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Ory'hara
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Posted - 2007.07.02 06:00:00 -
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As the subject line says, I was blown up even after I paid the ransom. Aside from siccing a merc corp on him, is there anything else I can do?
Are there any pirate corps that go after these guys for bad form? I know I'm not likely to pay any more ransoms after this sort of behaviour, which would hurt the pirate community as whole.
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pwnedgato
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.02 06:05:00 -
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Get ransomed by them again to give them a chance to make up for it by honoring the 2nd ransom?
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Hookers and Black Jack
Flaming Hookers
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Posted - 2007.07.02 06:09:00 -
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ask your ceo to make your title...
< insertt name here > does not honour ransoms.
today me and a corpie ransomed a hulk for 65m... was entertaining to say the least.
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Max Godsnottlingson
Amarr
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.07.02 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 02/07/2007 06:42:16
 Originally by: Ory'hara
As the subject line says, I was blown up even after I paid the ransom. Aside from siccing a merc corp on him, is there anything else I can do?
Are there any pirate corps that go after these guys for bad form? I know I'm not likely to pay any more ransoms after this sort of behaviour, which would hurt the pirate community as whole.
Also, post the individuals details here. You'll be surprised at how many player pirates frown on this. It upsets things if people ransom then pod. It's actually bad for business for player pirates who offer a ransom option, if too many people don't play 'by the rules'
In this case 'the rules' being;
either pod and salvage or ransom and let go, after payment
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.02 09:13:00 -
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name and shame them!!!!!!
proud member of [BEES]
my thoughts and ideas represent your corp
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.07.02 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Arekhon
name and shame them!!!!!!
theres no shame in dishonoring ransoms 
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victim > WTH was that for?
Speed Devil > hihihi =D
victim > Dumbass
victim > Suicided on me
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.02 15:33:00 -
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If you think it's smart to pet a dog that bites you, then pay ransoms.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.02 18:25:00 -
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Unlucky. The vast majority of ransoms are honoured but occasionally that happens. name and shame the corp. It reduces the number of ppl who pay them a ransom in future.
DE
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.02 18:47:00 -
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your a fool for paying it to begin with noob
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Guvnor RBM
Welsh Commanders
3asy Company
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:12:00 -
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When I was in Snigg I always honoured a ransom, Hell the odd moments I slip back into my old ways I still honour them.
Contact the pilots CEO, see what he say's if they don't refund your ISK then name and shame away.
But just a few questions...
a) Where you attacked by a group, if so did the ransom goto the right person, ie not some random dude in local ?
b) Did you pay a ransom and get caught later in the day ?
c) erm thats all I can think of for now
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mikaelim
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ory'hara
As the subject line says, I was blown up even after I paid the ransom. Aside from siccing a merc corp on him, is there anything else I can do?
Are there any pirate corps that go after these guys for bad form? I know I'm not likely to pay any more ransoms after this sort of behaviour, which would hurt the pirate community as whole.
Name them in your bio with a link to their char info. So everyone who clicks your bio might recognize their names or faces.
Most pirates hate such behaviour. I doubt someone will actively hunt them, but they'll know to keep distance to the corp/pilots in question.
But you should contact their ceo before. If i was given proof that one of my corpmates dishonored a ransom id kick him no matter what and would try to reimburse if possible at all. And i think some pirate corps have a policy like this.
Others dont and will pretend to not care when you name them here. Nonetheless they will prolly show up and try to derail the thread or find excuses. 
Of course a valid name and shame requires some solidification. Chat logs, screenshots, wallet transactions and killmails. Please give all the dirty details such threads are generally awesome.
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dragonssbane
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:49:00 -
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So what did you do to get killed.....if they were really pirates they would not pop you. It kills business. Unless you said or did something stupid.
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alexreborn
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Posted - 2007.07.03 04:30:00 -
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really depends.
did local spike? did u have friends in bound to help you? was scanner clear?
i would kill a ransomed target if i saw local spike by 3-5 players, or caught any hostile ship on scan.
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Reycks Armunicus
Gallente
CoreTech Industries
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.03 06:12:00 -
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not much you can do.
And BTW, Freespace > EVN
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Rangkai
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Posted - 2007.07.03 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: FHPhantom
your a fool for paying it to begin with noob
I don't think so.
I usually prefer to go down fighting, but I have payed ransom a few times.. I think most pirates honor the agreement and it's defiantly not good for business to blow people up after they pay.
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2007.07.03 08:50:00 -
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i've never had to pay a ransom, its posible to kit effectivly and cheeply, unless ur hauling something valuble in a hope & pray set up, in that case if u get cought u deserve to be punished for it.
as for honoring ransoms, that depends on the ransomer, some don't pvp for isk but just for the evil of it, and getting a known pirate in a ransom position + killing him any way is a weeks evil in one
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Sunny Mooninite
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:45:00 -
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Paying ransoms is really stupid. It encourages these asshats to continue by directly funding them. Just get blown up, be ready to warp your pod out of there. Let them scoop your can and resell your goods on their own dime, at least then they have to work for the isk.
DON'T PAY RANSOMS. EVER. TAKE THE SHIP DESTRUCTION LIKE A MAN. AND ALWAYS SAY "GF", they love that. 
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Bosie
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.03 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Paying ransoms is really stupid. It encourages these asshats to continue by directly funding them. Just get blown up, be ready to warp your pod out of there. Let them scoop your can and resell your goods on their own dime, at least then they have to work for the isk.
DON'T PAY RANSOMS. EVER. TAKE THE SHIP DESTRUCTION LIKE A MAN. AND ALWAYS SAY "GF", they love that.
Loot or ransom, all ISK to me but the time spent selling loot is made up with a nice kill mail.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND." |
SAVAGExxxWARRIOR
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Posted - 2007.07.03 15:03:00 -
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I disagree with sunny
If the ransom is cheaper than looseing your ship then i see it only senceable to pay a ransom, who ever shot you down after you paid is a disgrace to the pirate comunity imo.
Name and Shame
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Alpha Sentori
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.03 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Paying ransoms is really stupid. It encourages these asshats to continue by directly funding them. Just get blown up, be ready to warp your pod out of there. Let them scoop your can and resell your goods on their own dime, at least then they have to work for the isk.
DON'T PAY RANSOMS. EVER. TAKE THE SHIP DESTRUCTION LIKE A MAN. AND ALWAYS SAY "GF", they love that.
Maybe it is cheaper to pay the ransom than it is to buy new implants etc. on your own dime!
At Klepto we always honour a ransom. Occasionally we ransom ships but it's mainly pods so losing the ship thing isn't really relevant is it, the ship is usually a wreck at that point. If you had 100mil or more of implants and an expensive clone would you really prefer to lost it all rather than pay 50mil? Takes all sorts I suppose.
We do like a good fight actually.
Alpha
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Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar
White-Noise
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ory'hara
As the subject line says, I was blown up even after I paid the ransom. Aside from siccing a merc corp on him, is there anything else I can do?
Are there any pirate corps that go after these guys for bad form? I know I'm not likely to pay any more ransoms after this sort of behaviour, which would hurt the pirate community as whole.
People who don't honour ransoms are *******s, but I for one have always been too lazy to remember who they are. You might as well name them, it's possible that'll affect them adversely in some way. At the least they might come here and flame you, thus garnering free publicity and entertainment
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dragonssbane
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.03 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Paying ransoms is really stupid. It encourages these asshats to continue by directly funding them. Just get blown up, be ready to warp your pod out of there. Let them scoop your can and resell your goods on their own dime, at least then they have to work for the isk.
DON'T PAY RANSOMS. EVER. TAKE THE SHIP DESTRUCTION LIKE A MAN. AND ALWAYS SAY "GF", they love that.
I have a hanger full of bodies and eve mail folder full of kill mails of the likes of you. It matters not how much money I get, my first priority is Kill mail, body, lewtz, ransom. After dealing with guys like you, I just skip the hole thing and leave it up to my prey to offer a ransom. Oh yea, when you guys "lol" and say "gf" in local...first thing that comes to mind is "What a looser, he just rolled over and died."
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2007.07.03 22:51:00 -
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Speed Devil
Drunk Driver
FHPhantom
Sunny Mooninite
dont listen to these guys. theyŚre just bitter carebears who have lost their pod to pirates and dont know how to deal with them other than to whine on forums.
pirates dont hold many things holy and you should never trust their word. except when it comes to ransoms. if you have proof, post it. then name and shame the involved parties. most likely their nubs/wannabe-pirates.
that being said, im not sure i would ever pay a ransom to a pirate i didnt know (or was in a corp i didnt know) cause there are just too many idiots in this game.
so i guess the afore mentioned players have a point to some degree.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.03 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: SAVAGExxxWARRIOR
I disagree with sunny
If the ransom is cheaper than looseing your ship then i see it only senceable to pay a ransom, who ever shot you down after you paid is a disgrace to the pirate comunity imo.
Name and Shame
Most ppl disagree with him tbh. He's acting like pirating is done by ppl who want to spoil the game. it PART of the game. if u benefit from paying the ransom then do it, as long as it's a respectable corp. nothing 'manly' about getting blown up and leaving in a pod when u could have kept ur ship.
DE
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:00:00 -
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Most pirates honor their ransoms and ransom breakers are looked down apon poorly. Not because of any ethical grounds or crap like that, but just because it's bad buisness both for the ransom breaker and all pirates in general.
Simply put breaking ransoms makes it harder to ransom that person, and to ransom other people "who hear about the broken ransom" in general. Therefore, Name & Shame. Gives pirates a chance to get revenge for the poor practice of ransom breaking.
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ory'hara
As the subject line says, I was blown up even after I paid the ransom. Aside from siccing a merc corp on him, is there anything else I can do?
Are there any pirate corps that go after these guys for bad form? I know I'm not likely to pay any more ransoms after this sort of behaviour, which would hurt the pirate community as whole.
Name and shame, my friend. Most of us pirates don't take too kindly to this kind of activity, and it usually results in an unfriendly attitude towards the offender by other pirates, if you know what I mean.
-Karlemgne
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
Paying ransoms is really stupid. It encourages these asshats to continue by directly funding them. Just get blown up, be ready to warp your pod out of there. Let them scoop your can and resell your goods on their own dime, at least then they have to work for the isk.
DON'T PAY RANSOMS. EVER. TAKE THE SHIP DESTRUCTION LIKE A MAN. AND ALWAYS SAY "GF", they love that.
Don't listen to this guy, us a**hats will certainly (for the most part) let you go, then everyone is happy. You don't have to waste your time warping all over the universe to replace and rekit your ship, and it usually saves you money to boot, and the pirate is appeased.
-Karlemgne
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Sunny Mooninite
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.04 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 04/07/2007 00:51:03
Originally by: Karlemgne
Don't listen to this guy, us a**hats will certainly (for the most part) let you go, then everyone is happy. You don't have to waste your time warping all over the universe to replace and rekit your ship, and it usually saves you money to boot, and the pirate is appeased.
-Karlemgne
Yeah, beg them for the privilege of paying them for ganking you. If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it, right?
Do you really want to beg for your life with some dudes epeen in your mouth? "mpphhff ransom mumphhf slurp!" How's that taste? Like scabby, unwashed epeen, that's how.
By all means, if you're gonna lose a fight, lose the fight and take the lesson, no matter what the cost. If you beg someone not to kill you, you are weak and you deserve what you get. Let them have the killmail, the mods, whatever, but don't freaking beg them to take your money.
But don't forget to LOL in their face on your way to the station.
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0o0Preatorian0o0
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.07.04 00:51:00 -
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Any pirate that takes a ransom and still kills you should either return your isk. Its dishonorable and puts a bad name to the rest of the real pirates in the game
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Shara Noquar
Caldari
Alshain Industries
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2007.07.04 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
If you're gonna lose a fight, lose the fight and take the lesson, no matter what the cost. If you beg someone not to kill you, you are weak and you deserve what you get.
Who's talkin about fights in here? There's no fight to be had you could learn anything new when you're being ganked. If things like that happen, you lose money, and you probably have the chance to "get a discount". Just pay, and if there's something to learn, then: Next time, prepare for the trip by fitting correctly, and use a scout.
Being ganked and paying a ransom has nothing to do with fighting. Ransomed victims ain't in the position to fight most of the time. Pay or die, that easy.
And yes, name the guy, I'd like to "talk" to him.
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