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R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.03 02:01:00 - [31] havent you got better things to be worrying about brother? stay safe. DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
Mungad Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.03 02:18:00 - [32] Don't ask, don't tell? _____________________________ I farm isk.
Keira Fordring Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.03 02:34:00 - [33] Edited by: Keira Fordring on 03/07/2007 02:34:49 Edited by: Keira Fordring on 03/07/2007 02:33:34 Edited by: Keira Fordring on 03/07/2007 02:32:59 Quote: There needs to be a long-term solution to allow someone else to manage your account, not character. Maybe it would require an approval process via CCP... How about a secondary password. Each account creates two passwords. One is primary in which you can log on and do anything you want. The second can ONLY train skills. It can't fly, buy, trade, etc. Hell, make it so when logged in under that password it automatically puts you in the station where your clone is and won't let you undock. Naturally the secondary password would be shareable. I still however like the idea of skill queues and web access to skill training.
Dez Affinity Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 02:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Dez Affinity I'm guessing this thread will get locked as well, which is sad because this game caters for lots of people and letting people voice their opinions about rules should be allowed, otherwise it's some kind of dictatorship. Oh well. The EULA is hardly going to be determined through democracy now is it? Ok then let me rephrase, the game is made for us to play and if a majority don't like something within the EULA then they quit. If they quit, less people play, eventually game dies. Basicaly what I'm trying to say is rather than stopping all form of criticism and suggestions about the rules, they should at least be considered. Originally by: R3dSh1ft havent you got better things to be worrying about brother? I guess it helps to take your mind off such things. _______________
UPA Terf DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.07.03 02:40:00 - [35] Hey im about to be kind of in the same situation (joining USAF and cant access for a good few months)and as it is i just use direct family members..it is a special situation but i can also see where the gm is coming from as it gives players access to "sensitive" information. ------------------------------ *~~Scorn~~*
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.07.03 04:13:00 - [36] Originally by: UPA Terf Hey im about to be kind of in the same situation (joining USAF and cant access for a good few months)and as it is i just use direct family members..it is a special situation but i can also see where the gm is coming from as it gives players access to "sensitive" information. And you have just admitted to account 'sharing' because currently the only exception is a parent creating an account for a minor child. Not direct family members. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos

Kaemonn Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.03 05:11:00 - [37] Dont post GM communications. forum rules \| [email protected]\| Eve-CCG

voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.07.03 05:27:00 - [38] Edited by: voogru on 03/07/2007 05:26:54 I personally think that there are bigger account sharing problems going on rather than some dude logging in to train skills for you. Perhaps those ISK Farmers who are on 23/7, which usually have people working in shifts to control the account. Isn't that account sharing? It's not so bad though, you get to kill them/scam them twice as much because in 12 hours they won't remember what you did to them earlier.
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.07.03 06:19:00 - [39] Listen Murtific. As a vet of the falklands war and the First Gulf War let me say thsi to you. SCREW EVE! It's not important. Just you concentrate on making sure thay you do your 'bit' out in that God awful place. But more importantly, that you do what you have to do to get yourself home again and in one bit. Good luck and god bless, and I for one will look forward to the day you are posting here to say you are back and it's back to 'Eve' business as usual Stay focused man. Max G.
Murtific Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 06:30:00 - [40] All great suggestions from everybody. I've got a response from a person that stated they will push this subject up to the right people. We'll see =] I'm just tryin' to help out those, like me, who cant play everyday. Especially when ur working 16 hour shifts to keep helicopters in the air for the ground guys.... Max, yea, good point, but I play eve to relieve stress and get my mind off things.... =]
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.03 06:52:00 - [41] In eve it's only illegal if you get caught. So don't worry about it.
Semkhet Saudarkars	Posted - 2007.07.03 07:36:00 - [42] As far as I know, there's not a single country governed by the rule of law where clauses written in a private contract enjoy the legal power to superceed the law, except if the law has SPECIFICALLY granted said provision or the clause adresses a legal "foggy" area, as simple as that. Now legislation concerning virtual entertainment services is quite a new thing, and the pace countries update and adapt their laws is highly variable from place to place. However, to give an example concerning the EU, here's what happens: - In the EU, it is commonly stated that in case of conflict, it is the legal seat of the entertainment service provider which dictates the legal realm both parties will have to refer to. In the case of CCP, it is Iceland , which is NOT an EU member. So you might be inclined to believe that CCP is solely entitled to write in the EULA what it wishes as long it respects Icelandic law. -> Wrong. Why ? Because the EU laws concerning consumer protection also clearly state that a virtual service provider can refer to the legislation applying to its legal seat, PROVIDED said legislation and clauses of the binding contract DO NOT CONFLICT with the customer's legal rights granted by the legislation governing the country where the customer is LOCATED. In other words, with all its EU customers and the corresponding potential market of 450 million people, the various clauses of CCP's EULA are only valid on a case by case basis if they do not CONFLICT with the specific local customer's protection legal rights. Now take into account that the EU is composed by 27 nations which all have their own legislation and you can imagine the mess. Therefore, a customer displeased by a CCP decision based on the EULA could very well sue and win in a given EU country X, while another customer following exactly the same pattern could swiftly loose in the EU country Y. To CCP's credit, the international legal framework and the dynamics involved (laws change on a daily basis according to countries, politics, jurisprudence, etc...) make it impossible for CCP's lawyers to design an universal EULA 100% internationally proof. Bear in mind that CCP is a relatively new venture, and it's a gaming business. You certainly can't expect them to hire more lawyers than programmers and come up with the same complex contracts covering the tiniest hickup like international banks for example where each contract is explicitely aimed at a given country in a given context and for a specific set of services. Where would that put the monthly subscription to cover all these costs ? Hence the EULA will always be imperfect if you wish a cheap service, and I must say that I prefer an imperfect EULA than ending in a legal remake of the USA where for example half the price of a private medical intervention is related to bureaucracy and insurance coverages and an army of parasites spend their time seeking the tiniest hole in order to sue and make money on the backs of regular customers which are those who always will bear the final costs repercussion since businesses aren't there to loose money, one way or another.
UPA Terf DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.07.03 07:46:00 - [43] sorry i wasnt pointlessly pedantic about my post but i should have said "i will use family members" but now i guess i wont you have taught me just how much the little things matter...merry christmas everyone. ------------------------------ *~~Scorn~~*
Ulii	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Jennai Originally by: Crumplecorn If it is let slip, CCP have to come down hard because all kinds of Badness could potentially ensue from abuses of account sharing. you mean like the account sharing 23/7 mining isk farmers that never have anything done to them? providing special considerations for soldiers on deployment is good PR. rules-lawyering soldiers into shelling out $40 in transfer fees while doing nothing about the thousands of isk farmers isn't going to look good if it hits the media. yes! lets give every one that murders and kill in the name of uppholding a dictatorial regime special rights in this game!!
Tyrus Ex Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:33:00 - [45] Edited by: Tyrus Ex on 03/07/2007 08:33:41 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: chrisreeves #21 You may not share your account password with anyone. Infraction of this rule is done at your own risk. Further information on account transfers can be found in the EULA." Kinda vague there. The EULA says you can't account share. Rather than saying CCP will burn you at the stake, they simply say 'at your own risk'. Which, to just about anyone, means "don't get caught". Avoiding violation of point 21 of the EULA is relatively simple - you can set the client up (by editing the prefs.ini file, which is not against the EULA afaik) so that it automatically logs you into the game, without having to manually type in a password. In this way, your kids, wife, sister, brother, whatever, could change your skills, and you wouldn't have to share your password with them. IT would seem that from the language of the EULA, this would still be within the rules. Question for the OP: will you have internet access at all? If so, you could use VNC to remotely access your computer (with an http tunnel for example) and hence launch and play EVE (assuming you can't do it the normal way). Tyrus
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:36:00 - [46] If you have any type of net access on a computer made in the last 3-5 years then you should be able to eek out enough access to flip skills in EVE even by satellite. Probably best to aim for carriers or something though because a 2-3 s roundtrip can't make for fun.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:42:00 - [47] Originally by: MC Smith Originally by: Murtific Why should I pay 40 dollars extra to ensure my account(s) get trained. Why should you be given special treatment and be exempted from the rules? Because he's being ordered (not asked) to leave the country, to risk his life to help keep your ass safe.
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:46:00 - [48] Edited by: X99 Z990 on 03/07/2007 08:45:17 Again eve isnt based around one country or its army. Its the EULA. Edit - No special treatment!
Haxar The Usual Targets	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Malcanis [...] Because he's being ordered (not asked) to leave the country, to risk his life to help keep your ass safe. Nevertheless he wasn't ordered to join the army, he did that voluntarily.
Rafein	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:01:00 - [50] It is a touchy subject, cause to allow accout sharing/transfering at all basically opens up to acount selling for RL cash, with players making back alley deals through e-mail, then going through official channels when money is transfered. Which would be horrible for the game. Ya, if you just had someone log in, set skills, and log off, you probably would have been fine. But you probably got an Eve player, who decided to take your char out for a spin. All it takes is for him to let slip he is just a "caretaker", and one corp/alliance member tells CCP, and shows logs, and bam, you get banned. Personally, i would not mind specia cases of allowing characters to be transfered, or better, special cases when characters can be trained Via the web page, as long as they are well regulated, and documented proof is provided. However, changing the EULA to allow account transfers would open up the game to account selling, which woould further ruin the game. Especialy in a game where reuptation, and time invested is so important. Anyone can have a level 70 in WoW in a few weeks, no one can have a 30 million SP fighter in 2-3 months. ersonally, I woulda just sucked it up, et the longest thing I had, and let the account expire. Sure you lose some training time, but it's just time.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:09:00 - [51] Please keep politics out of this; I'm going to allow the discussion to continue, but leave out possible ways to go around the EULA and/or break it, and political discussions. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:13:00 - [52] Yeah, and why should anyone deserve any consideration for offering to do that? Jeez, the guy volunteers to give up a number of freedoms - including the freedom to stay or go as he choose - in order to risk his life for his country and all you can do is talk like some low level helpdesk monkey. I'm sure you think you're being very "hardcore" and "old EvE player" and all that, but actually you just sound like a little kid crying it's not fair that your big brother is allowed to stay up an hour later than you.
DARTHxFREE Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:17:00 - [53] Lets face it, the EULA sucks and we all know it, just most are to afraid to admit it, it's put in place to mostly shut us up so that if we have any complaints or questions they /point EULA which if zoomed out fully looks like a big "you are legaly obliged to shut up" Unlike Blizzard you cant say about CCP that they roll about in $$$ and thats all they care about. The evedence points to a more lazy outlook, in that as long as teh $$$ is rolling thats ok, lets hire 1-5 staff to cater for a world wide server and let the EULA take care of the slack, wake us up if theirs any big probs. For the OP, if you don't tell any one your acount sharring, they wont know. I don't belive any one could grass you up and get a GM to actualy listen and start an investigation. >:-E3 /join Cheeze & Whine Club Blaster Kamikaze, If your not prepeared to give it all up, stop saying your not a care bear
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:36:00 - [54] If it means a great deal to you then go to a paralegal and draw up a power of attorney for whoever you want to access your account. Then send a certified copy to CCP's office via registered mail. That should work, unless CCP doesn't recognize the legality of a power of attorney.
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:37:00 - [55] If it means so much to you, put EvE on a USB drive, get a 3G datacard or ISP/cellphone for your lappy, logon EvE from iraq once every 3-4 weeks and train some lvl 5 rank 5+ skills while your out there...
Semkhet Saudarkars	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:01:00 - [56] Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth If it means so much to you, put EvE on a USB drive, get a 3G datacard or ISP/cellphone for your lappy, logon EvE from iraq once every 3-4 weeks and train some lvl 5 rank 5+ skills while your out there... Private cellular coverage in Iraq varies from bad to non-existing. For example, even in Baghdad there are zones with absolutely no coverage. Now that's the capital, so you can imagine how's the rest of the country...
RaTTuS BIG BIG is Beautiful	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Tyrus Ex Avoiding violation of point 21 of the EULA is relatively simple - you can set the client up (by editing the prefs.ini file, which is not against the EULA afaik) Tyrus no you cannot - that was removed in rev 1 IIRC. if you have internet access of any kind you can load up the client and change skills, by a varity of means -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & Skills Blog
Na'Kunni Amarr RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:17:00 - [58] Originally by: SgtDeaux First of all Hooah. Lets also not forget too mention the money of thousands of other soldiers who play this game around the world who would be ANNOYED too see a company screw a soldier. Sounds like your about to declare war on CCP??
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:24:00 - [59] Originally by: Keira Fordring Edited by: Keira Fordring on 03/07/2007 02:34:49 Edited by: Keira Fordring on 03/07/2007 02:33:34 Edited by: Keira Fordring on 03/07/2007 02:32:59 Quote: There needs to be a long-term solution to allow someone else to manage your account, not character. Maybe it would require an approval process via CCP... How about a secondary password. Each account creates two passwords. One is primary in which you can log on and do anything you want. The second can ONLY train skills. It can't fly, buy, trade, etc. Hell, make it so when logged in under that password it automatically puts you in the station where your clone is and won't let you undock. Naturally the secondary password would be shareable. I still however like the idea of skill queues and web access to skill training. This seems like an excellent technical fix to the problem.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:56:00 - [60] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 03/07/2007 10:58:15 I'm sort of tired of debating, as there's been so little headway. I just think that CCP should see the difference between: 1) Legit account sharing. Your friends train skills for you, help the corp. jump items from empire to 0.0 (eg. if you're the only cap pilot), etc. - ie. it's up to you to decide whether a person is trustworthy enough to help you or not. I realize of course that this will never happen in any bureaucratic organization, but the fact that it doesn't happen affects customer satisfaction. I can imagine for instance a corporation of IRL-friends who decide to buy a shared account with a capital ship pilot (with ISK of course) to help the corporation. I would also imagine that a bunch of cyno alts to move across great distances is an additional "thing" that players should be allowed because the game-mechanics are the way they are. 2) Illegit account sharing. Pretty much any case where someone hacks an account, and the original account holder is unknowing. Through such means as brute-forcing, and where the only intention is to steal or abuse the account and characters on it. The fact that the EULA does not distinguish between the two above is a fundamental flaw imho. It's like in real life, I give my girlfriend my VISA card because I trust her, and it gives us the freedom so that she can use it to purchase items for me, or for the household. Or I give my friend the key to the house while I'm on vacation, to take care of the house, and maybe if he doesn't have my home cinema, he can watch videos and lay in my sofa as thanks for watering my plants or whatnot. The landlord forbidding such use (as in this case) really only makes matters more annoying and complicated, limiting the freedom of the house holder to do things as going on vacation without having a house full of dead plants and a dead cat because of the bueraucratic insanity and rule-fascist leaders. - Recruitment open again-

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