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Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:36:00 -
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In playing your part as human merchandise under CCP's carefully planned out RL profit-making scheme, ie:
-PLEX. -Bots. -Limitless alt system.
Im curious, does CCP maintain a scpecific horde of players ingame farming Plex for them which they sell back to their playerbase?
Isn't this entire circle, at the same time detrimental to the game and its playerbase as ingame prices rise and 0.0 alt corps take over entire regions, blobing with 30+ capfleets and Titan bridges every single time...
Hmm? Where is this all really going CCP? To make as much pride in money before planet earth burns to a crisp from our mutual contempt, greed and stupidity?
So, let us make this thread the official congratulate CCP on their ruthless and cynical attitudes to life, like the good ponzies they are.
*claps slowly* |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
929
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:43:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:In playing your part as human merchandise under CCP's carefully planned out RL profit-making scheme, ie:
-PLEX. -Bots. -Limitless alt system.
Im curious, does CCP maintain a scpecific horde of players ingame farming Plex for them which they sell back to their playerbase?
Isn't this entire circle, at the same time detrimental to the game and its playerbase as ingame prices rise and 0.0 alt corps take over entire regions, blobing with 30+ capfleets and Titan bridges every single time...
Hmm? Where is this all really going CCP? To make as much pride in money before planet earth burns to a crisp from our mutual contempt, greed and stupidity?
So, let us make this thread the official congratulate CCP on their ruthless and cynical attitudes to life, like the good ponzies they are.
*claps slowly*
Soz about Branch, WN alt. Better luck next time.
Oh, and complaints about RL profit-making from WNdot.. the irony! |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:47:00 -
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Strong the butthurt is in this one, yesss.
4/10
I am docking 6 points because no ragequit. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:59:00 -
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Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. |

Jaa-Ko Arakal
Dogmatic Citizens NZAU Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:01:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well.
wut? |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
203
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:01:00 -
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Feels pretty decent. Not too shabby. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:03:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well.
Is that code for something? It's tough to keep up with you kids and your newfangled jargon these days. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Alara IonStorm
1324
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:03:00 -
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I pay $15 a month for a Space Ship Video Game.
I did of know I was getting a web of paranoia and conspiracies with it.
Such a great value. |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:04:00 -
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Jaa-Ko Arakal wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. wut?
You accept this condition you're in, under the pretense of playing a sci-fi game, but they have you by the balls haven't they? |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:09:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Jaa-Ko Arakal wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. wut? You accept this condition you're in under the pretense of playing a sci-fi game, but they have you by the balls haven't they?
Probably relevant to the OP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24
/my balls are cradled gently between the loving hands of my wife, Morgan Fairchild. But thanks for asking. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:09:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I pay $15 a month for a Space Ship Video Game.
I did of know I was getting a web of paranoia and conspiracies with it.
Such a great value.
You still pay for this game every month?
lol |

Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
42
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:10:00 -
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dude is dialed in |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:14:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Jaa-Ko Arakal wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. wut? You accept this condition you're in under the pretense of playing a sci-fi game, but they have you by the balls haven't they? Probably relevant to the OP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24/my balls are cradled gently between the loving hands of my wife, Morgan Fairchild. But thanks for asking.
Unless I see evidence of Eve's server infrastructre and CCP company expenses requiring that specific profit-making scheme to keep running, I'll remain with the ponzi-scheme. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
203
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:16:00 -
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I used to believe in corporate conspiracy theories like you......then I took an arrow to the knee 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:21:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I used to believe in corporate conspiracy theories like you......then I took an arrow to the knee 
Nice sig |

Jaehawn
AirHogs Zulu People
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:23:00 -
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The weed is strong with this one. |

Alara IonStorm
1324
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:23:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote: You still pay for this game every month?
lol
Of course.
I don't feel the need to have 10+ accounts to be good, Alara is fine. I am good just shooting folks with my space guns without a ton of duel boxes to make me "good" at the game.
I don't have to farm up Plex, I decide when I play and when I don't.
If $15 is to much for you is kinda sad.
Goe Rilla wrote: but they have you by the balls haven't they?
Yes they have the awesome power to make me stop paying and go play another game at anytime. |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:29:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Goe Rilla wrote: You still pay for this game every month?
lol
Of course. I don't feel the need to have 10+ accounts to be good, Alara is fine. I don't have to farm up Plex, I decide when I play and when I don't. If $15 is to much for that is kinda sad. Goe Rilla wrote: but they have you by the balls haven't they?
Yes they have the awesome power to make me stop paying and go play another game at anytime.
Multiply that ammount by active subscribers per year. Add it to legal realmoney Plex buyers per year. Add it to unofficial realmoney Plex buyers per year.
Compare total ammount with CCP's annual expenses.
Just enough to keep Eve running whilst ingame prices rising?
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
You see and decide. Keep coming back and Good luck. |

Alara IonStorm
1324
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:33:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote: Multiply that ammount by active subscribers per year. Add it to legal realmoney Plex buyers per year. Add it to unofficial realmoney Plex buyers per year.
Compare total ammount with CCP's annual expenses.
Just enough to keep Eve running and ingame prices rising?
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
You see and decide. Good luck.
You think this is a bad thing.
I play because I enjoy EVE. Do you not enjoy EVE?
If they want to profit of this game that is fine with me.
As long as they continue their new trend to fix broken mechanics which they are doin I am perfectly happy to enjoy EVE.
If they fail to to so I will quit.
If you see deeper meaning in this then feel free to leave as I did after Incarna.
|

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:34:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
Their profits were so obscene they recently had to fire 20% of their staff to stay in business. Or is that also a part of your conspiracy theory?
Dude, step away from the bong, or start passing it around. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Flakey Foont
Republic University Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:38:00 -
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Nice to see you are having fun! |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:38:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Goe Rilla wrote: Multiply that ammount by active subscribers per year. Add it to legal realmoney Plex buyers per year. Add it to unofficial realmoney Plex buyers per year.
Compare total ammount with CCP's annual expenses.
Just enough to keep Eve running and ingame prices rising?
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
You see and decide. Good luck.
You think this is a bad thing. I play because I enjoy EVE. Do you not enjoy EVE? If they want to profit of this game that is fine with me. As long as they continue their new trend to fix broken mechanics which they are doin I am perfectly happy to enjoy EVE. If they fail to to so I will quit. If you see deeper meaning in this then feel free to leave as I did after Incarna.
I do enjoy Eve, and CCP knows it above all. They made it so it would be an enjoyable, complex and longlasting experience, whilst in the meantime, they use you and treat you like oil merchandise to fund private gains, which you end up paying for with your time and money. You think they gave a **** about you from the begining? Hell no, this is capital and for as long as you play their game, you willingly subject yourself to a tyranny which you weren't fully aware of originally. |

Fondon
Horizon in MOTION
24
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:40:00 -
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Would you comfort me Would you cry with me;
Ahh, ahh, ahh-ah ahh, ahh-ah ahh, ahh-ah ahh, ahh-ah Ahh, ahh, ahh-ah ahh, ahh-ah ahh, ahh-ah ahh, ahh-ah
|

Alara IonStorm
1324
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:43:00 -
[24] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote: They made it so it would be an enjoyable, complex and longlasting experience,
So it is a good game.
Goe Rilla wrote: whilst in the meantime, they use you and treat you like oil merchandise to fund private gains,
Of course they do I am giving them money.
Goe Rilla wrote: which you end up paying for with your time and money.
Money yes, my time is of course my own. I use it to enjoy EVE.
Goe Rilla wrote: You think they gave a **** about you from the begining? Hell no, this is capital.
Of course not they are a business. Do you demand a hug from every store clerk? If the product does not meet the quality of fun I demand they find out how little a **** I give about them. They are just entertainment.
Their is no problem here. Make the game fun and I will pay them. Don't do that and I won't. Not going to expect them to play happy grab ass with me while they do it. |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:49:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
Their profits were so obscene they recently had to fire 20% of their staff to stay in business. Or is that also a part of your conspiracy theory? Dude, step away from the bong, or start passing it around.
A natural thing to happen when you grow and invest too large in effect...on expensive things the majority of your playerbase doesn't give a **** about also... |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:56:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Goe Rilla wrote: They made it so it would be an enjoyable, complex and longlasting experience,
So it is a good game. Goe Rilla wrote: whilst in the meantime, they use you and treat you like oil merchandise to fund private gains,
Of course they do I am giving them money. Goe Rilla wrote: which you end up paying for with your time and money.
Money yes, my time is of course my own. I use it to enjoy EVE. Goe Rilla wrote: You think they gave a **** about you from the begining? Hell no, this is capital.
Of course not they are a business. Do you demand a hug from every store clerk? If the product does not meet the quality of fun I demand they find out how little a **** I give about them. They are just entertainment. Their is no problem here. Make the game fun and I will pay them. Don't do that and I won't. Not going to expect them to play happy grab ass with me while they do it.
It is the fact that not only does the clerk take the money from you, he uses the fact that many like you use his service to bring even more money in implicitly whilst condemning it publically at the same time.
You dont see ponzi biggotry? |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:59:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
Their profits were so obscene they recently had to fire 20% of their staff to stay in business. Or is that also a part of your conspiracy theory? Dude, step away from the bong, or start passing it around. A natural thing to happen when you grow and invest too large in effect...on expensive things the majority of your playerbase doesn't give a **** about...
You will get no argument from me on that specific concept, I all but predicted as much a few years ago in the old forums, and railed at CCP for buying Whitewolf, and trying to build 3 games making us the paying beta testers for one of them using the revenue of just EVE subscribers.
But, they finally learned maybe, the hard way. We'll see what they do vs what they say they will do.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Xercodo
Train Brigade
778
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:00:00 -
[28] - Quote
Pfft they don't need people farming PLEXes, they just need players dumb enough to fly them in a cargo to anywhere.
And btw if you were to consider the size of CCP, give each one of them a salary, and then you apply all of the other costs for offices, utilities, and the costs of running the servers and hosing special events, CCP really does have a fairly tight budget.
$15 x 12 months x 300,000 accounts = $54 million annually 580 ppl x $80k yearly salary on avg = $46.4 million annually that's only 7.6 million to spend on things like Fanfest, hosting alliance tournament, super interwebz bandwidth, offices and utilities for said offices in 4 locations around the globe, server maintenance and upgrades, etc etc
And that's AFTER the 20% layoff, so CCP is running tight
The Drake is a Lie |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:06:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
Their profits were so obscene they recently had to fire 20% of their staff to stay in business. Or is that also a part of your conspiracy theory? Dude, step away from the bong, or start passing it around. A natural thing to happen when you grow and invest too large in effect...on expensive things the majority of your playerbase doesn't give a **** about... You will get no argument from me on that specific concept, I all but predicted as much a few years ago in the old forums, and railed at CCP for buying Whitewolf, and trying to build 3 games making us the paying beta testers for one of them using the revenue of just EVE subscribers. But, they finally learned maybe, the hard way. We'll see what they do vs what they say they will do.
I heard they're on a tight budget, but from subs revenue only.
One REALLY wonders where all that money to fund so many other projects simultaneously could've come from...
Knowing player to player Plex mechanics in Eve, sub revenues can only be the tip of the iceberg. |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:09:00 -
[30] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Pfft they don't need people farming PLEXes, they just need players dumb enough to fly them in a cargo to anywhere.
And btw if you were to consider the size of CCP, give each one of them a salary, and then you apply all of the other costs for offices, utilities, and the costs of running the servers and hosing special events, CCP really does have a fairly tight budget.
$15 x 12 months x 300,000 accounts = $54 million annually 580 ppl x $80k yearly salary on avg = $46.4 million annually that's only 7.6 million to spend on things like Fanfest, hosting alliance tournament, super interwebz bandwidth, offices and utilities for said offices in 4 locations around the globe, server maintenance and upgrades, etc etc
And that's AFTER the 20% layoff, so CCP is running tight
Yea, that's just subs.
And we both know the Plex market's real value next to it. But it's all hushhush. I forsee impending threadlock, should angry whistleblowers bring in some VERY inconvenient numbers... |

met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:09:00 -
[31] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Pfft they don't need people farming PLEXes, they just need players dumb enough to fly them in a cargo to anywhere.
And btw if you were to consider the size of CCP, give each one of them a salary, and then you apply all of the other costs for offices, utilities, and the costs of running the servers and hosing special events, CCP really does have a fairly tight budget.
$15 x 12 months x 300,000 accounts = $54 million annually 580 ppl x $80k yearly salary on avg = $46.4 million annually that's only 7.6 million to spend on things like Fanfest, hosting alliance tournament, super interwebz bandwidth, offices and utilities for said offices in 4 locations around the globe, server maintenance and upgrades, etc etc
And that's AFTER the 20% layoff, so CCP is running tight
The Tea Lady and The Janitor are on 80k?? Wow.... |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1427
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:18:00 -
[32] - Quote
CCP gives me free PLEX just for posting. Is that a conspiracy? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Kasidis
Noble Company
6
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:19:00 -
[33] - Quote
"So,how does it feel...?"
What are you Bob Dylan or something? |

met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:19:00 -
[34] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP gives me free PLEX just for posting. Is that a conspiracy? They thought coz you *****, moan and tear shreds off pubbie posts that you waz a mod. |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
38
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:30:00 -
[35] - Quote
I don't think he knows that CCP is a business. Their aim is to make as much money as they can through any means necessary. I'm going to gauge his age at:
*drum roll*
12! Go back to playing with MLP dolls or whatever you young girls do these days. |

Alara IonStorm
1326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:36:00 -
[36] - Quote
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:I don't think he knows that CCP is a business. Their aim is to make as much money as they can through any means necessary. I'm going to gauge his age at:
*drum roll*
12! Go back to playing with MLP dolls or whatever you young girls do these days. Don't knock MLP.
That show is awesome!
|

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:54:00 -
[37] - Quote
The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread?
Ok but maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet
PS: Don't even get me started on the russian vodka thing as well, we know where that went last time... |

MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
71
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:56:00 -
[38] - Quote
This isn't even close to the real conspiracy stuff, where it the Russian mob, the Illuminati banks, and all the other stuff from six months ago? Now THERE was a good conspiracy story. This isn't even a weekday afternoon family special level story. Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:59:00 -
[39] - Quote
MadMuppet wrote:This isn't even close to the real conspiracy stuff, where it the Russian mob, the Illuminati banks, and all the other stuff from six months ago? Now THERE was a good conspiracy story. This isn't even a weekday afternoon family special level story.
I didn't have the heart to get into it, sorry but I'd rather stick to boring evidence and numbers.
If it gets me killed irl, I'll make sure the community hears about it. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:03:00 -
[40] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread.
But maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet.
You do realize that CCP releases financials every year?
Allegations like you are making require evidence, which you have yet to disclose. If you did have any evidence (you don't), the forums are not the place to discuss this, which makes you a terrible troll, and/or an idiot.
Again, I implore you, stop with the drugs, learn about how for-profit businesses work, and if you feel you are being slighted or defrauded by CCP, cancel your sub immediately. Otherwise you risk being prosecuted as a knowing participant in fraudulent activity.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:18:00 -
[41] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread.
But maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet. You do realize that CCP releases financials every year? Allegations like you are making require evidence, which you have yet to disclose. If you did have any evidence (you don't), the forums are not the place to discuss this, which makes you a terrible troll, and/or an idiot. Again, I implore you, stop with the drugs, learn about how for-profit businesses work, and if you feel you are being slighted or defrauded by CCP, cancel your sub immediately. Otherwise you risk being prosecuted as a knowing participant in fraudulent activity.
Yes we're done here.
It's an important enough concern to keep the community in check about it from time to time, should any bits valuable info leak out by mishap. Dev's attitudes towards the issue have so far been very mysterious, to say the least:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21066
I will not go public on the howto's of gathering such core evidence ingame, but it should come as pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain. We could continue this chat privately if you wish.
Regards, |

Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation The I.D.E.A.
20
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:38:00 -
[42] - Quote
Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!
Oh ****!
Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!
Clearly we can't have that.
On a more serious note:
GO AWAY. |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:46:00 -
[43] - Quote
Kaylyis wrote:Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!
Oh ****!
Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!
Clearly we can't have that.
On a more serious note:
GO AWAY.
You misunderstood.
Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx
|

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1427
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:53:00 -
[44] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. Please tell us more about how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation The I.D.E.A.
20
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:55:00 -
[45] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:Kaylyis wrote:Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!
Oh ****!
Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!
Clearly we can't have that.
On a more serious note:
GO AWAY. You misunderstood. Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx
You made a buncha hush-hush allegations of financial misconduct implying a lot and proving nothing with evidence. hence I consider taking these allegations seriously a waste of my time, hence mockery. Third, I would point out that CCP's Headquarters is based in Iceland. So i'd doublecheck my facts and legalese there before allegations of misconduct are bandied about, as the primary financial transactions for EVE online are brokered there.
Finally, PLEX and problems with botters as a means of laundering money, quite serious, and in most places felonious, allegations brought to bear. Without evidence to support your claim, you are enacting what civil courts define as slander and libel. Both are considered actionable in court should damage be done to the corporation's image, customer base or finances.
So, in conclusion, you are either clueless or you're stirring up ****. I'm betting the latter. The burden of proof does pretty much lie with the accuser among the trolls and crackheads (myself included) on the EVE forums. You provide no proof. If you truly believe there is such misconduct you are free to disassociate yourself from the game by unsubbing and taking this crap elsewhere.
We have enough problems with **** that needs to be fixed to make the game more smooth and functional without this threadcrap being smeared on the walls. |

Alara IonStorm
1326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:55:00 -
[46] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote: You misunderstood.
In her defense insanity is difficult thing to wrap your head around.
|

Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation The I.D.E.A.
20
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:59:00 -
[47] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Goe Rilla wrote: You misunderstood.
In her defense insanity is difficult thing to wrap your head around.
This |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
38
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Please tell us more about how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children.
Well. like the thing when you buy the stuff and the people all something and CCP are profit and dinosaurs and conspiracy theories with the tin foil hat and JFK and 9/11 and then Abraham Lincoln and that's how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children. |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:08:00 -
[49] - Quote
Kaylyis wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Kaylyis wrote:Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!
Oh ****!
Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!
Clearly we can't have that.
On a more serious note:
GO AWAY. You misunderstood. Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx You made a buncha hush-hush allegations of financial misconduct implying a lot and proving nothing with evidence. hence I consider taking these allegations seriously a waste of my time, hence mockery. Third, I would point out that CCP's Headquarters is based in Iceland. So i'd doublecheck my facts and legalese there before allegations of misconduct are bandied about, as the primary financial transactions for EVE online are brokered there. Finally, PLEX and problems with botters as a means of laundering money, quite serious, and in most places felonious, allegations brought to bear. Without evidence to support your claim, you are enacting what civil courts define as slander and libel. Both are considered actionable in court should damage be done to the corporation's image, customer base or finances. So, in conclusion, you are either clueless or you're stirring up ****. I'm betting the latter. The burden of proof does pretty much lie with the accuser among the trolls and crackheads (myself included) on the EVE forums. You provide no proof. If you truly believe there is such misconduct you are free to disassociate yourself from the game by unsubbing and taking this crap elsewhere. We have enough problems with **** that needs to be fixed to make the game more smooth and functional without this threadcrap being smeared on the walls.
If you have the faintest idea on how to look for such evidence, risen from a general and legitimate suspicion of the community at the inapparent actiontaking from the company, feel free to PM me about it.
Otherwise you're right, I've already stated above that I wouldn't continue this train of unsupported thought publically. |

Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
42
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:11:00 -
[50] - Quote
http://youtu.be/2UxW62wFQA4 |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:12:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. Please tell us more about how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children.
Glad you've finally taken some interest.  |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:15:00 -
[52] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:In playing your part as human merchandise under CCP's carefully planned out RL profit-making scheme, ie:
-PLEX. -Bots. -Limitless alt system.
Im curious, does CCP maintain a scpecific horde of players ingame farming Plex for them which they sell back to their playerbase?
Isn't this entire circle, at the same time detrimental to the game and its playerbase as ingame prices rise and 0.0 alt corps take over entire regions, blobing with 30+ capfleets and Titan bridges every single time...
Hmm? Where is this all really going CCP? To make as much pride in money before planet earth burns to a crisp from our mutual contempt, greed and stupidity?
So, let us make this thread the official congratulate CCP on their ruthless and cynical attitudes to life, like the good ponzies they are.
*claps slowly* Though I appreciate the idealism which inspires your post, and I understand the philosophy behind it, I feel compelled to mention "the laborer is worthy of his hire." If CCP runs a business with a satisfied clientele, it's hardly anyone else's concern unless they're in violation of law, ethics or morality - the last two being vulnerable to arbitrary judgement call. Your vitriol and ad hominem assault doesn't situate you well when trying to make that judgement call. What puts CCP on the moral high ground here is, they apparently are providing what satisfies their CUSTOMERS ("playerbase" seeming to connote a holier-than-thou constabulatory above the ways and methods of us common folk). Were they not, guess what? They'd have gone out of business.
My suggestion to you is: Shop somewhere else.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1427
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:17:00 -
[53] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Well sure who cares...
And I suppose, never in a million years would you ever consider yourselves capable of buttraping your own kids as well. Please tell us more about how buying a PLEX is just like buttraping children. Glad you've finally taken some interest.  That's not much of an explanation.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
309
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
Bah, you just taking away what I said A LONG TIME AGO in the eve forums! ... in post number 18.
The fact you bring it up is not new.
IT MIGHT exist here or all MMO's for that matter, that doesnt stop making eve more or less of anything.
If you pretend it to be a Ponzi scheme, there must be a beneficiary expecting increased returns off a proposal that implies it will give future dividends, and anyone knows it's not gonna happen, despite all the value we give to our virtual assets.
If any half decent MMO player believed this no one would play after they quit their first game for that matter.
Your post lacks originality but 2 points for saying it's a ponzi scheme despite any real basis.
2/10
Also I give myself +1 point for realizing SWTOR was going to be a piece of steaming crap, like the solo friendly game it is now.
Edit: Following my logic of about a year and a half ago, perhaps Incarna was a ploy to launder/dissapear certain unexplainable assets off CCP's coffers? Marking them as gone with the crash? (ohhhhhh, the plot thickens) ... see, I already made your thread better, feel free to continue off it. Also, apple pie. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:27:00 -
[55] - Quote
Brujo Loco wrote:Also I give myself +1 point for realizing SWTOR was going to be a piece of steaming crap*, like the solo friendly game it is now. Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.
I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.
-10 for anal/cranial inversion.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
39
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:29:00 -
[56] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.
I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.
-10 for anal/cranial inversion. How's /getdown going for you?  |

Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:45:00 -
[57] - Quote
Brujo Loco wrote: If you pretend it to be a Ponzi scheme, there must be a beneficiary expecting increased returns off a proposal that implies it will give future dividends, and anyone knows it's not gonna happen, despite all the value we give to our virtual assets.
If any half decent MMO player believed this no one would play after they quit their first game for that matter.
Nice spin on that assumption bro. Last time I checked, Eve's grown steady into that secured future, with an innovative hybrid to be launched on console soon...
Quote:Your post lacks originality but 2 points for saying it's a ponzi scheme despite any real basis.
Forming a real basis fur such allegations would require a certain market survey to be made ingame, and for that would require connections spanning accross the whole underground RMT ring. You seriously expected me, some random *******, to have that kind of information on hand?
Of course not, and neither would CCP consider that much. |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:49:00 -
[58] - Quote
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.
I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.
-10 for anal/cranial inversion. How's /getdown going for you?  You bother with emotes? I thought that was to entertain the 12-year olds.
Goe Rilla...you have no point. Get a clue. That may lead you to a POINT.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |

Liam Mirren
178
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:50:00 -
[59] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Goe Rilla wrote: Multiply that ammount by active subscribers per year. Add it to legal realmoney Plex buyers per year. Add it to unofficial realmoney Plex buyers per year.
Compare total ammount with CCP's annual expenses.
Just enough to keep Eve running and ingame prices rising?
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
You see and decide. Good luck.
You think this is a bad thing. I play because I enjoy EVE. Do you not enjoy EVE? If they want to profit off this game that is fine with me. As long as they continue their new trend to fix broken mechanics which they are doin, I am perfectly happy to enjoy EVE. If they fail to do so I will quit. If you see deeper meaning in this then feel free to leave as I did after Incarna.
+1
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |

Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
35
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:53:00 -
[60] - Quote
You seem to be forgetting that multiple accounts in EVE do not pay with money, but with PLEX; so you actually don't have 300K accounts paying ~$15 a month. You have some ~100K Accounts paying with PLEX bought for ISK in game, while some percentage the ~200K other accounts paying ~$15 a month pay for those PLEX.
Net result: Excessive market supply of PLEX, PLEX losses due to in-game ganks on ships carrying PLEX in cargo, and Player usage of PLEX for game time or Aurum conversion results in ~ 300K accounts paying ~15 a month, with a little extra income from Aurum conversion.
Once a PLEX is purchased, it's only return is use for game time or aurum conversion. There are still only ~300K subscribers in this scenario; so how do you get extra income for all this.
People won't buy PLEX if they don't need it, or plan on holding it for future use based on market speculation and current finances.
TL;DR: Aside from Aurum, and a slightly higher cost per 30 days game time; PLEX doesn't generate any additional revenue. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
202
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:54:00 -
[61] - Quote
You got more than a single page of responses, congratulations! You had to keep responding, though. so -1 for that.
9/10 |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
39
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:56:00 -
[62] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:You bother with emotes? I thought that was to entertain the 12-year olds. I bother with emotes that are game breaking.
Games On Net wrote: If you're unfamiliar with the exploit, using the /getdown command mid-battle interrupts the enemy's attack leaving them a sitting duck. Not even boss characters are safe from the power of the shuffle. |

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
309
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:58:00 -
[63] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Brujo Loco wrote:Also I give myself +1 point for realizing SWTOR was going to be a piece of steaming crap*, like the solo friendly game it is now. Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns. I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs. -10 for anal/cranial inversion.
Naaa its ok, I stand by my statement, I was throwing mud at it before it went live, or was big or had 100000 millions gigs of voiceovers, still doing it as it is live, and will continue to do so after it has catered more MMO market share, evaporates, evolves, go sentient or implodes.
It's a matter of principle. also of TASTES, if you consider it the pinnacle of MMO development and the most fun game ever to exist, I can happily show you the gross market share in the asian market of Westward Journey or perhaps Farmville, and you will see the same effect.
It's a good topic of discussion though, as for some strange quirks of nature, Society is ingrained with the need to either oppose or embrace certain ways of behaving dated by cultural norm and time and space in relation to the current era of Societal development. This very act of negating/embracing certain ways is wonderful development and evolutionary tool.
I knew right from the beggining, as posted earlier, SWTOR was going to be what it was going to be, and it made it possible for me to trigger said psychological quirks in myself. I still hope it tanks, that's my irrational impulse, my rational one though loathes it for it representing what I hate the most about the current MMO market.
I only write this to make it clear in case someone else decides to bash against any argument I propose by simply stating I hate this or that mmo or decide to visit tranny bars, I'm a midget that uses wigs in rl or like to eat guava dipped in mustard or enjoy cyberstalking Alara or Surfin' (just kidding, I think) and take notes of writing patterns in people posting here to see if they are consistent to find out for my own perverted amusement if they are alts of X or Y or Im a compulsive liar and need to make stuff up for an strange urge to create chaos out of order (which I created happily as shown in your response, perfect inexorability!) or ANYTHING you can come up that might be, might not be or is both regarding this online persona known as BrujoLoco.
If I have to make myself clear in a personal taste to clear the way for further elucubration of possible multiple outcomes regarding random threads in the forum, then I better start now in this small patch of text to further reference myself ( as I love to do ) when I need to base a new theory and have to keep a solid and consistent persona/stance and someone else (as it inevitably will happen again) throws the SWTOR card at me ... again. 
it is against any logical declaration of continuity to even pretend I do not stand or abide by what I said earlier unless I specifically declare said idea has evolved into a more refined one, mostly for scholarly purposes, and to embrace my inner solipsistic self when I timeline my whole forum poster career since 2005 and nitpick my own wording, my greatest accomplishment so far having been the rock throwing analogy regarding Incarna pre CCP crash era, (easily searchable in eve-search.com) that i have used to great extent to teach children in RL and have managed to expand to not so good attempt at depicting EVE Online as a sandlot filled with midgets and transvestites wearing wigs and pimps at the borders (easily searchable too btw for the interested if any at all).
With all that behind I hope to continue to please/displease people at the same time, generating a perfect balance of absolute intangibility, since that act itself leads to me understanding, as odd as it might be, the fascinating cultural phenomenon EVE is, an almost unlimited source of amazing personality profiles database, open to anyone and vastly underused.
Thanks for your honest answer, as it gives me fuel to continue in this extremely rewarding act of forum posting in eve online.
I really appeciate it.
*** 2012-TRBrujoLoco brujoloco inexorability
TLDR Future Reference Tag implied, brief explanation of behavioral pattern, thanks
Have fun in SWTOR btw, I heard it's a lot of fun just not my cup of tea  Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:41:00 -
[64] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread?
Ok but maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet.
PS: Don't even get me started on the russian vodka thing as well, we know where that went last time... Ultimately any IRL stuff that doesn't affect me is none of my business. I play Eve for my enjoyment and well, trying to put it succinctly, I don't actually care.
If it's legal then it's up to CCP to make the call insofar as game morality (or lack thereof). If it's illegal well, it's not going to be sorted on some game forum now is it?
However, "Money Laundering" is - using your "legal term" - a method of taking funds gained through illegal methods and converting (laundering) to "legally sourced funds".
If RM is gained through the game it's NOT illegal anyway. It might be against CCP policy etc. etc. but unless the money gained via RMT were illegal then where's the "washing" being done?
Only way I can possibly think is "IRL illegal funds" are used to pay for Plex/gametime and converted to isk and then converted to RL through isk sellers.
Seems a particularly complex way of doing it at $15 a time and given how subs are paid, very traceable.
This "conspiracy theory" is not even a good one. 
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
328
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:46:00 -
[65] - Quote
oh man this kush is balla ass **** |

Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
37
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:46:00 -
[66] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:
Or just enough for obscene company profits.
Their profits were so obscene they recently had to fire 20% of their staff to stay in business. Or is that also a part of your conspiracy theory? Dude, step away from the bong, or start passing it around. A natural thing to happen when you grow and invest too large in effect...on expensive things the majority of your playerbase doesn't give a **** about... You will get no argument from me on that specific concept, I all but predicted as much a few years ago in the old forums, and railed at CCP for buying Whitewolf, and trying to build 3 games making us the paying beta testers for one of them using the revenue of just EVE subscribers. But, they finally learned maybe, the hard way. We'll see what they do vs what they say they will do. I heard they're on a tight budget, but from subs revenue only. One REALLY wonders where all that money to fund so many other projects simultaneously could've come from... Knowing player to player Plex mechanics in Eve, sub revenues can only be the tip of the iceberg.
one word
INVESTORS
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Not-Apsalar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:54:00 -
[67] - Quote
Goe Rilla wrote:In playing your part as human merchandise under CCP's carefully planned out RL profit-making scheme, ie:
How does it feel to be an idiot and not understand that every company is created to make money? CCP isn't a non-profit. No one, but you apparently, is under any impression that EVE is not about making profit. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
217
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:08:00 -
[68] - Quote
Othars Threadromancy 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation
24
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Othars Threadromancy 
JESUS CHRIST THIS THREAD DIED FOR A REASON!
Quit molesting it's corpse. |

ChakanForever
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:56:00 -
[70] - Quote
That's the problem I have with PLEX. Because of it Eve has become a pay-to-win game in my eyes. No, you don't get +5 undead mega chest death plate; you get a nice chunk of cash to buy whatever the hell you want.
Eve is on a pay-to-win model. Simple. |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
416
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:36:00 -
[71] - Quote
The OP would make sense if PLEX was actually something. But, it's not. CCP doesn't have to "get PLEX" to sell PLEX. It's not even the same as printing your own money. Tell me the OP has the sense to know it's only numbers in a database...red...black ink. The PLEX you buy as a player with the item icon is just for show...the transaction is the thing.
CCP using agents to farm for PLEX. Hilarious.
*claps even more slowly* Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

The Blind Watchmaker
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:57:00 -
[72] - Quote
ARISE DEAD THREAD! ARISE! |
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