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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:09:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Pfft they don't need people farming PLEXes, they just need players dumb enough to fly them in a cargo to anywhere.
And btw if you were to consider the size of CCP, give each one of them a salary, and then you apply all of the other costs for offices, utilities, and the costs of running the servers and hosing special events, CCP really does have a fairly tight budget.
$15 x 12 months x 300,000 accounts = $54 million annually 580 ppl x $80k yearly salary on avg = $46.4 million annually that's only 7.6 million to spend on things like Fanfest, hosting alliance tournament, super interwebz bandwidth, offices and utilities for said offices in 4 locations around the globe, server maintenance and upgrades, etc etc
And that's AFTER the 20% layoff, so CCP is running tight
The Tea Lady and The Janitor are on 80k?? Wow.... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1427
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:18:00 -
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CCP gives me free PLEX just for posting. Is that a conspiracy? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kasidis
Noble Company
6
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:19:00 -
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"So,how does it feel...?"
What are you Bob Dylan or something? |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP gives me free PLEX just for posting. Is that a conspiracy? They thought coz you *****, moan and tear shreds off pubbie posts that you waz a mod. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
38
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:30:00 -
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I don't think he knows that CCP is a business. Their aim is to make as much money as they can through any means necessary. I'm going to gauge his age at:
*drum roll*
12! Go back to playing with MLP dolls or whatever you young girls do these days. |
Alara IonStorm
1326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:36:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:I don't think he knows that CCP is a business. Their aim is to make as much money as they can through any means necessary. I'm going to gauge his age at:
*drum roll*
12! Go back to playing with MLP dolls or whatever you young girls do these days. Don't knock MLP.
That show is awesome!
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Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:54:00 -
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The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread?
Ok but maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet
PS: Don't even get me started on the russian vodka thing as well, we know where that went last time... |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
71
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:56:00 -
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This isn't even close to the real conspiracy stuff, where it the Russian mob, the Illuminati banks, and all the other stuff from six months ago? Now THERE was a good conspiracy story. This isn't even a weekday afternoon family special level story. Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:59:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:This isn't even close to the real conspiracy stuff, where it the Russian mob, the Illuminati banks, and all the other stuff from six months ago? Now THERE was a good conspiracy story. This isn't even a weekday afternoon family special level story.
I didn't have the heart to get into it, sorry but I'd rather stick to boring evidence and numbers.
If it gets me killed irl, I'll make sure the community hears about it. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:03:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread.
But maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet.
You do realize that CCP releases financials every year?
Allegations like you are making require evidence, which you have yet to disclose. If you did have any evidence (you don't), the forums are not the place to discuss this, which makes you a terrible troll, and/or an idiot.
Again, I implore you, stop with the drugs, learn about how for-profit businesses work, and if you feel you are being slighted or defrauded by CCP, cancel your sub immediately. Otherwise you risk being prosecuted as a knowing participant in fraudulent activity.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:18:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread.
But maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet. You do realize that CCP releases financials every year? Allegations like you are making require evidence, which you have yet to disclose. If you did have any evidence (you don't), the forums are not the place to discuss this, which makes you a terrible troll, and/or an idiot. Again, I implore you, stop with the drugs, learn about how for-profit businesses work, and if you feel you are being slighted or defrauded by CCP, cancel your sub immediately. Otherwise you risk being prosecuted as a knowing participant in fraudulent activity.
Yes we're done here.
It's an important enough concern to keep the community in check about it from time to time, should any bits valuable info leak out by mishap. Dev's attitudes towards the issue have so far been very mysterious, to say the least:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21066
I will not go public on the howto's of gathering such core evidence ingame, but it should come as pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain. We could continue this chat privately if you wish.
Regards, |
Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation The I.D.E.A.
20
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:38:00 -
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Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!
Oh ****!
Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!
Clearly we can't have that.
On a more serious note:
GO AWAY. |
Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:46:00 -
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Kaylyis wrote:Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!
Oh ****!
Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!
Clearly we can't have that.
On a more serious note:
GO AWAY.
You misunderstood.
Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1427
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:53:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. Please tell us more about how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation The I.D.E.A.
20
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:55:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Kaylyis wrote:Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!
Oh ****!
Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!
Clearly we can't have that.
On a more serious note:
GO AWAY. You misunderstood. Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx
You made a buncha hush-hush allegations of financial misconduct implying a lot and proving nothing with evidence. hence I consider taking these allegations seriously a waste of my time, hence mockery. Third, I would point out that CCP's Headquarters is based in Iceland. So i'd doublecheck my facts and legalese there before allegations of misconduct are bandied about, as the primary financial transactions for EVE online are brokered there.
Finally, PLEX and problems with botters as a means of laundering money, quite serious, and in most places felonious, allegations brought to bear. Without evidence to support your claim, you are enacting what civil courts define as slander and libel. Both are considered actionable in court should damage be done to the corporation's image, customer base or finances.
So, in conclusion, you are either clueless or you're stirring up ****. I'm betting the latter. The burden of proof does pretty much lie with the accuser among the trolls and crackheads (myself included) on the EVE forums. You provide no proof. If you truly believe there is such misconduct you are free to disassociate yourself from the game by unsubbing and taking this crap elsewhere.
We have enough problems with **** that needs to be fixed to make the game more smooth and functional without this threadcrap being smeared on the walls. |
Alara IonStorm
1326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:55:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote: You misunderstood.
In her defense insanity is difficult thing to wrap your head around.
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Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation The I.D.E.A.
20
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:59:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Goe Rilla wrote: You misunderstood.
In her defense insanity is difficult thing to wrap your head around.
This |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
38
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:59:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Please tell us more about how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children.
Well. like the thing when you buy the stuff and the people all something and CCP are profit and dinosaurs and conspiracy theories with the tin foil hat and JFK and 9/11 and then Abraham Lincoln and that's how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children. |
Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:08:00 -
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Kaylyis wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Kaylyis wrote:Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!
Oh ****!
Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!
Clearly we can't have that.
On a more serious note:
GO AWAY. You misunderstood. Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx You made a buncha hush-hush allegations of financial misconduct implying a lot and proving nothing with evidence. hence I consider taking these allegations seriously a waste of my time, hence mockery. Third, I would point out that CCP's Headquarters is based in Iceland. So i'd doublecheck my facts and legalese there before allegations of misconduct are bandied about, as the primary financial transactions for EVE online are brokered there. Finally, PLEX and problems with botters as a means of laundering money, quite serious, and in most places felonious, allegations brought to bear. Without evidence to support your claim, you are enacting what civil courts define as slander and libel. Both are considered actionable in court should damage be done to the corporation's image, customer base or finances. So, in conclusion, you are either clueless or you're stirring up ****. I'm betting the latter. The burden of proof does pretty much lie with the accuser among the trolls and crackheads (myself included) on the EVE forums. You provide no proof. If you truly believe there is such misconduct you are free to disassociate yourself from the game by unsubbing and taking this crap elsewhere. We have enough problems with **** that needs to be fixed to make the game more smooth and functional without this threadcrap being smeared on the walls.
If you have the faintest idea on how to look for such evidence, risen from a general and legitimate suspicion of the community at the inapparent actiontaking from the company, feel free to PM me about it.
Otherwise you're right, I've already stated above that I wouldn't continue this train of unsupported thought publically. |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
42
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:11:00 -
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http://youtu.be/2UxW62wFQA4 |
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Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:12:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. Please tell us more about how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children.
Glad you've finally taken some interest. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:15:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:In playing your part as human merchandise under CCP's carefully planned out RL profit-making scheme, ie:
-PLEX. -Bots. -Limitless alt system.
Im curious, does CCP maintain a scpecific horde of players ingame farming Plex for them which they sell back to their playerbase?
Isn't this entire circle, at the same time detrimental to the game and its playerbase as ingame prices rise and 0.0 alt corps take over entire regions, blobing with 30+ capfleets and Titan bridges every single time...
Hmm? Where is this all really going CCP? To make as much pride in money before planet earth burns to a crisp from our mutual contempt, greed and stupidity?
So, let us make this thread the official congratulate CCP on their ruthless and cynical attitudes to life, like the good ponzies they are.
*claps slowly* Though I appreciate the idealism which inspires your post, and I understand the philosophy behind it, I feel compelled to mention "the laborer is worthy of his hire." If CCP runs a business with a satisfied clientele, it's hardly anyone else's concern unless they're in violation of law, ethics or morality - the last two being vulnerable to arbitrary judgement call. Your vitriol and ad hominem assault doesn't situate you well when trying to make that judgement call. What puts CCP on the moral high ground here is, they apparently are providing what satisfies their CUSTOMERS ("playerbase" seeming to connote a holier-than-thou constabulatory above the ways and methods of us common folk). Were they not, guess what? They'd have gone out of business.
My suggestion to you is: Shop somewhere else.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1427
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:17:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. Please tell us more about how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children. Glad you've finally taken some interest. That's not much of an explanation.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
309
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:22:00 -
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Bah, you just taking away what I said A LONG TIME AGO in the eve forums! ... in post number 18.
The fact you bring it up is not new.
IT MIGHT exist here or all MMO's for that matter, that doesnt stop making eve more or less of anything.
If you pretend it to be a Ponzi scheme, there must be a beneficiary expecting increased returns off a proposal that implies it will give future dividends, and anyone knows it's not gonna happen, despite all the value we give to our virtual assets.
If any half decent MMO player believed this no one would play after they quit their first game for that matter.
Your post lacks originality but 2 points for saying it's a ponzi scheme despite any real basis.
2/10
Also I give myself +1 point for realizing SWTOR was going to be a piece of steaming crap, like the solo friendly game it is now.
Edit: Following my logic of about a year and a half ago, perhaps Incarna was a ploy to launder/dissapear certain unexplainable assets off CCP's coffers? Marking them as gone with the crash? (ohhhhhh, the plot thickens) ... see, I already made your thread better, feel free to continue off it. Also, apple pie. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:27:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Also I give myself +1 point for realizing SWTOR was going to be a piece of steaming crap*, like the solo friendly game it is now. Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.
I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.
-10 for anal/cranial inversion.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
39
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:29:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.
I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.
-10 for anal/cranial inversion. How's /getdown going for you? |
Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:45:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote: If you pretend it to be a Ponzi scheme, there must be a beneficiary expecting increased returns off a proposal that implies it will give future dividends, and anyone knows it's not gonna happen, despite all the value we give to our virtual assets.
If any half decent MMO player believed this no one would play after they quit their first game for that matter.
Nice spin on that assumption bro. Last time I checked, Eve's grown steady into that secured future, with an innovative hybrid to be launched on console soon...
Quote:Your post lacks originality but 2 points for saying it's a ponzi scheme despite any real basis.
Forming a real basis fur such allegations would require a certain market survey to be made ingame, and for that would require connections spanning accross the whole underground RMT ring. You seriously expected me, some random *******, to have that kind of information on hand?
Of course not, and neither would CCP consider that much. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:49:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.
I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.
-10 for anal/cranial inversion. How's /getdown going for you? You bother with emotes? I thought that was to entertain the 12-year olds.
Goe Rilla...you have no point. Get a clue. That may lead you to a POINT.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Liam Mirren
178
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:50:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Goe Rilla wrote: Multiply that ammount by active subscribers per year. Add it to legal realmoney Plex buyers per year. Add it to unofficial realmoney Plex buyers per year.
Compare total ammount with CCP's annual expenses.
Just enough to keep Eve running and ingame prices rising?
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
You see and decide. Good luck.
You think this is a bad thing. I play because I enjoy EVE. Do you not enjoy EVE? If they want to profit off this game that is fine with me. As long as they continue their new trend to fix broken mechanics which they are doin, I am perfectly happy to enjoy EVE. If they fail to do so I will quit. If you see deeper meaning in this then feel free to leave as I did after Incarna.
+1
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
35
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:53:00 -
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You seem to be forgetting that multiple accounts in EVE do not pay with money, but with PLEX; so you actually don't have 300K accounts paying ~$15 a month. You have some ~100K Accounts paying with PLEX bought for ISK in game, while some percentage the ~200K other accounts paying ~$15 a month pay for those PLEX.
Net result: Excessive market supply of PLEX, PLEX losses due to in-game ganks on ships carrying PLEX in cargo, and Player usage of PLEX for game time or Aurum conversion results in ~ 300K accounts paying ~15 a month, with a little extra income from Aurum conversion.
Once a PLEX is purchased, it's only return is use for game time or aurum conversion. There are still only ~300K subscribers in this scenario; so how do you get extra income for all this.
People won't buy PLEX if they don't need it, or plan on holding it for future use based on market speculation and current finances.
TL;DR: Aside from Aurum, and a slightly higher cost per 30 days game time; PLEX doesn't generate any additional revenue. |
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