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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 03/07/2007 21:05:06
Originally by: MotoTsume I swear more at myself and not the other person or people for this.
That is the attitude that people really need to have. Just like in any other game blaming or getting angry at the other person for playing their way "within game rules" is just being a poor sport. That's what gets PVPers angry, not the fact that you choose not to PVP at all.
That and thinking the game should be changed to suit their own needs/desires rather then the needs/desires of PVPer/Carebear alike. ________________
DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit |

Asper Gillus
Caldari Galactic Fighter Syndicate Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:07:00 -
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Carebear, PVPer....
WTF?
The only ppl having problems with the other group seem to be the whiners on BOTH sides.
Look round this forum. The greatest forumwarriors of both sides have their whiningthreads. Nerf this, nerf that. PVPers listen: Without the dumb carebear you won't have a ******* boat to fight in, got it?
Carebears listen: Without the evUl PVPer you won't have a market to sell your ******* ship for lots of iskies, got it?
You live from eachother.
I laugh about pirates crying in local that cloaking a hauler and WTZ are unfair. I only can say: It's not MY problem that YOU are not good enough to gank a single hauler in your T2-Ships. Maybe you should get some mininglasers and shoot roids. Or are they too fast, too? And i can understand pirates that laugh about whining in local that they shot the unarmed hauler. Hey bear, if you go into the arena remember that there will be fighting going on. So why the hell you think you will be left alone when all others aren't? Don't tell me you didn't KNOW. There is a popup reminding you. What more do you want? A personal letter from CCP?
So if i can have a wish for free for this game:
Get over this Carebear/PVPer-Thingie. When you are afraid to lose a ship - don't use it or use it different and elsewhere. And please stop bragging about how uber you are - you are not. Ganking a hauler or even a single fighting ship with Battleshipgroups nearly blobsize is by no means a fair fight so don't pretend it is. You chose the role of the bad guy. Stop whining about being treated as one.
@OP: If it goes down who starts smacking - i would say it is evenly balanced. The high-horse fits to enough PVPers as well. Or what would you say it is if someone mean to tell me how i have to play EVE because 'it was meant to be played that way'.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: DubanFP
In the end most PVPers have nothing against a carebear as long as the carebear accepts that PVP and Piracy are just another way of playing the game. And most people on both sides will be very civil unless the other person starts to smack first. In general if you respect a PVPer's choice of playstyle, we'll respect yours.
Sorry to busrt your bubble there champ but its the other way around.. its the PvPers that need to learn to respect the carebears rather then hunting them ala piracy, before they can get any respect back. PvPers and pirates don't like the fact that a carebear could care less about you and your game so long as it dosent effect them. The carebear could play for 2 years w/o any desire to PvP and is hence looked down upon.
You want respect because you fly around and shoot people... Carebears rarely if ever want any part of what you consider game fun and it annoys them.
*mind you I'm mainly refering to pirates that call themselves PvPers, not actual decent people that don't shoot unarmed ships*
THE ABOVE QUOTED POST VALIDATES THE OP'S POSITION, AND AS SUCH HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AS EXHIBIT A IN DEFENSE OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER
sry bout that, just lol'd at the post and had to point and laugh when I realised the irony of the whole thing.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:48:00 -
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Sick of the labels tbh. Play how ya want and if people want to label you this or that, to hell with em. We all pay the same subscription rate. No one gets premium service and the right to more in game respect or epeen'age.
Besides, the labels are off the mark anyway. To me it's about how people respond to challenges. - Do you try to justify your loss by describing the other player as a juvenial "griefer"? FAIL - Do you come to the forums and ask for something to be nerfed because you weren't able to pwn? FAIL - Do you complain about a loss because you were actually afk and you feel you shouldn't have to sit through the "boring bits" of Eve? FAIL
- Do you look to yourself and how you can adapt your gameplay whenever someone else imposes their will on you? Win! - Are you sad to see opposing playstyles nerfed because it makes for a less challenging game for you? Win!
- Does someone else coming up with a new and inventive way of playing the game that in turn offers you a new challenge make you happy? Or do you come to the forums armed with righteous indignation because your status quo has been affected?
It's all about attitude. Do you crave new challenges and love it when your fellow players provide them? Or do you come here crying to mummy CCP to make it all better?
Alot of 0.0 "badasses" fail at it, not just the empire bound. So in the end, the "carebear" label really doesn't cut it. It's just another label people throw around to try and make themselves look better in comparison imo.
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:51:00 -
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This is getting silly:
PvP is a verb: Spoon Thumb was PvP'ing last night when... This is an example of a good setup for PvP
Saying you're a "PvPer" is like saying you're an professional Football player. Does not mean you have to be a Pro Footballer to kick a ball or play a game of football
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.03 22:26:00 -
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Crafters like me build sand castles. So-called PKers walk on the beaches and decide to kick the sand castles although they can walk around them. And PKers keep on destroying sand castles so they can provoke people to fight them. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |

Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.03 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Crafters like me build sand castles. So-called PKers walk on the beaches and decide to kick the sand castles although they can walk around them. And PKers keep on destroying sand castles so they can provoke people to fight them.
Know what the real Jenny would have said?
"<--- PVP".
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Brolly
Caldari Templars of Space Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 22:30:00 -
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Carebears are t3h ebil!!!! :P
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dragonssbane
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.03 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Crafters like me build sand castles. So-called PKers walk on the beaches and decide to kick the sand castles although they can walk around them. And PKers keep on destroying sand castles so they can provoke people to fight them.
Hey you get the chance to build bigger and better Castles. But if they keep kicking them down, put a big frigging rock in the sand castle. After they break a toe or two..it makes them think twice before they kick em again..you think?
In other words...use the gray matter between your ears...writing sonnets of your plight does not solve your problem.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.03 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: dragonssbane
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Crafters like me build sand castles. So-called PKers walk on the beaches and decide to kick the sand castles although they can walk around them. And PKers keep on destroying sand castles so they can provoke people to fight them.
Hey you get the chance to build bigger and better Castles. But if they keep kicking them down, put a big frigging rock in the sand castle. After they break a toe or two..it makes them think twice before they kick em again..you think?
In other words...use the gray matter between your ears...writing sonnets of your plight does not solve your problem.
And where do I find this mythical rock in this game? I fly a hauler to build stuffs and somebody flies a combat ship to destroy stuffs.
If killing is consensual then I would believe the story of this mythical rock in the fairy tale. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |

DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 03/07/2007 23:02:38
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: dragonssbane
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Crafters like me build sand castles. So-called PKers walk on the beaches and decide to kick the sand castles although they can walk around them. And PKers keep on destroying sand castles so they can provoke people to fight them.
Hey you get the chance to build bigger and better Castles. But if they keep kicking them down, put a big frigging rock in the sand castle. After they break a toe or two..it makes them think twice before they kick em again..you think?
In other words...use the gray matter between your ears...writing sonnets of your plight does not solve your problem.
And where do I find this mythical rock in this game? I fly a hauler to build stuffs and somebody flies a combat ship to destroy stuffs.
If killing is consensual then I would believe the story of this mythical rock in the fairy tale.
It is consensual, you log on KNOWING you can be attacked don't you? You accept the risk every single time. EVE is about knowing which risks are worth taking, there's risk in everything "although usually the risk is very small".
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DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit |

Dau Imperius
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:08:00 -
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This is a test of the emergency Dau-cast system. This is only a test.
SPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
This conclused the test of the Emergency Dau-cast system. Had this been an actual emergency thread, a comment may have been made. But considering I hate being called a make-beleive word 'carebear', hate PvP = all, and as such would be opinionated, I made this post instead.
Get a grip people. We're really sad today. 
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Geli Tetro
Vanquish Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Geli Tetro on 03/07/2007 23:31:27
Originally by: Petrothian Tong
ironicly, Pvers pays for the server lol.
and I dont think there are that many EXCLUSIVELY pvpers out there. not enough to keep the server alive.
The majority of the eve player base are alround players, i.e. they typically partake in lots of aspects in eve including pvp combat.
For some unknown reason to me, a minority of eve who only partake in "safe activites" seem to think they are the majority in eve and pay for the servers.
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.03 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dau Imperius
Can a moderator get rid of this crap? It's the only spam here in a "reasonably" constructive thread. That and it's screwing with the margins. ________________
DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit |

Yifan Ma
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Posted - 2007.07.04 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: dragonssbane
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Crafters like me build sand castles. So-called PKers walk on the beaches and decide to kick the sand castles although they can walk around them. And PKers keep on destroying sand castles so they can provoke people to fight them.
Hey you get the chance to build bigger and better Castles. But if they keep kicking them down, put a big frigging rock in the sand castle. After they break a toe or two..it makes them think twice before they kick em again..you think?
In other words...use the gray matter between your ears...writing sonnets of your plight does not solve your problem.
And where do I find this mythical rock in this game? I fly a hauler to build stuffs and somebody flies a combat ship to destroy stuffs.
If killing is consensual then I would believe the story of this mythical rock in the fairy tale.
In a case like this, you can always make yourself harder to kill. Perhaps that means reducing your cargo hold for better armor. Or adding whatever modification you need to make yourself even just a little harder to kill. Given a gank squad of assault ships and tacklers against a lone freighter, not much beyond negotiation, or traveling in your own pack, is going to save you. That's the way of things though, there are always ways to improve ones survivability though.
To be honest I'm not much of a pvp'r.. But I still feel it adds magnitudes to this game. The attitude that pvp makes it harder for "carebears" to do what they want makes me wonder where one should draw the line... NPC pirates also make it harder for a "carebear" miner to mine, should they be removed? How about the time it takes to mine, or travel... Should that be removed to? If a person where solely interested in building ships, perhaps they could just click a buttong to be supplied with minerals and component pieces, and then another button to create a ship.. A person might be able to create 1000's of ships an hour. How long would that really be fun though.
My point is that the fun is in the challenge, regardless of where it comes from.. Something is only too challenging if it's impossible to circumvent. Up to that point the more effort one most put forth the more rewarding experience one generally has.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yifan Ma How about the time it takes to mine, or travel... Should that be removed to?
Yes, travelling time has been "removed" because of Warp To Zero. It's one of the best thing ever that CCP gives us.
Quote: If a person where solely interested in building ships, perhaps they could just click a buttong to be supplied with minerals and component pieces, and then another button to create a ship.. A person might be able to create 1000's of ships an hour. How long would that really be fun though.
Some people do find that fun because if they can create 1000's ships, they may create 100000's next time and that is a challenge.
Why must you killers force others who are less aggressive to play your play style? You can walk around the sand castles but noooooooooo, you walk through it. Isn't forcing people to do stuffs they do not wish or prefer to is the same as provoking and bullying? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |

Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Some people do find that fun because if they can create 1000's ships, they may create 100000's next time and that is a challenge.
Why must you killers force others who are less aggressive to play your play style? You can walk around the sand castles but noooooooooo, you walk through it. Isn't forcing people to do stuffs they do not wish or prefer to is the same as provoking and bullying?
Without the "killers" blowing stuff up, why would people ever buy your 1000s of ships?
If you are selling ships, you are gaining directly from someone else losing. You may not have killed that person's previous ship, but you are profiting from it none the less.
And you'd complain about that why? You make no sense to me. You should be thanking the "killers"...
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Yifan Ma
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Yes, travelling time has been "removed" because of Warp To Zero. It's one of the best thing ever that CCP gives us.
Some people do find that fun because if they can create 1000's ships, they may create 100000's next time and that is a challenge.
Why must you killers force others who are less aggressive to play your play style? You can walk around the sand castles but noooooooooo, you walk through it. Isn't forcing people to do stuffs they do not wish or prefer to is the same as provoking and bullying?
Regarding traveling time, it still hasn't been completely removed... I envisioned the ability to sit in a base, click a button called supply and then be supplied instantly with whatever minerals you needed... Not really much of a space game then though. Also Warp to 0 only made it so that one wouldn't have to go through the trouble of getting bookmarks... Something most veteran players had for the systems they frequented. Essentially they made it friendlier to the new player, but the mechanic was already in place.
Regarding whether or not a speed clicking contest would be fun... Well I can't really argue the point there as what's fun is a personal concept. However without the variety and effort which traveling, NPC Pirates, and Player Pirates add to the game, I really can't see anyone being very engrossed for long.
Building is fun for people generally because of the sense of accomplishment which comes with creating something from seemingly nothing. Where would the sense of accomplishment come from if it were as easy as clicking a button... One might say the fun is in seeing how many you could create in an hour.... "How fast you could click the button".. But why then is that more fun than seeing how many times in an hour you can minimize and maximize your browser... It's equally as challenging if all there is to it is a simple button click. I stand by my opinion that it's only really fun if it seems difficult enough to be "real".
As for being a killer.. I have yet to kill a single person, nor do I have plans to in anything other than self-defense, but I do still think it adds to the game in the same way that having NPC pirates adds to the game.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Yifan Ma Regarding traveling time, it still hasn't been completely removed... I envisioned the ability to sit in a base, click a button called supply and then be supplied instantly with whatever minerals you needed...
And jump drives and jump related features? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |

Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68 Without the "killers" blowing stuff up, why would people ever buy your 1000s of ships?
If you are selling ships, you are gaining directly from someone else losing. You may not have killed that person's previous ship, but you are profiting from it none the less.
Collection, upgrades and accidents? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |

CiNi
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: CiNi on 04/07/2007 13:15:30
OK lets flip this on its head
You folks who consider yourselves "bears" u say the pvp side of the game dont respect your choice to play the game a different way from them.
Think about this for a second... us people who pvp need to make money to give to you for all the shiney things you make that we NEED for PvP, but..... you guys are pvping with each other on the market with the fruits of what you choose to do with your time. We cannot compete on this field and do what WE want to do at the same time. We HAVE to buy the things from you at the price u dictate. For us to compete with what you do, we would have to stop doing what we love to do and become more like you.
So you are infact forcing your way of playing the game onto us poor PvPers!!
But.... thankfully we have a way to stand up for ourselves, we shoot you and take your stuffs when you venture into our domain, it is the ONLY option you leave us by tyring to force us to be like you to compete.
To circumvent this, you guys can stay in high sec, where can we go to get away from your style of playing?
You "bears" are the bullies in this game, us poor pvpers have to try and earn the money you force us to give you purely so we can DO what we want to do. At least you guys get pretty much to do whatever you want to do unless you venture into our domain AND make a mistake, we have no such luxury !!
DISCLAIMER !!!
I AM Not A 
Edit :: Too many !!'s are bad m'kay 
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
Without the "killers" blowing stuff up, why would people ever buy your 1000s of ships?
If you are selling ships, you are gaining directly from someone else losing. You may not have killed that person's previous ship, but you are profiting from it none the less.
And you'd complain about that why? You make no sense to me. You should be thanking the "killers"...
Please, killers need industrialists way more than anyone. You would be no where without our loving t2 builders, the invention people who helped bring prices down... those who spent time in research, running missions, running cosmos, for better standings, better investments, and a better build so you can get cheaper items in more locations.
Players don't need PvPers to lose ships. Let me rephrase that... players don't need PIRATES to lose ships. More players lose ships in willing PvP to defend and protect, than there are players losing ships from ganker pirates.
So they way I look at it, its not about who needs who, its about shutting tfu and minding your own beezwax. Play the style you want, and deal with your actions.
Not one person can sit here and tell me they have never been involved in any PvE aspect. If you claim that, you are a liar. Or, you are just too egotistical to admit you have 4 other accounts used to haul, research, build, and mine.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:34:00 -
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Some people seem to equate respecting someone else's playstyle with leaving those people to play that way in isolation. Since this goes against the core of EVE (a sandbox in which everyone interacts), these people fail dismally.
A pirate shooting a hauler is not the pirate telling the hauler not to play that way, or disrespecting the hauler, it is the pirate playing his chosen role in the game. And getting shot at is part of playing the hauler role. (If you don't like it, maybe you should GTFO)
I find it ironic that carebears often say things like 'go play counterstrike' to pirates, since it is exactly this kind of interaction, a pirate shooting a defenceless hauler, which stops EVE from being either counterstrike in space (with only balanced PvP) or microsoft excel in space (with only carebearing). The pirates at least are playing the right game. Some of the carebears seem to be confused.
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Not one person can sit here and tell me they have never been involved in any PvE aspect. If you claim that, you are a liar. Or, you are just too egotistical to admit you have 4 other accounts used to haul, research, build, and mine.
So why tf do you keep calling people "killers" or "pvpers"? The fact is that those people who do both PvE and PvP are the ones playing EvE. Those that only do PvP don't exist according to you, and those that only do PvE are playing the wrong game. Right, that's settled then.
/Ki
Joy to the world Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |

Yifan Ma
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Yifan Ma on 04/07/2007 13:42:52
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Without the "killers" blowing stuff up, why would people ever buy your 1000s of ships?
If you are selling ships, you are gaining directly from someone else losing. You may not have killed that person's previous ship, but you are profiting from it none the less.
And you'd complain about that why? You make no sense to me. You should be thanking the "killers"...
Please, killers need industrialists way more than anyone. You would be no where without our loving t2 builders, the invention people who helped bring prices down... those who spent time in research, running missions, running cosmos, for better standings, better investments, and a better build so you can get cheaper items in more locations.
Players don't need PvPers to lose ships. Let me rephrase that... players don't need PIRATES to lose ships. More players lose ships in willing PvP to defend and protect, than there are players losing ships from ganker pirates.
So they way I look at it, its not about who needs who, its about shutting tfu and minding your own beezwax. Play the style you want, and deal with your actions.
Not one person can sit here and tell me they have never been involved in any PvE aspect. If you claim that, you are a liar. Or, you are just too egotistical to admit you have 4 other accounts used to haul, research, build, and mine.
From your post it's apparent that you're upset, but I don't think there's any real reason to be angry... No one is saying that PvP'ers don't need PvE'ers. Roy was only pointing out that pirating added to the demand for ships. Which is true. What percentage of pvp involves pirating, I can't say. But I would be willing to bet it's a relatively sizeable percentage. I think all roy was trying to say was that "Less demand => Lower Prices = Less Profit" and in that way builders actually benefit to some degree from pirates.
I agree with you that people should play the way they want and deal with their actions. But why don't you want people to talk about it? I see no harm in discussion.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Yifan Ma From your post it's apparent that you're upset, but I don't think there's any real reason to be angry... No one is saying that PvP'ers don't need PvE'ers. Roy was only pointing out that pirating added to the demand for ships. Which is true. What percentage of pvp involves pirating, I can't say. But I would be willing to bet it's a relatively sizeable percentage. I think all roy was trying to say was that "Less demand => Lower Prices = Less Profit" and in that way builders actually benefit to some degree from pirates.
I agree with you that people should play the way they want and deal with their actions. But why don't you want people to talk about it? I see no harm in discussion.
Well, for one, I've played 4+ years and I hear the same crap over and over... its been beat worse than a dead horse. The truth is how you define these terms... and in the end it boils down to people trying to find reason behind what others do... to me, there is no point in that. Its time to accept what we are and move on.
I do EVERYTHING this game has to offer, and that is what we should all like about it. We can do EVERYTHING, or we can do ONE thing. I'm sick and tired of ratting a belt and being called a 'carebear' when half the time I fight to protect my space and half the time I build to put out items/ships for my alliance. Just because a few turds in this game think they are so uberly above all of us simply because they try to shoot as many helpless souls as possible makes me ill. They try to come across as being the base of this game and they are far from it. They are just another role we all play, but instead they see how many of us can play fine and never have to shoot another player. While they choose to shoot people, they still are forced to PvE in some way to be successful. If they want a shooter game, go find something else.
So yes, I am upset at a community of immature a-holes. I don't care what you do, I've lived thru all your bull, and please deal with the choices you made. If you really despise how many here play, then leave. You sit and bark, almost never bite... and when you do, you just bite the hand that feeds ya. So get over yourself.
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus Well, for one, I've played 4+ years and I hear the same crap over and over... its been beat worse than a dead horse. The truth is how you define these terms... and in the end it boils down to people trying to find reason behind what others do... to me, there is no point in that. Its time to accept what we are and move on.
I do EVERYTHING this game has to offer, and that is what we should all like about it. We can do EVERYTHING, or we can do ONE thing. I'm sick and tired of ratting a belt and being called a 'carebear' when half the time I fight to protect my space and half the time I build to put out items/ships for my alliance. Just because a few turds in this game think they are so uberly above all of us simply because they try to shoot as many helpless souls as possible makes me ill. They try to come across as being the base of this game and they are far from it. They are just another role we all play, but instead they see how many of us can play fine and never have to shoot another player. While they choose to shoot people, they still are forced to PvE in some way to be successful. If they want a shooter game, go find something else.
So yes, I am upset at a community of immature a-holes. I don't care what you do, I've lived thru all your bull, and please deal with the choices you made. If you really despise how many here play, then leave. You sit and bark, almost never bite... and when you do, you just bite the hand that feeds ya. So get over yourself.
Well then, you actually agree with the OP and still feel the need to take a tone? The community of a-holes stretch throughout the spectrum of players, and I have found that most of the a-holes are carebears. That's my experience, and obviously you have another, but it still shows that carebears are as good as pirates at smacking and being an idiot.
/Ki
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Well then, you actually agree with the OP and still feel the need to take a tone? The community of a-holes stretch throughout the spectrum of players, and I have found that most of the a-holes are carebears. That's my experience, and obviously you have another, but it still shows that carebears are as good as pirates at smacking and being an idiot.
/Ki
I only agree that people like you need to put your ego down and realize you are a small fish in an abundant ocean of life. And yet again, I get called a carebear for doing the exact same thing you do... which makes you much worse, you're also a hypocrite. But thanks for the props on the smack talk, maybe some day you'll be able to handle it.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Well then, you actually agree with the OP and still feel the need to take a tone? The community of a-holes stretch throughout the spectrum of players, and I have found that most of the a-holes are carebears. That's my experience, and obviously you have another, but it still shows that carebears are as good as pirates at smacking and being an idiot.
/Ki
Cliche. I only see so-called non-carebears cussing the carebears in this thread.  --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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The Mantra
Caldari Knights of Sovereignty United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:19:00 -
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Problems: Many obsessed with PVP expect to be able to gank industrialists.
Many obsessed with being industrialists etc. expect to be able to avoid ganks by PVPers.
Neither of these are correct 
The OP seems to state that PVPers are prepared to understand carebears, but not vice-versa. I disagree - afraid it works both ways.
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