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dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:15:00 - [91] Edited by: dastommy79 on 05/07/2007 04:16:53 Originally by: Korr E'Hahnah Edited by: Korr E''Hahnah on 05/07/2007 03:41:03 It's posts like this that are one of the may reasons why I'm comfortable having FLA now neutral. The fact that everyone keeps mentioning FLA "defended their space." I'll give them that, with an extra couple of months of carebearing while the rest of the coalition was on the offensive, which they were repeatedly asked to join in on, anywhere. The coalition was spending its resources as FLA carebeared away in the north and finally, when FLA was attacked, greedily defended what had been given to them by the north, patting themselves on the back after a few weeks before they were offered a deal to extract themselves and the ISK they had horded away, which was supposedly offered for Fade and lost (another reason). There was definitely enough ISK to offer to buy the 3 IRON stations during their cease fire to remove their gear from their space. I could only assume, as I posted in discussions about that offer, that they had been granted a deal if they were willing to spend ISK on stations that were next (after FLA fell, it was IRON space, Sparta space (hmmm... they grew in the war?) or D2 space... why offer to buy IRON stations? Suspect then. Suspect now. We chose not to fight for Dek as we couldn't muster a force greater than the 80 dreads and motherships that came into Dek and we don't make deals with the enemy. FLA fought for weeks? We fought for months. That isk you obviously had post-Dek to buy stations from IRON and/or the enemy could have come in handy in the south during the pushes. Those caps sure would have helped MM and Razor and IRON in Querious. Again let me start out by saying i have a lot of respect for the IRON pilots and a couple friends in your alliance. When the great war broke out, FLA spent a week carebearing because we had lost a ton of ships defending iron space while BE were up in dek killing IRON residents. We then sent our pvprs over to fountain to reinforce Sparta and D2 forces. Some of our pilots joined you further south but with TRI/FLA still being red to each other caused some problems. We then recalled back to dek for a couple of days and went on the offensive against youwhat. We captured 2 of their stations but were unable to take the last due to 16 omg i cant put a dent in this thing towers. Think we held enemy stations longer than most members of the coalition besides goons. We get word MC coming north and without much help from the coalition in fountain, we withdraw to dek to put up a defence. Fight MC and friends for 7 weeks while Northern operations against FIX continue to fail. Iron razor and others come back north but its too late to stop the steamroller. FLA did not have a cap fleet, we were in the process of building one when the war broke out. Communication and coordination was garbage in the north. I know a bunch of iron pilots who will agree with me. So greedily defending our space would be the wrong term. We were waiting to be ask to do a coordinated defence which hardly every came. So we defended what we had with everything we got. After we lost our space, most of the pvprs moved into iron and sparta space to continue the fight. I still have ships in roir waiting for the iron counter offensive but they sit there collecting dust. I personaly came out of the MC campaign with 100mill (sold my ratting raven) flying a t1 fitted thorax. My ass is still broke. As for offers, yeah people like the way we handled ourselves so they sent us offers. I still dont see us occuping a friends station. This post is not ment to say we are better than you bull crap. We did what we could, the same as you did. We fought the good fight and we still do even if we waste a lot of our ammo on each other instead of bob pets. EDIT; I agree with foto flame on this one. IRON pilots did come to our defence when other northern entitys decided we were too much a pain in the ass to deal with. A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P
coldkill Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:32:00 - [92] Originally by: FotoFlame Originally by: coldkill Edited by: coldkill on 05/07/2007 03:56:12 Just an observation. It seems IRON, through alternative characters or through their mains are trying desperately to turn the world against FLA. I can't help but wonder why. /puts on tinfoil hat Given that IRON spent a considerable amount of the past year trying to convince the rest of the North not to turn against you, I'd suggest you rethink that statement. Sorry you misunderstood me. I meant specifically in this topic, not in the world of EVE. I will not speak of what else I know of what IRON has been trying to do, thinking of doing and indeed discussing doing. Coldkill Friend of Ushra'Khan.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:32:00 - [93] Originally by: FotoFlame Originally by: coldkill Edited by: coldkill on 05/07/2007 03:56:12 Just an observation. It seems IRON, through alternative characters or through their mains are trying desperately to turn the world against FLA. I can't help but wonder why. /puts on tinfoil hat Given that IRON spent a considerable amount of the past year trying to convince the rest of the North not to turn against you, I'd suggest you rethink that statement. FLA was always worried about helping out their allies in the north. Funny though how when the going gets tough practically all those northern alliances folded like a deck of cards far quicker than FLA did. Now look at where those super powers are, squabbling on the forums as if they really matter now. The north showed its salt when the going got tough and frankly and ironically, FLA was one of the few that actually stood up to the test. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:46:00 - [94] Seriously guys enough is enough we have all been screaming at each other for a while now lol. Lets just let it go and move on. The facts remain YES FLA did defend the north congrats on that but don't pretend like you did it for IRON as it was well known fact we where not going to defend after spending so much effort attacking Querious. Now before this ends into world war 3 lets just all take a deep breath and try to have some fun Hope to see you out there -------------------------------------------------- "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
Inbred Gallente Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:47:00 - [95] Edited by: Inbred on 05/07/2007 04:50:54 Originally by: Grim Faust FLA was always worried about helping out their allies in the north. Funny though how when the going gets tough practically all those northern alliances folded like a deck of cards far quicker than FLA did. Now look at where those super powers are, squabbling on the forums as if they really matter now. The north showed its salt when the going got tough and frankly and ironically, FLA was one of the few that actually stood up to the test. As far as i can tell FLA and their friends are the only ones squabbling here. The OP is a blatent pop for sympathy. And I assume you mean "FLA stood up to the test" as opposed to "still lost" and "made a deal with the MC"? Yes exactly. Look it's a standings reset, don't take it personal.
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Twin Power Enterprises LTD	Posted - 2007.07.05 05:16:00 - [96] Originally by: Inbred ...The OP is a blatent pop for sympathy... If you knew Slinky better, either by direct experience or by reputation, I doubt that you'd hold that opinion. Ask around - most would tell you she's a class act. Drones are like puppies... disobedient and just as hard to housebreak.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2007.07.05 06:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Inbred Edited by: Inbred on 05/07/2007 04:50:54 Originally by: Grim Faust FLA was always worried about helping out their allies in the north. Funny though how when the going gets tough practically all those northern alliances folded like a deck of cards far quicker than FLA did. Now look at where those super powers are, squabbling on the forums as if they really matter now. The north showed its salt when the going got tough and frankly and ironically, FLA was one of the few that actually stood up to the test. As far as i can tell FLA and their friends are the only ones squabbling here. The OP is a blatent pop for sympathy. And I assume you mean "FLA stood up to the test" as opposed to "still lost" and "made a deal with the MC"? Yes exactly. Look it's a standings reset, don't take it personal. Dear Spartan, You have ZERO room to talk. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.05 06:27:00 - [98] Originally by: barry warzght FACT: FLA lost its space FACT: FLA proven to negotiate with known enemies ?? this not getting through Its getting through mister cowardly alt. What hasn't got through to you, is that MC never considered FLA enemies in the tragedy that was acted out in our punitive campaign against D2. We saw them, and SPARTA, more as potential clients, forced into the role of victim and meatshield through the actions of IRON and D2. We stressed to them both 'we are not here for you .. stand aside'. And both refused to do so, Sparta losing their entire capital fleet, FLA losing their homes .. all to buy time for the D2 freighter convoys fleeing to empire (IRON had pulled out even earlier). So yes. MC is not their enemy. They had enough enemies on THEIR side in the coallition, including you and your parent alliance, Mr Anonymous Alt. They just didn't know it till they had lost - and turned round to see that you had fled. Myn
Rabb Darktide Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.05 07:40:00 - [99] The following IS NOT official Oxide policy.. Rather, it is my personal take on this situation... Anyone wonder why the north fell so fast? It was due, 100% to the inability of the coalition to work together.. IRON shooting FLA is yet another sign that NO ONE learned this lesson... FLA made a mistake in trying to work a deal with MC and YW, but, who in IRON has never made one? ---- Rabb Darktide Cirrius Technologies / O X I D E High Council
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:20:00 - [100] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/07/2007 06:40:06 Originally by: barry warzght FACT: FLA lost its space FACT: FLA proven to negotiate with known enemies ?? this not getting through Its getting through mister cowardly alt. What hasn't got through to you, is that MC never considered FLA enemies in the tragedy that was acted out in our punitive campaign against D2. We saw them, and SPARTA, more as potential clients, forced into the role of victim and meatshield through the actions of IRON and D2. We stressed to them both 'we are not here for you .. stand aside'. And both refused to do so, Sparta losing their entire capital fleet, FLA losing their homes .. all to buy time for the D2 freighter convoys fleeing to empire (IRON had pulled out even earlier). So yes. MC is not their enemy. They had enough enemies on THEIR side in the coallition, including you and your parent alliance, Mr Anonymous Alt. They just didn't know it till they had lost everything they owned - and turned round to see that you had fled with everything YOU owned. Myn I'm probably going to get beaten up for posting in here but feel compelled to respond to this by saying oh please save us from all this MC <3 FLA, of course you do, sky high kill ratios from repeated failed lemming attacks that bolster your e-peen and kill boards, of course you love them. It has already been pointed out in this thread (and ignored by you) that IRON went all in to the Querious campaign for 5 MONTHS, we stripped out our players and ships from Deklein MONTHS BEFORE your 80 strong cap superblob showed up. IRON was formed with an MO of fighting BOB and it's peons in the ashes of the GNW, and this seemed the real deal so we went for it and after 5 months of combat had very little left to fight with so to preserve our allaince did not defend our stations. Apologies if this did not give you the opportunity to gank us relentlessly for 7 weeks like you did with FLA. No-one was a better friend to FLA than IRON in getting them established in Deklein, but we smelt the coffee and GTFO and don't see why we should apologise for being realistic about Cap ship online and what our capabilties are. Also freighters full of t2 mods??? not sure what you been smoking but that was sure as hell never seen by our pilots! This whole thread is a forum drama that would have been much better as an eve-mail or convo but we are where we are and my final comment is the past is the past, adapt or die. Oh and this is not an alt! (for which I'm probably going to get my head caved in! ) gee
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:32:00 - [101] Originally by: geewiz No-one was a better friend to FLA than IRON... Lies! We love them more than anyone.
Gharthak Gallente The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:38:00 - [102] Sigh.. FLA.. Give up the political assassination or I'm going to start changing standings.
XxAngelxX Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:05:00 - [103] OP makes me cringe. FLA were lucky to have IRON as friends for a very long time. --------------------------------------
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:03:00 - [104] FLA appear to have no idea what IRON did for them before this war started.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:17:00 - [105] Originally by: Tozmeister As an ex-NFC member I thought nothing would please me more then watching FLA and IRON rip each other apart as we were backstabbed by both alliances back in the day. But seeing the high praise you got from MC and the new leaders that you have I hope FLA can turn it's misfortune around and build a better, brighter future. We did. Who knows, maybe one day you'll be in a position to truely repay IRON. As for any-old-IRON, guess it's just another day at the Bureau of Realpolitik.... Go back to your corner. I seem to remember it being your corp that decided to help the Goons invade Fade. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:52:00 - [106] Like my compatriot, my opinion is not official, simply my own, but I do accept that some will take it so, in spite of stating so in advance. I know in my time up in Fade, and Dek, I saw many people, and did many things. (Most of them involved dying horribly, but I digress...) Considering that combat isn't my area of expertise, my direct contact was limited. However, I have seen many FLA pilots working hard out there. Friends I have in MM, RAZOR, and a few other places I will not name, all give FLA the respect it seems due whenever I hear about them. "Tenacious", "dedicated", and "too damn stubborn" are all things that I can quote. It's easy for those who go off and visit others in wartime to talk large, but the pilots left at home, holding things down never seem to get a break. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips IT WAS ME, MUHAHAHA. -Hango How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn always fashionably late - Deckard
GottesWerk	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:59:00 - [107] Edited by: GottesWerk on 05/07/2007 12:00:27 Alt post! See original post below.
TeufelsBeitrag Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:00:00 - [108] Edited by: TeufelsBeitrag on 05/07/2007 12:00:54 Originally by: Darknesss FLA appear to have no idea what IRON did for them before this war started. Oh, im sure most of FLA do know. But the problem is the current situation. In the end all this finger pointing from FLA and IRON doesnt help anybody. Originally by: Darknesss Sigh.. FLA.. Give up the political assassination or I'm going to start changing standings. Im not sure what the intention of Slink was, by making this thread, but i think its more a honest "we love our allys" than a "IRON sucks" thread. In my opinion this thread is completly unnecessary and not thought through, threatening with the changing of standings because people cook up old storys in COAD dont seem like a well thought decision either. This is not a "political assassination", the smacking started after a IRON-alt decided to start heating things up. And he sure as hell used his alt because its way under IRONs level to do things like this. Please read the full thread. Lets stop the smack and go back to the original meaning of the thread, what ever it was. I think it has something to do with "<3".
Bobby Atlas Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:13:00 - [109] Originally by: Osiris Warp Seriously guys enough is enough we have all been screaming at each other for a while now lol. Lets just let it go and move on. The facts remain YES FLA did defend the north congrats on that but don't pretend like you did it for IRON as it was well known fact we where not going to defend after spending so much effort attacking Querious. Now before this ends into world war 3 lets just all take a deep breath and try to have some fun Hope to see you out there Here-Here - let it go everyone, IRON was friends to FLA when it counted - at times when nobody else was our friends or would send help. Do not insult IRON integrity for having a different approuch to dealing with the fate of the north than we (FLA) did at the time. Be it one man, be it a fleet, be it a group of carriers - IRON was always at our side - the numbers mean nothing, it is that there flag stood alongside FLA's when it counted and anyone who states otherwise is ignorantly blind to what was going on out there. Let the communication and in-fighting issues of the north be a leason to all, strength comes in unity and that can only happen with a cohesive and CIVIL line of dialog between allied alliances to stand against greater threats. o7 osiris, be well mate.
Drutt Warsong Absolute Wrath Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:27:00 - [110] Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:58 Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:35 this thread is a perfect example of why the coalition will not win. The allies are united and follow one leader, Sir Molle. While the coalition is bogged down in a quagmire of arrogance ,petty disputes and stupidity. Here you have a alliance that has shown it will fight no matter the odds , (something the coalition desperatly needs),wants to remain allied with the coalition and instead of valuing them you turn against them,mock them and drive them away. This is kind of conduct has sent far more people to BoB and the Allies then anything else. The coalition is like a snake swallowing its own tail, your destroying yourselfs and untill you find a leader you will all follow you have no chance. This leader dosnt have to be the best strategic leader or the best tacticaly, all they need to have is honor,integrity and high moral standards. They just need to be someone that you can trust too treat everyone fairly. Once you find this leader they can then build a chain of command involving all the coalition alliances. unfortunatley these kinds of people are hard to find,from reading the forums the only coalition leader that has shown they remotely meet the requirements is Slinktress, and look how your treating her.
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:00:00 - [111] Originally by: Drutt Warsong Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:58 Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:35 this thread is a perfect example of why the coalition will not win. The allies are united and follow one leader, Sir Molle. While the coalition is bogged down in a quagmire of arrogance ,petty disputes and stupidity. Here you have a alliance that has shown it will fight no matter the odds , (something the coalition desperatly needs),wants to remain allied with the coalition and instead of valuing them you turn against them,mock them and drive them away. This is kind of conduct has sent far more people to BoB and the Allies then anything else. The coalition is like a snake swallowing its own tail, your destroying yourselfs and untill you find a leader you will all follow you have no chance. This leader dosnt have to be the best strategic leader or the best tacticaly, all they need to have is honor,integrity and high moral standards. They just need to be someone that you can trust too treat everyone fairly. Once you find this leader they can then build a chain of command involving all the coalition alliances. unfortunatley these kinds of people are hard to find,from reading the forums the only coalition leader that has shown they remotely meet the requirements is Slinktress, and look how your treating her. someone who can use and abuse her pets - RA-goonswarm fit perfectly
Mrrzah Amarr Word of Blake	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:12:00 - [112] Originally by: Drutt Warsong Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:58 Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:35 this thread is a perfect example of why the coalition will not win. The allies are united and follow one leader, Sir Molle. While the coalition is bogged down in a quagmire of arrogance ,petty disputes and stupidity. Here you have a alliance that has shown it will fight no matter the odds , (something the coalition desperatly needs),wants to remain allied with the coalition and instead of valuing them you turn against them,mock them and drive them away. This is kind of conduct has sent far more people to BoB and the Allies then anything else. The coalition is like a snake swallowing its own tail, your destroying yourselfs and untill you find a leader you will all follow you have no chance. This leader dosnt have to be the best strategic leader or the best tacticaly, all they need to have is honor,integrity and high moral standards. They just need to be someone that you can trust too treat everyone fairly. Once you find this leader they can then build a chain of command involving all the coalition alliances. unfortunatley these kinds of people are hard to find,from reading the forums the only coalition leader that has shown they remotely meet the requirements is Slinktress, and look how your treating her. What the.. If goose-stepping behind some glorious figurehead is your thing, then more power to you. It sure as hell isn't everyone's. People like their independence, that is what the whole thing is about.
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:28:00 - [113] Frankly the past is the past, lets talk about the future. If Iron and FLA want to work things out, I'd be happy to work with both groups and come to some sort of understanding. What do FLA plan to do in the future? If you aren't buying the MC stations, what are you doing??
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:04:00 - [114] Originally by: Korr E'Hahnah Edited by: Korr E''Hahnah on 05/07/2007 03:41:03 It's posts like this that are one of the may reasons why I'm comfortable having FLA now neutral. The fact that everyone keeps mentioning FLA "defended their space." I'll give them that, with an extra couple of months of carebearing while the rest of the coalition was on the offensive, which they were repeatedly asked to join in on, anywhere. The coalition was spending its resources as FLA carebeared away in the north and finally, when FLA was attacked, greedily defended what had been given to them by the north, patting themselves on the back after a few weeks before they were offered a deal to extract themselves and the ISK they had horded away, which was supposedly offered for Fade and lost (another reason). There was definitely enough ISK to offer to buy the 3 IRON stations during their cease fire to remove their gear from their space. I could only assume, as I posted in discussions about that offer, that they had been granted a deal if they were willing to spend ISK on stations that were next (after FLA fell, it was IRON space, Sparta space (hmmm... they grew in the war?) or D2 space... why offer to buy IRON stations? Suspect then. Suspect now. We chose not to fight for Dek as we couldn't muster a force greater than the 80 dreads and motherships that came into Dek and we don't make deals with the enemy. FLA fought for weeks? We fought for months. That isk you obviously had post-Dek to buy stations from IRON and/or the enemy could have come in handy in the south during the pushes. Those caps sure would have helped MM and Razor and IRON in Querious. Wait, was I not in Fountain for a month, then? That funny...someone must have been messing with my memory. Because I thought FLA spent a month in Fountain camping Xelas, right up until YW defected. Then, I seem to remember FLA leading the invasion of Cloud Ring, pretty much unaided by the other main players in the north. Then almost as soon as we were repelled from CR, the MC invasion kicked off and we were on the defensive. I don't remember having much time to isk farm in that time...but then again, we've already established The Man has given me false memories. Thank you for correcting me. While you guys were off playing Marine in the south, we were fighting the war in the north. No carebearing was involved... --------
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:45:00 - [115] This thread derailed horribly, and fast. @Slink. Great post. @all others Past is in the past, better use your enegry on building a better tomorrow. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.05 15:11:00 - [116] Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 05/07/2007 15:14:53 Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 05/07/2007 15:14:02 When FLA was first invited to Deklein by IRON, FLA was supposed to build up a large and goodworking market and industrial base in Deklein, being a mainly industrial alliance. The north, and especially Deklein has been largely quiet after the fall of NFC/Sparta I, FLA had many, many months time to build up a large Capital Ship fleet and to supply the Deklein stations with the necesarry resources incase of a prolonged assault on the north, something which we all knew was coming. Admitted, IRON failed to build a large Capital Ship fleet as well during that quiet period, but at least the IRON gangs and fleets ensured relative safety in Deklein, and any invader without a Capital Ship blob of 40 or more would have conquered Deklein with very heavy losses, if they could succesfully invade Deklein in the first place. The fact that FLA only had roughly 4bil in the alliance wallet and no Capital Ship fleet kind of gives away a lot of members didn't contribute to the welfare of Deklein, farming isk for their own means instead. Now, a good deal of FLA did have the best of Deklein and the north in mind, and that were mainly the ones who fought for nearly two months againts MC and allies, and it were the same who were in Fountain and who were sending supplies to Querious to help out IRON. During the last year or so and before the war, IRON has sticked up for FLA on numerous occasions, despite FLA not or barely holding on to their part of the deal. If you'd ask me, Deklein and the north would be totally different if TRI had booted FLA and teamed up with IRON, something which was on the table at one point if I'm not mistaken, but IRON decided to chose for their friends, FLA, instead of sacking them like a useless tool. Now that IRON and FLA no longer hold space in Deklein, and IRON seems to have started with a new slate, it's only natural a standing reset/adjustment has occured. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.05 15:49:00 - [117] FLA never ceases to impress me, to be honest. Good people doing the right thing...even when it hurts. Best of luck to you guys in however this all shakes out for you. Feel free to contact us if you think there's something we can do for ya.
Kelter Highfire Caldari AirHawk Alliance Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.07.05 17:33:00 - [118] Just gonna toss in my .02 iskies here: First things first, nobody has really mentioned that we had a fairly large bit of alliance theft in FLA, where the majority (all?) of our cap fleet was stolen by some folks who later went on to a different alliance. FLA was working toward having a capital fleet when the war broke out, but didn't have the chance to project that power, because we simply didn't have the ships when they were needed. Literally. Second, its all respect for FLA from my quarter. I enjoyed my time up in Dek with you folks highly, and I wish you all the best. Third, IRON pilots are damned fun to fly with, and much respect for your yarr level. Lastly, its always hard to see two old allies set each other neutral, but sometimes you need to shake things up to keep the game fresh. I'm the ex-mining director of my corp, turned into a total PvP fiend. You do what you can to have fun. Respect to Slink for making sure that the EVE world understands the loyalty that FLA has, and respect to IRON for making a tough decision to make their world more fun. Best of luck to both of you. ________________________________ Kelter Highfire Rock Melter and WT Killer
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 17:36:00 - [119] It is most impressive to witness how a suggestion to issue an official forum announcement to alleviate the communications with current allies can develop into a full fledged flame thread filled with bitter accusations and finger pointing.
Antigen Po legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 18:47:00 - [120] Thanks to those who've given us kind words in this thread. As for the whole FLA/IRON friction thing or whatever - truth be told I think we were good allies to each other for the most part during our time in dek. Needless to say things probably couldve gone better if you or us had done things differently here or there at different times in the past. We're all better off though if we just move on without the flames & have fun going forward regardless of what color we are to each other in the overview. <3 Iron may the pew be strong with you (except when its coming at me)

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