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Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:08:00 - [121] Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur The main reason is it is very tough for CCP to see the difference between both. Any hacker could just go set that option ON after popping your account and say l0ook it was ON... Except the original account holder would know, and he could report such activity immediately. Quote: Also this opens up Cyno net issues, your friend looses your dread while your are abroad and will go complain to CCP saying he used my account but undocked "Whinneee"... The only solution I see is no hear, no say, no see Hell I am sure that at some point or another most CCP staff on ISD member did the same too... Else this would have been closed a while ago. Yes, I can appreciate the difficulty of this scenario. This is why I think that there needs to be some form of an agreement. Like in the case of Murtific, he could give away the right to use his account while he is deployed, and during the time he does all his rights to complain about eg. lost assets are withdrawn. Murtific obviously trusts the second party, so for him there would be no problem, and for CCP, that would put them without responsibility, since Murtific agreed beforehand. Hence the training would be legal. Sounds fair? - Recruitment open again-
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:12:00 - [122] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur The main reason is it is very tough for CCP to see the difference between both. Any hacker could just go set that option ON after popping your account and say l0ook it was ON... Except the original account holder would know, and he could report such activity immediately. Quote: Also this opens up Cyno net issues, your friend looses your dread while your are abroad and will go complain to CCP saying he used my account but undocked "Whinneee"... The only solution I see is no hear, no say, no see Hell I am sure that at some point or another most CCP staff on ISD member did the same too... Else this would have been closed a while ago. Yes, I can appreciate the difficulty of this scenario. This is why I think that there needs to be some form of an agreement. Like in the case of Murtific, he could give away the right to use his account while he is deployed, and during the time he does all his rights to complain about eg. lost assets are withdrawn. Murtific obviously trusts the second party, so for him there would be no problem, and for CCP, that would put them without responsibility, since Murtific agreed beforehand. Hence the training would be legal. Sounds fair? Cyno net again? What prevents A from login in again to have 2 accounts manage skills? Player farmer anyone? check the trade forum... This as to remain the way it is... ----------- It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone...
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:13:00 - [123] Originally by: Leena Hope Edited by: Leena Hope on 03/07/2007 19:02:46 I just dont agree with account sharing in any way. Even harmless little skill training. Why should i have to log in each and every time my skill is finished but others shouldnt have to. Yes being deployed is a pretty good arguement for account sharing, but its still against the rules. If i have to sit at my pc each and every time my skill is up. so should everybody else. Period. Its just too close to "Twinking" as its called in other games. Edit: oops forgot to change to main. Main is: Cyrra So if a change to the EULA was made to allow say a friend of yours, let's call him Aduna, to train your skills you would object to that? Yeah, right. - Recruitment open again-
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:14:00 - [124] Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Cyno net again? What prevents A from login in again to have 2 accounts manage skills? Player farmer anyone? check the trade forum... This as to remain the way it is... Please clarify. - Recruitment open again-
Cyrra Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:21:00 - [125] Actually no i wouldnt let anybody log into my account, friend or not. too much potental for abuse. And even if ccp ruled it as ok, i still wouldnt do it.
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:21:00 - [126] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Cyno net again? What prevents A from login in again to have 2 accounts manage skills? Player farmer anyone? check the trade forum... This as to remain the way it is... Please clarify. Clarify what? CEO get access to all account fro months can use accounts for Cynonet... You pay CCP and won't be allowed you to use the account in the mean while, right... Account aren't IP bound, you could just login in back at any time. But now CEO as a right to use account for Cyno net "Oh I just switched one skill of BS 5 to another cruiser 5 and dropped a Cyno while I logged on for fun you know..." Players farmer for isk for $$$, but now 24h able to do it because ULA won't mind/prevent give tools against abuses... ----------- It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone...
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:35:00 - [127] You could repetition and escalate the matter to a senior GM, based on what other posters have said about the EULA. If they ban accounts that have been reported as sharing, it must be because of policy rather than actually infringing the EULA. Of course, whoever it gets escalated to might not change anything... or even might make it worse. Personally I think it's a ridiculous decision by the GM, and there needs to be some better mechanism in place for getting consistent GM decisions. Petitions that are blatant out of game personal attacks should be rubbished. The only person that finding against you helps is this suspected guy who ratted you out. RL Police happily trash nonsensical and out of proportion complaints all the time. The acronym for it is "LOB". Prize for anyone who guesses what that means
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:38:00 - [128] Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Clarify what? CEO get access to all account fro months can use accounts for Cynonet... You pay CCP and won't be allowed you to use the account in the mean while, right... Account aren't IP bound, you could just login in back at any time. But now CEO as a right to use account for Cyno net "Oh I just switched one skill of BS 5 to another cruiser 5 and dropped a Cyno while I logged on for fun you know..." Players farmer for isk for $$$, but now 24h able to do it because ULA won't mind/prevent give tools against abuses... I think you're being very vague, you mean that there are CEO:s who have access to whole networks of accounts? - Recruitment open again-
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:16:00 - [129] does balad have a similar setup to basrah and other nearby areas, some have a civvie run cabin (small fee, not too bad) with unrestricted internet use, you could always lob/install eve onto a usb stick and login that way. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Murtific Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 22:08:00 - [130] Interesting, opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one =] Some of you ham on people who find some things (like gaming) relaxing. Going to leave it at that. Through all the condacending crap I read through of the past 12 hours since I last was on shift, I only gather a few ideas that are worth anything. For those of you who put forward constructive thoughts, great job.
Jaysc	Posted - 2007.07.03 23:27:00 - [131] Edited by: Jaysc on 03/07/2007 23:28:35
Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.03 23:30:00 - [132] ya know, i swore that i wouldn't reply to this topic, but right now i feel that i cannot. i want to state right now: i had nothing to do with this whatsoever. i never made a petition about this, so if you have a leak, it must have come from someone else Tobias. again, i did not petition on this as i may have left OMG in bad faith after a misunderstanding incident, but i would not betray intra-corp secrets i was privy to. moreso, if i was gonna, i would have done it a long time ago. wrong guy. Tobias/Murt: i find your attempts to try to blatantly pin this on me as just sad. and yes Murt, you meant exactly me in your first post. you couldn't outright mention my name without the post being deleted, but i'm not an idiot either. perhaps i should link the post from the pirate forum to prove this? i will if you deny it, and then all can see for themselves. again, i had nothing to do with this petition whatsoever. i suggest OMG look indoors at their own people, either corp or alliance that would do this. i have no axe to grind against my former corporation or its memberbase, and i would take no action that would result in stuff like this going down. it's petty and stupid, and i would think that you all know me better than that.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.04 00:03:00 - [133] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 04/07/2007 00:05:04 n/m I realize it's not worth the effort. - Recruitment open again-
Zomiaen Gallente Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.04 00:36:00 - [134] Edited by: Zomiaen on 04/07/2007 00:39:45 Originally by: Aduna ya know, i swore that i wouldn't reply to this topic, but right now i feel that i cannot. i want to state right now: i had nothing to do with this whatsoever. i never made a petition about this, so if you have a leak, it must have come from someone else Tobias. again, i did not petition on this as i may have left OMG in bad faith after a misunderstanding incident, but i would not betray intra-corp secrets i was privy to. moreso, if i was gonna, i would have done it a long time ago. wrong guy. Tobias/Murt: i find your attempts to try to blatantly pin this on me as just sad. and yes Murt, you meant exactly me in your first post. you couldn't outright mention my name without the post being deleted, but i'm not an idiot either. perhaps i should link the post from the pirate forum to prove this? i will if you deny it, and then all can see for themselves. again, i had nothing to do with this petition whatsoever. i suggest OMG look indoors at their own people, either corp or alliance that would do this. i have no axe to grind against my former corporation or its memberbase, and i would take no action that would result in stuff like this going down. it's petty and stupid, and i would think that you all know me better than that. We haven't blatantly accused you of anything, just merely suggested it. Why do you feel the need to deny something so vigorously of which you haven't been directly accused of? Now, on topic.....Personally, my humble opinion is that for military personnel from any country, who legitimately prove that they are unable to continue actually playing (deployment letters, whatever), should have somewhat of a special exemption, but on a very strict basis. Only one extra person controlling the account and such. ---
Icarrystuff	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:01:00 - [135] Originally by: Cyrra Actually no i wouldnt let anybody log into my account, friend or not. too much potental for abuse. And even if ccp ruled it as ok, i still wouldnt do it. This is the truth. Someone I know got one of his RL mates to log in to change a skill for him. While logged in the guy stole money from the corp wallet and put his carrier up for sale in a contract for 0 ISK.
Novemb3r Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:06:00 - [136] Originally by: Zomiaen Now, on topic.....Personally, my humble opinion is that for military personnel from any country, who legitimately prove that they are unable to continue actually playing (deployment letters, whatever), should have somewhat of a special exemption, but on a very strict basis. Only one extra person controlling the account and such. But if you make that exemption for them you have to make it for everyone. What if I'm a scientist who has to go to antarctica for a year? Or if I am an astronaut and have to go and live on the space station? Or a thousand and one other examples of people in the same situation? Are their jobs somehow less deserving? -
Zomiaen Gallente Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:18:00 - [137] Originally by: Novemb3r Originally by: Zomiaen Now, on topic.....Personally, my humble opinion is that for military personnel from any country, who legitimately prove that they are unable to continue actually playing (deployment letters, whatever), should have somewhat of a special exemption, but on a very strict basis. Only one extra person controlling the account and such. But if you make that exemption for them you have to make it for everyone. What if I'm a scientist who has to go to antarctica for a year? Or if I am an astronaut and have to go and live on the space station? Or a thousand and one other examples of people in the same situation? Are their jobs somehow less deserving? I suppose thats true. Perhaps it should just be each individuals choice, though as previously mentioned it beings up the question of people claiming their account was hacked after giving away account details. Theres a hole in that logic though, as CCP claims to know when you have shared your account via, yes, specifically mentioned, chat logs. If a claim is made that someone has their account hacked, is it not reasonable to say that CCP could simply check the logs as they claim to do now to verify? ---

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