Quote:

---

Edited by: pooti on 22/01/2004 08:08:06
Edited by: pooti on 22/01/2004 08:07:56
Those wishing to come and fight m0o in Fountain should talk to Stavros, Lord Zap, or Rev to obtain a pass for the region.

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Fuse on 22/01/2004 07:54:59
The FA is fighting them we are taking losses and inflicting them as well. true on the first part more so then the second They have invited EVERY pirate i wish it was every unfortunetly its just umm. more then half the big namesin to this war forming the largest threat to everyone in eve that is not a pirate. no we just want to kill FA like u You know these guys they have bothered and humiliated you ever since beta. well not all, i've only been playin since sept. They (m0o) what about me? in the past used cans to create lag they pod killed your friends that is just one exploit they have used. times i've seen FA exploit , lots including tonight with the grid scanning, times i've seen m0o/FE , none in my presence and none i've heard about, i didn't even bring drones Now it is time to get even.no u just want ur items to get outa Fountain safely Anyone who is anti-pirate who is willing to fight m0o and all of their friends will get a pass in to FA space #1 you can't give out passes to plaecs u don't own/conrol #2 look in ummm.. crime and punishment FA made a public announcement that all owners of passes should leave since you couldn't control it and that you wouldn't sell more passes until after m0o left, well guess what we're still here from me eve-mail Fuse for a pass. You must have a pass into FA to avoid friendly fire. ? from ur current frigates or battleships that are never on/not in deadspace If you provide results CFI will nominate your corp in to FA. can you really keep the FA name if you don't live/occupy/own/control Fountain? so can i make a Pure Blind Alliance even tho i have no idea who currently occupys it These guys are not playing around anymore they have become a threat to every player who is not a pirate. If you do not get involved they will take over 0.0 space in time because all they want to do is kill people and that is where all of their skill points are. They will control the game itself. They use every dirty cheap trick to kill you. They lie and cheat in the game and in the forums. I know most of us work for what we have but they just take. So I ask all of you to say no to them I will issue passes to any corp that wants to fight them. I invite talks with the outer region alliances to merge against the UNITED PIRATE FRONT. I will get flamed for my actions here I know this. Society anywhere in the world is built upon hardworking and good people. NOT PEOPLE THAT USE EVERY EXCUSE TO ABUSE OTHERS. My actions were not discussed by the FA and are not approved by them. I am doing everything in my power to take these guys on. P.S. Don't buy the lies you are told by a >>>>pirate<<<<<<. You need a pass to avoid friendly fire problems.

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Skot 182 on 22/01/2004 08:20:17

Quote:

---

Edited by: Fuse on 22/01/2004 07:54:59
The FA is fighting them we are taking losses and inflicting them as well. true on the first part more so then the second They have invited EVERY pirate i wish it was every unfortunetly its just umm. more then half the big namesin to this war forming the largest threat to everyone in eve that is not a pirate. no we just want to kill FA like u You know these guys they have bothered and humiliated you ever since beta. well not all, i've only been playin since sept. They (m0o) what about me? in the past used cans to create lag they pod killed your friends that is just one exploit they have used. times i've seen FA exploit , lots including tonight with the grid scanning, times i've seen m0o/FE , none in my presence and none i've heard about, i didn't even bring drones Now it is time to get even.no u just want ur items to get outa Fountain safely Anyone who is anti-pirate who is willing to fight m0o and all of their friends will get a pass in to FA space #1 you can't give out passes to plaecs u don't own/conrol #2 look in ummm.. crime and punishment FA made a public announcement that all owners of passes should leave since you couldn't control it and that you wouldn't sell more passes until after m0o left, well guess what we're still here from me eve-mail Fuse for a pass. You must have a pass into FA to avoid friendly fire. ? from ur current frigates or battleships that are never on/not in deadspace If you provide results CFI will nominate your corp in to FA. can you really keep the FA name if you don't live/occupy/own/control Fountain? so can i make a Pure Blind Alliance even tho i have no idea who currently occupys it These guys are not playing around anymore they have become a threat to every player who is not a pirate. If you do not get involved they will take over 0.0 space in time because all they want to do is kill people and that is where all of their skill points are. They will control the game itself. They use every dirty cheap trick to kill you. They lie and cheat in the game and in the forums. I know most of us work for what we have but they just take. So I ask all of you to say no to them I will issue passes to any corp that wants to fight them. I invite talks with the outer region alliances to merge against the UNITED PIRATE FRONT. I will get flamed for my actions here I know this. Society anywhere in the world is built upon hardworking and good people. NOT PEOPLE THAT USE EVERY EXCUSE TO ABUSE OTHERS. My actions were not discussed by the FA and are not approved by them. I am doing everything in my power to take these guys on. P.S. Don't buy the lies you are told by a >>>>pirate<<<<<<. You need a pass to avoid friendly fire problems.

---

---

Quote:

---

Personally I actually hope more people come, more fun. But lets be honest here.

Over the past months, Fountain has kept its region on lock down and rejected many corps from entering Fountain or you had to have a payed pass to hunt or mine or whatever. They never cared about you until now. Now they want something from you and they are offering you cookies when they coulda gave you Big Donutes in the past.

The point is FA is asking for your ship power, nothing more, they dont care about you, im sure if you guys actually do unite and kick us out which I doubt will happen because we will keep on coming no matter what.. they will just kick you out. They just want to use you, nothing more.

By the way, this is pretty funny how FA is still giving out 'passes' when they dont control Fountain anymore, Pirates do.

O btw, Since Coldfusion did a shout out to all non-pirates. Ill do a shout out to all-pirates. Forsaken Empire has planned to make Fountain open to all pirate corporations, so if you wanna make history, come on down to Fountain and help us fight their FRIGATES lol. Talk to some one in Forsaken Empire if your a pirate (descent size) corporation and want to join the Forsaken Empire.

---

Quote:

---

Hmmm, Tank CEO actually has a point here... And i have no clear and serious interest in Fountain as an region, i sure want acces one day...

But even if i come running to aid the cause of m0o etc., i prolly get podded afterwards/during the battle when showing my face in the region.

And so is the same for fountain region who will behave like the stain alliance did in the jove conflict:

STAIN IS NOW OPEN FOR THE JOVE CONFLICT

*jove conflict over* OK THANK YOU FOR THE BPS! BYEBYE

-sounds of lasers blasting at the forces who were invited-

---

Quote:

---

Maybe it's just me but... It sounds like you were killed recently.

---

Quote:

---

FE is not already here, u gota a taste of alittle force from FE. Wait till all of FE get here.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

FE is not already here, u gota a taste of alittle force from FE. Wait till all of FE get here.

---

make a few movies

---

Quote:

---

Hanns aint been on and archain is well nomadic no fe movie makers up here atm :-/

---

Quote:

---

m0o broke fountain.

fe and m0o will occupy it.

Posts like this are proof of the desparation of members of the FA. Its funny how they charge people for entrance one day and then soon as they need help let you in for free.

Even if you buy a pass there is a very good chance you will be shot down by us or the fountain forces. In the heat of battle I doubt many of them will bother to check their passport system.

If you do come to help please bring your valuable modules and cargos.

thxlots

Stav

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

m0o broke fountain.

fe and m0o will occupy it.

Posts like this are proof of the desparation of members of the FA. Its funny how they charge people for entrance one day and then soon as they need help let you in for free.

Even if you buy a pass there is a very good chance you will be shot down by us or the fountain forces. In the heat of battle I doubt many of them will bother to check their passport system.

If you do come to help please bring your valuable modules and cargos.

thxlots

Stav

---

You guys are delusional again. Your propaganda will not save you this time pirate. Your desperation is evidence of your replies.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

m0o broke fountain.

fe and m0o will occupy it.

Posts like this are proof of the desparation of members of the FA. Its funny how they charge people for entrance one day and then soon as they need help let you in for free.

Even if you buy a pass there is a very good chance you will be shot down by us or the fountain forces. In the heat of battle I doubt many of them will bother to check their passport system.

If you do come to help please bring your valuable modules and cargos.

thxlots

Stav

---

You guys are delusional again. Your propaganda will not save you this time pirate. Your desperation is evidence of your replies.

---

Quote:

---

The only thing that has saved Fountain thus far is that the modules that are needed to find you in your safe spots are not yet ingame.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

The only thing that has saved Fountain thus far is that the modules that are needed to find you in your safe spots are not yet ingame.

---

the same thing goes for u. u wouldn't have made it past z30s if those modules existed.

---

Quote:

---

Delusional?

Half of m0o's forces are out of Fountain on another mission. Half of FE's forces have yet to arrive and yet we still occupy Fountain. The only thing that has saved Fountain thus far is that the modules that are needed to find you in your safe spots are not yet ingame.

Make no mistake, Fountain is an occupied region and as the days go on and more equipment pours in thus the remaining small gripe on Fountain will fall.

Fountain lost the war when Z30S-A was lost, your strength was in the corridor that made Fountain a region that could be easily defended in force, your weakness is that that same corridor is now in enemy hands.

---

Quote:

---

We might not have made it after three days, I'll grant you that. But then again, that was a fleet of no more than 20. If needbe between FE, m0o and c0w I could now field a fleet of close to 100 with ease, all in BS's. In your event this weekend you managed to field a force of around 60.

I hear some of your higher ranking officers have already abandoned what remains of FA and moved out.

Your military strength is dwindling, your now no more than hunted rats in a sinking ship and where are your reinforcemtns? Meanwhile, our strength is growing, reinforcements pour in by the hour, more alliances have signed to our flag.

According to the anicent chronicles, Fountain was the first region to fall to pirates, now watch as it falls again, this time however there will be no coming back. Your old home is about to become the first stepping stone for the fall of 0.0 space.

---

Quote:

---

Actually I doubt anyone could take that last post with anything BUT humor Antihero. Because considering the size of the FE your just making an idiot of yourself.

Not that I doubt that the FA could take you down if they actually wanted to.

---

Quote:

---

LOL - rumours suggest that FA have had to call in Evol now. Oh deary me, and you were doing so well pretending everything was o.k FA

---

Quote:

---

For all you non-pirate/non-FA ppl out there reading this... humor me for a few moments. In game, look at the corp info on m0o corp. Notice our corp size: 49. Then, look at the size of the FA. Yes, I know, it is an alliance full of many corps, many of which have more numbers alone then m0o. So, we are comparing an entire alliance to that of a 49 person strong corp. Yes, we have some friends who have decided to come and play... So what? No matter how you spin it, Fountain Alliance, your getting smacked-down by a small force.

---

Quote:

---

Actually I doubt anyone could take that last post with anything BUT humor Antihero. Because considering the size of the FE your just making an idiot of yourself.

Not that I doubt that the FA could take you down if they actually wanted to.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

For all you non-pirate/non-FA ppl out there reading this... humor me for a few moments. In game, look at the corp info on m0o corp. Notice our corp size: 49. Then, look at the size of the FA. Yes, I know, it is an alliance full of many corps, many of which have more numbers alone then m0o. So, we are comparing an entire alliance to that of a 49 person strong corp. Yes, we have some friends who have decided to come and play... So what? No matter how you spin it, Fountain Alliance, your getting smacked-down by a small force.

---

Oh come on my friend, you know full well that any fleet can waltz into any chunk of space if they want to, there's no stopping that - the numbers make it close to impossible to secure anything 23/7, and the tools simply aren't there. Yet.

But you guys keep boasting about it like it's some kind of accomplishment, most of the time even against your better knowledge. Why is that?

Can someone please explain to me the m0o criteria of success? Ganking a few ships every now and then? Maybe you feel your mere presence in a system should strike fear and dispear in the hearts of your enemies, rendering them unable to act, and thus gaining you victory by default?

I dunno, but i do know that no force in Fountain region has been smacked down this far, be it friend or foe, so please - PLEASE - in all fairness, try to stay within the realms of reality when beating your chests. mmmkay?

---

Quote:

---

AntiHero:

Do that 49 times 3 because you all have alts or 2nd acounts not in M0o which are in normal corps and are normal miners ;)

And of course M0o has a very active player base ;)

vs CFS M0o could field a fleet of 12 ships (saw it 1 time) or so :P And still they waited for most of the europeans to log off and strike when they had a 12 to 8 situation ;)

---

Quote:

---

Sorry to break it to you, but this thread was started by FA member begging for help since his alliance is falling, and it started to fall by the hands of m0o.

So in my opinion m0o has every right to beat thier chests, make big statements and act as they want, no one has been able to stop them.

And that gives them the right to act all big and mighty, after all they brought an alliance to its knees in such a short time, resulting in its members making such a post begging for help.

---

Quote:

---

So what stain is saying is that if i help them fight m0o i get acces forever, at the belts to mine and vice versa?

---

Quote:

---

Just waiting for Temujin to try his usual line for forum warfare...

m0o ALLIED WITH PIRATES!

oh err wait err yeah...

lollerskates :D

---

Quote:

---

All your base are belong to us!

Yes, even PAK has joined in with this war to a degree, and all FA ships will be shot on sight. Our motives? The many FA corps that have badgered and interrupted our activities in Aridia.

You will all feel our pain, and you will bow down and serve the pirate union.

---

Quote:

---

Fountain lost the war when Z30S-A was lost, your strength was in the corridor that made Fountain a region that could be easily defended in force, your weakness is that that same corridor is now in enemy hands.

---

Quote:

---

thats it get it all out...

bet you feel much better now eh temujin :D

it isn't a thread with you on it unless you are talking about pirates being allied to someone.

---

Quote:

---

The funny thing is that FA were the pirates that charged an extortion fee to go to their territory. If you didnt pay up, they killed you without warning. Now, they want all the unwashed (as they have been known to call ppl) to come to thier aid. LOL, I hope ppl spit in your face, as I know they will/have. You sir are beyond contempt.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Fountain lost the war when Z30S-A was lost, your strength was in the corridor that made Fountain a region that could be easily defended in force, your weakness is that that same corridor is now in enemy hands.

---

We never lost Z30S-A.

You just decided to wake up at 05:00 EVEtime when absolutely no-one in FA is awake and go through then.

You didn't win Z30S-A, you snuck in.

A valid tactic but it was never a military victory.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

A valid tactic but it was never a military victory.

---

i take it you like contradicting yourself?

---

Quote:

---

FA decide to open fountain and let people in.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

All your base are belong to us!

Yes, even PAK has joined in with this war to a degree, and all FA ships will be shot on sight. Our motives? The many FA corps that have badgered and interrupted our activities in Aridia.

You will all feel our pain, and you will bow down and serve the pirate union.

---

Who are you?

---

Quote:

---

We never lost Z30S-A.

You just decided to wake up at 05:00 EVEtime when absolutely no-one in FA is awake and go through then.

You didn't win Z30S-A, you snuck in.

A valid tactic but it was never a military victory.

---

Quote:

---

So FA charged 1 million/day - Now what do you charge?

---

Quote:

---

O btw, if i jst kill new games, how is it im able to replace my ships every time i lose em... hmmmm. How is it i make my money hmmm, i dont mine or npc hunt. hmmmm

---

Quote:

---

*sigh* - in before the lock and I was having such fun doing a bit of roleplaying as well.

Regardless of all the arguments, Fountain have publicly appealed for help, while the current game dynamics means no-side can claim complete victory one way or another, we are claiming very much the upper hand due to the following.

---

Quote:

---

Percentage of ships lost/ability to replace them/ability to retain pilots/amounts of withdrawns/insider information/leadership/reinforcments/supplys/PVP experience/etc/etc/etc

---

Quote:

---

If we had started the war with all the planned upgrades/equipment etc that are planned, then I expect we would have beaten Fountain regardless, it might have taken longer and been less graceful. Our claims of victory etc stem from experience from our RL military members, our experience of previous fights and the sight of Fountain hiding from the majority (note I don't say all) of battles where they had the upper hand in equipment yet chose not to engage.

---

Quote:

---

Of course this could all be averted, peace could reign and m0o, FE and c0w could just wander off to pick another fight elsewhere.

My pocket is still open to the tune of 3 Billion isk (to be divided between the winning side - i.e us). A post on the boards promising that Fountain members will not wage war on any of the three alliances and a grovelling post on the boards promising me the hand of the richest FA members daughter.

Contact me ingame.

---

Quote:

---

If FA is as rich as u all claim to be - then the isk will be no trouble - as for the loss of face on the boards - well, you don't seem to be having any probs with that anyway.

---

Quote:

---

Funny thing is M0o is constantly re-gearing from what i see ;)

These ones have been sighted frequently in Khanid so they must have been podded a lot ;)

- Lord Zap <-- station ***** ;)
- BobGengiskahn <-- afraid to go to fountain
- Pooti <-- dito
- Stavros

---

Quote:

---

Oh and Cardassius the last time we met your exequror was forced to run from my merlin. nubje

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Funny thing is M0o is constantly re-gearing from what i see ;)

These ones have been sighted frequently in Khanid so they must have been podded a lot ;)

- Lord Zap <-- station ***** ;)
- BobGengiskahn <-- afraid to go to fountain
- Pooti <-- dito
- Stavros

---

No, there is no clone facility in Gehi so how do you work that out? I've simply gone to pick up a a few toys to demonstrate to the FA...

FA bend over I have something to show you..

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Kirian Skellig on 22/01/2004 08:35:40
It would appear that the FA has become a serious thorn in the side of the m0o pirates. They were hired to lay seige to Fountain by Curse alliance. When they could not easily defeat us, and worse, started taking losses, they decided to invite their other pod killing associates to Fountain to assist them. While other warring factions are enjoying a relative respite from the pirates while they attack us relentlessly, we are constantly under seige by the united pirate corperations. We are fighting the good fight for all law abiding citizens in EVE. If they are not stopped here, they will show up on your doorstep next. They do not ask questions, they shoot first and "pod ya later" To use one of there terms.
Fountain is available to mining and hunting corperations for a fee. you pay taxes for police and other protections in your home town, we think it's reasonable to ask for a fee for protection. Passes for hunting and mining are suspended at the moment because a state of war exists in Fountain. We can not be responsible for your security. If you wish to fight for the Fountain alliance, your efforts will not be forgotten. You may optain a pass (free of course) for your corperation so that you are not fired upon.
So join with Fountain Alliance Fighting for a Free EVE.

---

Quote:

---

You know with the end of fountain near its stupid for Venal to ask to get jumped by this titanic force....

CFS if i were you id really stfu and hide under your beds hoping the boggie man passes by.

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Fuse on 22/01/2004 07:54:59
They use every dirty cheap trick to kill you. They lie and cheat in the game and in the forums. I know most of us work for what we have but they just take.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Your military strength is dwindling, your now no more than hunted rats in a sinking ship and where are your reinforcemtns? Meanwhile, our strength is growing, reinforcements pour in by the hour, more alliances have signed to our flag.

---

oooO its all very lord off the ringish, Could the ""nice"" FE bring us some videos??

Ohh and btw FE come back to us please, so boring up here without you
------------------------------------------------->
What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.

Quote:

---

These are my views and not part of FAs.
First up it was 1 individual and not FA that called for help!

---

Quote:

---

You know with the end of fountain near its stupid for Venal to ask to get jumped by this titanic force....

---

Quote:

---

CFS if i were you id really stfu and hide under your beds hoping the boggie man passes by.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

These are my views and not part of FAs.
First up it was 1 individual and not FA that called for help!

---

Yes these are the views of 1 individual. However this post is a direct reflection on the situation in Fountain. Can you think of any other reason Fuse would be calling for help+

---

Quote:

---

Yes these are the views of 1 individual. Can you think of any other reason Fuse would be calling for help+

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 22/01/2004 21:36:21
oh my good lord you guys are actually going to believe a bunch of lying griefing podkillers who have SHOWN how they abused exploits in the past and continue to do so in the present?

The people of Fountain are not pirates. We are a group of miners who ask for the fee in order to hunt in PROTECTED SPACE. That fee also deters the real troublemakers from even coming up here. The fee also helps to pay for the defense of fountain in lost ships. Our patrols are also paying in their own blood to protect YOU.

Want to be a part of Fountain? ASK. We are friendly, and honest people that care about protecting each other.

The pirates just care about themselves.

I find the pirate spin machine pretty hilarious saying that fountain is dead. Far from it! Every day we push them and fight back, and if you haven't noticed stavr0s and crew, you are inflicting less and less casualties considering we are now adopting your own tactics against you. I can tell you now that its not due to supply shortages...

Funny how you totally ***** and complain in local when we pull the same stuff on you.

Whats also funny is m00 bit off more than they could chew and called in FE and other friends to bail them out, and they still have zero control of fountain.

---

Quote:

---

So why the desperate plea for help from the rest of eve?

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 22/01/2004 12:17:10

Quote:

---

Sorry to break it to you, but this thread was started by FA member begging for help since his alliance is falling, and it started to fall by the hands of m0o.

So in my opinion m0o has every right to beat thier chests, make big statements and act as they want, no one has been able to stop them.

And that gives them the right to act all big and mighty, after all they brought an alliance to its knees in such a short time, resulting in its members making such a post begging for help.

---

Actually you should have stopped typing when you wrote member and realized that this is all it is. The Fountain alliance is a very large organization of corporations so taking the post of a single member who is not alliance representative will ofcourse reflect that the entire alliance is on its knees and begging.

To clarify; the opinions voiced in this thread by its poster do not represent the gathered views of the Fountain Alliance or its Council. It is simply the post of one of its members.

So sorry Mr. Random Alt but your obvious trolling is too obvious, since anyone with a halfway decent understanding of game mechanics wouldnt go around the boards making an idiot of himself, as your alt is.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

So why the desperate plea for help from the rest of eve?

---

Funny...

Dont put words into my mouth in a weak attempt to discredit me. You guys are really weak at the disinformation game.

---

Quote:

---

But dot you think it su(ks to have 1 corp come in and kill your alliance in huge numbers and then they think "damn they su(k, lets call in friends and keep this region for our selfs"

So its your own fault, you had many months to build up an army since no one attacked you, yet you crumble in the first week and had only given small resistance after that first week, you keep loosing ships and you cant mine.

And now you cry for help on the forums, help from the peaple that you denied access to the region unless they would pay you ISK, ISk that was supposed to go the FA army, the army is dead so why did you need to charge 1 mill per day?

FA truly is pathetic and deserves to be crushed for thier arrogance.

---

Quote:

---

I have to say that my love for pirates is small to non-existant. I have been unceremoniosly ganked by the fk'ers before, with no apparent reason or warning, and have lost MANY gaming hours in the form of lost cargo and modules.

However, I don't see why I, or any of my Corp members, should risk being podded for another mans cause. Another mans cause that has accrued them MANY MANY MANY millions of ISK to the exclusion of anyone else by themselves.

Sorry Fountain, I would prefer if you incurred big losses on the pirate hordes, but you made your own exclusive little bed, the time has come to lie in it.

---

Quote:

---

1.You extort people, charging a fee to enter the region. Failure to pay means destruction.

---

Quote:

---

2.You covet profit above all else to the point greed surpasses teamwork and brotherhood.

---

Quote:

---

3.Your PvPers have a love and passion for killing, otherwise they wouldnt be PvPers. The only differance between them and us is we have no need to comfort ourselves with legitimazation.

---

Quote:

---

4.You inflict law and restriction upon your members. Imposing law in lawless space is tyranny.

---

Quote:

---

5.You fail your members by poluting your alliance structure with beuracracy and indecisiveness.

---

Quote:

---

6.You dare launch unprovoked attacks on other alliances and mingle in affairs tha are not yours.

---

Quote:

---

I dont know but you sound a hell of alot more violent,overbearing, tyranical than us.

---

Quote:

---

And We dont cut anyone who wants an equal share of a regions resources loose.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

For some one who has such negative proclivities about the FE and Moo, fountan has become like all others quickly became pirates and far more tyranical than the FE.

1.You extort people, charging a fee to enter the region. Failure to pay means destruction.

2.You covet profit above all else to the point greed surpasses teamwork and brotherhood.

3.Your PvPers have a love and passion for killing, otherwise they wouldnt be PvPers. The only differance between them and us is we have no need to comfort ourselves with legitimazation.

4.You inflict law and restriction upon your members. Imposing law in lawless space is tyranny.

5.You fail your members by poluting your alliance structure with beuracracy and indecisiveness.

6.You dare launch unprovoked attacks on other alliances and mingle in affairs tha are not yours. Seem to forget that one? allow me to remind you. Prior a major assult on venal, fountains and allies launched an unprovoked attack against the forsken empires space(namely the system of Jan). Then later after the standoff witht e NVA was underway, FA ships NOT to include Evol in the rolecall at the time made thier way through lonetrek and pureblind to intervene in affairs that clearly didnt involve you.

Needless to say they were driven out. taking several losses and not sop much as scratching one imperial ship.

I dont know but you sound a hell of alot more violent,overbearing, tyranical than us.

The differance between fountain and other alliances whom restrict thier space, toll people entering, ration out large patches of bistot to major corps leaving the little ones grabbing for the scraps on thier table, and us is most simple. We knowingly and willingly admit who and what we are. And We dont cut anyone who wants an equal share of a regions resources loose.

Seeing this post, and seeing your pleas...makes me very very glad im a pirate in the Forsaken Empire.

Now I may not speak for my empire but im damned proud and honored to be apart of it. And seeing how your alliance and others operate, I cant think of any better place for people to grow and prosper.

---

---

Quote:

---

These ones have been sighted frequently in Khanid so they must have been podded a lot ;)

- Lord Zap <-- station ***** ;)
- BobGengiskahn <-- afraid to go to fountain
- Pooti <-- dito
- Stavros

---

Quote:

---

mr markyP... its fine if you dont wanna help, its expected that many will turn their heads. Thinking.. fine i'll mine what i can and go back to bed. Perhaps, you'll run, you'll live.. one day, maybe not tomorrow, not a week or even a month from now

---

Quote:

---

you'll be doing the same thing reading forums, getting ready to settle down and mine... BOOOM your entire region is invaded with in hour and days. You'll be podded b4 you can move stuff out. You will have your home invaded, as you try to stand with 20 to 40 guys in your region ready to fight a force of 100's comming

---

Quote:

---

you're kidding yourself if you think it will stop here unless something is done about it. They are in my home, I fight every, EVERY day.
My advice to you, get to making lots of ships and ammo, move to civ space when they come if you dont have the bawls to fight--OR--- PREPARE NOW!!! I dont care if you come here,k, i wish this on no one. ITs too much, I cannot hold them.

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Jash Illian on 23/01/2004 06:16:13
I've read this thread off and on, mostly for giggles when bored. But maybe it's time for an honest eval.

Issue #1: Tactics
Attempting to build a cohesive force out of a large group of people that have never worked together before is a nightmare. And it's one guaranteed to cause unnecessary losses simply through miscommunications. No general strategy has been presented. No roles defined. Just "Show up and bring a battleship".

Issue #2: Logistics
Fountain is a very long way, through hazardous areas, from any real supply point for anyone except the people that already reside there. The inevitable losses of ships and armaments means a very long trek to resupply and return to continue to fight.

Issue #3: Cost
Participating in the defense of Fountain is guaranteed to have costs. And not all of them in isk. The interruption of current activities will cost the income those activities generate while participating in the war. Fiscal losses due to equipment (including clones) cannot be accurately estimated. But it would be extremely unwise not budget for those losses. And then there is the cost of focusing the attention of attacking forces onto oneself. They're pirates. They're a threat by nature. But possibly earning their enmity by participating against them can cause future fiscal costs.

Issue #4: Profitability
'Do the Right Thing' only filled Spike Lee's wallet. Vague promises of future payback aren't even worth the paper they're printed on (look Ma! No paper!!!). Attempting to hire supplemental forces with promise of "You might need us someday!" is hardly a motivator.

Issue $5: Outlook
You've come here, hat in hand, painting a very bleak outlook. The situation reads as a desperate attempt to clog the wheels of the attacking forces' war machine with as many bodies as possible. With those coming forward being the bodies and their blood serving as the sand in the cogs.

In summary, the proposal given is an extremely poor business decision as presented, with possible future negative politcal ramifications. The issues presented outweigh any potential benefit as no benefit has been clearly defined, nor presented.

Or in shorter summary:

You must be joking

---

Quote:

---

Now it is time to get even. Anyone who is anti-pirate who is willing to fight m0o and all of their friends will get a pass in to FA space from me eve-mail Fuse for a pass. You must have a pass into FA to avoid friendly fire.

---

Quote:

---

If you provide results CFI will nominate your corp in to FA.

---

Quote:

---

My actions were not discussed by the FA and are not approved by them. I am doing everything in my power to take these guys on.

---

Quote:

---

Good job messing up the thread pooti, true griefer style.

---

Quote:

---

ALL I CAN SAY IS FE OR MOO BETTER MAKE MORE GOOD MOVIES

---

Quote:

---

What i dont understand is PPLe actually believe MOO Space Invaders Biomass / Why they have always attacked pple they didnt care who you were or what corp you were from, they just loved wrecking pples lives.

Moo Space invaders and Biomass have always extorted money from players and have lied numerous times they arent Dishonest pple and they have no dignity they are without Honor and pple still support them.

They dont Roleplay they just Grief and the flameing that goes on within Local is ridiculous.
They have gone from being serious Honorable Pirates to Children with no idea. What ever happened to the Real Players did they give there accounts away or sell them they werent this childish to begin with.

What i find amuseing too is the fact they brag how good there corporation is but slander there new allies when they arent around if only the pirates from diff Corps were all online at the same time it would be a different story.

I can see about 4 different Wars starting very soon in Fountain
Pirates will not stick together especially when they are from different corps and especially when they slander each other all the time behind each others back

---

Quote:

---

In summary, the proposal given is an extremely poor business decision as presented, with possible future negative politcal ramifications. The issues presented outweigh any potential benefit as no benefit has been clearly defined, nor presented.

Or in shorter summary:

You must be joking

---

Quote:

---

While you get to sit there and giggle while wiggling your worm hoping that people will believe what a pirate says, please eat some broken glass.

---

Quote:

---

extortion pfffft everyone knows it takes a military to run a region, and military's take money. the toll would ---wtf... why am i explaining again. Im beating a dead horse..

---

Quote:

---

I could probably site 10 urls where this has been explained b4, yet you pirates claim this is some f**kin crusade. When people believe it they come, pay, mine, get ganked on the way out. NOT A NICE try, they know what you do, its your eve career.

---

Quote:

---

Quit claiming liberation, you guys are power gamers bent on destroying the game. Why dont you go buy a new game? Hasn't this one bored you to death yet?

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Riddari on 23/01/2004 00:15:07

Quote:

---

1.You extort people, charging a fee to enter the region. Failure to pay means destruction.

---

Lie. Multiple failures might mean destruction. People usually got plenty of warnings and even escort.

Quote:

---

2.You covet profit above all else to the point greed surpasses teamwork and brotherhood.

---

Wow. You must be a mindreader. Or you are absolutely awful at this propoganda stuff.

Quote:

---

3.Your PvPers have a love and passion for killing, otherwise they wouldnt be PvPers. The only differance between them and us is we have no need to comfort ourselves with legitimazation.

---

So killing someone who breaks into my home and threatens me and my family/corporation/friends is because I love to kill? You are insanely bad at this.

Quote:

---

4.You inflict law and restriction upon your members. Imposing law in lawless space is tyranny.

---

Erm... it's called society. Putting laws in lawless space is an attempt to create a society.

Anyone who doesn't approve of the few laws that are within Fountain (such as you shall not shoot your friends.. I mean greedy bastards) is free to leave without any harm.

Quote:

---

5.You fail your members by poluting your alliance structure with beuracracy and indecisiveness.

---

But they are all greedy bastards anyways How many meetings have you attended personally?

Quote:

---

6.You dare launch unprovoked attacks on other alliances and mingle in affairs tha are not yours.

---

Is there any stronger term than pot kettle black? Doesn't seem to suffice here.

Quote:

---

I dont know but you sound a hell of alot more violent,overbearing, tyranical than us.

---

That's all in your head. Sorry.

Quote:

---

And We dont cut anyone who wants an equal share of a regions resources loose.

---

Is that supposed to be coherent?

Come on, you might frighten a few new players and the usual alliance-bashers (who are as bad as you at this stuff) but do you in all honesty think that anyone who reads a bit of EVE history REALLY thinks that a lawful society which uses the well known method of selling licenses for use of space is worse than a band of people who maraude around looking for the next random victim.

Of course you don't, you are just trying to wage a PR war with a Civilian Gatling of lies.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

In summary, the proposal given is an extremely poor business decision as presented, with possible future negative politcal ramifications. The issues presented outweigh any potential benefit as no benefit has been clearly defined, nor presented.

Or in shorter summary:

You must be joking

---

Jash:

You sound like your educated, but you obviously haven't studied history. In short you're ignorant. You have not looked at the future ramifications of not engaging in the good fight.

If you consider Earth history of the World War II era. The Axis Empire had a goal of conquering the world. They were literally planning on enslaving anyone they could and live off of their backs. The pacifists of the era, like you, did not believe entering the fight would be wise. Their reasoning was hey it's happening over there. They won't come to us. The trouble is that's exactly what the Axis Powers had in mind. The lesson of history is that the world and now the universe is one community and you have to defend your brothers or suffer their fate.

The Forsaken Empire is planing on conquering everyone they can. The Fountain Alliance has not gone to other Regions with the intent of conquering them and taking thier isk. We have been content to stay here and defend our property and our families. The Forsaken Empire will not be content until everyone is a slave to them.

If they manage to destroy our Alliance, they won't, but hypothetically, they'll be coming to you next. Like Hemingway says, "Ask not whom the bell tolls for, it tolls for thee."

---

Quote:

---

Yes this is all quoted from that loveable, racist, anti-semetic, hot head...mr SithEwok. Thank you Sith for showing us the true feelings and desperation of fountain.

---

Quote:

---

IT IS A GAME.

We play to have fun, you all should try the same.

---

Quote:

---

I dont know about all of eve but after seeing how you and sith act as well as Fuses desperate scream for help into the dark... Im putting my money on FE and MOO. By seeing your reactions on the forums and seeing screens of local chats, well its obvious your afraid if not terrified. If you werent...you wouldnt be smack talking as hard.

---

Quote:

---

Its time for you all to M0ove along and stop being so obsessive about it. Ok, I admit, I've not read a single word of this thread, but even without reading it, I'm reasonably sure there's at least 12,384 exact duplicates of this thread on pages 2,3,4,5 ... 2009 of the forums. Clearly this is a subject you enjoy immensely and cannot live without.

Perhaps you could rename the game in honor of this subject. How about renaming yourselves and your pets and children if you have any? I'm going to rename my pet ant immediately.

While I'm here: Do any of you recall the name of Opie's dog on the Andy Griffith show? If perchance you do, please keep it a secret.

Now, please M0oVe along,

Papol

---

Quote:

---

Since you are acting all big and smart again on the forums and all that you might want to answer me on that thread.

---

Quote:

---

Dont act superior when you cant even tell the truth.

---

Quote:

---

Because you attacked my persona resulting in you humiliating your self, and it must have hurt you so much that you did let those lies on the forums that you totally ignored it, but as you know, the past never leaves you alone.

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: Riddari on 23/01/2004 00:15:07

Come on, you might frighten a few new players and the usual alliance-bashers (who are as bad as you at this stuff) but do you in all honesty think that anyone who reads a bit of EVE history REALLY thinks that a lawful society which uses the well known method of selling licenses for use of space is worse than a band of people who maraude around looking for the next random victim.

Of course you don't, you are just trying to wage a PR war with a Civilian Gatling of lies.

---

Quote:

---

I think they want to kick you in your arrogant faces. You so post a lot of crap about knowing PvP this and that. Why don't you prove it?

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: SithEwok on 23/01/2004 00:22:36

Quit claiming liberation, you guys are power gamers bent on destroying the game.

---

Quote:

---

If you feel so bitter why did you deny a duel with me, after all you were brave enough to attack my alt in empire wich resulted in concord killing your apoc

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: SithEwok on 23/01/2004 00:22:36

Quit claiming liberation, you guys are power gamers bent on destroying the game.

---

Quote:

---

Hmm, not like we start the threads, tard.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Hmm, not like we start the threads, tard.

---

Thank you for the eloquent response. It enriched my forum-reading experience beyond description. You're a scholar and obviously a great humorist as well.

Papo (or 'Tard')

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Edited by: SithEwok on 23/01/2004 00:22:36

Quit claiming liberation, you guys are power gamers bent on destroying the game.

---

Peaple like Wooky will never understand that we love this game, we would not spend hours upon hours every day to let the game die.

We dont think it is fun to mine and do agent missions, we play the PVP aspect of the game so if you see us and dont want to play with us then leave the system or log off, its that simple, we operate in systems that have low security status and you get a warning b4 jumping in, not our fault if you ignore that warning.

Feel bitter?

Then seek revange in game.

---

Quote:

---

If you feel so bitter why did you deny a duel with me, after all you were brave enough to attack my alt in empire wich resulted in concord killing your apoc, but not willing to fight my main in a battleship, but you sure can fight on the forums, after all your name means Knight in english, so live up to it and cleanse the world of evil (me)

---

Quote:

---

blah blah blah
Fountain Alliance is still here and is here to stay.
Fuse is just one guy in a big alliance and has made a post, by his own admission, without autherisation by the Fountain Council. We are not begging for help, mercy or anything else.
As to who controls FA space depends, (at the moment), which side has more people online.
When FA has favourable numbers we activly hunt m0o & co, when they have the upper hand they do the same. We all use safe spots,(m0o & co inc), only common sense, right?
As for Tank smak speak, I dont recall seeing you in any of the major battles that have been taking place in FA Space

---

Quote:

---

For those of you just joining this thread, let me sum it up:

blah blah ******* blah.

---

Quote:

---

One day you'll make a post that isn't complaining about something and flowers will cover the earth.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

blah blah blah
Fountain Alliance is still here and is here to stay.
Fuse is just one guy in a big alliance and has made a post, by his own admission, without autherisation by the Fountain Council. We are not begging for help, mercy or anything else.
As to who controls FA space depends, (at the moment), which side has more people online.
When FA has favourable numbers we activly hunt m0o & co, when they have the upper hand they do the same. We all use safe spots,(m0o & co inc), only common sense, right?
As for Tank smak speak, I dont recall seeing you in any of the major battles that have been taking place in FA Space

---

Thats because I have 0 Patience. I dont have all day or the patience to sit here all day to wait for you guys to get some balls and fight us. I have not killed 1 bs since I have been here in Fountain and truthfully its ****in me off and im about to leave fountain. hell, im doing agent missions now and almost tempted to go freakin mine im so bored here and sick of waiting for a fight. Its just has to do with being on at the right time.

---

Quote:

---

I have had the game for only a week, so i would be the first to admit that i am not an expert.

However i do believe that the FA have bought this upon themselves by trying to close Fountain of and charging people the "right" to enter space that they consider to be theres. This in itself is wrong because everyone should have the right to freely travel and operate within eve. Also if your charging people to enter and also having sole control over a very valuable part of eve where is your money? You could build warships or you could hire mercenaries to repel the pirates

In the end actions like this are gonna encourage groups such as the FE because its a challenge!

---

Quote:

---

Welcome to Fountain

I am so sorry you are bored. Maybe next time we attack again your 12 BS camping a gate with ****load of drones in space...so lag kills us and you can come here telling how good fighter you are

man, you are a joke

---

Quote:

---

Maybe next time we attack again your 12 BS camping a gate with ****load of drones in space...so lag kills us and you can come here telling how good fighter you are

man, you are a joke

---

Quote:

---

However i do believe that the FA have bought this upon themselves by trying to close Fountain of and charging people the "right" to enter space that they consider to be theres. This in itself is wrong because everyone should have the right to freely travel and operate within eve.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Welcome to Fountain

I am so sorry you are bored. Maybe next time we attack again your 12 BS camping a gate with ****load of drones in space...so lag kills us and you can come here telling how good fighter you are

man, you are a joke

---

If you had fought us in Fountain then you wouldnt make such a remark, and I¦ll tell you why.

WE HAVE NEVER USED DRONES IN FOUNTAIN.

Try for once peaple, to get the facts straight b4 posting some idiotic remarks.

---

Quote:

---

FE is not already here, u gota a taste of alittle force from FE. Wait till all of FE get here.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

FE is not already here, u gota a taste of alittle force from FE. Wait till all of FE get here.

---

Thats true, not even half of the FE is in fountain...but will be soon

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

FE is not already here, u gota a taste of alittle force from FE. Wait till all of FE get here.

---

Thats true, not even half of the FE is in fountain...but will be soon

---

I've heard otherwise on your TS, dear.

---

Quote:

---

You m'dear are a cry baby. Now TAKE THAT COOKIE.

---

Quote:

---

it is really interresting to read through all your postings.
i¦m really surprised that some people really think that pirates will fill more than just a small part in this universe. they¦re just a small number of people compared to the overall headcount and have their limitations - more than any other players.
the best policy to handle them is to just leave them alone - hehe, if we¦re lucky they will kill each other anyway :-)
it¦s a simple fact that empire space is where the money lives - and not deep space. sure, you can mine valuable ore there, but that¦s it.
so, if ca wants to control curse... there you go. and moo and all the others want a region of their own... why not. in the end it¦s all about money and they will loose - and an end is not in sight.
another point : why do you guys think they attack FA now? because of the riches there? no - because it¦s the only thing they can do. their concept of playing this game and having fun,is killing . it¦s just as simple as that.
but the killin-part in eve is also as small as their numbers. in the end pirates will be what they allways were - just a needle penetrating your skin.

---

Quote:

---

LOL! A new description for extortion! "I sell licenses..." ROFL!

---

Quote:

---

Never thought I'd be agreeing with a biomass member, but it's true, they are just as "bad" as the pirates. It is extortion. Just another band of mafia thugs.

I handed over 100,000 isk just to look around for an hour (had never been there before).

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Never thought I'd be agreeing with a biomass member, but it's true, they are just as "bad" as the pirates. It is extortion. Just another band of mafia thugs.

I handed over 100,000 isk just to look around for an hour (had never been there before).

---

So you left without your kneecaps right? Right?

---