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Deva Blackfire
Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Brolly
Invention does seem a tad borked atm, as a wise man once said, "if it's not broken, don't fix it"
I remeber the time of good returns through invention, noe it's hardly worth the time and isk. To put it in simpler terms that PVP'ers may understand.
Imagine if your guns failed to hit more often than not as time went by, until the time came that it was hardly worth spending your ammo (unless your Ammar and have crystals :P). It really does become quite futile.
Stop with funny comparisons especially when im both inventor and PvPer. And like i said: invention pays off - you just need a clue.
If you run 1 job and demand returns then too bad. Invention is chance based what means that statistics are very important here. And to get close to statistical chance (like 40% for module invention) you need to invent LOTS.
If you arent going to risk 1bil on cores + decryptors to run invention better dont bother. Fortune favours the bold - and seems im getting lots from risking atm.
Invention is NOT FLAWED atm except for one little thingy: 50% chance for: strip miner t2, covops t2, recon ships, intys, commands and AFs.
If we could decide WHICH we want to invent prices would drop fast.
And like i said earlier: lots of ISKies to be made but you need to invest and run some market research. If you dont want to, noone will make it easier for you.
Ah back to that comparison - if you are Amarr NOOB then you dont pay for ammo. So are you NOOB inventor? Coz all good Amarr PvPers use t2/faction crystals for combat that cost quite a lot.
And yes returns were abt 2000% of investition. Now they can get to 100% - still enough. Invest 2 bil, get 4. Times where you could put 100mil into basked and get 2bil are long gone. Adapt or quit.
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donjuandemarc0
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:04:00 -
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hear hear. While every time I read someone whining about how invention is to expensive and broke....I laugh to myself and I would never want to encourage someone to get into it because I don't need extra competition....it's like this. The above post is dead on. You need to be repared to invest 1+b into getting your operation up and running. You need to be prepared to make invention a full time thing and don't short yourself on the skill training. For mods, you need 4/4/4, for ships...you should have 5/5/5 and you need to be able to look at the market, calculate costs, and figure out whats profitable. You WILL make money. I've clear well over 15b from invention in the last few months.
So keep whining about how it doesnt work...more money for me....
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Sathamarid
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Minerals I mine myself are free
Opportunity cost. Look it up.
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Celus Talford
Gallente
The Sofa Kings
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:21:00 -
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I have also noticed a decrease in invention success since Rev II. I know it is all chance based but my success rate has really gone to ****ter. I have actually just purchased the draftsman implant to see if I can improve my success rate.
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heheheh
Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 03/07/2007 18:22:03
Originally by: Sathamarid
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Minerals I mine myself are free
Opportunity cost. Look it up.
Sarcasm. Look it up.
And just for the record,
Yea its broken, no money to be made,
I advise u all stop inventing amar recons, afs and Hacs, and most of the other stuff im selling.
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Deva Blackfire
Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Celus Talford
I have also noticed a decrease in invention success since Rev II. I know it is all chance based but my success rate has really gone to ****ter. I have actually just purchased the draftsman implant to see if I can improve my success rate.
Just after rev had bad luck with runs (abt 150 runs with 15-20% succes on modules) but now it came back to abt 40% (had some good runs with abt 80% efficiency).
Yep - 500-1000 runs is enough to see where it goes :)
Tho i dont see much of a difference with smaller invention chance implant (cheaper one)
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Zephirz
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:23:00 -
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I know! Invent SABREs \o/
zephirz
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Deva Blackfire
Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zephirz
I know! Invent SABREs \o/
Soon :)
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