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Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 09:57:00 - [1] Freelancer Alliance values its friendships so highly we would sooner destroy ourselves than purposely let a FRIEND be destroyed, if we can at all help. The Knights of Camelot and Combined Planetary Union, FLA thanks you so very much for your friendship and support recently. Please consider yourselves +10. Thank you to Oxide and our other friends standing by us and your support--too many to list. To IRON, our old +10 friends until 10 days ago. We apologize for having to shoot you, although I hear this impresses you. Our heart is not in it. It was our plan to rebuild WITH you. Despite being left with nothing after our alliance theft, we sent cov ops and supplies to you in the south, some free of charge. It was honestly all we could do at the time. We held on for you in the North defending even longer bankrupting ourselves in hopes buying time would help. We made true friends of a couple of your pilots, passing intel and daily updates. We invited you to our intel channel and had your pilot have free access to our forums. We offered prayers and condolences for the real life crisis to hit your leader. And, finally we reached to the outer limits of the drone region to be with you in hopes to rebuild only to have our leader shot upon arrival. You have set us to neutral NBSI standings, which hurts us. We continue to reach out in hopes that despite a weakened and poor alliance, our tenacity and honor with great potential will mean more soon. Please accept our apology for any smack, which we do not approve of, our pilots are understandibly upset, particularly the ones who fought MC for 7 weeks straight. Clearly we are not all bad, as our pilots are being asked to join you (they ask to please stop as they love FLA ). Please receive this message as a reach-out. You have our respect and acknowledgment of your impressive PVP skills. You run PVP on max level, and we run industrial max level with a hunger for PVP. We have much we could learn from each other. To EVE: We have been constantly pressured to turn on our friends, and in the end, despite any possible reasons or selfish advantages that come up, we simply cannot. We are PROUD to be a part of the Coalition that bravely stands against BOB. If we speak to BOB or any of their allies, it is because we understand the human factor to the pilots behind the avatar and everyone deserves respect and FREEdom to speak. Forgive the long post! If you've read this far, see me for a free exotic dancer! Best wishes to our FRIENDS and long live FLA \o/
touchvill Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:02:00 - [2] Does this effect our war? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:05:00 - [3] nice post no matter im not involved :)
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:07:00 - [4] You are always true to your word and that is proceless imo Currently training forum ***** resistance L5
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:19:00 - [5] Originally by: fire 59 You are always true to your word and that is proceless imo Empty words from someone in an alliance of backstabbers. Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
De'Zori PILGRIMS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:21:00 - [6] Good post slink, except the part that we are poor ;) i got atleast 3 mill isk left, [/
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Originally by: fire 59 You are always true to your word and that is proceless imo Empty words from someone in an alliance of backstabbers. I know her personally you idiot so leave your pathetic trolling at the door. Currently training forum ***** resistance L5
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:27:00 - [8] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Originally by: fire 59 You are always true to your word and that is proceless imo Empty words from someone in an alliance of backstabbers. I know her personally you idiot so leave your pathetic trolling at the door. There is no call in a game for personal insults. Furthermore knowing someone personally does not change the fact that your words are lessened by your being in an alliance of oathbreakers. If honour and integrety had any meaning for you, you would not be in Bob, an alliance willing to lie and cheat it's way through life. Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
Aira Phlux Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:36:00 - [9] Woah de-railed in the first few replies, nice going guys! Anyway getting back to the OP, I only ever hear good things about FLA - from enemies and friends a like. Its a shame that your friendship appears to have come undone. Good luck rebuilding your empire and making new friends though by the sounds of it you don't need luck!
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:36:00 - [10] e-honor and e-respect... MMMMWELP - BH
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:49:00 - [11] ah well times a changing
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:52:00 - [12] Originally by: fire 59 Edited by: fire 59 on 04/07/2007 10:30:08 Edited by: fire 59 on 04/07/2007 10:25:39 Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Originally by: fire 59 You are always true to your word and that is proceless imo Empty words from someone in an alliance of backstabbers. Wtb, 1500 units of 'troll begone' Edit - @ pugwash below me. Your entitled to your opinion dude, i have nver cheated, i don't know of any bobs that have cheated so seeing as your replying to me and i have done neither, your trolling is misplaced. I think you are jumping to conclusions. I never accused you of cheating the game. I accused Bob of cheating in their relationship with other entities (shooting blues). If you are sensative about any other form of cheating that is not my problem. Originally by: fire 59 Jus tbecause you think you know everything about all bobs doesnt make it fact, your opinion and nothing else, as i have my opinion and what i see and know, seeing as im actually there. Were do I say or even suggest that I believe I know everything about all Bobs? You are actually there? well news for you I am actually here. now which part of all that makes either of our opinions worth more than the other? You are a typical 'public' Bobbit you think you have some devine right to have your opinions valued above that of others simply because you say so. I suggest you take a breath and talk to some of the smarter people in your alliance about how stupid your posts are making them look. Originally by: fire 59 Please leave the derailing trolling stuff for another thread, this isn't about bob so leave it that way I made a single comment, calling into question the value of your opinion on the value of integrety, because of the history of your alliance. You started the name calling and personal insults. Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
Mrrzah Amarr Word of Blake	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:54:00 - [13] Good luck resolving your issues with IRON, but more importantly: Where can I pick up my Exotic Dancer?!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash I made a single comment, calling into question the value of your opinion on the value of integrety, because of the history of your alliance. You started the name calling and personal insults. Actually, you made a single comment for the express purpose of derailing a perfectly good thread about FLA. FLA deserves better than having their thread turned into another BoB trollfest. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Cpt Pugwash I made a single comment, calling into question the value of your opinion on the value of integrety, because of the history of your alliance. You started the name calling and personal insults. Actually, you made a single comment for the express purpose of derailing a perfectly good thread about FLA. FLA deserves better than having their thread turned into another BoB trollfest. and you are just going more offtopic, just to support masters...
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:01:00 - [16] FLA will continue to roll around space similar to ISS as they have always done best thing for them would be to approach the RA+goon gropuing and move all youre assets down near theri space and assist with whatever resistance is up against bob that u can offer.
IamBen Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:02:00 - [17] Good post dude. E-honor is a good thing :)
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:10:00 - [18] Less talking, more fighting, that would avoided EVE to turn into a ridiculous megacorp simulation where some are sinking their life. EVE was fun when reds were living next door. When the napmania started, everything went down the drain. I remember of those times where people were flying in each other's space only to have fun, instead of conquering, I wish those times are coming back. For fun. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:11:00 - [19] Originally by: fire 59 You are always true to your word and that is proceless imo Thank you for the kind words Fire. The same goes for you as a pilot I've come to call "friend" <3 (I hope this doesn't risk your position ) Remember everyone deserves respect and freedom to speak! Another alliance that guaranteed holds true to its word is MC, which FLA respects separate from the wicked pain they can deliver Exotic dancers (see OP) available upon eve-mail request in Nonni. What FLA might lack in riches and spoils we make up for in the quality of our members. Not a day goes by where they don't make this EVE world FUN Cheers o/
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:24:00 - [20] The way to play the game! Respect, RB join us today!
Alpine 69 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:26:00 - [21] Wow.... Respect.... Although all that friend this, friend that sounds a little like sesame street... Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3 From her? You're on. -Rauth hubba hubba - Deckard
StarCommWraith Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:26:00 - [22] You and your corp are honorable warriors. I salute you guys.
Drutt Warsong Absolute Wrath Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:27:00 - [23] nice post lots of respect for holding to your integrity and honor, this may be a game but those are basic principles that adults should allways hold dear regardless of where they apply be it a vitural world or real life. unfortunately so many children that play these games think that being behind a keybord is a license to be a totally worthless bag of ****. /salute FLA
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:35:00 - [24] It is a shame you have picked the wrong side in this war FLA. You do not fit in with your Coalition in any way, shape, or form. Look at your "allies", honestly, do they have anything in common with you? RISE Recruitment Thread
Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn It is a shame you have picked the wrong side in this war FLA. You do not fit in with your Coalition in any way, shape, or form. Look at your "allies", honestly, do they have anything in common with you? Cute, untill this RISE dude reliase that his "allies" only need to post a thread here on COAD to have his alliance removed from the game. But he may be right, you should come down to the south, shame im just another grunt. But imho we have some nice 0.0 NPC space nearby (Doril Litom and such). We need to remove some Toxin dudes first though
Striike Rouge	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn It is a shame you have picked the wrong side in this war FLA. You do not fit in with your Coalition in any way, shape, or form. Look at your "allies", honestly, do they have anything in common with you? None of them pay rent to BoB?
Oli4Oli4 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:50:00 - [27] Good luck in your endeavours FLA! Always loved it that if Tri brought a fleet to your space you guys gave a fight.
ZaKma Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:53:00 - [28] Nice post. Nothing wrong with e-honor, at the end.. it's all we have!
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Rochel Hakiri Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn It is a shame you have picked the wrong side in this war FLA. You do not fit in with your Coalition in any way, shape, or form. Look at your "allies", honestly, do they have anything in common with you? Cute, untill this RISE dude reliase that his "allies" only need to post a thread here on COAD to have his alliance removed from the game. But he may be right, you should come down to the south, shame im just another grunt. But imho we have some nice 0.0 NPC space nearby (Doril Litom and such). We need to remove some Toxin dudes first though If FLA had a deal with BoB to occupy space and defend it, then they would defend it no matter the cost and would not stop until an utter lack of resources and ships made it impossible to fight. If FLA held their part of the bargain and BoB would want to kick them out anyway, FLA would fight even if they had no chance of beating BoB. Anyway, it's nice to see that FLA still is around and kicking. Good luck to you guys, give IRON hell if it's possible. They deserve it as far as I can tell.
Teck7 Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 12:50:00 - [30] What was once the heart of FLA has long since left, does this change who FLA is as an entity in the values they try to uphold? Not a whole lot, no. As members of DTHI we spent a great deal of time as FLA members (7 months?) and took mostly good things away from FLA on our departure. A fine group of people still remain who we consider friends despite the alliance level standings we find ourself currently at (red). With that, on behalf of DTHI - we wish FLA the best of luck in the future and hope you folks find what you are looking for out there.
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.04 12:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash I made a single comment, calling into question the value of your opinion on the value of integrety, because of the history of your alliance. You started the name calling and personal insults. So an Alliances' history is the defining factor in an Alliances' integrity? +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Mad Mackem E X O D U S	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:14:00 - [32] Official response coming soonÖ
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:15:00 - [33] Gotta love FLA. Miss you guys \o/ --------
Jorax Unknown-Heroes	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:15:00 - [34] God bless the FLA and all who sail in her. I trust your choice of friends will be more fortuitous in the future. o/ J
Leviathani Darkri Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:24:00 - [35] Edited by: Leviathani Darkri on 04/07/2007 13:23:47 I have alot of respect for FLA standing and fighting for their home, even though it was a loosing battle. That kind of tenacity is more than can be said for some of the "other" alliances that claimed space in the north, and simply ran. When I was in IRON, we always looked down on "silly FLA" not quite managing to defend their space while we were off bahawing around querious. At least you fought, and didn't just give your give space to the invaders. I salute FLA, and hope that honorable forces in the North may rise again.
barry warzght Band of Devs	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:27:00 - [36] Edited by: barry warzght on 04/07/2007 13:27:47 Originally by: AMSH - Rev Darkwing Pack your bags boys and girls. FLA is going home! We have just completed negotiations to purchse the stations in C4C-Z4 and P-2TTL and will begin the process of acquiring ownership this weekend.. parts of text excluded We are working at getting standings set for all corps in the area but advise caution since YW has residents. The only areas off limits for ratting and mining at this moment are the systems beyond GME-PQ which are exclusive to YW. Please respect this. We want to be good neighbors and work at building a relationship with them. Frankly, so far, they seem most reasonable and open to making new friends. parts of text excluded Parts of this original post are excluded for the fact that it makes for an easier read. Um wtf guys your paying MC and setting YouWhat blue???? how does that make you good friends of The northern coalition /shrug Please explain?? kinda looks like it was ur fault to me
MentalM E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:43:00 - [37] IRON have had a standings clearout over the last month, ALOT of our standings were found to be inherited from large Alliances with a vast amount of residence and very few were classsed as our own standings. Our alliance has gone through a difficult time of late and needed to increase our pilots interest in the game and our member base, IRON thrieves on war and combat, it isn't in our own Alliances interest to keep alot of positive standings, if we maintained our old stance on standings IRON would definately have suffed more than we have already. We have moved on and made new alegencies with other entities in the EVE universe. FLA are not the only alliance or corp who we have set neutral. And this move wasn't taken lightly as we were aware of many pilots in these Alliances who we class as friends but for the good of our Alliance it was deemed a move forward in the progression of our Alliance. Our stance towards setting people positive or NAP has changed completely now and the overall view and philosophy within IRON is "What's best for IRON first and foremost" not whats best for the corp who asks for standings or their friends who they have a tendancy to list in the hope of swaying our decision, so alot of people who are now requesting positive standings are being turned down as we see no benifit in the change. Our main aim is to have fun in the game, I apologise in advance for any missery or hardship this causes to our victims.
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:46:00 - [38] Indeed, is FLA NAPing YouWhat and buying stations from MC?? When FLA came to the drone regions, didn't you commit to making a stand there? A commitment to strengthening the drone regions?
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:00:00 - [39] Originally by: MentalM Our stance towards setting people positive or NAP has changed completely now and the overall view and philosophy within IRON is "What's best for IRON first and foremost" not whats best for the corp who asks for standings or their friends who they have a tendancy to list in the hope of swaying our decision, so alot of people who are now requesting positive standings are being turned down as we see no benifit in the change. Our main aim is to have fun in the game, I apologise in advance for any missery or hardship this causes to our victims. /signed
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:03:00 - [40] /signed im the original and real band of devs
Don Marcus Sin-X Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:18:00 - [41] I'm sure theres a really small violin playing for you out there somwhere. boohoo Disrespectfully, Don
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:59:00 - [42] Originally by: barry warzght Edited by: barry warzght on 04/07/2007 13:27:47 Originally by: AMSH - Rev Darkwing Pack your bags boys and girls. FLA is going home! We have just completed negotiations to purchse the stations in C4C-Z4 and P-2TTL and will begin the process of acquiring ownership this weekend.. parts of text excluded We are working at getting standings set for all corps in the area but advise caution since YW has residents. The only areas off limits for ratting and mining at this moment are the systems beyond GME-PQ which are exclusive to YW. Please respect this. We want to be good neighbors and work at building a relationship with them. Frankly, so far, they seem most reasonable and open to making new friends. parts of text excluded Parts of this original post are excluded for the fact that it makes for an easier read. Um wtf guys your paying MC and setting YouWhat blue???? how does that make you good friends of The northern coalition /shrug Please explain?? kinda looks like it was ur fault to me This looks interesting. Where did you get that post from? Sounds like a good deal for You What. I hope FLA don't take it. And to be honest. FLA should not aim to please the old powers of the north (even if it never hurts to have that on the agenda). You can't demand that anyone sacrifice more then what FLA did in the fighting against MC & co, and the only thing they seem to get from that is IRON shooting them because they are bored.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:09:00 - [43] Originally by: barry warzght Edited by: barry warzght on 04/07/2007 13:27:47 Originally by: AMSH - Rev Darkwing Pack your bags boys and girls. FLA is going home! We have just completed negotiations to purchse the stations in C4C-Z4 and P-2TTL and will begin the process of acquiring ownership this weekend.. parts of text excluded We are working at getting standings set for all corps in the area but advise caution since YW has residents. The only areas off limits for ratting and mining at this moment are the systems beyond GME-PQ which are exclusive to YW. Please respect this. We want to be good neighbors and work at building a relationship with them. Frankly, so far, they seem most reasonable and open to making new friends. parts of text excluded Parts of this original post are excluded for the fact that it makes for an easier read. Um wtf guys your paying MC and setting YouWhat blue???? how does that make you good friends of The northern coalition /shrug Please explain?? kinda looks like it was ur fault to me well first off, post with your main. Second that was from our internal forums and you left out the 12 pages of discusion on the matter. Also if you havent noticed we dont occupy those stations now do we **** off A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P
Paltar Eternal Rising EternalRising	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:17:00 - [44] Edited by: Paltar on 04/07/2007 15:16:50 I'm guessing that snippet above from their internal forums is out of context, But even if it was true, why shouldn't they take it. At least their "enemies" in the north respect them... its more than their friends did for them if memory serves. FLA needs to do whats right for FLA if the example of your former peers is anything to go by. I always complained you guys never had the ragged edge needed sometimes in 0.0 politics... but it always made me feel good in a way as there were always voices for the right choices, and there is something to be said for being one of the good guys. As always FLA respect and good fortune and you know where we are if you need us.
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:23:00 - [45] Edited by: Tassi on 04/07/2007 15:22:34 Originally by: fire 59 i don't know of any bobs that have cheated Erm hello? T20 the dev spawning BPO's for Reikoku? If that is not cheating WHAT IS? Get your head out of your ass and see the freaking truth baby. EDIT: This quote deserves a freaking place in my sig. Thanks. Originally by: fire 59 i don't know of any bobs that have cheated
barry warzght Band of Devs	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:28:00 - [46] Originally by: dastommy79 well first off, post with your main. Second that was from our internal forums and you left out the 12 pages of discusion on the matter. Also if you havent noticed we dont occupy those stations now do we **** off Meh hard to take some criticism eh?? Im just trying to point out a fact that FLA have done things that might make other alliances be cautious of them. which ur diplomat conveniently left out before she discredited another alliance. Im sure this was accidental but still I did not want ppl slagging an alliance that has quite a few of my RL friends in it, for something that is a complete cry for sympathy tbh it makes FLA look really bad and i am actually surprised that ppl have said respect. For the record I am not an alt this is my main character I just made my own corp for a bit of a laugh. About you occupying the stations. I know you do not own them but that is not the point, They point is that you where prepared to own them and set hostiles in the area blue. Still meh tbh that would have been a good move for you ill admit and I would agree any day of the week that it was a good idea. But just because it didn't work out DONT come onto EVE-O and try and get a sympathy hug from ppl by making it look like everyone is against you. Always fun chatting ;)
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Slinktress Forgive the long post! If you've read this far, see me for a free exotic dancer! Very nice post Slink But can I have a Marine instead? ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:48:00 - [48] Originally by: ZaKma Nice post. Nothing wrong with e-honor, at the end.. it's all we have! /signed ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:51:00 - [49] Originally by: Leandra Anor Originally by: Slinktress Forgive the long post! If you've read this far, see me for a free exotic dancer! Very nice post Slink But can I have a Marine instead? Don't be silly. But it would be nice if she gave you a vid camera as well and a free uplink account ;)
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:52:00 - [50] Originally by: barry warzght Originally by: dastommy79 well first off, post with your main. Second that was from our internal forums and you left out the 12 pages of discusion on the matter. Also if you havent noticed we dont occupy those stations now do we **** off Meh hard to take some criticism eh?? Im just trying to point out a fact that FLA have done things that might make other alliances be cautious of them. which ur diplomat conveniently left out before she discredited another alliance. Im sure this was accidental but still I did not want ppl slagging an alliance that has quite a few of my RL friends in it, for something that is a complete cry for sympathy tbh it makes FLA look really bad and i am actually surprised that ppl have said respect. For the record I am not an alt this is my main character I just made my own corp for a bit of a laugh. About you occupying the stations. I know you do not own them but that is not the point, They point is that you where prepared to own them and set hostiles in the area blue. Still meh tbh that would have been a good move for you ill admit and I would agree any day of the week that it was a good idea. But just because it didn't work out DONT come onto EVE-O and try and get a sympathy hug from ppl by making it look like everyone is against you. Always fun chatting ;) Shall we turn this into a why IRON cant be trusted thread? I could go on for hours barry about the crap your RL friends have pulled on me and my alliance but i dont want to on here. You want to chat about this, talk to me ingame. Not gonna bring up IRON's dirty laundry on the forums. I have more class than that. @op i dont think she was badmouthing iron and i dont see this as a cry for sympathy. What realy makes people look bad is posting other peoples internal forums on CAOD. Also i can tell by your reply that you didnt read the whole thread. A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P
Karim alRashid Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:54:00 - [51] So, FLA change coats and finance (with how much, 20bil?) MC war machine ... I'm sure next MC contract targets will be very happy with FLA.
Savak Veni Vidi Vici.	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:54:00 - [52] fla always the suck up :)
TeufelsBeitrag Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:01:00 - [53] Originally by: barry warzght About you occupying the stations. I know you do not own them but that is not the point, They point is that you where prepared to own them and set hostiles in the area blue. And despite the fact that you were totally unable to copy the rest of the thread, the conclusion or the discussion, you know who would have been red to us and who not? You are just trying to smear us by posting things out of or private board (what is disgusting btw) that are totally out of the context. None of these things is your business and FLA wont forget their friends and enemys if moving into a new region. Originally by: Karim alRashid So, FLA change coats and finance (with how much, 20bil?) MC war machine ... I'm sure next MC contract targets will be very happy with FLA. Thats exactly one of the points we argued about in our internal forums. We discuss our matters there, and as you see FLA didn't backstab anyone and we sure as hell are not planning to.
Apolluon Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:07:00 - [54] Originally by: Karim alRashid So, FLA change coats and finance (with how much, 20bil?) MC war machine ... I'm sure next MC contract targets will be very happy with FLA. What coat? Honestly, answer that. Exactly who's coat were they wearing? They had every intention of wearing the northern coalitions coat. Unfortunately for them, they didn't get the memo to paint a HUGE yellow stripe on the back of it, like most of the other folks up there did when the time came to defend FLA space. I hope the best for FLA, if that means moving stations, buying stations, etc, good for them. Before you set about trying to flame them for their decisions, I'd like to see exactly how much you bled for them, and since that's probably not much, follow that up with why you think you're entitled to criticize their decisions. Apolluon
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:10:00 - [55] Originally by: Tassi EDIT2: As it seems that I am not allowed to say what needs to be said. If there is someone in this game that deserves the tag CHEATER CHEATER BURN IN HELL, its Band of Brothers. If you want to know why, contact me ingame. I'd contact you in game, accept everytime I do you make me sad...and I hurt on the inside!!
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Achaiah Originally by: Leandra Anor Originally by: Slinktress Forgive the long post! If you've read this far, see me for a free exotic dancer! Very nice post Slink But can I have a Marine instead? Don't be silly. But it would be nice if she gave you a vid camera as well and a free uplink account ;) Nah... I'm a doer.... not a watcher.... ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:16:00 - [57] Originally by: dastommy79 well first off, post with your main. Second that was from our internal forums and you left out the 12 pages of discusion on the matter. Also if you havent noticed we dont occupy those stations now do we **** off So, if this deal hasnt been done, then what are FLA plans?? How do you expect your friends to react to this?
barry warzght Band of Devs	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: dastommy79 well first off, post with your main. Second that was from our internal forums and you left out the 12 pages of discusion on the matter. Also if you havent noticed we dont occupy those stations now do we **** off So, if this deal hasnt been done, then what are FLA plans?? How do you expect your friends to react to this? Im not sure on this so don't quote me lol but i believe the deal was cut short at the last minute due to MC raising the price or changing the deal or something to that effect. Not sure but it sounds like "well that deal is over lets go back to our old friends im sure they still love us" lol sorry thats a little mean but yea you get the idea. Still im sure one of the FLA guys can comment better on that as im not entirely sure
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:25:00 - [59] Wow barry. How exactly are you involved? It seems to be a bit personal. Are you sure you aren't an alt and has a main that blame FLA for something? I for one liked some info from FLA, apperently some others appreciated it as well. Of course it is worded from their perspective, what is not?
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:28:00 - [60] Edited by: Osiris Warp on 04/07/2007 16:28:04 Originally by: Achaiah Wow barry. How exactly are you involved? It seems to be a bit personal. Are you sure you aren't an alt and has a main that blame FLA for something? lol yea he is angry it seems EDIT dam censor its so sensitive these days -------------------------------------------------- "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
TeufelsBeitrag Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:31:00 - [61] Originally by: Osiris Warp Originally by: Achaiah Wow barry. How exactly are you involved? It seems to be a bit personal. Are you sure you aren't an alt and has a main that blame FLA for something? Nah sorry mate im just taking it personally cause I hate ppl that try to discredit ppl with out offering up all the facts and like i said a few of my RL friends are in IRON so i think this is completely stupid You are stupid. Even editing wont help, i screenshotted your post. So the story about the "i have friends in IRON" thing wont work anymore.
Simon Monkoto AirHawk Alliance Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:36:00 - [62] My how quickly this thread has turned into a flamefest. Then again that almost always seems to happen with any alliance thread in this forum. I hope everything works out for FLA. Airhawk Alliance had good times fighting for the alliance and we wish you the best of luck in the future. /me huggles Slink
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:50:00 - [63] Originally by: barry warzght Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Originally by: barry warzght And don't worry Dastommy79 I would love to chat with you in game You sir are a 4 month old character that imediatly joined the Band of Devs corp upon your creation. You sir a flame alt and i have no respect for you. POST WITH YOUR MAIN FFS if you are not a coward And I'm ready to chat ingame anytime you like A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P

Wachtmeister Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:05:00 - [64] Ladies and Gentlemen, Everybody take a deep breath and let's continue a respectful and appropriate way of communication. Thank you very much. -Wachtmeister

Kvarium Ki legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:39:00 - [65] Originally by: touchvill Does this effect our war? I wish it did, your faction fitted faction battleships are nasty. Too bad you have to war dec someone in empire to use them instead of taking them out to Venal
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Osiris Warp snip You are not allowed to post with an unidentified character. Please make sure you are in a player corporation and have your alliance or corp ticker showing. -Wachtmeister Lol, busted! Nice of you to own up to being barry warzght like that, but it kinda removes the point of having a forum alt troll I'm sure you'll just recycle it and create a new one, but none the less, I found it funny. And linkage, because TeufelsBeitrag clearly fails at links --------
Bobby Atlas Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:58:00 - [67] Edited by: Bobby Atlas on 04/07/2007 17:58:59 Originally by: Wachtmeister Ladies and Gentlemen, Everybody take a deep breath and let's continue a respectful and appropriate way of communication. Thank you very much. -Wachtmeister With that, how about all those tireless nights of pos-fun in o-2/3jn - 4d xh of micromanaged strontium in towers must have made for some frustration (we knew all that stront would come in handy one day)... Storm Armada & MC, missing all that quality pew pew already. For what it is worth, 3jn would have not fallen so quick if it wasnt for an inopportune mistake made internally by someone else in FLA who had committed to managing the pos's over there. It was my intention to make 3jn as prolonged a takedown as o-2 was but that didnt come to form. Instead 3jn ended up being a race to try pickup ground from the mistakes made - we were never able to spam enough towers or keep them up in there long enough to makeup ground for the headstart our mistakes afforded your spamming. Point in case, we in FLA may not have always been the most capable or most challenging of foes however at the end of the day we made sure we had fun, stuck true to our word and gave it our absolute all - from begining to end. It is with that, despite no longer being under the FLA flag, that I can tip my hat to FLA for always holding true as the "good guys" despite how rough that road sometimes is. P.S: IRON, contentious times in relations with FLA apart - it was and is always a pleasure to fly alongside you guys, no matter what anyone else says.
Darc Kaahar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:58:00 - [68] Christ, you lot need to clam down. Go get a nice bowl of coco pops and kick back and watch the Bill or something. Internet spaceships shouldn't get this stressful y0. Hate to see people get worried about e honour and the like, I just want you all to know how much e love I have for everyone of you people
barry warzght Band of Devs	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:07:00 - [69] lol well as long as everyone is having fun with internet spaceships then all is good :D
touchvill Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:11:00 - [70] Originally by: Kvarium Ki Originally by: touchvill Does this effect our war? I wish it did, your faction fitted faction battleships are nasty. Too bad you have to war dec someone in empire to use them instead of taking them out to Venal A corp mate took 2 of his million Navy Raven's to Venal. Bit pointless leaving them there considering we left alliance stuff to do some empire stuff. Don't think it matters whether we use them in empire or 0.0 you have a chance to kill them in both places when at war with us. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Kvarium Ki legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:40:00 - [71] Originally by: touchvill Originally by: Kvarium Ki Originally by: touchvill Does this effect our war? I wish it did, your faction fitted faction battleships are nasty. Too bad you have to war dec someone in empire to use them instead of taking them out to Venal A corp mate took 2 of his million Navy Raven's to Venal. Bit pointless leaving them there considering we left alliance stuff to do some empire stuff. Don't think it matters whether we use them in empire or 0.0 you have a chance to kill them in both places when at war with us. You're right Touchill, my bad. You guys are top notch pilots obviously and it can be a little bit frustrating fighting the likes of you sometimes. See you out in space. KK.
Dark Klotz Amarr Malik Enterprises Inc Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:43:00 - [72] Signed. FLA has been great. I couldn't ask for better friends than Slinktress, Coldkill and the guys, except maybe Stitch and his deep accent that makes it hard to understand his FC'ing CPU is behind you all the way guys! ---------------------------- Alliance Executive Head of Diplomatic Relations Combined Planetary Union
Gemini Hypernova Clan LoKi R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.04 19:32:00 - [73] Freelancer Alliance you are a bunch of stand up guys. Unlike your supposed IRON compatriots who didn't even defend the north with you, you guys held your own against all odds and even lasted longer then D2 under sustained assault. I have nothing but the utmost respect for your alliance and I wish you good luck in your future endeavours. Your type of tenacity is far and few within your coalition brethren (IRON) and maybe you have been on the wrong side all along. Just a thought.
Swanny231 KAOS. KA0S Theory	Posted - 2007.07.04 19:50:00 - [74] Edited by: Swanny231 on 04/07/2007 19:50:27 This happening all over, There are only a select few Northern alliance's I have respect for, I have nothing but respect for my former alliance, I wish you all the best of luck, you are a class act, unlike some of the alliance's we helped, Slink I don't know how you do it, you have one hell of a heart,it really saddens me to see you all go through this, after all FLA has done and gone through. P.S I miss the late night chats Slink, you really know how to make someone feel good when times are bad. nothn but love for you. ------------ This is my sig, there are many like this, but this one is mine !
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 20:57:00 - [75] FLA fought harder and longer than anyone expected them too, and they have oodles of respect from us for that. There are few things in EVE that others will look up to besides giving it your best and going down with a fight. Even further, rather than bending over backwards for the people who just took your home, you moved to another area to keep fighting and building up so that you could rejoin the fight. That's a lesson that more than a few alliances could learn from.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2007.07.04 21:39:00 - [76] FLA deserves nothing but respect. Little balls of mud people can sling at them mean nothing when you look at their overall structure. FLA has been around through a lot of damaging things that would make other alliances fold, yet here they are. I've always thought, with their tenacity and determination, if they ever did get a sizable amount of power they would be unstoppable. A lot of you talking trash should count yourself lucky they don't. But who knows, one day... __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 21:40:00 - [77] Edited by: Stitcher on 04/07/2007 21:43:39 I rather imagine that if a spy ever worked his way into the secure fleet command or seniors sections of our forums, they'd find enough dirt on me that at least five people would have actionable cases against me for libel Having said that, the thing that mostly keeps me flying with FLA (apart from the people) is the attitude. FLA flies under a concrete code of conduct (which is perma-stickied on our boards, for anyone who wants to go take a look ) and we have a stated intent to operate with the utmost in moral integrity. This suits me to the core. As somebody here said, when it comes down to it, the only things we truly own in EVE is our reputation. Everything else is technically owned by CCP. A reputation is a strange thing. a poor reputation is robust and healthy. You can work extremely hard on improving it, but it will take forever and ever to improve. An exemplary reputation is shining and pretty and desirable, but fractures start to appear the moment somebody shoots it with so much as a dirty glance, whether that glance is warranted or not. It's far easier to sling mud at a shining reputation than it is to clean up a dirty one. We can only ask that the people we have a good relationship with, no matter whether that be a good friendly relationship, or a good hostile relationship, remember that we hold our integrity to be the most valuable thing we have. We will never intentionally embark on a course of action that we feel will damage that integrity. We will never knowingly stab anyone in the back. We will never take any course of action with the intent of profiting off the misfortune of an ally or friend. We will never betray our principles. And for the record: Infiltrating our alliance with an alt, cutting a quote from our private forums, deleting substantial bits of it, and then posting it out of context on these boards? I can't think of any ways to try and take the moral high ground that would make you look more like a hypocrite than you presently do. Whoever you are, Barry, I think your only hope of restoring any claim to integrity at this point would be to identify yourself so that we can excise your presence from our alliance and forum. ***
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.04 22:40:00 - [78] As an ex-NFC member I thought nothing would please me more then watching FLA and IRON rip each other apart as we were backstabbed by both alliances back in the day. But seeing the high praise you got from MC and the new leaders that you have I hope FLA can turn it's misfortune around and build a better, brighter future. We did. Who knows, maybe one day you'll be in a position to truely repay IRON. As for any-old-IRON, guess it's just another day at the Bureau of Realpolitik.... +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 00:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 04/07/2007 21:43:39 I rather imagine that if a spy ever worked his way into the secure fleet command or seniors sections of our forums, they'd find enough dirt on me that at least five people would have actionable cases against me for libel Having said that, the thing that mostly keeps me flying with FLA (apart from the people) is the attitude. FLA flies under a concrete code of conduct (which is perma-stickied on our boards, for anyone who wants to go take a look ) and we have a stated intent to operate with the utmost in moral integrity. This suits me to the core. As somebody here said, when it comes down to it, the only things we truly own in EVE is our reputation. Everything else is technically owned by CCP. A reputation is a strange thing. a poor reputation is robust and healthy. You can work extremely hard on improving it, but it will take forever and ever to improve. An exemplary reputation is shining and pretty and desirable, but fractures start to appear the moment somebody shoots it with so much as a dirty glance, whether that glance is warranted or not. It's far easier to sling mud at a shining reputation than it is to clean up a dirty one. We can only ask that the people we have a good relationship with, no matter whether that be a good friendly relationship, or a good hostile relationship, remember that we hold our integrity to be the most valuable thing we have. We will never intentionally embark on a course of action that we feel will damage that integrity. We will never knowingly stab anyone in the back. We will never take any course of action with the intent of profiting off the misfortune of an ally or friend. We will never betray our principles. And for the record: Infiltrating our alliance with an alt, cutting a quote from our private forums, deleting substantial bits of it, and then posting it out of context on these boards? I can't think of any ways to try and take the moral high ground that would make you look more like a hypocrite than you presently do. Whoever you are, Barry, I think your only hope of restoring any claim to integrity at this point would be to identify yourself so that we can excise your presence from our alliance and forum. In case you missed it, it was Osiris Warp's alt. Read a few posts above, and ask your alliance mate about it How are ya doing, anyway Stitch? You still being slave driven with the recruitment security slog work? This thread is fun. Lots of good faces. --------
Khan Singh Power systems	Posted - 2007.07.05 00:24:00 - [80] The IRON you are appealing to, no longer exist. Your attempts to invoke a sense of honor and comradeship are not likely to sway find with the current influential sect of IRON leadership. Hopefully better minds will prevail and IRON will return to the foundation of the alliance and then the before mentioned faction will find other ways to feed their egos.
Daedal Virtu GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.05 00:34:00 - [81] I don't believe any member of IRON has the right to question FLA after they fought so hard to keep IRONs space when IRON suddenly vanished appearing only after the North was lost. You missed the entire battle to hold the north. I'm surprised you still keep your name. I can say that until I left FLA we had not negotiated with any hostiles other than MC and TRI. We negotiated with TRI in attempt to provide a united defense, and we negotiated with MC for our withdrawal from the region when all hope was finally lost. From memory, most pilots I saw were leaving in shuttles and newb ships. Unlike IRON I've been there when there is nothing left, no hope of help from friends and all thats left is to go down swinging as hard as we can. Our enemies have time and time again backed this up. Its so sad that old friends have less respect that new enemies. Freelancer Alliance values it friends and respects it enemies, and time and time again it has cost them. Faces have changed and corps have come and gone. The core spirit of FLA still seems to remain. To all those still there you have friends and enemies that will continue to respect you and will come if they are needed. To those who like to discredit based on edited forum information you seriously misunderstand FLA. All options are considered even if they are not liked or practical, all viewpoints are taken into consideration. Most of all even the leader of the alliance follows the will of the people who ELECT him. Rev may have thought that was the best option but the fact that they have not moved and still stand their ground says that no much has changed. FLA has stood alone at the gates of hell watching the best PVPers in EVE come after them and not backed down. What makes you think they will do so now. Rule of Three Peon or maybe not...:P <No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced>
Boliknar Divine Republic Holding LLC.	Posted - 2007.07.05 00:35:00 - [82] Originally by: Apolluon Originally by: Karim alRashid So, FLA change coats and finance (with how much, 20bil?) MC war machine ... I'm sure next MC contract targets will be very happy with FLA. What coat? Honestly, answer that. Exactly who's coat were they wearing? They had every intention of wearing the northern coalitions coat. Unfortunately for them, they didn't get the memo to paint a HUGE yellow stripe on the back of it, like most of the other folks up there did when the time came to defend FLA space. I hope the best for FLA, if that means moving stations, buying stations, etc, good for them. Before you set about trying to flame them for their decisions, I'd like to see exactly how much you bled for them, and since that's probably not much, follow that up with why you think you're entitled to criticize their decisions. Apolluon Someone from ESA who ran screaming like a spanked school girl from BWF surrendering to two pirate corps should not be calling into question anyone elses "testicluar fortitude". Might just wanna check on your own history before bagging on someone elses. Boli
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Twin Power Enterprises LTD	Posted - 2007.07.05 00:59:00 - [83] Edited by: Ikarus Gaul on 05/07/2007 01:01:33 I know FLA and its current leadership is honorable, and it is a sad era indeed when IRON starts to fire on such a stalwart ally. For those who think likewise, consider donating a small amount of your idle ISK (if that applies to you). Even though I'm not currently a member, I'm putting my money into a renewed FLA because I admire what they stand for and how they conduct themselves. Keep it up and make us proud, Slinky and FLA comrades! EDIT: To clarify, this is my own idea and position, and not an appeal by the FLA for funds from the greater Eve community. It's just nice to be nice sometimes... Drones are like puppies... disobedient and just as hard to housebreak.
Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.07.05 01:46:00 - [84] Originally by: Boliknar Someone from ESA who ran screaming like a spanked school girl from BWF surrendering to two pirate corps should not be calling into question anyone elses "testicluar fortitude". Might just wanna check on your own history before bagging on someone elses. Boli Who did ESA abandon up there? Clue me in here, because I wasn't up there in E-U Zergfleet at the time or anything. Seriously, the rumored whispers, and slight strands of intellect you show by being able to grasp portions of historical data... they're completely overshadowed by your complete inability to form them into a coherent, logical response. You don't even know what you don't know about what happened. You just think you have a clue. You should go buy one, it'll be faster. Fubar
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.07.05 01:49:00 - [85] aye they need some reconsolidation, perhaps some ongoing raids and small scale warfare against their enemies. Think mobile pick some new enemies head south do something to keep the alliance peeps up in ISK and mobile
Korr E'Hahnah Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.05 02:32:00 - [86] It's posts like this that are one of the may reasons why I'm comfortable having FLA now neutral. The fact that everyone keeps mentioning FLA "defended their space." I'll give them that, with an extra couple of months of carebearing while the rest of the coalition was on the offensive, which they were repeatedly asked to join in on, anywhere. The coalition was spending its resources as FLA carebeared away in the north and finally, when FLA was attacked, greedily defended what had been given to them by the north, patting themselves on the back after a few weeks before they were offered a deal to extract themselves and the ISK they had horded away, which was supposedly offered for Branch and lost (another reason). There was definitely enough ISK to offer to buy the 3 IRON stations during their cease fire to remove their gear from their space. I could only assume, as I posted in discussions about that offer, that they had been granted a deal if they were willing to spend ISK on stations that were next (after FLA fell, it was IRON space, Sparta space (hmmm... they grew in the war?) or D2 space... why offer to buy IRON stations? Suspect then. Suspect now. We chose not to fight for Dek as we couldn't muster a force greater than the 80 dreads and motherships that came into Dek and we don't make deals with the enemy. FLA fought for weeks? We fought for months. That isk you obviously had post-Dek to buy stations from IRON and/or the enemy could have come in handy in the south during the pushes. Those caps sure would have helped MM and Razor and IRON in Querious.
Daedal Virtu GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.05 02:50:00 - [87] Edited by: Daedal Virtu on 05/07/2007 02:51:35 Funny how quickly you forget the freighter loads of T2 modules we were shipping over there to supply your fleets... We never had any intention of occupying IRON space or any eyes on IRONs stations. While you were down south, we were in fountain. Oh and before we started to defend ourselves instead of supplying the war effort in the south we had a grand total of 3.7bil in the alliance wallet to fund our defense. Good luck buying an stations with that. Rule of Three Peon or maybe not...:P <No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced>
Korr E'Hahnah Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.05 03:09:00 - [88] You sir, are misinformed or a liar.
coldkill Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 03:11:00 - [89] Edited by: coldkill on 05/07/2007 03:10:58 Coldkill Friend of Ushra'Khan.
FotoFlame E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:07:00 - [90] Originally by: coldkill Edited by: coldkill on 05/07/2007 03:56:12 Just an observation. It seems IRON, through alternative characters or through their mains are trying desperately to turn the world against FLA. I can't help but wonder why. /puts on tinfoil hat Given that IRON spent a considerable amount of the past year trying to convince the rest of the North not to turn against you, I'd suggest you rethink that statement.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:15:00 - [91] Edited by: dastommy79 on 05/07/2007 04:16:53 Originally by: Korr E'Hahnah Edited by: Korr E''Hahnah on 05/07/2007 03:41:03 It's posts like this that are one of the may reasons why I'm comfortable having FLA now neutral. The fact that everyone keeps mentioning FLA "defended their space." I'll give them that, with an extra couple of months of carebearing while the rest of the coalition was on the offensive, which they were repeatedly asked to join in on, anywhere. The coalition was spending its resources as FLA carebeared away in the north and finally, when FLA was attacked, greedily defended what had been given to them by the north, patting themselves on the back after a few weeks before they were offered a deal to extract themselves and the ISK they had horded away, which was supposedly offered for Fade and lost (another reason). There was definitely enough ISK to offer to buy the 3 IRON stations during their cease fire to remove their gear from their space. I could only assume, as I posted in discussions about that offer, that they had been granted a deal if they were willing to spend ISK on stations that were next (after FLA fell, it was IRON space, Sparta space (hmmm... they grew in the war?) or D2 space... why offer to buy IRON stations? Suspect then. Suspect now. We chose not to fight for Dek as we couldn't muster a force greater than the 80 dreads and motherships that came into Dek and we don't make deals with the enemy. FLA fought for weeks? We fought for months. That isk you obviously had post-Dek to buy stations from IRON and/or the enemy could have come in handy in the south during the pushes. Those caps sure would have helped MM and Razor and IRON in Querious. Again let me start out by saying i have a lot of respect for the IRON pilots and a couple friends in your alliance. When the great war broke out, FLA spent a week carebearing because we had lost a ton of ships defending iron space while BE were up in dek killing IRON residents. We then sent our pvprs over to fountain to reinforce Sparta and D2 forces. Some of our pilots joined you further south but with TRI/FLA still being red to each other caused some problems. We then recalled back to dek for a couple of days and went on the offensive against youwhat. We captured 2 of their stations but were unable to take the last due to 16 omg i cant put a dent in this thing towers. Think we held enemy stations longer than most members of the coalition besides goons. We get word MC coming north and without much help from the coalition in fountain, we withdraw to dek to put up a defence. Fight MC and friends for 7 weeks while Northern operations against FIX continue to fail. Iron razor and others come back north but its too late to stop the steamroller. FLA did not have a cap fleet, we were in the process of building one when the war broke out. Communication and coordination was garbage in the north. I know a bunch of iron pilots who will agree with me. So greedily defending our space would be the wrong term. We were waiting to be ask to do a coordinated defence which hardly every came. So we defended what we had with everything we got. After we lost our space, most of the pvprs moved into iron and sparta space to continue the fight. I still have ships in roir waiting for the iron counter offensive but they sit there collecting dust. I personaly came out of the MC campaign with 100mill (sold my ratting raven) flying a t1 fitted thorax. My ass is still broke. As for offers, yeah people like the way we handled ourselves so they sent us offers. I still dont see us occuping a friends station. This post is not ment to say we are better than you bull crap. We did what we could, the same as you did. We fought the good fight and we still do even if we waste a lot of our ammo on each other instead of bob pets. EDIT; I agree with foto flame on this one. IRON pilots did come to our defence when other northern entitys decided we were too much a pain in the ass to deal with. A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P
coldkill Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:32:00 - [92] Originally by: FotoFlame Originally by: coldkill Edited by: coldkill on 05/07/2007 03:56:12 Just an observation. It seems IRON, through alternative characters or through their mains are trying desperately to turn the world against FLA. I can't help but wonder why. /puts on tinfoil hat Given that IRON spent a considerable amount of the past year trying to convince the rest of the North not to turn against you, I'd suggest you rethink that statement. Sorry you misunderstood me. I meant specifically in this topic, not in the world of EVE. I will not speak of what else I know of what IRON has been trying to do, thinking of doing and indeed discussing doing. Coldkill Friend of Ushra'Khan.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:32:00 - [93] Originally by: FotoFlame Originally by: coldkill Edited by: coldkill on 05/07/2007 03:56:12 Just an observation. It seems IRON, through alternative characters or through their mains are trying desperately to turn the world against FLA. I can't help but wonder why. /puts on tinfoil hat Given that IRON spent a considerable amount of the past year trying to convince the rest of the North not to turn against you, I'd suggest you rethink that statement. FLA was always worried about helping out their allies in the north. Funny though how when the going gets tough practically all those northern alliances folded like a deck of cards far quicker than FLA did. Now look at where those super powers are, squabbling on the forums as if they really matter now. The north showed its salt when the going got tough and frankly and ironically, FLA was one of the few that actually stood up to the test. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Osiris Warp E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:46:00 - [94] Seriously guys enough is enough we have all been screaming at each other for a while now lol. Lets just let it go and move on. The facts remain YES FLA did defend the north congrats on that but don't pretend like you did it for IRON as it was well known fact we where not going to defend after spending so much effort attacking Querious. Now before this ends into world war 3 lets just all take a deep breath and try to have some fun Hope to see you out there -------------------------------------------------- "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
Inbred Gallente Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:47:00 - [95] Edited by: Inbred on 05/07/2007 04:50:54 Originally by: Grim Faust FLA was always worried about helping out their allies in the north. Funny though how when the going gets tough practically all those northern alliances folded like a deck of cards far quicker than FLA did. Now look at where those super powers are, squabbling on the forums as if they really matter now. The north showed its salt when the going got tough and frankly and ironically, FLA was one of the few that actually stood up to the test. As far as i can tell FLA and their friends are the only ones squabbling here. The OP is a blatent pop for sympathy. And I assume you mean "FLA stood up to the test" as opposed to "still lost" and "made a deal with the MC"? Yes exactly. Look it's a standings reset, don't take it personal.
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Twin Power Enterprises LTD	Posted - 2007.07.05 05:16:00 - [96] Originally by: Inbred ...The OP is a blatent pop for sympathy... If you knew Slinky better, either by direct experience or by reputation, I doubt that you'd hold that opinion. Ask around - most would tell you she's a class act. Drones are like puppies... disobedient and just as hard to housebreak.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2007.07.05 06:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Inbred Edited by: Inbred on 05/07/2007 04:50:54 Originally by: Grim Faust FLA was always worried about helping out their allies in the north. Funny though how when the going gets tough practically all those northern alliances folded like a deck of cards far quicker than FLA did. Now look at where those super powers are, squabbling on the forums as if they really matter now. The north showed its salt when the going got tough and frankly and ironically, FLA was one of the few that actually stood up to the test. As far as i can tell FLA and their friends are the only ones squabbling here. The OP is a blatent pop for sympathy. And I assume you mean "FLA stood up to the test" as opposed to "still lost" and "made a deal with the MC"? Yes exactly. Look it's a standings reset, don't take it personal. Dear Spartan, You have ZERO room to talk. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.05 06:27:00 - [98] Originally by: barry warzght FACT: FLA lost its space FACT: FLA proven to negotiate with known enemies ?? this not getting through Its getting through mister cowardly alt. What hasn't got through to you, is that MC never considered FLA enemies in the tragedy that was acted out in our punitive campaign against D2. We saw them, and SPARTA, more as potential clients, forced into the role of victim and meatshield through the actions of IRON and D2. We stressed to them both 'we are not here for you .. stand aside'. And both refused to do so, Sparta losing their entire capital fleet, FLA losing their homes .. all to buy time for the D2 freighter convoys fleeing to empire (IRON had pulled out even earlier). So yes. MC is not their enemy. They had enough enemies on THEIR side in the coallition, including you and your parent alliance, Mr Anonymous Alt. They just didn't know it till they had lost - and turned round to see that you had fled. Myn
Rabb Darktide Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.05 07:40:00 - [99] The following IS NOT official Oxide policy.. Rather, it is my personal take on this situation... Anyone wonder why the north fell so fast? It was due, 100% to the inability of the coalition to work together.. IRON shooting FLA is yet another sign that NO ONE learned this lesson... FLA made a mistake in trying to work a deal with MC and YW, but, who in IRON has never made one? ---- Rabb Darktide Cirrius Technologies / O X I D E High Council
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:20:00 - [100] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/07/2007 06:40:06 Originally by: barry warzght FACT: FLA lost its space FACT: FLA proven to negotiate with known enemies ?? this not getting through Its getting through mister cowardly alt. What hasn't got through to you, is that MC never considered FLA enemies in the tragedy that was acted out in our punitive campaign against D2. We saw them, and SPARTA, more as potential clients, forced into the role of victim and meatshield through the actions of IRON and D2. We stressed to them both 'we are not here for you .. stand aside'. And both refused to do so, Sparta losing their entire capital fleet, FLA losing their homes .. all to buy time for the D2 freighter convoys fleeing to empire (IRON had pulled out even earlier). So yes. MC is not their enemy. They had enough enemies on THEIR side in the coallition, including you and your parent alliance, Mr Anonymous Alt. They just didn't know it till they had lost everything they owned - and turned round to see that you had fled with everything YOU owned. Myn I'm probably going to get beaten up for posting in here but feel compelled to respond to this by saying oh please save us from all this MC <3 FLA, of course you do, sky high kill ratios from repeated failed lemming attacks that bolster your e-peen and kill boards, of course you love them. It has already been pointed out in this thread (and ignored by you) that IRON went all in to the Querious campaign for 5 MONTHS, we stripped out our players and ships from Deklein MONTHS BEFORE your 80 strong cap superblob showed up. IRON was formed with an MO of fighting BOB and it's peons in the ashes of the GNW, and this seemed the real deal so we went for it and after 5 months of combat had very little left to fight with so to preserve our allaince did not defend our stations. Apologies if this did not give you the opportunity to gank us relentlessly for 7 weeks like you did with FLA. No-one was a better friend to FLA than IRON in getting them established in Deklein, but we smelt the coffee and GTFO and don't see why we should apologise for being realistic about Cap ship online and what our capabilties are. Also freighters full of t2 mods??? not sure what you been smoking but that was sure as hell never seen by our pilots! This whole thread is a forum drama that would have been much better as an eve-mail or convo but we are where we are and my final comment is the past is the past, adapt or die. Oh and this is not an alt! (for which I'm probably going to get my head caved in! ) gee
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:32:00 - [101] Originally by: geewiz No-one was a better friend to FLA than IRON... Lies! We love them more than anyone.
Gharthak Gallente The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:38:00 - [102] Sigh.. FLA.. Give up the political assassination or I'm going to start changing standings.
XxAngelxX Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:05:00 - [103] OP makes me cringe. FLA were lucky to have IRON as friends for a very long time. --------------------------------------
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:03:00 - [104] FLA appear to have no idea what IRON did for them before this war started.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:17:00 - [105] Originally by: Tozmeister As an ex-NFC member I thought nothing would please me more then watching FLA and IRON rip each other apart as we were backstabbed by both alliances back in the day. But seeing the high praise you got from MC and the new leaders that you have I hope FLA can turn it's misfortune around and build a better, brighter future. We did. Who knows, maybe one day you'll be in a position to truely repay IRON. As for any-old-IRON, guess it's just another day at the Bureau of Realpolitik.... Go back to your corner. I seem to remember it being your corp that decided to help the Goons invade Fade. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:52:00 - [106] Like my compatriot, my opinion is not official, simply my own, but I do accept that some will take it so, in spite of stating so in advance. I know in my time up in Fade, and Dek, I saw many people, and did many things. (Most of them involved dying horribly, but I digress...) Considering that combat isn't my area of expertise, my direct contact was limited. However, I have seen many FLA pilots working hard out there. Friends I have in MM, RAZOR, and a few other places I will not name, all give FLA the respect it seems due whenever I hear about them. "Tenacious", "dedicated", and "too damn stubborn" are all things that I can quote. It's easy for those who go off and visit others in wartime to talk large, but the pilots left at home, holding things down never seem to get a break. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips IT WAS ME, MUHAHAHA. -Hango How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn always fashionably late - Deckard
GottesWerk	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:59:00 - [107] Edited by: GottesWerk on 05/07/2007 12:00:27 Alt post! See original post below.
TeufelsBeitrag Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:00:00 - [108] Edited by: TeufelsBeitrag on 05/07/2007 12:00:54 Originally by: Darknesss FLA appear to have no idea what IRON did for them before this war started. Oh, im sure most of FLA do know. But the problem is the current situation. In the end all this finger pointing from FLA and IRON doesnt help anybody. Originally by: Darknesss Sigh.. FLA.. Give up the political assassination or I'm going to start changing standings. Im not sure what the intention of Slink was, by making this thread, but i think its more a honest "we love our allys" than a "IRON sucks" thread. In my opinion this thread is completly unnecessary and not thought through, threatening with the changing of standings because people cook up old storys in COAD dont seem like a well thought decision either. This is not a "political assassination", the smacking started after a IRON-alt decided to start heating things up. And he sure as hell used his alt because its way under IRONs level to do things like this. Please read the full thread. Lets stop the smack and go back to the original meaning of the thread, what ever it was. I think it has something to do with "<3".
Bobby Atlas Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:13:00 - [109] Originally by: Osiris Warp Seriously guys enough is enough we have all been screaming at each other for a while now lol. Lets just let it go and move on. The facts remain YES FLA did defend the north congrats on that but don't pretend like you did it for IRON as it was well known fact we where not going to defend after spending so much effort attacking Querious. Now before this ends into world war 3 lets just all take a deep breath and try to have some fun Hope to see you out there Here-Here - let it go everyone, IRON was friends to FLA when it counted - at times when nobody else was our friends or would send help. Do not insult IRON integrity for having a different approuch to dealing with the fate of the north than we (FLA) did at the time. Be it one man, be it a fleet, be it a group of carriers - IRON was always at our side - the numbers mean nothing, it is that there flag stood alongside FLA's when it counted and anyone who states otherwise is ignorantly blind to what was going on out there. Let the communication and in-fighting issues of the north be a leason to all, strength comes in unity and that can only happen with a cohesive and CIVIL line of dialog between allied alliances to stand against greater threats. o7 osiris, be well mate.
Drutt Warsong Absolute Wrath Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:27:00 - [110] Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:58 Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:35 this thread is a perfect example of why the coalition will not win. The allies are united and follow one leader, Sir Molle. While the coalition is bogged down in a quagmire of arrogance ,petty disputes and stupidity. Here you have a alliance that has shown it will fight no matter the odds , (something the coalition desperatly needs),wants to remain allied with the coalition and instead of valuing them you turn against them,mock them and drive them away. This is kind of conduct has sent far more people to BoB and the Allies then anything else. The coalition is like a snake swallowing its own tail, your destroying yourselfs and untill you find a leader you will all follow you have no chance. This leader dosnt have to be the best strategic leader or the best tacticaly, all they need to have is honor,integrity and high moral standards. They just need to be someone that you can trust too treat everyone fairly. Once you find this leader they can then build a chain of command involving all the coalition alliances. unfortunatley these kinds of people are hard to find,from reading the forums the only coalition leader that has shown they remotely meet the requirements is Slinktress, and look how your treating her.
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:00:00 - [111] Originally by: Drutt Warsong Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:58 Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:35 this thread is a perfect example of why the coalition will not win. The allies are united and follow one leader, Sir Molle. While the coalition is bogged down in a quagmire of arrogance ,petty disputes and stupidity. Here you have a alliance that has shown it will fight no matter the odds , (something the coalition desperatly needs),wants to remain allied with the coalition and instead of valuing them you turn against them,mock them and drive them away. This is kind of conduct has sent far more people to BoB and the Allies then anything else. The coalition is like a snake swallowing its own tail, your destroying yourselfs and untill you find a leader you will all follow you have no chance. This leader dosnt have to be the best strategic leader or the best tacticaly, all they need to have is honor,integrity and high moral standards. They just need to be someone that you can trust too treat everyone fairly. Once you find this leader they can then build a chain of command involving all the coalition alliances. unfortunatley these kinds of people are hard to find,from reading the forums the only coalition leader that has shown they remotely meet the requirements is Slinktress, and look how your treating her. someone who can use and abuse her pets - RA-goonswarm fit perfectly
Mrrzah Amarr Word of Blake	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:12:00 - [112] Originally by: Drutt Warsong Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:58 Edited by: Drutt Warsong on 05/07/2007 12:27:35 this thread is a perfect example of why the coalition will not win. The allies are united and follow one leader, Sir Molle. While the coalition is bogged down in a quagmire of arrogance ,petty disputes and stupidity. Here you have a alliance that has shown it will fight no matter the odds , (something the coalition desperatly needs),wants to remain allied with the coalition and instead of valuing them you turn against them,mock them and drive them away. This is kind of conduct has sent far more people to BoB and the Allies then anything else. The coalition is like a snake swallowing its own tail, your destroying yourselfs and untill you find a leader you will all follow you have no chance. This leader dosnt have to be the best strategic leader or the best tacticaly, all they need to have is honor,integrity and high moral standards. They just need to be someone that you can trust too treat everyone fairly. Once you find this leader they can then build a chain of command involving all the coalition alliances. unfortunatley these kinds of people are hard to find,from reading the forums the only coalition leader that has shown they remotely meet the requirements is Slinktress, and look how your treating her. What the.. If goose-stepping behind some glorious figurehead is your thing, then more power to you. It sure as hell isn't everyone's. People like their independence, that is what the whole thing is about.
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:28:00 - [113] Frankly the past is the past, lets talk about the future. If Iron and FLA want to work things out, I'd be happy to work with both groups and come to some sort of understanding. What do FLA plan to do in the future? If you aren't buying the MC stations, what are you doing??
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:04:00 - [114] Originally by: Korr E'Hahnah Edited by: Korr E''Hahnah on 05/07/2007 03:41:03 It's posts like this that are one of the may reasons why I'm comfortable having FLA now neutral. The fact that everyone keeps mentioning FLA "defended their space." I'll give them that, with an extra couple of months of carebearing while the rest of the coalition was on the offensive, which they were repeatedly asked to join in on, anywhere. The coalition was spending its resources as FLA carebeared away in the north and finally, when FLA was attacked, greedily defended what had been given to them by the north, patting themselves on the back after a few weeks before they were offered a deal to extract themselves and the ISK they had horded away, which was supposedly offered for Fade and lost (another reason). There was definitely enough ISK to offer to buy the 3 IRON stations during their cease fire to remove their gear from their space. I could only assume, as I posted in discussions about that offer, that they had been granted a deal if they were willing to spend ISK on stations that were next (after FLA fell, it was IRON space, Sparta space (hmmm... they grew in the war?) or D2 space... why offer to buy IRON stations? Suspect then. Suspect now. We chose not to fight for Dek as we couldn't muster a force greater than the 80 dreads and motherships that came into Dek and we don't make deals with the enemy. FLA fought for weeks? We fought for months. That isk you obviously had post-Dek to buy stations from IRON and/or the enemy could have come in handy in the south during the pushes. Those caps sure would have helped MM and Razor and IRON in Querious. Wait, was I not in Fountain for a month, then? That funny...someone must have been messing with my memory. Because I thought FLA spent a month in Fountain camping Xelas, right up until YW defected. Then, I seem to remember FLA leading the invasion of Cloud Ring, pretty much unaided by the other main players in the north. Then almost as soon as we were repelled from CR, the MC invasion kicked off and we were on the defensive. I don't remember having much time to isk farm in that time...but then again, we've already established The Man has given me false memories. Thank you for correcting me. While you guys were off playing Marine in the south, we were fighting the war in the north. No carebearing was involved... --------
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:45:00 - [115] This thread derailed horribly, and fast. @Slink. Great post. @all others Past is in the past, better use your enegry on building a better tomorrow. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.05 15:11:00 - [116] Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 05/07/2007 15:14:53 Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 05/07/2007 15:14:02 When FLA was first invited to Deklein by IRON, FLA was supposed to build up a large and goodworking market and industrial base in Deklein, being a mainly industrial alliance. The north, and especially Deklein has been largely quiet after the fall of NFC/Sparta I, FLA had many, many months time to build up a large Capital Ship fleet and to supply the Deklein stations with the necesarry resources incase of a prolonged assault on the north, something which we all knew was coming. Admitted, IRON failed to build a large Capital Ship fleet as well during that quiet period, but at least the IRON gangs and fleets ensured relative safety in Deklein, and any invader without a Capital Ship blob of 40 or more would have conquered Deklein with very heavy losses, if they could succesfully invade Deklein in the first place. The fact that FLA only had roughly 4bil in the alliance wallet and no Capital Ship fleet kind of gives away a lot of members didn't contribute to the welfare of Deklein, farming isk for their own means instead. Now, a good deal of FLA did have the best of Deklein and the north in mind, and that were mainly the ones who fought for nearly two months againts MC and allies, and it were the same who were in Fountain and who were sending supplies to Querious to help out IRON. During the last year or so and before the war, IRON has sticked up for FLA on numerous occasions, despite FLA not or barely holding on to their part of the deal. If you'd ask me, Deklein and the north would be totally different if TRI had booted FLA and teamed up with IRON, something which was on the table at one point if I'm not mistaken, but IRON decided to chose for their friends, FLA, instead of sacking them like a useless tool. Now that IRON and FLA no longer hold space in Deklein, and IRON seems to have started with a new slate, it's only natural a standing reset/adjustment has occured. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.05 15:49:00 - [117] FLA never ceases to impress me, to be honest. Good people doing the right thing...even when it hurts. Best of luck to you guys in however this all shakes out for you. Feel free to contact us if you think there's something we can do for ya.
Kelter Highfire Caldari AirHawk Alliance Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.07.05 17:33:00 - [118] Just gonna toss in my .02 iskies here: First things first, nobody has really mentioned that we had a fairly large bit of alliance theft in FLA, where the majority (all?) of our cap fleet was stolen by some folks who later went on to a different alliance. FLA was working toward having a capital fleet when the war broke out, but didn't have the chance to project that power, because we simply didn't have the ships when they were needed. Literally. Second, its all respect for FLA from my quarter. I enjoyed my time up in Dek with you folks highly, and I wish you all the best. Third, IRON pilots are damned fun to fly with, and much respect for your yarr level. Lastly, its always hard to see two old allies set each other neutral, but sometimes you need to shake things up to keep the game fresh. I'm the ex-mining director of my corp, turned into a total PvP fiend. You do what you can to have fun. Respect to Slink for making sure that the EVE world understands the loyalty that FLA has, and respect to IRON for making a tough decision to make their world more fun. Best of luck to both of you. ________________________________ Kelter Highfire Rock Melter and WT Killer
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 17:36:00 - [119] It is most impressive to witness how a suggestion to issue an official forum announcement to alleviate the communications with current allies can develop into a full fledged flame thread filled with bitter accusations and finger pointing.
Antigen Po legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 18:47:00 - [120] Thanks to those who've given us kind words in this thread. As for the whole FLA/IRON friction thing or whatever - truth be told I think we were good allies to each other for the most part during our time in dek. Needless to say things probably couldve gone better if you or us had done things differently here or there at different times in the past. We're all better off though if we just move on without the flames & have fun going forward regardless of what color we are to each other in the overview. <3 Iron may the pew be strong with you (except when its coming at me)
other mickey Gallente Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2007.07.05 19:12:00 - [121] Edited by: other mickey on 05/07/2007 19:13:36 All I see in this topic are a few Iron and a few FLA smacking each other, yet I fail to see any real official stance. Perhaps leaders of the two alliances would like to make one because right now, your pilots are making things a lot worse for both of you. I have respect for IRON and even more for FLA. We were set back hugely when we lost some major corps, a lot of PVP'ers and when Demarcus decided to run off with our Dreads and all the alliances ISK. I personally lost a lot attacking Fountain, attacking and then defending Cloud Ring and the defending Deklein. TBH, I don't really recall all that much ISK making. Why the north fell? Because when we were defending Deklein, 90% of our allies were resident corps and alliances (and what a fantastic job they did!!). What was missing was the infrastructure that should have been there by the Sovereignty Holders! I suspect after we left, nothing changed. D2 had their own problems it seems and once they were sorted they returned to the battle field, however they were weakened and couldn't stand out against MC. I have a lot of respect for MC. You single-handedly defeated the North. All the other reds up there were just sight-seeing from what we could tell. Anyway, it's sad to see FLA and IRON no longer blue to one another. Hope it can all be sorted out!
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.05 19:20:00 - [122] Iron had some really great FCs. I really can't say that I've been on any other TS, where the FC is shouting "Guys, these guys outnumber us 2 to 1. We are so gonna smash 'em to bits!" and actually pulling it off... Those were the days... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.05 19:33:00 - [123] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic <3 IRON and <3 FLA Hopefully I can start playing aain soon...this stuff is heating up! Zimi, come back to me!!! _________________________________________________________
Kodus Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:03:00 - [124] Having had friends in both IRON and FLA, I will only say this about them both, they both have great players and they both have backstabbers....just like almost any other alliance out there. I know OXIDE has had a few problem children of it's own. We take care of the problem and move on. It saddens me to see that the north STILL has not learned the lesson of banding together, instead of taking pot shots at each other. It's easy to shoot at each other, easy to blame the others when in fact it's your own fault for not putting aside petty differences and focusing on the real enemy, the invading force. RULE #1 Protect your own people RULE #2 Protect your home Turf RULE #3 Protect your allies Miss a single rule and you will be divided and conquered. this is how those who invaded the north were able to do so easily. The MAD Pact alliances may gripe and moan at each other internally, but when invaded, all that goes out the door and we rally around each other. That is our strength. To any ally out there, Make the call and we'll be there. To our enemies, Time for fun :), thats what the game is all about right ? YARRRRRR Kodus
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:55:00 - [125] So first the north gets flamed for being a NAPfest and then it gets flamed for not banding together and shooting eachother? Make up your minds. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Quninella Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.06 00:43:00 - [126] Greetings all, To those who are reading this, we thank you for your interest in FLA and what happens next in our story. To those all those who have posted, we thank you for your time, especially the many who had kind words for us . As is always possible with any forum thread the topic sometimes wandered a bit - so thanks to the guys with the scissors too . I think most would agree that this thread has run it's course, but some of you may yet have topics you would like to discuss, there are some things none would expect discussed in public (we're shy), to those people I would suggest you grab one of our diplomatic team IG. Our Diplomatic team includes: Slinktress, Quninella, Kayron Brennan, Professerjoe - we welcome your convos. Now lets all get back to the cold harsh realities of space where our friends are. Q FLA Diplomat
Battle Tested Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.07.06 22:49:00 - [127] Back to what this thread was initially intended to be for, we would like to thank FLA for a great op and CPU and FLA have been good friends for quite some time and we have a deep respect for FLA and will come to aid FLA any time they need it. As for the ignorant forum bickering which has infested this thread to turn it into a schoolhouse playground brawl, let it go guys...the past is the past and the biggest issue is FLA didnt sell out, and they didnt sell out any of their friends. They were outgunned as we all know and had to rebuild. Good luck in future endeavors from all members of CPU and we look forward to flying with you in future operations. In our hearts and minds FLA is a true class act and we are proud to have them as friends. Congratulations on your latest achievements and on a successful operation which we are proud to have been a part of.
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:09:00 - [128] One thing about living in the new north, it's rarely dull :) Respect to the original poster for acknowledging others, a rare feat on a board full of angsty e-peen cranking.
Mr Omniblivion	Posted - 2007.07.07 06:59:00 - [129] Rock on FLA............... rock on.
Alchemos Gallente Middle School Comedy Club	Posted - 2007.07.07 08:29:00 - [130] typical bleeding heart liberal.
Pacala Gallente AirHawk Alliance Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.07.10 03:18:00 - [131] The purpose of this post is as follows: o/ Slinky, you fox. o/ BGG, LOQ, DI-TRON, KVEC, Galaxy Punks, you guys were great to fly with. Thanks to cold, and Stitcher for great FC-ing. Thanks to Patch for being a crazy mofo with his carrier. FLA was a good home and good group. TRI was a good adversary, and IRON was a good ally. MC should get hired by the IRS, and all the new FLA members deserve a home. Fly safe. __________________________________________________ I haven't needed a signature for 4 years. ccp = cccp? discuss
tazer Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.07.10 03:29:00 - [132] I do love how friendly MC is to FLA now. I really don't know how FLA could have held out for so long all by themselves.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.10 06:50:00 - [133] Edited by: pershphanie on 10/07/2007 06:52:10 Quote: What Does Friendship Mean to FLA? From my personal experience it seems to mean turning on you the second things don't go your way. When I met you guys you were an empire carebear alliance. Gave you your own chunk of 0.0 space to live in. Then when it looked like things werent going your way for 2 days you set us -10 and attacked us with your only explanation being "sorry. we think long term your enemies are more(likely to win) stable." But good like with your righteous crusade against bob. Give em hell Iron ------>PҼſϚի<------
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.07.10 09:43:00 - [134] Originally by: fire 59 Edited by: fire 59 on 04/07/2007 11:06:02 Edited by: fire 59 on 04/07/2007 10:30:08 Edited by: fire 59 on 04/07/2007 10:25:39 Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Originally by: fire 59 You are always true to your word and that is proceless imo Empty words from someone in an alliance of backstabbers. Wtb, 1500 units of 'troll begone' Edit - @ pugwash below me. Your entitled to your opinion dude, i have nver cheated, i don't know of any bobs that have cheated so seeing as your replying to me and i have done neither, your trolling is misplaced. Jus tbecause you think you know everything about all bobs doesnt make it fact, your opinion and nothing else, as i have my opinion and what i see and know, seeing as im actually there. Please leave the derailing trolling stuff for another thread, this isn't about bob so leave it that way Edit ( again ) - @ pugwash. You can do your e martyr thing and puff your chest out, preaching to the masses that you are correct and that im wrong, your cleever and im stupid yada yada yawn. Doesn't change the fact that you are a troll and are derailing this thread. Be a man and walk away dude, save your trolling for a bob thread Sorry about that slinktress <3 The Troll King accusing other people of trolling. Stay away from the trollBgone 1000 buddy... trust me. Anyways bob betraying its word isn't even something to debate. Publicly flaunted standings resets, even betraying the conditions of exiting the alliance, all made publicly. So, what are you attempting to deny again? If you were attempting to paint an honorable picture of bob, uhh.. you can't.. sorry. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion Originally by: CCP Arkanon We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad. Thats one theory.
Hesprax Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:45:00 - [135] Edited by: Hesprax on 10/07/2007 11:46:05 From what I have heard lately it sounds like FLA have stood strong and proud in the face of incredible adversity, loyal to their friends, honourable in battle and unrelenting in their will to hold onto what is theirs and survive.Although I have not followed the events of the last 10 months or so in Deklein partciularly closely, so I only really know what I have been told by old friends and allies and read here. I left the FLA about a year ago now, but I am pleased to hear that you have upheld most of the values that we set the FLA up with originally. I must confess that I do not recognise any of the faces or corporations now posting as FLA, but things change. We left after the war against NFC at the end of summer 2006, passing the executorship of the alliance into the hands of Kinetic Vector, we thought the FLA was falling apart then and had all gotten a bit sick of the politics and general alliance bureaucracy, it had all turned out rather differently to what we had envisioned originally. But look at you now, you held that space we first took in Deklein for a year after we left, I am genuinely impressed, because actual capability on a large scale was something FLA lacked when I was there, spirit, tenacity and honour though have always been their by the bucket load. Stay strong guys, may you rise again someday.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2007.07.10 12:05:00 - [136] Originally by: Hesprax I must confess that I do not recognise any of the faces or corporations now posting as FLA, but things change. We left after the war against NFC at the end of summer 2006, passing the executorship of the alliance into the hands of Kinetic Vector I actually think KVEC are the only original corp left in the alliance at this moment in time, correct me if I'm wrong though. I had a lot of fun and good times in the FLA before too much worrying of "omfg spies are everywhere!!1! we must withhold information from everyone!!111!" and the general incompetence of most of the recent leaders of the alliance forced us to leave. Still, 1,100 members less, the FLA still exists in some form.
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.10 12:10:00 - [137] Originally by: pershphanie From my personal experience it seems to mean turning on you the second things don't go your way. When I met you guys you were an empire carebear alliance. Gave you your own chunk of 0.0 space to live in. Then when it looked like things werent going your way for 2 days you set us -10 and attacked us with your only explanation being "sorry. we think long term your enemies are more(likely to win) stable." Well, judging from your track history, it looks like they were right
johnny cupcakes KAOS.	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:50:00 - [138] "It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood" -theodore roosevelt
Lucian Sulla Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:20:00 - [139] Bah, who revived this thread....it was almost as dead as our friendship with FLA.... No hard feelings guys, we actually like you a lot more now that you're not living next door to us. We're also getting a lot of fun out the fights we've been having up north. I may not respect you as allies, but certainly have plenty for you as opponents.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:23:00 - [140] lol agree with ya on both counts. I was also hoping this thread was dead and i also really didnt respect u guys as an allie but you are fun to fight in the EC area. o/ A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P

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