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James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.01 16:52:00 - [1] In the days when BoB won wars, we were usually treated to a Sunday report by someone of high rank in the BoB organization. Those days may be past, but as in all things, YACAODI1MAC steps forward to fill the void. Emphasis on the 'objective' analysis. I realize that with any CAOD post there is the potential for propaganda and spin, but you won't find any of that in this thread (not in my posts, at least). Some people say that I am biased against BoB, while others say I'm a BoB alt. Since I take heat from extremists on both sides, I'd say that puts me pretty squarely in the middle. Not a bad place to be when you're trying to craft an objective situation report. So let's talk. What happened in June? Who advanced, who fell back, etc. We begin by examining the situation at the very end of May. The biggest dramabombs to hit Eve included the resignation of two of Goonfleet's top men, Remedial and The Mittani, almost back-to-back. At the same time, a "State of the Goonion" was issued by the outgoing Mittani that revealed a bold new mission statement: the Goons are withdrawing from Teneferis and heading back to Scalding Pass. BoB licked its chops as it prepared to devour yet another region. Meanwhile, MC was putting the finishing touches on the Northern Coalition and seemed poised to dominate the north for BoB. In short, things looked very bleak for the Coalition at the end of May. Then June happened. On the heels of their victories in the east, BoB made the obvious plan: Omist would be rented to new pets, Teneferis would be quickly occupied as Goonfleet withdrew, and by mid-June, the stage should be set for an all-out assault on the RedSwarm homeland. MC promised BoB that by this point, they would wrap-up operations in the north and D2 would be dead. By July, BoB would have established beachheads in Scalding Pass and Detorid, and MC could join them for the finishing touches in the following weeks. By the end of July all of Eve would be under BoB control and they could celebrate with some barbecue in Denmark. MC was on schedule. But BoB proved to be, well, a little sluggish. Even though Goonfleet was evacuating Teneferis and merely performing a fighting withdrawal to allow its people time to move, BoB couldn't conquer the region. Despite all of its invincible titans, POS-filled haulers and momentum from May, BoB failed miserably. Worse than being bogged down in a Goon quagmire was the fact that BoB was completely overshadowed by MC. BoB was no longer considered the best PvP alliance in Eve. A morale boost was in order. BoB declared war against Xelas, which had loyally fought for BoB against both ASCN and D2 and built BoB outposts. In response, Xelas cowered and caved like no alliance before. A few words from SirMolle destroyed their thousand-man alliance instantly. BoB basked in its victory, but it was bittersweet. Had BoB fallen so far that the only way to win was to backstab its own carebears? But things only got worse for BoB. Previously, a highly intelligent Goon analyst wrote a 15,000 word essay on why titans needed to be nerfed. Then disaster struck: CCP actually read the essay. After taking a patriotic Memorial Day holiday, CCP kicked Iceland into overdrive and created Revelations II. The effect of the titan nerf was immediate. Fleet battles could take place again. Goons could swarm again. And the Russians had been roused from their slumber and decided to take it to BoB. Within days of the nerf, a fleet of Goons had trapped SirMolle's own titan and began pummeling it to death. Red brought in dreads, doubling the size of the local capital fleet. And to the sound of a hundred howling Goons, SirMolle's pride and joy was destroyed. It was almost the end of June--nearly a year to the day since BoB had declared there would be no more Goons. And yet there they all were, beating BoB at its own game. The Goons were supposed to have been destroyed, banished from Eve forever. (cont.)
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.01 16:52:00 - [2] Instead, the Goons had outsmarted and destroyed the BoB fleet. The last thing SirMolle saw as his clone left the system was his own alliance's motherships running away in fear, allowing their leader be torn to bits by ravenous Goons. And in the days that followed, BoB continued to lose ground, retreating from the systems it had taken for granted would be BoB's forever. As the month of June ended, BoB's enemies were everywhere on the march. SirMolle's repeated pleas for help from the MC resulted in MC's premature move southward. The result was a loss of BoB prestige and influence in the north, which became increasingly a non-aligned third power of Eve--a region aware that BoB had its hands full and was in no position to dictate to them. BoB's morale sunk to its lowest point since SirMolle's rousing "everyone else is already dead" speech. BoB had lost everything: its momentum, its systems, its titan, its sense of purpose and, worst of all, its prestige in the Eve community. Outspoken BoB pilots demanded that its leadership admit their failures and change course. In searching for an expert on all issues CAO, I was privileged to speak to a guy with an upper-class British accent: "The destruction of the BoB titan was the battle of F-TE unfolding in reverse. Just as F-TE became a turning point in the war, the loss of Shrike's titan may serve as a counterpoint. It is notable that the destruction did not require engaging BoB in a full-scale fleet battle, and it is also notable that the goons contributed the majority of the fleet operations--including half of the capital firepower. "As you say, the howls. But they were not howls of anger, hunger, or even of satisfaction. They were howls without emotion or human consciousness, like the howls of a wolf who performs his task in the wilderness because it is his nature. The goon, Romulus and Remus ad infinitum, suckled on the teat of the she-wolf Remedial; these goons when still babes, almost strangled by BoB in their cradles; these goons when children, making a snack of Shrike's titan; these goons when full-grown, devour the world. "James, I wish to remind you that all successful entities are bonded by a unique glue. For Red Alliance, Russian; for TCF, French; for GoonSwarm, being goons. But pilots come to the Band of Brothers from all over for one reason: to win, every time. The purpose of BoB is to win an unbroken string of victories. To never persevere through loss or hardship, to never risk a real defeat. To play a game that, due to the advantages fair or no, they cannot lose. To ask the Band of Brothers pilot to place his assets at a real risk of destruction again and again is anathema. To ask a pilot of Evolution who has given all of his assets to SirMolle in exchange for the promise of victory to then part with guaranteed success would be like asking the goon to be civilized, or to ask the Russian pilot to speak Swahili. "Thus, for BoB, a loss is more than a mere deprivation of his lost assets for a time. When BoB loses a battle, it is nothing less than an identity crisis, for in that loss of a battle he loses his purpose and the reason for BoB's very existence. Were a power to rise such that BoB could not be guaranteed victory, BoB would slowly disappear. Those who placed all of their belongings in SirMolle's hands and who did not receive their certain victories would consider themselves cheated, the victims of Evolution." Wow, how profound! In the end, June was a complete disaster for BoB and a huge victory for its enemies (except arch-foe Xelas). And that, my friends, is an objective and well-researched conclusion with which we can all agree. - 315 ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Mad Mackem E X O D U S	Posted - 2007.07.01 16:56:00 - [3] End yourself
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 16:58:00 - [4] The whole MC southward part could use some actual research. -
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:02:00 - [5] Originally by: James 315 Some people say that I am biased against BoB, while others say I'm a BoB alt. Since I take heat from extremists on both sides, I'd say that puts me pretty squarely in the middle. Not a bad place to be when you're trying to craft an objective situation report. Eve community except you says " we couldnt give a rat's ass what a coward alt has to say or think" .
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Mad Mackem End yourself Don't normally hear me agreeing with IRON but got to here How's your war on BNCE going? lol
Drazhar Kain Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Vily The whole MC southward part could use some actual research. But why use research when you have pure speculation?
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:04:00 - [8] No, it was biased as hell but I did at least get a snicker out of this: In searching for an expert on all issues CAO, I was privileged to speak to a guy with an upper-class British accent:
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:07:00 - [9] Edited by: Comstr on 01/07/2007 17:07:47 An incisive and intelligent stratagic analysis. Though I don't think BoB has lost much yet, I do think they're going to try and get out of the goon-made quagmire and hit somewhere else. Problem will be, the goon's probably won't stay home (though I think RA will) even if BoB declares victory and goes somewhere else.
DeWieKat Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:12:00 - [10] Edited by: DeWieKat on 01/07/2007 17:12:07 interesting... added: and entertaining as well ;)
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:18:00 - [11] I look forward to the day CCP finally decides to ban trash alts from CAOD. Belt piracy isnt what it used to be.
Bren MacKay Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:27:00 - [12] Lol when you start off a post talking about how fair and unbiased you are its usually best to keep it fair and unbiased through the rest - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
McDan Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:31:00 - [13] In my unbiased opinion you are an idiot. The reason coalition members think you may be a bob alt is because you make them look bad. I don't think you are a bob alt, i just think you are stupid.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:31:00 - [14] I love every single one of your posts James, keep them coming ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
JabJabVVV Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:33:00 - [15] Well I have to confess after reading that I feel a bit of a fool: here was me thinking that this would be yet another bitter yet humorously ill informed alt post that failed completely to live up to it's title - how wrong I was... oh, wait. ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:35:00 - [16] Edited by: fire 59 on 01/07/2007 17:39:53 Edit - Why am i even bothering to reply to a troll Currently training forum ***** resistance L5
The Tumaril Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:37:00 - [17] Man! You are so right! BoB moral is horrible!! We've been reduced to mining veldspar in Delve and have cried ourselves to sleep everynight since 1 of our titans went down :( This OP inspires me to give up and declare Goons victorious. I shall be giving all of my belongings to RaSatan and quiting EvE on Monday. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected]
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:40:00 - [18] what? Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:41:00 - [19] oh ya and IBTL as this should be considered pure flame bait. so mods Clicky Clicky Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign.
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:43:00 - [20] Originally by: James 315 Emphasis on the 'objective' analysis. I realize that with any CAOD post there is the potential for propaganda and spin, but you won't find any of that in this thread (not in my posts, at least). __________
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:44:00 - [21] I'm back to stealing veld in yulai. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
Brolie Sarcastrophic Industries	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:46:00 - [22] Edited by: Brolie on 01/07/2007 17:45:49
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:49:00 - [23] the urge to flame is rising --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
AccessHollywood Inquiring Minds	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:53:00 - [24] I often read the editorials of other reporters to better my own skills. While I applaud the effort, i felt that the article leaned towards one side. I also struggled with your examples of an earth born creature like the wolf. Fortunately my education included the lesser beasts of this planet, but I fear that few of your readers would relate. Perhaps it would have worked best if using something commonly known as the Aridian Halzoes or the Jitian Marmelone's ghostly moans. Fewer personal views and more names of your sources would bolster your writings and might make it to page 3.
Roger Arko Geddonites	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:55:00 - [25] Hello Queen News. We missed you.
Homer Greyt H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:56:00 - [26] I'm surprised. ________ Let's dance!
Saidor The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.01 18:02:00 - [27] Lol - obviously its biased - its in the text. While I'll not comment on supposed facts, look at how the events are described. Facts may be real, for example battles won or lost, ships destroyed, people killed. But many of the descriptors are subjective - they show an clear bias ;-) I'll not be biased by suggestion a direction of the bias but merely draw the readers attention to the tricks used.
Takahashi Arran coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.01 18:11:00 - [28] 7/10 because you seems sincere
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 18:13:00 - [29] James, one of the best reads I have ever had at Eve, <claps> Well spoken. <surrenders BoB Fanboi belt to James>
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 18:19:00 - [30] DUDE!!..... ......wait what? --- truth about EVE: Originally by: Cpt Branko "Guns are fine, boost players"
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 18:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Homer Greyt Edited by: Homer Greyt on 01/07/2007 18:20:44 Edited by: Homer Greyt on 01/07/2007 18:18:29 I'm surprised. I believe i also thought you were BoB alt. I definately don't know if i was right then. You post is not BoB friendly, and makes them look not like champions they wanna be. Biased or not, you connected some dots i couldn't connect myself. So thank you. The failure to advance past 9-9 is a failure on BoB part indeed and undeniably so. All the other systems were given up by goons at RA's command. Taking those was not a challenge at all. And now BoB are even getting beaten back. It definately sucks for BoB and is a great motivation for the Coalition forces. I find it very amusing, if it is true, that BoB have to beg MC to come down and help. That the loss of a titan will overshadow their failed EVE-domination party. And that in fact and also very surprising to me, BoB are not able to win against the southern coalition. Time will show. But with every day that BoB fail to advance further into RA space the southern coalition gets even more strong and determined. Time to die BoB. You are not the best PVPers in game and thus you have outlived your purpose. I am terrible at history, but in 1948 i beliebe someone said something like that:" Russians cann not be taken by force." (I will go and look for some more substantial data.) Napoleon and Adolf H. tried it. It seems you are the next in line to fail, even with all your resourses. Have a nice day! That was fairly well written so i will respond in kind. This will be a very long war and we have pushed back the attackers from feyth back into omist, and then they fell back to, scalding pass? forgive me i cannot recall the name. 9-9 will probably change hands for awhile but in the grand scheme of things, the end result is all that matters. If it takes weeks/mths to break a well entrnched foe at the cost of gajillions of ships,caps and blood, then so be it. You guys used to use that philosphy if i recall, losses were irrelevant in the grand picture. ooyz was well entrnched and took alot of hard work to finally conquer but it was done, mainly coz of cap gank attempts and pos timers etc. On the flipside, goons and co were on the offensive against bob but now the fight is happening in there garden, not bobs. Tbh, until we lose alot more ground than the 1 station so far (xgh, 9-9 will ping pong for sure ) i'm not convinced as a bob grunt that we are being pushed back at all. I think after the initial fallback by goons giving up omist, it was always going to get harder and take longer the further into enemy territory you push. But it doesn't stop us trying and never will. As i said, this will be a very long war and anyone who thinks otherwise or sees oneside winning or losing at this point needs there headchecked Currently training forum ***** resistance L5
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:06:00 - [32] Liked your 1st paragraph about objectivity/neutrality, but it seems you dont know what this word means; well not yet tho. Objectivity/neutrality is not granted by an opening statement, but it has to be felt on your whole essay. You tried quite well this time, but failed as you were writing and writing and writing some more. Nice try, good luck for the next one.
Slayton Ford Vindicate and Deliverance ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:12:00 - [33] A good read, dunno how accurate, but still well written. You should have mentioned BoBs MS loss also. And anything that brings the BoB trolls out is always a nice to see. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:14:00 - [34] I applaud your obviously very objective post with no bias, speculation and trolling whatsoever.
Xrak Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:24:00 - [35] Im sorry you seem to be misplaced, the fiction section is that way ---> Sig stolen from Tekka. Evemail him for details about free sigs. <3
Johnny Rook Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:30:00 - [36] Originally by: James 315 objective you keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:50:00 - [37] Better luck next time! u gonna need it
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:00:00 - [38] Utter trash and poorly veiled attempt at trolling.
Snake Jankins Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:01:00 - [39] Hmm, you should maybe train your objectivity a bit. I doubt that you are a BoB member, nevertheless you pretend to know, what every BoB member was thinking in each moment and why they acted in this or the other way. Like: Originally by: James 315 The last thing SirMolle saw as his clone left the system was his own alliance's motherships running away in fear, allowing their leader be torn to bits by ravenous Goons. I'd rather think they noticed that the Titan is lost and tried to get the other capitals out, before they get trapped too. I mean, if it was my titan and noticed that death is unpreventable, I'd suggest that the other capitals like maybe an expensive mothership try to get out, because those get lost too. It's preventing further losses, not running away in fear. Originally by: James 315 BoB's morale sunk to its lowest point since SirMolle's rousing "everyone else is already dead" speech. BoB had lost everything: its momentum, its systems, its titan, its sense of purpose and, worst of all, its prestige in the Eve community. Outspoken BoB pilots demanded that its leadership admit their failures and change course. Same like above. It would only be objective, if you knew it for sure, but without insider information it's just your subjective view. You think it was that way. Objectivity doesn't work like that. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really.
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:03:00 - [40] It is a well written opinion based upon solid facts. The Bob squad should think twice before they scream bias as the OP clearly missed some great opertunities to interpret those facts and make Bob look far far worse. We should be holding this post up as an example of how one should be posting on CAOD. Don't try to derail it or flame it until it is locked instead try to encourage this kind of well written comment If everybody posted more like this there would be a lot of unemployed mods Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:07:00 - [41] The part about remedial breast feeding goons suggests you're a goon alt. Go get them BOB, they are mocking you on your own forum (CAOD).
Florio Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:11:00 - [42] Originally by: James 315 The purpose of BoB is to win an unbroken string of victories. To never persevere through loss or hardship, to never risk a real defeat. To play a game that, due to the advantages fair or no, they cannot lose. To ask the Band of Brothers pilot to place his assets at a real risk of destruction again and again is anathema. The problem for your diminishing and irrecoverably-tattered reputation is that anyone with a clear head who has fought against BoB knows that that is utter utter drivel. And all this is a bit like the start of the ASCN war when COAD was chortling that BoB had been halted in their tracks. Won't be long before there's another "What will we do when BoB wins EVE" post..... The real winner of June, of course, is desynch
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:13:00 - [43] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/07/2007 20:14:51 Well James, I have a saying. People should focus on what they do best. In your case, it is "PvP"ing in a multi-WCS stabbed up smartbomb battleship with a cloaking alt in case something dangerous appears. Im sure the community begs for your experiance -- Billion Isk Mission
Empero Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Lord WarATron Well James, I have a saying. People should focus on what they do best. In your case, it is "PvP"ing in a multi-stabbed up smartbomb battleship with a cloaking alt in case something dangerous appears. The problem is: He is also weak in doing that. I killed him. :-Q PS: Hi James! :-) Next time don't hide if the Empero enter the local. --
Kvarium Ki legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:20:00 - [45] That was a good read, interesting point of view. And you know, what's wrong with beeing biased anyway? Funny to see all these BoB posts, only one of them wasn't of the "STFU" type. Has BoB lost it's muse?
Aleatory Technology Acquisition Collective	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:21:00 - [46] This post makes me giggle at how "unbiased" it is. I think you need to re-evaluate your understanding of the word objective. Still, I havent seen a BoB forum troll turn out like this in quite a while, someone let the leash off huh?
Wulfgard Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:23:00 - [47] Gotta love seeing all these BOB posters scurying around for a way to flame or troll the OP. You better wake up D.Preacher for some serious damage control I enjoy your posts, keep them coming James...
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:28:00 - [48] I can't believe you posted this thread and honestly thought that by mixing some obvious facts with some exaggerations, speculation, and utter bull***** you could create an 'objective analysis without any propganda or spin.' What I'm interested in knowing is are you a rather stupid Coalition alt? a rather stupid anti-bobbit? or a bob-alt trying to be one of the former two. Either way please grow a pair before delivering you're next 'objective analysis' and POST WITH YOUR MAIN. Then an actual dissusion/debate might begin on the huge amount of inaccuracies in your post. Kthx. Angie Foxor : targets are lewt, just not yet in can form Hi
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:36:00 - [49] Hardly neutral, but this is no trolling or asking the guy to end himself. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. A lot of it is true even if exaggerated. Quote: And the Russians had been roused from their slumber and decided to take it to BoB. Within days of the nerf, a fleet of Goons had trapped SirMolle's own titan and began pummeling it to death. Red brought in dreads, doubling the size of the local capital fleet. And to the sound of a hundred howling Goons, SirMolle's pride and joy was destroyed... ..."As you say, the howls. But they were not howls of anger, hunger, or even of satisfaction. They were howls without emotion or human consciousness, like the howls of a wolf who performs his task in the wilderness because it is his nature..." Epic
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Wulfgard Gotta love seeing all these BOB posters scurying around for a way to flame or troll the OP. You better wake up D.Preacher for some serious damage control I enjoy your posts, keep them coming James... If i was you, i would be more concerned at how much you lot run away from fights just recently. Currently training forum ***** resistance L5
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:43:00 - [51] well, the more people reply to his topic the more important it will become (as from 0 it dont take much effort to go up the numbers). the best way to stop Alt-CAOD-Posters is to totaly ignore them to death. well, it's very easy with this alt-poster as he is anyway posting only ****. Goon propaganda, that will boost the morale of the Goonies. I like that, maybe it will make them get more fights in the future and not letting us 1 month do nothing else than take stations.
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:44:00 - [52] Got about 2/3 of the way through the first post James. . . It became painful clear that you're quite stupid and there was no need to read on. Congrats on taking up to a minute of my life from me. - - - - - - - - - -
Broska coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:44:00 - [53] Originally by: Wulfgard Gotta love seeing all these BOB posters scurying around for a way to flame or troll the OP. You better wake up D.Preacher for some serious damage control I enjoy your posts, keep them coming James... I don't think any damage control needs to be done. Anyone with half a brain can see that is one sided anti-bob hatered. Without having look at the big picture at all. The OP give's the impression that BoB is falling apart, blah blah blah. Somehow I don't think so. ------------------------------ Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
General Xerxes Delta Omega Iota Inc. Breidablik	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:55:00 - [54] I love how practically the second the news of Shrike's titan going down hit CAOD all the stuff about BoB taking over all of EVE evaporated and suddenly they are going to die again. The EVE community is fickle and, to be honest, rather stupid.
Homer Greyt H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.01 21:02:00 - [55] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Homer Greyt Edited by: Homer Greyt on 01/07/2007 18:20:44 Edited by: Homer Greyt on 01/07/2007 18:18:29 Edit: too long That was fairly well written so i will respond in kind. This will be a very long war and we have pushed back the attackers from feyth back into omist, and then they fell back to, scalding pass? forgive me i cannot recall the name. 9-9 will probably change hands for awhile but in the grand scheme of things, the end result is all that matters. If it takes weeks/mths to break a well entrnched foe at the cost of gajillions of ships,caps and blood, then so be it. You guys used to use that philosphy if i recall, losses were irrelevant in the grand picture. ooyz was well entrnched and took alot of hard work to finally conquer but it was done, mainly coz of cap gank attempts and pos timers etc. On the flipside, goons and co were on the offensive against bob but now the fight is happening in there garden, not bobs. Tbh, until we lose alot more ground than the 1 station so far (xgh, 9-9 will ping pong for sure ) i'm not convinced as a bob grunt that we are being pushed back at all. I think after the initial fallback by goons giving up omist, it was always going to get harder and take longer the further into enemy territory you push. But it doesn't stop us trying and never will. As i said, this will be a very long war and anyone who thinks otherwise or sees oneside winning or losing at this point needs there headchecked I don't see this war as something bad for me. So i don't actually want it to end. The problem i see is that you have to invest a lot more time and effort to win the POS war, but if you do that you will only overexert yourselves. As i understand it BoB login only if there is some gang assembling. So you are at your limit as it is already while Goonswarm and RA together have no primetime as such. When RA log in Goons are there already annoying you. When RA go to sleep after a long OP goons are still there, surely some different goons but still. And there is TCF who have 2 more hours before they go to sleep than RA. Everything you do, you do alone. Recharging and fueling POSes, repearing stations, hauling stuff. I don't know how you manage it all but you seem to be able to. So i have nothing but respect for that. Yet there is a limit to how long you can go on withought success. Sure it can be a very long war. And as long as you don't give up it might never end. I wonder if it is what you want. To be cought up in an unending POS war. You also have to keep in mind that POS war is what RA are best at. And with us they will even get to sleep, while you won't. Have fun! :) ________ Let's dance!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 21:05:00 - [56] That was quite entertaining, really. Almost purely fictional, but still entertaining. [YACAODI1MAC] is proving to be one of my favourite pointless alt corps --------
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.01 21:39:00 - [57] He forgot DB Preacher losing his mothership Otherwise entertaining read
nickycakes Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 21:53:00 - [58] I HAVE FAILED MISERABLY! TEACH ME HOW TO PVP MC, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! ---
Kyria Timeyu Pie Vendor	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:04:00 - [59] What's dragging BoB down is all the LV imports and other recent hirees they took on in desperation when 3/4 the Eve universe attacked them 2 months ago. You just need to read local after BoB has lost a fight, they smack worse than many lowsec pvpers.
Gloomrake Ono Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:21:00 - [60] Thread if full of nonsense. James315 stop making crap up and kill my corp.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:23:00 - [61] So, who are these BoB guys anyway?
Scarcus Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:24:00 - [62] If you want this nonsense to stop, ignore the posts. By replying to it, it inspires this alt to produce more of the same. Once NOL has been purged with cleansing fire, and all the vassals are put to the sword, I'm sure we'll have a lovely little cold war, your bloc and ours. Originally by: KIATolon Chowdown, if you use your t
Devian 666 Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:25:00 - [63] Originally by: General Xerxes I love how practically the second the news of Shrike's titan going down hit CAOD all the stuff about BoB taking over all of EVE evaporated and suddenly they are going to die again. The EVE community is fickle and, to be honest, rather stupid. Not entirely as this garbage posted in the CAOD forum has the highest concentration of idiots. If you look in the other forums it's not quite as bad. Summary is that supercapitals can be killed if you're organised, and because they are more realistically killable there will be super capital losses. Big deal pvp losses are a part of fighting and wars. It's actually a matter of it the losses are sustainable or if they are doing significant damage. Given the scale of the resources of the large alliances you need to kill more than just 1 titan and a mothership before anyone will be declaring an actual victory. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:32:00 - [64] furthermore,
ArmyOfMe Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:52:00 - [65] Originally by: LUKEC I'm back to stealing veld in yulai. Got room for one more in yulai
Krychton Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:56:00 - [66] Originally by: James 315 Emphasis on the 'objective' analysis. I realize that with any CAOD post there is the potential for propaganda and spin, but you won't find any of that in this thread (not in my posts, at least). Some people say that I am biased against BoB, while others say I'm a BoB alt. Since I take heat from extremists on both sides, I'd say that puts me pretty squarely in the middle. Not a bad place to be when you're trying to craft an objective situation report. Has anyone really accused you of being anything? Or are you just saying this to make yourself look more like a man of the "people". You are ultimately biased, you have an agenda and you have a goal. Because if you didn't, you wouldn't be wasting your time with this at all. ---- Krychton 065 If this is all a dream, don't wake me up.
Iasius Warp Angels	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:10:00 - [67] As the Russians would say being stupid is not curable. Though even idiots can string words together that have lots of syllables. This is great froth, white noise. Though like reading the popular press actually. Now doing real world politics is naughty. But the astute reader gets an idea of how to read between the lines of all the spin that keep the plebs happy and paying their taxes. So in that respect COAD provides spin news for the food chain of pets of the respective factions. Nothing is COAD is objective, its subjective. Everyone likes to take the moral high ground but its better to watch people who do it who don't post total dross. . Warp Angels - Acorns To Trees. Now Recruiting.
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:14:00 - [68] goons aren't like wolves they are like middle earth you see, (once you strip away the obvious trolling about BoB morale and whatnot, at least he got the actual ground situation right unlike most of the pro-BoB trolls)
Stolen Lotus The United Federation of Spice	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:23:00 - [69] Full red purple. Aromas of blackcurrant pastille, licorice, tobacco, dried herbs, mint and delicate spicy cedar vanilla oak. On the palate medium to full bodied with blackcurrant, tobacco, star anise, coffee and some gamey earthy flavours. Tight and compact with firm fine grained tannins and clean fresh acidity. Finishes dry and long with blackcurrant and tobacco flavours. One for the long haul, and one I am most certainly going to purchase for the cellar.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:23:00 - [70] lol got bored after reading a few sentences. Most of us avoid CAOD (moooodeeeration/childish swaaarrrmmmss) like the plague these days hence your not getting many battle reports. The War is going very well and im quite please to see that RA/TFC stepped it up a bit after last patch. :)
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:47:00 - [71] Gads this is funny, James you have un-leashed the whole of BoB forum whoop-ass. (I am soooo impressed, really I am )
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:55:00 - [72] Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well Thats some ASCN quality self-delusion there, well done.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:59:00 - [73] So, does this mean that EVE isn't doomed, and is now a good game after all?
Gralatus Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.02 00:32:00 - [74] I read the OP with interest. Obviously not unbiased, objective, etc. as many BoB have pointed out, but what propaganda is? You take a few grains of truth, mix in a liberal amount of speculation, add a pinch of lies, a sprinkle of untruths, and then hit the spin cycle. BoB of all people should realize the value of some good propaganda! The few grains of truth are interesting...I was particularly fascinated in the theory of the psychological "glue" that holds BoB together. BoB didn't have a good month though, but I'd expect a rebound more then likely. Interesting times ahead. g
Kirja Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.02 00:33:00 - [75] Nice attempt at forum propaganda. I am not in position to judge honesty of OP. But looking at BoB replies it did hurt feelings of some.
Dr Smythe Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 00:41:00 - [76] Nice read :) Bookmark this post and lets just see how July turns out. I feel a strong wind blowing in from the west
John McCloud The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.02 00:44:00 - [77] Thanx for an entertaining read james315. I know theres some truth to it and alot of spin. The fact that BOB and pets are frowning out of their mouth shouting "Idiot, flamebait, yadayada" is also very entertaining! ANYONE with half a brain would know that james315 never even attempted to be objective and the fact those idiots in BOB are frowning out of their collective mouths pointing out that he's not is just hilarious:D Anyways. Good read:D
Fedaykinn kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.07.02 00:48:00 - [78] Well I think he speaks the truth. I eman what has Bob really ahcheived in june? bugger all, whenever theyt ried to raid goonswarm space they were always pushed back, and there Titan going down and them loosing a mothership not so long ago aswell, things dont seem to be gonig BoBs way at the moment, Anyway let BoB have 0.0 ill take empire, then itll mean more people in lwos ec space and more people for us pirates to gank :D Yes I Typo, Does It Look Like I Care?
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.02 00:49:00 - [79] Superb read. Who knows if all of it is true or not (after all all myths have a basis of fact). It was very well written and fun to read, and judging by the posts BoB is making, may have hit a bit closer to home then they would have liked. If anything it was very entertaining to read. Who knows maybe james has it completely right (the flames coming from the accused side support this notion more than anything) but I had fun for 3 minutes reading it and that is all that matters to me. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:11:00 - [80] Originally by: Dr Smythe Nice read :) Bookmark this post and lets just see how July turns out. I feel a strong wind blowing in from the west What? You mean BoB is full of gas or has the wind up them?
Indomitus Rex Amarr H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:21:00 - [81] CAOD: Put some weak bait on the line and get 1,000 bites with little to no work. Can we go back to battle-reports? PUH-LEEEEEEEASE? Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:27:00 - [82] If bob want to win the war, they will want to start remembering to fuel frontline POS.
Cletus Graeme Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:29:00 - [83] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: Dr Smythe Nice read :) Bookmark this post and lets just see how July turns out. I feel a strong wind blowing in from the west What? You mean BoB is full of gas or has the wind up them? NOTIFY: [EvoL] SirMolle has just farted in your general direction Very entertaining OP. Thanks for a fun read
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:34:00 - [84] Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well and im quite please to see that RA/TFC stepped it up a bit after last patch. :) Yeah okay, if this is BoB's idea of a war going "very well" then you'll be out of titans and space before long. Also kinda funny how BoB thinks we'll just wait around while they take their time with several more months of impotent offensive. The idea that goons are getting "worn down" through all of this is pretty laughable. Most of us are itching to show you how a real offensive is done.
Lady Weaksauce	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:49:00 - [85] this is actually clever post see how many bobits answer in demeaning manor to this post im sure it had its effect to some of its readers and that means its purpose has been fulfilled
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:55:00 - [86] Aside from the obvious objections already voiced in this thread, I think the 'report' has to be applauded for its comedic value. That whole part about the BoB identity crisis and the goon she-wolf teat sucking left me laughing my ass off. ----
Rainbow Jesus Minmatar Grief Tactics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.07.02 02:30:00 - [87] If you weren't a piglet I would find you cute.
StarCommWraith Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 02:58:00 - [88] James315:Shut the ** up and quit posting **threads
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 03:02:00 - [89] Originally by: James 315 blah. blah. blah. It is clear you arent a BoB alt, and you are most likely not a RAGOON alt either, as you seem to know very little about the plans of either side. you claim to know "BoBs war plan" and you claim to know "RAGOONS war plan", in reality you dont know anything, not about their plans and not about how to fight epic wars. As they say James assumption is the mother of all F(! ups, and everything you wrote is pretty much an assumption. Either infiltrate the command of either or both organisations and start writing facts, or stop writing your incorrect assumptions that you like to pass off as facts. In short get a life and stop hiding behind your alts, post with your main, you have slipped up before and most people know which alliance your main belongs to anyway. Cheers CamMan Originally by:* Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 03:39:00 - [90] Originally by: Fry Fortune Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well Thats some ASCN quality self-delusion there, well done. Lets examine this. Remember what cyvok said then when bob failed to conquer ascn in the first month or two? Your lot is going down the same path aren't you? 9-9 is rather far from nol intit?
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.02 04:06:00 - [91] Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well and im quite please to see that RA/TFC stepped it up a bit after last patch. :) Yeah okay, if this is BoB's idea of a war going "very well" then you'll be out of titans and space before long. Also kinda funny how BoB thinks we'll just wait around while they take their time with several more months of impotent offensive. The idea that goons are getting "worn down" through all of this is pretty laughable. Most of us are itching to show you how a real offensive is done. Oh I forgot getting bogged down in Feyth for 3 months was all just a clever plan to let MC destroy your northen Allies so you and RA could have a fair fight against bob. Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign.
Aleatory Technology Acquisition Collective	Posted - 2007.07.02 04:35:00 - [92] Originally by: CamMan It is clear you arent a BoB alt, and you are most likely not a RAGOON alt either, as you seem to know very little about the plans of either side. Thats some assumption your making there ... Originally by: CamMan As they say James assumption is the mother of all F*(! ups, and everything you wrote is pretty much an assumption. I guess he gave you lessons on how to post huh?
Xeliya Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.02 05:05:00 - [93] Edited by: Xeliya on 02/07/2007 05:05:06 I wish the mods would actually enforce the 1 man alt corps rule, stuff like this is why these forums have degraded so much. Would be funny if CCP one day makes it so all your characters on that account show up under your avatar __________________
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 05:15:00 - [94] nothing makes COAD angry as much as your threads do, keep it up you beautiful bastard
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 06:00:00 - [95] Where you post, a hundred others have been. All of them with well-spoken and "objective" reports. Hammering on the points, facts, and truths in order to reshape reality into perception and share that perception with the rest of us. My only interest here isn't what you've said, but whether you believe it yourself. I don't expect nor want an answer.. but I know you have one. When you remove your hands from the keyboard to stop and breathe, some part of you is either shaking its head or crying out in laughter. The only thing you might ever admit to us, is that you're having terrible fun here. Notice how you're not being taken with absolute seriousness in this thread? People aren't new to this, and your forum history would suggest you aren't either. Hey guess what, we're all having fun James 315. Lets have some laughs together.. If our group of players; whose only true calling in EVE is to create intergalactic war has failed, despite the thousands of ships being destroyed on a monthly basis.. I question your definition of failure. I question whether you even know what game this is, and how its played. Failure in EVE is either complete annihilation (which your post proudly proclaims hasn't happened yet), or being coerced in to being someone's biatch. Otherwise, we all pay the same $15 and respawn an infinite number of times. So.. What does it say about an alliance that claims to play differently and have more fun than the rest of us, when they are coerced into playing EVE like everyone else? What does it say about that alliance when they've managed to attain astonishing new levels of hypocrisy, and taken the game to new extremes of seriousness never before achieved in the realm of western MMORPG gaming? Surely it must speak volumes of this alliance when their own kind thinks they're full of it, and condemns them in the must public and humiliating ways possible? Or when their leader retreats from the arena behind a veil of words like every other failed megalomaniac in the history of EVE? I don't know James 315, I could even go on and talk about more tangible things you'd understand. Like playing the conquest game and setting up "free" trade zones. Having capital programs, bandwagons, and all the crappy nuances associated with politics and 0.0 life. Stuff like that. But more to the point I will simply compare this alliance's current affliction to nothing more than Stockholm Syndrome. A psychological condition that lets victims identify with their aggressors. A survival mechanism for people who try to understand when bad things happen to them. The result of being bent over repeatedly and used for the entertainment of others. Doing all that would require naming this alliance, and risk associating them to an ideal that died last September. I wouldn't feel right in helping people go on pretending, even if you are. Besides.. I already have a good feeling that anyone reading this comedic paraphrasing of one alliance's existence knows exactly who I'm talking about. Ah hell, can't resist.. There are no goons, just an alliance called GoonSwarm. Say hi to all your predecessors for me James 315, I miss every one of them. Looking forward to seeing what crazy new characters come preaching here next year.
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 06:19:00 - [96] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well and im quite please to see that RA/TFC stepped it up a bit after last patch. :) Yeah okay, if this is BoB's idea of a war going "very well" then you'll be out of titans and space before long. Also kinda funny how BoB thinks we'll just wait around while they take their time with several more months of impotent offensive. The idea that goons are getting "worn down" through all of this is pretty laughable. Most of us are itching to show you how a real offensive is done. Oh I forgot getting bogged down in Feyth for 3 months was all just a clever plan to let MC destroy your northen Allies so you and RA could have a fair fight against bob. We attacked Feyth for like a week so I don't know where your 3 month figure is coming from. Also, having to deal with 4 invincible titans doomsdaying around the clock made things a little difficult for us. It's also worth mentioning that BoB has only taken southern space through POS spam, something which was also nerfed.
Moriev GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 06:29:00 - [97] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Where you post, a hundred others have been. All of them with well-spoken and "objective" reports. Hammering on the points, facts, and truths in order to reshape reality into perception and share that perception with the rest of us. My only interest here isn't what you've said, but whether you believe it yourself. I don't expect nor want an answer.. but I know you have one. When you remove your hands from the keyboard to stop and breathe, some part of you is either shaking its head or crying out in laughter. The only thing you might ever admit to us, is that you're having terrible fun here. Notice how you're not being taken with absolute seriousness in this thread? People aren't new to this, and your forum history would suggest you aren't either. Hey guess what, we're all having fun James 315. Lets have some laughs together.. If our group of players; whose only true calling in EVE is to create intergalactic war has failed, despite the thousands of ships being destroyed on a monthly basis.. I question your definition of failure. I question whether you even know what game this is, and how its played. Failure in EVE is either complete annihilation (which your post proudly proclaims hasn't happened yet), or being coerced in to being someone's biatch. Otherwise, we all pay the same $15 and respawn an infinite number of times. So.. What does it say about an alliance that claims to play differently and have more fun than the rest of us, when they are coerced into playing EVE like everyone else? What does it say about that alliance when they've managed to attain astonishing new levels of hypocrisy, and taken the game to new extremes of seriousness never before achieved in the realm of western MMORPG gaming? Surely it must speak volumes of this alliance when their own kind thinks they're full of it, and condemns them in the must public and humiliating ways possible? Or when their leader retreats from the arena behind a veil of words like every other failed megalomaniac in the history of EVE? I don't know James 315, I could even go on and talk about more tangible things you'd understand. Like playing the conquest game and setting up "free" trade zones. Having capital programs, bandwagons, and all the crappy nuances associated with politics and 0.0 life. Stuff like that. But more to the point I will simply compare this alliance's current affliction to nothing more than Stockholm Syndrome. A psychological condition that lets victims identify with their aggressors. A survival mechanism for people who try to understand when bad things happen to them. The result of being bent over repeatedly and used for the entertainment of others. Doing all that would require naming this alliance, and risk associating them to an ideal that died last September. I wouldn't feel right in helping people go on pretending, even if you are. Besides.. I already have a good feeling that anyone reading this comedic paraphrasing of one alliance's existence knows exactly who I'm talking about. Ah hell, can't resist.. There are no goons, just an alliance called GoonSwarm. Say hi to all your predecessors for me James 315, I miss every one of them. Looking forward to seeing what crazy new characters come preaching here next year. tl;dr Best regards, Moriev
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 06:36:00 - [98] Edited by: Herculite on 02/07/2007 06:35:22 You know I didn't read the op but based on a couple of comments I did read I'll assume that because BoB has been holding in 9-9 a while that means we are in a 'quagmire' blah blah blah. Never mind we took Omist basically over night, NOW its a quagmire. I guess we are just suppose to rush in, expose our flanks, and somehow this would prove we were winning or something to some people who don't really matter Edit: Of course I left the front lines, James is coming for my corp!
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 06:43:00 - [99] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal If our group of players; whose only true calling in EVE is to create intergalactic war has failed, despite the thousands of ships being destroyed on a monthly basis.. I question your definition of failure. I question whether you even know what game this is, and how its played. Failure in EVE is either complete annihilation (which your post proudly proclaims hasn't happened yet), or being coerced in to being someone's biatch. Otherwise, we all pay the same $15 and respawn an infinite number of times. So.. One could define failure as not achieving your defined goals...repeatedly. You can't go back and rewrite those goals now so that you appear successful. Is this the rough draft of dbp's victory thread? "Well, we succeeded in having fun pew pewing like we set out to do, now it's time to go home. But we still control your game! No goons!". Quote: What does it say about an alliance that claims to play differently and have more fun than the rest of us, when they are coerced into playing EVE like everyone else? What does it say about that alliance when they've managed to attain astonishing new levels of hypocrisy, and taken the game to new extremes of seriousness never before achieved in the realm of western MMORPG gaming? I don't know how much fun it is to play eve with BoB, but I've played games where I felt pressured by others to log on and play a certain amount of time and it sucks. I seriously don't understand why you guys choose to subject yourselves to that. When you've committed yourself to a game like that, the failures mean so much more. It's also probably the reason why you just wrote a novel length reply to explain just how little of effect the OP had on you. Quote: Or when their leader retreats from the arena behind a veil of words like every other failed megalomaniac in the history of EVE? Blacklight? Quote: :words: There are no goons, just an alliance called GoonSwarm. Say hi to all your predecessors for me James 315, I miss every one of them. Looking forward to seeing what crazy new characters come preaching here next year. Oh yeah, the old condescending "We've done this a million times before" post from BoB. Losing a ceo, nearly 100b in supercaps, pos's, double digit dreads/carriers. Yeah goonswarm, we've got you right where we want you.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:20:00 - [100] Originally by: Moriev tl;dr Best regards, Moriev YCS Best regards, Arenis Xemdal
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:22:00 - [101] Three weeks on holiday and people go from the OMG bob is wining eve posts to OMG BOB is losing. You have to love COAD "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
weixing United Freedom Federation	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:25:00 - [102] Originally by: Vily The whole MC southward part could use some actual research. Yeah get it right James, MC are up north mining and npc'n while all the regions they helped take come crashing down around them.
With JudgeReinhold Gallente Legal Team	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:26:00 - [103] Originally by: The Dokter Three weeks on holiday and people go from the OMG bob is wining eve posts to OMG BOB is losing. You have to love COAD To quote a goon axiom, we're winning we're losing we're winning we're losing we're winning we're losing I quit
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:29:00 - [104] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 02/07/2007 07:28:56 Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well and im quite please to see that RA/TFC stepped it up a bit after last patch. :) Yeah okay, if this is BoB's idea of a war going "very well" then you'll be out of titans and space before long. Also kinda funny how BoB thinks we'll just wait around while they take their time with several more months of impotent offensive. The idea that goons are getting "worn down" through all of this is pretty laughable. Most of us are itching to show you how a real offensive is done. Shouldn't you be in NOL by now? Wars do not have objectives. War IS the objective! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Devian 666 Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:46:00 - [105] Edited by: Devian 666 on 02/07/2007 07:46:01 Edited by: Devian 666 on 02/07/2007 07:45:35 Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 02/07/2007 05:05:06 Would be funny if CCP one day makes it so all your characters on that account show up under your avatar It would read as follows James 315 Sir Molle Snip - Please don't troll. -Ivan K I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Toffles Most of us are itching to show you how a real offensive is done. Bookmarked for (possible) future reference.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:55:00 - [107] Originally by: Xeliya Would be funny if CCP one day makes it so all your characters on that account show up under your avatar Now THAT would definitely be cool My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:11:00 - [108] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Xeliya Would be funny if CCP one day makes it so all your characters on that account show up under your avatar Now THAT would definitely be cool Yes, I would love to know who of you is Alice Cholmondelay ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Schlieren Altiprlayle GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:34:00 - [109] im pretty hungry but most everything is closed this late im thinkin about getting some ramen from the neighborhood liquor store i guess ____________________________ stop posting
Jonny 101 The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:35:00 - [110] Social engineering in the shape of propaganda, well made but too zealous, you can cut the spin and bs with a butter knife. ------------------------------------------------ crash003 > 400k more lp and ill have a navy mega TheJacko > 400k lol TheJacko > ineed 250k The hidden face of turby
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:51:00 - [111] Edited by: Redbad on 02/07/2007 08:50:37 As Plato (greek philosopher) would say ... nice Allegory of the Cave! RB join us today!
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:53:00 - [112] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 02/07/2007 07:28:56 Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well and im quite please to see that RA/TFC stepped it up a bit after last patch. :) Yeah okay, if this is BoB's idea of a war going "very well" then you'll be out of titans and space before long. Also kinda funny how BoB thinks we'll just wait around while they take their time with several more months of impotent offensive. The idea that goons are getting "worn down" through all of this is pretty laughable. Most of us are itching to show you how a real offensive is done. Shouldn't you be in NOL by now? Wars do not have objectives. War IS the objective! Actually the objective was to be remove goonfleet entirely from 0.0. That was a year ago. You've failed.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:56:00 - [113] Edited by: fire 59 on 02/07/2007 09:55:14 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 02/07/2007 07:28:56 Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well and im quite please to see that RA/TFC stepped it up a bit after last patch. :) Yeah okay, if this is BoB's idea of a war going "very well" then you'll be out of titans and space before long. Also kinda funny how BoB thinks we'll just wait around while they take their time with several more months of impotent offensive. The idea that goons are getting "worn down" through all of this is pretty laughable. Most of us are itching to show you how a real offensive is done. Shouldn't you be in NOL by now? Wars do not have objectives. War IS the objective! Actually the objective was to be remove goonfleet entirely from 0.0. That was a year ago. You've failed. You were removed if i recall, ran from syndicate to empire and then run to the other side of the universe to the reds . Also, note that you werent going to be allowed to build up again and look were we are, your -1 region and your attack ground to an utter halt . See you in nol you say. Failed Currently training forum ***** resistance L5
Karim alRashid Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:07:00 - [114] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal There are no goons, just an alliance called GoonSwarm. Achieving objectives by term redefinition.
StarCommWraith Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:08:00 - [115] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal There are no goons I'm still here baby.
Johnny Rook Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:18:00 - [116] Originally by: StarCommWraith Originally by: Arenis Xemdal There are no goons I'm still here baby. not if i don't believe in you hard enough Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
MortyM Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:22:00 - [117] Gee, just a week ago there were a million threads about us controlling all of 0.0 and now we are dieing already ? I for one have to admit that I like these BoB will die whines more, more fun to prove people wrong then to prove them right
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:56:00 - [118] Edited by: Tecam Hund on 02/07/2007 10:55:02 Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 02/07/2007 05:05:06 I wish the mods would actually enforce the 1 man alt corps rule, stuff like this is why these forums have degraded so much. Actually no. If anything caused these forums to degrade it is pointless replies along the lines of "tl:dr", commenting without reading the post, and finally replying off topic. Too many people choose to flame each other instead of engaging in an argument, and since corpless alts have been banned it's the official characters who do that.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:03:00 - [119] Originally by: fire 59 You were removed if i recall, ran from syndicate to empire and then run to the other side of the universe to the reds . Also, note that you werent going to be allowed to build up again and look were we are, your -1 region and your attack ground to an utter halt . See you in nol you say. Failed There are no goons you say. Failed We're -1 region, you're -1 titan. Not bad considering we dont exist. Our objective is to stay alive, yours is to completely eliminate gf. I think we're doing far better than you at achieving it ;)
Ruyiwei Collective of the 4 Elements	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:03:00 - [120] Originally by: The Dokter Three weeks on holiday and people go from the OMG bob is wining eve posts to OMG BOB is losing. You have to love COAD who needs station pingpong? coad pingpong ftw xD
Drutt Warsong Absolute Wrath Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:36:00 - [121] Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 02/07/2007 11:47:16 Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 02/07/2007 11:35:52 well I didnt read every page of this but i read enough to want to put my two cents in here. first of all june wasnt a bad month for BoB at all in fact june will turn out to be the very best thing that could have happened to them. why you ask ? well because any orginisation of people that have had the success that BoB has had tends to become over confident and arrogent. June however brought just enough defeats and losses to break this shell of over confidence without doing enough damage to cripple them. Being allied with them I can say that they took these losses without any moaning or crying and instead they started to look for ways to improve. No excuses, no placing blame, just pretty much "ok what do we need to do to turn this around". Thats the difference between winners and losers, winners know when they have been beat fairly and admit it to themselfs, losers however look for excuses and whine and cry and try to blame everyone and everything else. No june wasnt bad for BoB and the Allies it was the EYE opener everyone needed and we will learn from it and the future will show the difference. /salute
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:54:00 - [122] Originally by: Drutt Warsong Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 02/07/2007 11:47:16 Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 02/07/2007 11:35:52 well I didnt read every page of this but i read enough to want to put my two cents in here. first of all june wasnt a bad month for BoB at all in fact june will turn out to be the very best thing that could have happened to them. why you ask ? well because any orginisation of people that have had the success that BoB has had tends to become over confident and arrogent. June however brought just enough defeats and losses to break this shell of over confidence without doing enough damage to cripple them. Being allied with them I can say that they took these losses without any moaning or crying and instead they started to look for ways to improve. No excuses, no placing blame, just pretty much "ok what do we need to do to turn this around". Thats the difference between winners and losers, winners know when they have been beat fairly and admit it to themselfs, losers however look for excuses and whine and cry and try to blame everyone and everything else. No june wasnt bad for BoB and the Allies it was the EYE opener everyone needed and we will learn from it and the future will show the difference. /salute So who to believe? The bob pet who says BOB took defeats in June that make them have to change the way they play, or the bob forum warriors who are desperately saying that a fight where they lose is the one they've been trying for all along and by definition that means they are winning? As Kiatolon pointed out, our job is to survive, and inty gank squads aren't going to stop us surviving, sorry boys.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:07:00 - [123] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: fire 59 You were removed if i recall, ran from syndicate to empire and then run to the other side of the universe to the reds . Also, note that you werent going to be allowed to build up again and look were we are, your -1 region and your attack ground to an utter halt . See you in nol you say. Failed There are no goons you say. Failed We're -1 region, you're -1 titan. Not bad considering we dont exist. Our objective is to stay alive, yours is to completely eliminate gf. I think we're doing far better than you at achieving it ;) Trading 1 ship for a region, sure. I seem to recall you lot gloating and bragging at the height of the bandwagon how you would be the end of bob (can't be assed to dig it up), now when you fall back it suddenly changes to we just wanted to survive? after all that see you in nol, death to bob fofofof haw haw stuff? YOU, assaulted us, got an absolute beating in f-t , pushed out of feyth ( which was under assault by alot of others as well)and a little while ago a huge capital slugfest where your attempted gank ended in an extremely bloody fight that we won in 9-9, pulled out of omist completely and had almost no activity. Are little forum mini war was fun but i'll leave it at that. See you in space Currently training forum ***** resistance L5
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:43:00 - [124] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: fire 59 You were removed if i recall, ran from syndicate to empire and then run to the other side of the universe to the reds . Also, note that you werent going to be allowed to build up again and look were we are, your -1 region and your attack ground to an utter halt . See you in nol you say. Failed There are no goons you say. Failed We're -1 region, you're -1 titan. Not bad considering we dont exist. Our objective is to stay alive, yours is to completely eliminate gf. I think we're doing far better than you at achieving it ;) Trading 1 ship for a region, sure. I seem to recall you lot gloating and bragging at the height of the bandwagon how you would be the end of bob (can't be assed to dig it up), now when you fall back it suddenly changes to we just wanted to survive? after all that see you in nol, death to bob fofofof haw haw stuff? YOU, assaulted us, got an absolute beating in f-t , pushed out of feyth ( which was under assault by alot of others as well)and a little while ago a huge capital slugfest where your attempted gank ended in an extremely bloody fight that we won in 9-9, pulled out of omist completely and had almost no activity. Are little forum mini war was fun but i'll leave it at that. See you in space And despite that, goons are going from strength to strength and are looking not looking like they're ready to roll over any time soon.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:04:00 - [125] so with both sides beating their chest , the emerging situation in the north is the thing to watch now. Noticed there are some pro anti bob forces starting to amass in outer ring ( we know an attack thro fountain is suicide every time but co ordinated 2 prong assualts thro aridia and outer ring at once mgiht be in order - at first hitting hostile ships mostly hit when bob is buys down south. Might buy just enough of a distraction to assist the russians etc
MortyM Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:33:00 - [126] Originally by: KIATolon And despite that, goons are going from strength to strength and are looking not looking like they're ready to roll over any time soon. I find it funny how all the whines/trolls/flames went from "See you in NOL" and "Train have no breaks" to "You haven't killed us yet!"
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:45:00 - [127] Originally by: James 315 In the days when BoB won wars, we were usually treated to a Sunday report by someone of high rank in the BoB organization. Those days may be past, but as in all things, YACAODI1MAC steps forward to fill the void........ In the words of chandler bing, could you be anymore up goonfleets ass? _______________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:53:00 - [128] Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 02/07/2007 13:55:30 I'm starting to think KillBoards for the forums might be necessary. There are plenty of people who are clearly unwilling to engage in the game, but are perfectly happy to come to the forums for a little PvP action. The only thing interesting about this thread is how James has single-handedly managed to slide the CAOD Overton window from one absurd distortion of reality to another one, pretty much over night. This isn't a particularly clever post. Although, I still give props to James for knowing what the Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere was and referencing it in another thread, even if it's use was really quite inappropriate. This thread is clearly a troll, nothing more. It's impressive how many people he's manage to suck into it though. For that, I give him a glorious 6/6 (forum trolling, just like Ice Dancing, should only ever be ranked out of 6) I look forward to the Contract Report for his campaign against BCN.E tomorrow. ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"' Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:11:00 - [129] Edited by: KIATolon on 02/07/2007 14:10:58 Originally by: MortyM Originally by: KIATolon And despite that, goons are going from strength to strength and are looking not looking like they're ready to roll over any time soon. I find it funny how all the whines/trolls/flames went from "See you in NOL" and "Train have no breaks" to "You haven't killed us yet!" sighs We said see you in NOL and you abandoned LV to die whilst heading back there and we indeed had no breaks during that time. I never thought that BoB would be a walk over. However your strategic overview of this war is not working out, as the POS's that went offline and the struggle you're having to kill any POS is demonstrating. Sure you win more fleet fights, but LV never lost a fleet fight apparently, and see how that worked out for them.
CEO Pyrex DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:20:00 - [130] Great post from James (ok i guess you can say its one sided) Kudos to bob for a highly entertaining war all round, the honourable way molle took the titan loss showed how willing bob corps are to forgoe their own needs and put their leader back into a titan immediately. very impressive. Not many corps would accept their loss of their turn to get into a titan and give away multiple billions to keep molle in one. Gentlemen, to war! May the best bee win.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:22:00 - [131] Originally by: KIATolon Edited by: KIATolon on 02/07/2007 14:10:58 Originally by: MortyM Originally by: KIATolon And despite that, goons are going from strength to strength and are looking not looking like they're ready to roll over any time soon. I find it funny how all the whines/trolls/flames went from "See you in NOL" and "Train have no breaks" to "You haven't killed us yet!" sighs We said see you in NOL and you abandoned LV to die whilst heading back there and we indeed had no breaks during that time. I never thought that BoB would be a walk over. However your strategic overview of this war is not working out, as the POS's that went offline and the struggle you're having to kill any POS is demonstrating. Sure you win more fleet fights, but LV never lost a fleet fight apparently, and see how that worked out for them. U Sure Did change alot. wonder what went wrong!
BirdBleed 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:36:00 - [132] Edited by: BirdBleed on 02/07/2007 14:35:38 wow .... if what the op says is true ... looks like bob's days are numbered on a more serious note, without bob which alliance would eve love to hate ? before it was CA now its BOB ... i wonder who next :D my moneys on goonswarm lol
stephane devaulx Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:58:00 - [133] just want one thing : lot of fights, no lag, no desync :;o
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:14:00 - [134] Oh the horror!! We are failing!! Really, please. This is the calm before the storm. ..i..
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:29:00 - [135] Originally by: fire 59 Edited by: fire 59 on 02/07/2007 09:55:14 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 02/07/2007 07:28:56 Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Kryztal The War is going very well and im quite please to see that RA/TFC stepped it up a bit after last patch. :) Yeah okay, if this is BoB's idea of a war going "very well" then you'll be out of titans and space before long. Also kinda funny how BoB thinks we'll just wait around while they take their time with several more months of impotent offensive. The idea that goons are getting "worn down" through all of this is pretty laughable. Most of us are itching to show you how a real offensive is done. Shouldn't you be in NOL by now? Wars do not have objectives. War IS the objective! Actually the objective was to be remove goonfleet entirely from 0.0. That was a year ago. You've failed. You were removed if i recall, ran from syndicate to empire and then run to the other side of the universe to the reds . Also, note that you werent going to be allowed to build up again and look were we are, your -1 region and your attack ground to an utter halt . See you in nol you say. Failed You recall incorrectly because we lived in syndicate for at least a month after you left. Also, there's a slight difference between some optimistic coalition grunts saying "see you in nol" and the top BoB leaders creating threads about what their alliance will accomplish. This is at least the third time you've publicly announced your intention to remove or beat goons in some way and it's looking like you're gonna to fail yet again.
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:33:00 - [136] Originally by: MortyM Gee, just a week ago there were a million threads about us controlling all of 0.0 and now we are dieing already ? I for one have to admit that I like these BoB will die whines more, more fun to prove people wrong then to prove them right You are not dieing, you just smell funny
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:43:00 - [137] Originally by: stephane devaulx just want one thing : lot of fights, no lag, no desync :;o Hey, you're in a system (well, thread in this case....) with BoB people.... Shouldn't you be loggin' off? My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:10:00 - [138] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: stephane devaulx just want one thing : lot of fights, no lag, no desync :;o Hey, you're in a system (well, thread in this case....) with BoB people.... Shouldn't you be loggin' off? ive seen bob's log off to save their pods, so dont be a hippocrite
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:16:00 - [139] Originally by: Sir JoJo U Sure Did change alot. wonder what went wrong! I guess smacking a lot less would be seen as something going wrong by a bob member.
Gloomrake Ono Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:20:00 - [140] Originally by: Angeles Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: stephane devaulx just want one thing : lot of fights, no lag, no desync :;o Hey, you're in a system (well, thread in this case....) with BoB people.... Shouldn't you be loggin' off? ive seen bob's log off to save their pods, so dont be a hippocrite Entire fleets at equal odds... Not quite the same thing really now is it?
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:29:00 - [141] And i've seen entire bob fleets log off to get out of a bubble, pre-patch. Y9G ;)
AnxietyAttack Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:47:00 - [142] Originally by: KIATolon And i've seen entire bob fleets log off to get out of a bubble, pre-patch. Y9G ;) Now why would you tell a lie like that. Care to name the system and rough date so it can be checked up on ?
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:06:00 - [143] Edited by: Toffles on 02/07/2007 17:12:49 Originally by: AnxietyAttack Originally by: KIATolon And i've seen entire bob fleets log off to get out of a bubble, pre-patch. Y9G ;) Now why would you tell a lie like that. Care to name the system and rough date so it can be checked up on ? September 23rd 2006. y9g, and utks. edit: I wasn't there but everyone said BoB jumped into our bubble camp and ctrl-q'd to get snipers into the system
AnxietyAttack Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:16:00 - [144] Edited by: AnxietyAttack on 02/07/2007 17:16:16 Originally by: Toffles Originally by: AnxietyAttack Originally by: KIATolon And i've seen entire bob fleets log off to get out of a bubble, pre-patch. Y9G ;) Now why would you tell a lie like that. Care to name the system and rough date so it can be checked up on ? September 23rd 2006. y9g, and utks. In syndicate aye. I was there for that whole campaign and we were never ever ordered to log off to get out of bubbles. We never have been and probably never will be so your comments are probably aimed at a handful of disconnects or something. Edit - i can't rememebr how laggy it was back then personally, think it was less than now
Pantalones Piscado Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:26:00 - [145] Not enough Razor/MM loving in that post imho tbqh Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
X0TPO534 Old School Players	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:31:00 - [146] What I love with idiocy is that more you dig, more you find champions, it never ends. ________________________________________________ Killing **** since 2K3.
Khavi Vetali Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:58:00 - [147] Objectivity? That's a laugh. Quote: Tyger! Tyger! burning bright; In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye; Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:57:00 - [148] /me reads some comments HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA man my abs are hurting now. Considering laughter is half the health you just prolonged my life for the time it took me to write this post ;) No loss for meh Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:57:00 - [149] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Wulfgard Gotta love seeing all these BOB posters scurying around for a way to flame or troll the OP. You better wake up D.Preacher for some serious damage control I enjoy your posts, keep them coming James... If i was you, i would be more concerned at how much you lot run away from fights just recently. You guys run away equally as much. Dont lie to the public. Good FC's know when the advantage is theors or not, and if it isnt, you leave. An the other hand, I would like to send a message to MC. Thanks? I shake you warmly by the hand? I dont know what you all are up to, but whatever it is, it isnt in 9-9 or XGH, so party on! On a side note, I would like to draw a comparison between how nasty the BoB posts are in this thread, tyring to dispute well known FACT. BoB is getting one hell of a fight, and getting pushed around as well. But what does the BoB poster say when the post is about how "There are no Goons" or "Goons go hide in Scalding Pass" posts? Usually, is something along the lines of "STFU, Goon whiner. Go start another threadnaught" or some other ridiculous drivel. I would comment on how funny your hipocracy is, but its not funny. Its pathetic. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:19:00 - [150] Originally by: vipeer /me reads some comments HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA man my abs are hurting now. Considering laughter is half the health you just prolonged my life for the time it took me to write this post ;) No loss for meh Thanks for breaking the thread! Please edit it! =( As far as the OP's post, entertaining =) ---Sig--- *WARNING* Do not look at my portrait for more then two seconds or it will jump out at you and kill you DEAD! Done :) -Ivan K
Ruyiwei Collective of the 4 Elements	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:40:00 - [151] well behind all the flame there is a bit truth on both sides.... but fact is this war is far from over ... there just comes the question to me.... what will mc do? do BoB give them another contract and proof that all their "antiflame-flame" is nonesense since they dont see hope to do it alone or will they try to show their so called "omnipotence" again? or do even RaGoon pay mc ;)? or will mc stay "free" and be the impartial mercenarys they claim to be?
Chuck Dawg Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 07:11:00 - [152] I wouldn't count BoB out yet. You can't take such a dedicated group of people and say that such a small, yes small compared to everything that has happened, turn of events will completely stop their war machine. BoB has more assets than any person out side of BoB higher ups could imagine. On top of that they have a loyal friend in MC. If RA and Goons can continue to inflict hard losses on BoB, such as more Titans or large numbers of capitals, then I think it'd hurt their moral. When you lose the will to fight it doesn't matter how hefty your assets are. And like the OP said, they're there to win and are accustomed to winning.
Homer Greyt H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:15:00 - [153] Originally by: Chuck Dawg I wouldn't count BoB out yet. You can't take such a dedicated group of people and say that such a small, yes small compared to everything that has happened, turn of events will completely stop their war machine. BoB has more assets than any person out side of BoB higher ups could imagine. On top of that they have a loyal friend in MC. If RA and Goons can continue to inflict hard losses on BoB, such as more Titans or large numbers of capitals, then I think it'd hurt their moral. When you lose the will to fight it doesn't matter how hefty your assets are. And like the OP said, they're there to win and are accustomed to winning. Even though many other corps behave like wannabe RA and cry out that they are not dead even though they are.(like LV for example) Some alliances aren't built on ingame content like being in one region like D2, or having one master BoB like Xelas had. Some have their connection outside the game. I don't know if it is true for BoB or MC but it is true for most of the Goonswarm as well as RA of course. If BoBs party boosts their friendship then who knows, they might even push forward. No matter what other people say this war started when BoB declared war on Ragoon saying something like that:"Chowdown, we are comming to steal your targets." Chowdown symbolising LV at that time. Right now we fight in 9-9 again. Mostly because BoB do not actually attack us anymore. Some local smacking 25 man gang camping 77, when no one is around, withstanding. So to actually get into fight we are the ones who have to go out and look for BoB. Hm what do we call RA, Goons and TCF in one word? Federetion, the 3 musketiers or the holy trinity? :) Even though they do represent the main coalition force, they are not the whole of the coalition fighting agains BoB right now. Aww ok it will remain "Ragoon and TCF". So Ragoon and TCF were attacking POSes in 9-9 yesterday and in 1,5 days those will come out of reinforce. If BoB won't assemble a fleet to defend those then the only other explanation other than BoB being too tired of fighting would be the desynch bug wich has stopped fleetfights around the main frontier right now. Until the right time comes lets just pray for CCP to fix that bug. ________ Let's dance!
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:15:00 - [154] Edited by: fire 59 on 03/07/2007 09:15:19 Originally by: Homer Greyt Originally by: Chuck Dawg I wouldn't count BoB out yet. You can't take such a dedicated group of people and say that such a small, yes small compared to everything that has happened, turn of events will completely stop their war machine. BoB has more assets than any person out side of BoB higher ups could imagine. On top of that they have a loyal friend in MC. If RA and Goons can continue to inflict hard losses on BoB, such as more Titans or large numbers of capitals, then I think it'd hurt their moral. When you lose the will to fight it doesn't matter how hefty your assets are. And like the OP said, they're there to win and are accustomed to winning. Even though many other corps behave like wannabe RA and cry out that they are not dead even though they are.(like LV for example) Some alliances aren't built on ingame content like being in one region like D2, or having one master BoB like Xelas had. Some have their connection outside the game. I don't know if it is true for BoB or MC but it is true for most of the Goonswarm as well as RA of course. If BoBs party boosts their friendship then who knows, they might even push forward. No matter what other people say this war started when BoB declared war on Ragoon saying something like that:"Chowdown, we are comming to steal your targets." Chowdown symbolising LV at that time. Right now we fight in 9-9 again. Mostly because BoB do not actually attack us anymore. Some local smacking 25 man gang camping 77, when no one is around, withstanding. So to actually get into fight we are the ones who have to go out and look for BoB. Hm what do we call RA, Goons and TCF in one word? Federetion, the 3 musketiers or the holy trinity? :) Even though they do represent the main coalition force, they are not the whole of the coalition fighting agains BoB right now. Aww ok it will remain "Ragoon and TCF". So Ragoon and TCF were attacking POSes in 9-9 yesterday and in 1,5 days those will come out of reinforce. If BoB won't assemble a fleet to defend those then the only other explanation other than BoB being too tired of fighting would be the desynch bug wich has stopped fleetfights around the main frontier right now. Until the right time comes lets just pray for CCP to fix that bug. The desync thing seems to be on the increase as of late. I really hope they get to the bottom of it. We could have had a good scrap last night in 9-9 but your forces went to 77s as we were arriving back. Our roaming gangs are out on patrol, looking for targets but even the station systems are dead and pretty empty. I was part of the group of 20 smacking the 50+ docked people in 77s, trying to goad the locals into fighting. Tcf are usually out and about but don't seem to want any of it atm. I don't normally see alot of you guys unless its 3am-7am uk time or if we move away from the area to do an op so it's not like we aren't up for a fight, it's finding targets who are up for it The consensus was that the enemy are trying to bore us to death by not undocking or avoiding fights, a valid tactic but hardly testemant to us not wanting to fight or looking for it Edit - and ccp, fix the desync thingy Currently training forum ***** resistance L5
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:48:00 - [155] YACAODISOMETHING IS A SHINING BEACON OF TRUTH IN AN UNCERTAIN WORLD. Whatsyourface, I salute your honesty and lack of bias in your reports on the state of the war. Your unflinching journalism is an inspiration to us all. ---- This is an alt
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:13:00 - [156] The topic DOES say it's objective.... and not unbiased
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:28:00 - [157] Originally by: KIATolon The topic DOES say it's objective.... and not unbiased A very good point
Lance Tyr Minmatar Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:56:00 - [158] Originally by: Strategos Originally by: vipeer /me reads some comments HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA man my abs are hurting now. Considering laughter is half the health you just prolonged my life for the time it took me to write this post ;) No loss for meh Thanks for breaking the thread! Please edit it! =( As far as the OP's post, entertaining =) Dude...your face.
Khan Singh Power systems	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:09:00 - [159] I thought this was a wonderfully insightful commentary. The best I have seen on this forum. To bad some characters take offensive because they feel itÆs slanted one way or anther. All opinions are. Just a viewpoint.

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