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XLR Eight Hun Recruit Team	Posted - 2007.07.07 03:25:00 - [1] Since this is what currently BoB up to, I'll just make examples of their own moves. -First build a strong alliace with lots of isk. I warn you however, you have to be a great manipulator to achieve that and all that what awaits you on this road. -Conquer a home region, the best in the game if possible. - Now that you are settled, attack your neighbour. Provide circus to your soldiers! Don't worry if the targets are blue, the positive standing will be necessery first to avoid failure. If their space provides strategically important points, go for it. - Sooner or later you'll realize that you can't hold that much of territory. It's time to make some business with other alliances who weak enough, so they won't threat your own security. Let them move in to your conquered systems, let them pay you iskies for their space, let them work to keep those pos-es and stations running, let them fuel your warmachine. Promise them protection so they will feel it's a good deal. - Now you probably have lots of enemies, you may expect attacks from multiple sides. Both from north and south for example. Since your enemies doesn't like your pets either, they will attack those first, to get closer to you. Now these pets are providing a good meatshield, so you have time to build up your supplies to your next campaign. Don't forget the fact, that each time your enemies will attack your pets, it will cost them lots of isk as well. They will need capitals, multiple pos-es, resupply their losses, etc, so your enemy's wallet will be weakened by your pets, by the territory they gain. - These servants will hold the enemy for weeks, maybe months, so now you may attack your other neigbours, to build a meatshield all around you. Once it's done, sell these new systems to another pet wannabees, squeeze some isk out from them. Now you safe from here for a while. - When it's done, take a breath, build more capitals, spend the money that your residents are paying. - In the meantime watch your pets die both north and south, do not protect them! I'll explain later why. When the enemy will be close enough to consider them as a threat, when the enemy spent their money to conquer these regions, they will be weak. Don't let them get strong!! Hire Mercenary Coalition to take back south, and you will want to take back north with your factory-fresh capital blob fleet. Don't worry about the isk, your pets will pay enough for it. - Once both north and south cleared again, offer the space to your pets again, new or old. Squeeze them as much isk as you can for your "protection", or for taking back the systems for them. I hope you see now why better not to protect your pets. (more isk, enemy weakened, time) - Stir and repeat until you feel ready to take out your strongest enemy. You will see, there are so many alliances who will fall for this trick. They will actually pay you to be a meatshield! Awesome! - Now that the blind half of the universe is paying you, in time you may be strong enough to take out the other half, one by one. - At the end all of the 0.0 space will pay you. You may expect some small gangs from the empire but they can't mach your income, your military strength. - What next? Since our goal was to conquer all the universe, we need to get rid of the strongest pets. You will make up some reason why, so your other pets will be calm, they might even help you to kick them out. As you get stronger, the bored pvp-ers will join you, at least those who doesn't have enough loyality to the coalition, or just sick to live in empire. - Now you can kick all the remaining pets to the empire, build a monopoly in industry so at the end, you will control the empire itself. The greatest point in this plan, that actually you kicked out 80% of the pilots from 0.0 because of their own blindness, because they paid you to lead them to their own death. And who remains, they will work for you like slaves. You are the Caesar no
Straith GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.07 03:27:00 - [2] Hands up any alliance that isn't on that page? Riiiight.
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.07 03:31:00 - [3] you missed 1. - Don't try to posspam russians, you will lose your titans and motherships trying.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.07 03:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Fry Fortune you missed 1. - Don't even bother with the Russians, just let them run complexes or you're going to lose your titans and motherships. fixt
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.07 03:51:00 - [5] Interesting. ---Sig--- *WARNING* Do not look at my portrait for more then two seconds or it will jump out at you and kill you DEAD! Done :) -Ivan K
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Strategos Interesting. Obligatory "Dude, your face" comment.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:13:00 - [7] You forgot the part were the guy on the forums told everyone the evil plan and everyone woke up. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:14:00 - [8] you forgot the part where the caod alt posts on the forums about it
Darc Kaahar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:20:00 - [9] What what!
AlphaMeridian Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Darc Kaahar What what! This .gif is awesome and must be encouraged at every opportunity.
XLR Eight Hun Recruit Team	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:25:00 - [11] Originally by: mazzilliu you forgot the part where the caod alt posts on the forums about it meh, i've logged in with my wrong account. For all those who cares my main is Vort X - EON Order - Te-Ka. actually this is my first topic in caod so kinda excited how it goes
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:33:00 - [12] The OP is both wise and learned.
Jonny 101 Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.07 05:01:00 - [13] Step 1 - Form gang Step 2 - ?? Step 3 - TOTAL WORLD SUPREMACY
With JudgeReinhold Gallente Legal Team	Posted - 2007.07.07 05:19:00 - [14] this is dumb you are dumb
Snake Jankins Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.07 05:22:00 - [15] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 07/07/2007 05:22:42 Well, not all so called pets pay. Sometimes it's better to have a stronger pet companion, who lives there for free, but keeps the area clean and friendly, instead of a pet that's willing to pay, but can keep the area clean. You can't police all your space alone and if it's on the other side of the map, it should be quite difficult to find some pets, who are able to keep the area clean on their own and willing to pay to someone, who's living maybe 40 jumps away. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really.
Arakk Caldari Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.07 06:53:00 - [16] google "roman empire history" they did the same stuff. the great thing about such an empire is if a roman pet wins its a roman victory, if a pet gets absolutely smoked its just the pet that gets historically smcaked. hence why you only hear about bob victories and pet losses...except for the only real titan kill in eve history of course.
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.07 07:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Strategos on 07/07/2007 07:11:26 Originally by: Arakk google "roman empire history" they did the same stuff. the great thing about such an empire is if a roman pet wins its a roman victory, if a pet gets absolutely smoked its just the pet that gets historically smcaked. hence why you only hear about bob victories and pet losses...except for the only real titan kill in eve history of course. Hmmm, yes. I wonder how that all turned out in the end? I wonder if history is bound to repeat itself once again. ---Sig--- *WARNING* Do not look at my portrait for more then two seconds or it will jump out at you and kill you DEAD! Done :) -Ivan K
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.07 08:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Strategos Edited by: Strategos on 07/07/2007 07:11:26 Originally by: Arakk google "roman empire history" they did the same stuff. the great thing about such an empire is if a roman pet wins its a roman victory, if a pet gets absolutely smoked its just the pet that gets historically smcaked. hence why you only hear about bob victories and pet losses...except for the only real titan kill in eve history of course. Hmmm, yes. I wonder how that all turned out in the end? I wonder if history is bound to repeat itself once again. You see, conquering the universe is a lot like... making chocolate factories. by: Minigin
Tramedeous	Posted - 2007.07.07 08:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Fry Fortune you missed 1. - Don't even bother with the Russians, just let them run complexes or you're going to lose your titans and motherships. fixt Ahaha, goonie licking ass of russians. It's Russia, but it's not "Russians" it's "russians". Learn English grammar.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.07 09:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Tramedeous Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Fry Fortune you missed 1. - Don't even bother with the Russians, just let them run complexes or you're going to lose your titans and motherships. fixt Ahaha, goonie licking ass of russians. It's Russia, but it's not "Russians" it's "russians". Learn English grammar. Nah, Russian is capitalized. It's all hurf blurf to me though so you'll have to excuse me I need to get back to making isk for our Russian masters, our rent's up to 10b a week now.
KardonHarman Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.07 09:16:00 - [21] A simpler version.. Undock kill more of the opponents assets/ships than they kill of yours until they run out of isk/willpower to carry on fighting. Make sure your having fun and enjoying the game. Do this and at the point the enemy stops having fun you will have achieved Victory, rinse and repeat endlessly.
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.07.07 09:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Tramedeous Ahaha, goonie licking ass of russians. It's Russia, but it's not "Russians" it's "russians". Learn English grammar. nationality word A noun referring to a member of a nation or ethnic group, or a related adjective. Grammatically these words are to some extent treated like names, being spelt with an initial capital, but at the same time, like common nouns, they are countable, and can have specific and generic reference. The commonest type has the singular noun identical to the adjective, and forms the plural (both specific and generic) with -s :Italian ( adj. ): ... I'm german, where are you from and why is your english worse than mine? You even fail as nitpicker. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Kakalot Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2007.07.07 09:37:00 - [23] This is not something new. The key is, like the OP stated "-First build a strong alliace with lots of isk. I warn you however, you have to be a great manipulator to achieve that and all that what awaits you on this road." You gotta have lots of isk in the first place and be able to recruit ppl to fight for you How many corps/alliances can do that? Not that many. Whoever does it best.. wins :) ________________________________________________________ http://users.pandora.be/zebras/Kakalot.jpg
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.07 09:40:00 - [24] First they came... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Lady Weaksauce Brotherhood of Polar Equation Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.07 10:12:00 - [25] Edited by: Lady Weaksauce on 07/07/2007 10:12:59 i doubt romans smacked as much as goons
MasterDecoy Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.07 10:32:00 - [26] that was well-disguised smack. congratulations. Originally by: Gan Dalf What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?
Jonny 101 Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.07 10:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Strategos Edited by: Strategos on 07/07/2007 07:11:26 Originally by: Arakk google "roman empire history" they did the same stuff. the great thing about such an empire is if a roman pet wins its a roman victory, if a pet gets absolutely smoked its just the pet that gets historically smcaked. hence why you only hear about bob victories and pet losses...except for the only real titan kill in eve history of course. Hmmm, yes. I wonder how that all turned out in the end? I wonder if history is bound to repeat itself once again. Yeah a mere thousand years of rule that brought civilization to the world, cultivating the barbarians that now are...well us. Unless you're greek odds are you were a face painted gaul before the romans showed you a public bath, that goes for just about every european and american in here.
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.07 10:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Strategos Edited by: Strategos on 07/07/2007 07:11:26 Originally by: Arakk google "roman empire history" they did the same stuff. the great thing about such an empire is if a roman pet wins its a roman victory, if a pet gets absolutely smoked its just the pet that gets historically smcaked. hence why you only hear about bob victories and pet losses...except for the only real titan kill in eve history of course. Hmmm, yes. I wonder how that all turned out in the end? I wonder if history is bound to repeat itself once again. Yeah a mere thousand years of rule that brought civilization to the world, cultivating the barbarians that now are...well us. Unless you're greek odds are you were a face painted gaul before the romans showed you a public bath, that goes for just about every european and american in here. MADNESS ---Sig--- *WARNING* Do not look at my portrait for more then two seconds or it will jump out at you and kill you DEAD! Done :) -Ivan K
LeBelInconnu Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.07 11:41:00 - [29] an alliance that looks down upon all others will always find itself surrounded by enemies.
Kyria Timeyu Pie Vendor	Posted - 2007.07.07 11:53:00 - [30] Actually the whole pet system works great as long as you have an overwhelming military force in reserve ready to strike at whoever messes with your pets. As soon as that force however gets bound up in some war, the whole system collapses. Now other wannabe space owners notice that Pet X doesn't have their big brother standing behind them anymore and easily takes their space from the corporation that has become weak and complacent because of a lack of training coming from their status of a protectorate. As long as pretty much all the military force of BoB is being bound in the Tenerifis quagmire, everyone can siege BoB pets without any fear of retaliation.
Jonny 101 Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.07 11:56:00 - [31] Originally by: LeBelInconnu an alliance that looks down upon all others will always find itself surrounded by enemies. But BoB doesn't look down on everyone else, they have allies and renters like all other alliances. I'm allied to BoB, they don't pay me, I don't pay them, I don't even live in their space, I have good friends both in BoB and Goons, I think people are over dramatizing things tbh. BoB are just people, much like the rest of you except..their standards are higher than the majority of forum drama queens, as are the standards of most good corporations.
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.07 12:21:00 - [32] Edited by: Vort X on 07/07/2007 12:26:21 Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: LeBelInconnu an alliance that looks down upon all others will always find itself surrounded by enemies. But BoB doesn't look down on everyone else, they have allies and renters like all other alliances. I'm allied to BoB, they don't pay me, I don't pay them, I don't even live in their space, I have good friends both in BoB and Goons, I think people are over dramatizing things tbh. BoB are just people, much like the rest of you except..their standards are higher than the majority of forum drama queens, as are the standards of most good corporations. Watch their history carefully. They had always allies, as long as it helped their own gain. If the friendship was not useful anymore, they erased them with reasons like "because they provided us the strongest challenge". I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm saying this is the way it works. This is a game you are right about that, but it involves politics. And it is ugly, it doesn't know friendship if you want to rule the world. Their god is isk, everything else is illusion. RL is a different story, I also have friends in BoB and we talk and laugh together RL and shoot the hell out of each other in game. It still doesn't change how the politics works in RL or in game.
LeBelInconnu Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.07 12:25:00 - [33] I'll be happy to hear another opinion on the subject if you ever wish to talk in game or whatever. But I've looked at Reikoku forum and your eve-online.com info and watched posts and so far haven't found much to interest a committed and intelligent "noob" in search of a challenge. And I naturally grow concerned in any game when a single entity grows close to control of half the world space. At such times it usually takes something close to unified zealotry from the other half to stand a chance of rebalancing things again. When that alliance is strengthened by the game's use of skills gained over time this becomes an even greater concern.
Jehovah Cooper Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.07 13:42:00 - [34] Nice facade but its really just the same "zomg bob will take over all 0.0 & their pets r lame!!111" thread we've seen countless times. Yes BoB is good at what they do. But do you really think they want a 0.0 without any reds in it? What would be the point? Do not worry, there will always be pew pew in 0.0.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.07 13:44:00 - [35] Originally by: XLR Eight blah blah blah... Hire Mercenary Coalition blah blah blah... - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.07 13:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: XLR Eight blah blah blah... Hire Mercenary Coalition blah blah blah... Don't you have FIX to defend, or is BoB begging for your help against RA/Goons ---Sig--- *WARNING* Do not look at my portrait for more then two seconds or it will jump out at you and kill you DEAD! Done :) -Ivan K
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.07 13:58:00 - [37] Hello I'm XLR Eight I post common sense stuff on CAOD and I also discovered hot water. Stay tuned for my next intriguing research: are there black people in Africa?
XLR Eight Hun Recruit Team	Posted - 2007.07.07 14:28:00 - [38] I've got several messages from the HUN Corp about this topic. As they are fighting in BoB's side, they felt that my post in this forums with my HUN Recruit Team alt would damage their reputation. I have not intended to do so, but apparently i did it, no excuses from my part. I apologize for the community for the damage it might cause. The HUN corp is not involved or related in any way with the author of this topic.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.07.07 14:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Strategos Edited by: Strategos on 07/07/2007 07:11:26 Originally by: Arakk google "roman empire history" they did the same stuff. the great thing about such an empire is if a roman pet wins its a roman victory, if a pet gets absolutely smoked its just the pet that gets historically smcaked. hence why you only hear about bob victories and pet losses...except for the only real titan kill in eve history of course. Hmmm, yes. I wonder how that all turned out in the end? I wonder if history is bound to repeat itself once again. Yeah a mere thousand years of rule that brought civilization to the world, cultivating the barbarians that now are...well us. Unless you're greek odds are you were a face painted gaul before the romans showed you a public bath, that goes for just about every european and american in here. I hope you do not believe what you are writing there. The Celts had a high standing culture, the eastern people had high standing cultures. Egypts were far beyond the romans in many terms, people in india and asia were much more advanced in almost any areas. The romans were corrupt, barbaric (unless you were one of the upper class - think only about the evil slavery) and good only in assimilating knowledge from other people. Most of their success were founded on the knowledge of the greek and egypts. To the op: the plan with the pets is not working. Sooner or later they will forget how to fight and then they are no protection to your empire any more.
Xeron Silverblade Esthar Industries	Posted - 2007.07.07 15:44:00 - [40] interesting statement... Originally by: Seleene Originally by: XLR Eight blah blah blah... Hire Mercenary Coalition blah blah blah... best reply
ElweSingollo Starlancers Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.07 15:58:00 - [41] have access to MSN..... CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
Alpine 69 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.07 17:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Strategos Interesting. Dude, your face.... Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3 From her? You're on. -Rauth
Zephirz Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2007.07.07 18:05:00 - [43] hmmm, you make it sound soo easy. Think ima go conquer the universe once i finished my tea. zephirz
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.07 19:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Lady Weaksauce i doubt romans smacked as much as goons Yes, and that's why their empire fell.
Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.07 19:09:00 - [45] How to Conquer the universe you say?? Simple ansvar: recruit me Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.07 19:17:00 - [46] You seen, Goons are a lot like visigoths.... -- Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Pantalones Piscado Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.07 22:13:00 - [47] the clear way to conquer all is to pres butan Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.07 22:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: XLR Eight blah blah blah... Hire Mercenary Coalition blah blah blah... Hehehe, so this guys an MC alt, then? --------
Celestinus Gallente Ascent To Glory	Posted - 2007.07.08 01:22:00 - [49] OP, you have described how every strong entities (RL too mate) work their way out, it's not wrong but you can critice it. Still, I would do the same. - cel / a2g
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.08 03:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Celestinus OP, you have described how every strong entities (RL too mate) work their way out, it's not wrong but you can critice it. Still, I would do the same. Indeed. I never told it's wrong, BoB doing a pretty good job manipulating those so called pets, respect for that. No, I'm not talking about their allies either, that is a different story, their destiny comes later. I'm talking about Terror in The System for example (one of many), just to mention the latest ones who were "protected" by the big brother after MC cleared up the systems for them and moved in, soon afterwards. I'm curious how much ISK did they paid for that territory. How much ISK did they spend on that terrytory. How much ISK did they loose on that terrytory. How much players did they loose because of this move. I'm curious why so many of you still don't believe in your own eyes, but good sounding promises instead. The trueth hurts I guess, so take the easy road by believe what you want to believe. You need to spend hours of logistics, huge amounts of ISK to keep those pos-es running, to keep those stations working. All for what? It's not enough to pay the rent to the landlord but sacrifice your fun, your EvE time, your efforts, then wait until someone comes and vaporize all that achieved with hard work and finally realize you have no home anymore. I just don't get it, why is it fun or why is it good business to be a pet. If this is the only way you can drop a foothold in 0.0 space do you think you will be strong enough to protect it? How? You get stronger, richer in 0.0, one might say. But it is not you who gets stronger but your lord. You are getting weaker and weaker every day. You are loosing your enthusiasm and tend to think the old, better days. You are giving out your own blood, your own will. You are sacrificing yourself, your corp, your alliance. It's just not fun to play EvE anymore. Sounds familiar? Wake up!
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.08 08:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Vort X Edited by: Vort X on 08/07/2007 03:54:05 Originally by: Celestinus OP, you have described how every strong entities (RL too mate) work their way out, it's not wrong but you can critice it. Still, I would do the same. Indeed. I never told it's wrong, BoB doing a pretty good job manipulating those so called pets, respect for that. No, I'm not talking about their allies either, that is a different story, their destiny comes later. I'm talking about Terror in The System for example (one of many), just to mention the latest ones who were "protected" by the big brother after MC cleared up the systems for them and moved in, soon afterwards. I'm curious how much ISK did they paid for that territory. How much ISK did they spend on that terrytory. How much ISK did they loose on that terrytory. How much players did they loose because of this move. I'm curious why so many of you still don't believe in your own eyes, but good sounding promises instead. The trueth hurts I guess, so take the easy road by believe what you want to believe. You need to spend hours of logistics, huge amounts of ISK to keep those pos-es running, to keep those stations working. All for what? It's not enough to pay the rent to the landlord but sacrifice your fun, your EvE time, your efforts, then wait until someone comes and vaporize all that achieved with hard work and finally realize you have no home anymore. I just don't get it, why is it fun or why is it good business to be a pet. If this is the only way you can drop a foothold in 0.0 space do you think you will be strong enough to protect it? How? You get stronger, richer in 0.0, one might say. But it is not you who gets stronger but your lord. You are getting weaker and weaker every day. You are loosing your enthusiasm and tend to think the old, better days. You are giving out your own blood, your own will. You are sacrificing yourself, your corp, your alliance. It's just not fun to play EvE anymore. Is this what you living for? Is this worth to dying for? I dunno about other BOB allies but FATAL pays nothing to anybody in fact we got paid 2 outposts and a constilation to help take branch. And yes it did help a lot to be part of the BOB offensive in gaining the outposts. Unfortunatly we tried to leave behind the war and go our own way in the drone area not so long ago. We built a outpost and were attacked by the ra/goon pets who moved in with us because we would not set ra/goon and the entire drone area to blue. At the time we were realy just a mid sized PVP corp with an alliance ticker 80 or so man strong. We are now a 1300 member pvp alliance that understands that unless you wanna live in a npc station there is no avoiding the war. So any alliance with any sense allies with the bunch that are gonna win it. So as ive said before we get paid we do not pay so by your measure does that make BOB our pets????.
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.08 11:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Vort X No, I'm not talking about their allies either, that is a different story, their destiny comes later. I'm talking about Terror in The System for example Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean I dunno about other BOB allies but FATAL pays nothing to anybody Just read the quotes above. If you are considering yourself as a pet while you are an ally, it must be really confusing.
Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.07.08 13:21:00 - [53] to rule the universe you must first master the forums young grasshopper! MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.07.08 20:45:00 - [54] its a known fact that bob do whatever they like... i agree with the op... hell look at xelas. sure they werent that good at pvp in the end, but also have in mind they spoiled there blood for bob for well ower 1 year, being meetshield for bob cost lots of isk. and people in xelas started to get war tired. i wodner when the next alliance will fall like xelas did... bob are the dark force in the univers. but then again there isent much better alternative. its not like goons are something wich can secure peace in space. what eve need is 1 alliance gathering all the rest of the lliances, and join forces. it takes 1 to leeed em all... just a shame noone wants to take that initiativ as the leaders in the difrent alliances wont give up any power.. but they will also end up as bob pets or some who lives out of veldspare roids in empire. hell look at where all former xelas alliances are now.. most are in new friendly bob alliances.. WTF.... why would they even want to trust bob EVER again... because there is no god damn alternativ... show the population of eve a true alternativ and im sure ALOT would join up in the greater fight.. thx.
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.08 20:57:00 - [55] Edited by: Krimzin Kane on 08/07/2007 20:57:27 Originally by: Anglo its a known fact that bob do whatever they like... i agree with the op... hell look at xelas. sure they werent that good at pvp in the end, but also have in mind they spoiled there blood for bob for well ower 1 year, being meetshield for bob cost lots of isk. and people in xelas started to get war tired. i wodner when the next alliance will fall like xelas did... bob are the dark force in the univers. but then again there isent much better alternative. its not like goons are something wich can secure peace in space. what eve need is 1 alliance gathering all the rest of the lliances, and join forces. it takes 1 to leeed em all... just a shame noone wants to take that initiativ as the leaders in the difrent alliances wont give up any power.. but they will also end up as bob pets or some who lives out of veldspare roids in empire. hell look at where all former xelas alliances are now.. most are in new friendly bob alliances.. WTF.... why would they even want to trust bob EVER again... because there is no god damn alternativ... show the population of eve a true alternativ and im sure ALOT would join up in the greater fight.. thx. So I take it you don't like bob. But you won't join the ragoon fight because they can't secure peace in space. So you want peace, but you also want a third "super power" to exist so that you can join in this greater fight. I don't get it. Also, peace in internet space is like... well it's not like a chocolate factory, that's for sure. by: Minigin
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.08 20:57:00 - [56] I'm pretty hungry right now, I'm thinking of grabbing a double-double from in&out.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.08 21:14:00 - [57] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Unfortunatly we tried to leave behind the war and go our own way in the drone area not so long ago. We built a outpost and were attacked by the ra/goon pets who moved in with us because we would not set ra/goon and the entire drone area to blue. You know that's not true. You did move to the drone regions - yes. You built an outpost and were attacked - yes. RA/Goon pets? I think not. Set RA/Goon blue? Set other people blue? No. You were seen as a threat, and disposed of. Was it the right thing to do? Have a look at the map. I may not be playing these days but I can see the new regions map is still clear of BoB friendlies. Had the strings not been pulled to remove you then Invictus may not be there now, you would have expanded and absorbed many ex-LV corps, and you would probably now be controlling a region or two there, and be significantly larger than you are. This is what I said at the time, and funnily enough it's still the case. Of course you're still spouting the same smack as you were back then. At the end of the day you were a threat placed where you were, you were removed - it took a LOT of work as you and 0utbreak (and even MC) put up a very tough resistance - so it wasn't as if you left with your tails between your legs. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Sun Ra Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.09 01:53:00 - [58] Originally by: XLR Eight - Now you probably have lots of enemies, you may expect attacks from multiple sides. Both from north and south for example. Since your enemies doesn't like your pets either, they will attack those first, to get closer to you. Now these pets are providing a good meatshield, so you have time to build up your supplies to your next campaign. Don't forget the fact, that each time your enemies will attack your pets, it will cost them lots of isk as well. They will need capitals, multiple pos-es, resupply their losses, etc, so your enemy's wallet will be weakened by your pets, by the territory they gain. Let me help you with this part, the 'pets' get attacked because the attackers are weak and go for easy targets then they can go tell your troops how you great your war campaign is bet when you finally have to face the evil empire your suddenly you lose badly then run home/disband, HI D2, RAZOR, IRON, SNIGG ETC ATUF RIP - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.09 03:06:00 - [59] Edited by: Vort X on 09/07/2007 03:12:09 Originally by: Sun Ra Let me help you with this part, the 'pets' get attacked because the attackers are weak and go for easy targets then they can go tell your troops how you great your war campaign is bet when you finally have to face the evil empire your suddenly you lose badly then run home/disband, HI D2, RAZOR, IRON, SNIGG ETC It doesn't really matter then is it. You will die anyway if you are an "easy target". The question you might consider, by whom you want to die? By a "weak" alliance, or by the strongest entity in the universe. Which death would you take proudly? Wich death would make you feel shame?
Dylan Rhade Caldari UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 03:45:00 - [60] Edited by: Dylan Rhade on 09/07/2007 03:50:13 Edited by: Dylan Rhade on 09/07/2007 03:48:38 Grats to OP for one of the best over generalisations ever made, whilst what he says is 100% true ( slight edits here and there so its 100% objectional ) its all of the decisions that are hard and large unnoticed that come with consequence that he DIDNT include in his list. These decisions turned BoB into the top 1 of 2 alliances ( still alive ) in EvE, in the area's of business and long term strategy. The decisions most of the smackrats dont understand has made BoB what it is today, a 0.0 empire, with renters, allies and sh1t loads of ships - something other alliances have tried to do in the past and still not matched BoB, and whine when they cant stop them. Red Alliance (RA), have either copied BoB in their own way, or not progressed as fast as BoB due to the hinderences of the ex-southern alliance ( LV, V, etc ) Goons whine and moan and take the **** out of BoB pets but they dont realise that they themselves are the ultimate pet, unquestioning, gormless and enough common sense to fit into a thimble, when goons loose a staiton, its not an RA loss, its a goon loss, but when there is a need for firepower, strategy and cap ships, RA come to their rescue, and due to above mentioned attributes, when they achieve a victory,its never an RA victory with goon hep, its the other way around, RA dont take credit for these victories, its always goons, i wonder why that is. And, yes, goons are a pet, u own the territory u do thanks to RA and their meatshield, different from a BoB pet? only in that u dont pay rent for the moment. RA and BoB are both very good at what they do, and have earned respect from many people, me included, RA was a vicious opponent when LV was around, and BoB is now the shark in the 0.0 waters. There is no point in critisising people for the way they have survived in 0.0, because that is, ultimately, what 0.0 is all about, survival. D
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.09 04:57:00 - [61] Edited by: Vort X on 09/07/2007 05:31:38 Thanks all for the constructive criticism and compliments . What separates the 2 strongest alliance from each other, is that RED will never hold the whole 0.0 space, they are simply not interested in that as far as I know. Even if they had such plans, their numbers will keep them away from success (most of them are russian speaking players). While BoB's leader is clearly announced in a New York Times interview his and his alliance's plan. Quote: In an interview over an Internet voice chat program, the player known as SirMolle, chief executive of Evolution, one of the player corporations in Band of Brothers, said that his allianceÆs goal was to take over every solar system in the game. ôOur goal in Eve is to control all of 0.0 space, and when thatÆs done weÆre going to take over the empire one by one and control the empire as well,ö he said. source: New york Times: In a Virtual Universe, the Politics Turn Real - by Seth Schiensel Now he might say that it was a joke, a propaganda. While it would make sense, I for one tend to believe in his words. Why? Because it's possible. Just think about it for a minute, Why would he stop if he will be victorious over RED, Goonsawarm and the others? While I am a player against his alliance, I simply can't oversee his succes story and if he will achieve his goals, I will be quite amused. Not only because of his leadership skills, but because of all the Independent entities actually helping it. I don't get it, how all the allies and pets are just closing their eyes. I never though how many of us, people can be so easily manipulated, even hypnotized. I have to tell you, if he will achieve what he stated in his public announcement, I will be quite shocked and amused by us, humanoids. I say go for it Sir, I wish you and your alliance good luck. You people, who working so hard to give up your own independence, well.. I'll give you a
Adamus TorK HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.07.09 06:03:00 - [62] omg someone shoot me ---------------------------------
Justice forHungary Amarr The All-Seeing Eye The Sphere Confederation	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:34:00 - [63] Originally by: Adamus TorK omg someone shoot me Maybe i ? Member of community I'm feeling sorry, to fight with the BoB Ups . I break . Im a BoB pet now :( !
Canti Ludan S-Mart LLC	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:40:00 - [64] Hmmà Northern Cleansing ringing any bells hereà
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 17:56:00 - [65] Originally by: Vort X Edited by: Vort X on 09/07/2007 05:31:38 Thanks all for the constructive criticism and compliments . Quote: [You people, who working so hard to give up your own independence, well.. I'll give you a I cut the rest you said cos i kinda aggree but..... Its a matter of choice for most cos we went solo and here is the result 1) Be independant and get shot at by both sides and their allies losing outposts to absurd blobs of 2-400 conventional and tonns of capital ships. 2) Pick a side then at least you cannot be out blobbed. And after the smoke clears there will be plenty of pew pew to go around and very few uber blobs. Honestly i do not care who wins or if anybody does but im sick of losing assets to numbers that are just unbeatable to a unaligned alliance.
Suez Newton GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.09 19:24:00 - [66] Edited by: Suez Newton on 09/07/2007 19:23:55 Originally by: Flow Befort I'm pretty hungry right now, I'm thinking of grabbing a double-double from in&out. Oh oh where do you live California, Arizona, or Nevada? I live in Arizona and eating so much In n out has gotten me tired of it.
NIkis Minmatar W33D Corp. O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:14:00 - [67] Originally by: XLR Eight -First build a strong alliace with lots of isk. I warn you however, you have to be a great manipulator to achieve that and all that what awaits you on this road. This part got me thinking.. are you suggesting maybe gaining lots of isk by means of BPOs and manipulation ? And what could be down the road then ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unless explicitly stated, the posts contain my own opinion on situations and events in the Eve world.

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