to conquer any significant alliances just clean the area up a bit. I am not sure if that was a dig or not but it would seem silly if it was since I can't seem to find Vanquish Inc. anywhere on the map. Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:28:00 - [86] Originally by: Caldess We could have just as easily been in the North basing out of IMK, had the those guys thought to give us a shout first. Granted..but then, we're not likely to call for your help (though it would be fun to fly with you guys some time ) paid for or otherwise.
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:40:00 - [87] Originally by: Angor Originally by: Freaky Bare Most of the posters are not attacking Outbreak or Burn Eden. They are attacking the New North. Face it - they have their space due to MC and they hope to keep it through you guys. They will gain no more respect from that than my own alliance will gain losing ships to BE/Outbreak ganks. It's all relative. I am not calling you gankers, simply stating we lose to many ships to ganks which happen to come from you. (not the same thing.) I think what is different for many of us is we could not stand the thought of owing our independence to a paid group instead of valued allies. BTW the New North is much more fun than the old North. That may be something everyone agrees on??? Who's side is Burn Eden actually on, because last time I checked they werent blue to us. If they have been hired, i dont think its our side thats hired them and as for outbreak, from what i've known of them they just go where the action is, i dont think they've been hired either. And I love the way you make out as if the whole of the north's future is dependant on 2 corps, as good as they are, thats not the case. Burn Eden is on the side of the New North. I base this on the fact they spent several days camping the reinforcement route from Tribute. They get lots of kills elsewhere compared to this spot - there is no other reason to camp it. Outbreak is flying with them, but I don't know if they were also camping that pipeline. I was making out like the New North thinks outside help is needed to hold there claim. I have no idea. Unless and until you stand on your own you will be hit with these things. May as well get a thick skin now.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:46:00 - [88] We never hid the fact that we were on contract, we don't disclose who hired us unless specifically asked to do so. What I can say is we had lots of fun, some great fights. Just as many ganks, but in todays eve most of the time its gank or be ganked very few things in between. To answer the ops question. The north is not ready to stand on its own, you have the numbers, you have the equipment, and you even have some talented pilots. But you severely lack organization and good commanders. We are out, thanks for the fun.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:08:00 - [89] Edited by: Wylker on 02/07/2007 21:07:33 Lets say for a second that T.i.t.s. DID in fact hire outbreak. We'll say they hired them for 100 billion isk. Now, why do you say they can't stand on their own? Being able to afford mercs to protect your space IS standing on your own. Just because you use hired guns to do it doesn't mean you're not still holding it. You may have some egotistical hardon for doing it yourself, but that doesn't make anyone else's methods wrong. Hell, every professional army in the world gets paid. Many governments use mercenaries. Not using available resources to win a fight because your e-peen gets in the way is stupid. -Wylker
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 02/07/2007 21:07:33 Lets say for a second that T.i.t.s. DID in fact hire outbreak. We'll say they hired them for 100 billion isk. Now, why do you say they can't stand on their own? Being able to afford mercs to protect your space IS standing on your own. Just because you use hired guns to do it doesn't mean you're not still holding it. You may have some egotistical hardon for doing it yourself, but that doesn't make anyone else's methods wrong. Hell, every professional army in the world gets paid. Many governments use mercenaries. Not using available resources to win a fight because your e-peen gets in the way is stupid. If T.I.T.S. did hire 0utbreak or BE, I'd be demanding my money back. Didn't they just lose their last station? --------

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