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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:53:00 -
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Do you think that the amount of information that can be found by using the API is starting to hurt/ruin Eve?
My major issue is the sheer amount of information that can be found out of game.
Being able to fit ships, create training plans is great, but when you can find out the entire corp / alliance membership, the history of each player etc without even logging into the game, I find that actually quite sad.
Even being able to see how many NPC and player kills are being made in each system (including WH), spoils it a little.
Personally I think Eve would be much more enjoyable if information like this had to be obtained by using in game methods and not just running a script.
Anyone else wish that that this kind of info should only be available in game and not just by somebody running a script? |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
203
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:55:00 -
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Was about to call ya lazy, but then you said script running. Dont really care ccp made it so you can easily download the data to your comp for out of game pleasure. No biggie for me.
Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
Coalition of the Unfortunate
166
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:02:00 -
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Because if there's something EvE needs more of... it's manual spreadsheets. |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
250
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:13:00 -
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Wormhole npc stats are so incredibly immersion breaking it blows my mind. Getting entire corp rosters is a bit irksome too.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
524
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:14:00 -
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No..
If you don't like it YOU can not use it.
As for the corp and member info. It is called every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You can't hide in EVE the same way you can with other MMOs.
Famble wrote:Wormhole npc stats are so incredibly immersion breaking it blows my mind. Getting entire corp rosters is a bit irksome too.
Then why are you looking at Dotlan or the part of the map that shows it? |
baltec1
434
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:15:00 -
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Makes my life a hell of a lot easyer. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
203
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:19:00 -
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In a world of super computers and massive databases, why shouldn't this information be available?
You later go on to suggest that the information should only be available ingame, why would it make any diffrence whether CCP's or a third parties script was accessing the database?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:39:00 -
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It only "hurts" when it's not working.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:45:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
Even being able to see how many NPC and player kills are being made in each system (including WH), spoils it a little.
Anyone else wish that that this kind of info should only be available in game and not just by somebody running a script?
1. The rest of wspace stats are being removed soon as well from the API or so the evil mastermind Soundwave has said.
2. NPC/Ship kills is viewable in the ingame map, if there was no API, then people would just write memory reading scripts to get the data if they wanted it, on the plus side, the ingame map updates far faster than the API |
gfldex
258
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:46:00 -
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Before we had the API cunning individuals where parsing the cache folder. CCP could neither prevent that nor find out who did it. With the API anybody can do what was once knowledge of the few. Power to the people!
There is still hope for EVE:
"Best Regards,
GM Ninjapirate" |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
250
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:58:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:No.. If you don't like it YOU can not use it. As for the corp and member info. It is called every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You can't hide in EVE the same way you can with other MMOs. Famble wrote:Wormhole npc stats are so incredibly immersion breaking it blows my mind. Getting entire corp rosters is a bit irksome too. Then why are you looking at Dotlan or the part of the map that shows it?
You use a lot of words and end up saying absolutely nothing.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
929
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:13:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Do you think that the amount of information that can be found by using the API is starting to hurt/ruin Eve?
My major issue is the sheer amount of information that can be found out of game.
Being able to fit ships, create training plans is great, but when you can find out the entire corp / alliance membership, the history of each player etc without even logging into the game, I find that actually quite sad.
Even being able to see how many NPC and player kills are being made in each system (including WH), spoils it a little.
Personally I think Eve would be much more enjoyable if information like this had to be obtained by using in game methods and not just running a script.
Anyone else wish that that this kind of info should only be available in game and not just by somebody running a script?
Tell ya what.. spend a week in any system counting the number of NPC kills, or writing down names of characters in a certain corp, and get back to me on how much more fun you're having.
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:37:00 -
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Feligast wrote:
Tell ya what.. spend a week in any system counting the number of NPC kills, or writing down names of characters in a certain corp, and get back to me on how much more fun you're having.
He said "Doing it manually is tough".
He meant, "I wonder how much longer we can leave our bots in that system before someone notices?" |
Spurty
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
207
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:44:00 -
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Is 2012 the year of the poke in the eye?
Why do people want to be blinded again?
Remove local - Poke
Remove API - poke
Return us to grepping cache files and logs again?
Whatever next?
The API is whysome of us stay with this game.
When playing the game burn out kicks in, I fire up ultra edit and develop something.
It's fricken incredible that a Game developer has created a mechanism to share their database with their subscribers!
Possibly unique (can't think of anyone else doing this).
Really, if this happened, you would create a massive brain drain. If that hasn't set some alarm bells ringing, there's really. No hope for you.
TL;DR your worry here needs an arrow to the skull
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Avensys
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
82
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:41:00 -
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removing the API would just empower large alliances even further - because they would be the ones who could coordinate to have their own "evemaps" like website fed 23/7 with information directly polled from some member's EVE client (thx to the glory of python injections).
edit: imo the API should really be turned into a 2-way interface that also allows us to update skills, change market orders, deliver industry jobs, ... |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
223
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:16:00 -
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Its junk
You cannot hide anything in EVE and you dont even have to log in to the game to see exactly what is happening anywhere and at any time.
And no you cant have my API key. i keep my neferious stuff on another character so why bother
Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
202
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:06:00 -
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There is a little too much free intel going around in Eve. Between exact killmail reports of fittings, to the jumps/kills APIs, some stuff goes a little too far.
It greatly simplifies intelligence gathering for those without the ability to do so (small corps, people who have morals and don't use spais) and it does a lot to maintain keep some turmoil going (e.g. drawing roamers to systems with lots of NPC kills). Killmails (and killboards) also provide an incentive to PvP for some.
However, the lots of free intel provided by these things should be toned down some: kill reports in wormholes make no sense. Who was there to see it? Exact fitting reports on killmails make little sense too. If you couldn't see their fit when they were alive, what was it about the massive fireball they went up in that told you if they had a Nanofiber Internal Structure or an Overdrive Injector System?
Other than that? The character and corporation APIs are awesome and we need more of that. Eve is a very numbers-intensive game, and you often need 3rd party programs to optimize your performance -- since in-game utilities are inadequate. Plus, they allow for interesting out-of-game utilities: "GPS" systems, lotteries/gambling games, automated membership checking for forums, etc.
tl;dr: some of the free intel in APIs could be tuned down some, but the personal utility APIs are just fine IMO. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
35
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:39:00 -
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I think only being able to find the information out of game is a little odd. Aside from that, I believe the API system is being abused to some extent by corporations within the game as a means of recruitment and screening, and has potential to be abused outside of game by people who run sites using APIs and just want to gather information on players accounts, activities, sales and purchases, etc... Not that anyone would ever do that. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:44:00 -
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I can't get it to work on EVE Mon anymore. It used tah. Now it don't. I've waited the requisite thirty minutes and everything. Same with EFT. Two good tools gone cause of an improvement. Go figure.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:31:00 -
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Bad posting is hurting Eve more than the api
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
205
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:57:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Bad posting is hurting Eve more than the api
Stop it then 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
202
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:10:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Bad posting is hurting Eve more than the api Stop it then
She's a goon. They believe that killing Eve will give the most awesome killmail ever and have been working at it for years.
True story. |
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