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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Bellum Esca
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:07:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote: ... the server side of the game... the more complex it is the harder it's going to be for the average skid to run. You'll get it eventually, don't worry.
If you work in the IT sector please tell me which company... so I can cease all contact with them. You obviously have no grasp of public key encryption. |

Ocih
Space Mermaids
37
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:09:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Ocih wrote:EVE was made for Win 98 What does PS3 have to do with it? Consoles are way different, and so is the mentality of console gamers. Also, windows 98? It's not that old is it?
Do you really think Sony will make a PS4 that turns all it's multi-player online games obeselete?
Asuka Solo wrote:
Once upon there was a game called Tabula Rasa.
It failed within months having been the most over hyped, under delivered MMO ever.
Eve has been around for the better half of a decade and will be around for much longer.
the end.
And here's hoping CCP releases another WiS expansion soon, so goons and testies can rage quit and make new eden a better place for all.
As far as Dust goes. If CCP put the continued long term development wheels on Dust as they have with Eve since its inception, Dust will only get better with age. CoD can suck it.
I actually own Tabula Rasa.  Yea, that puppy needed to be taken out back of the barn with old yellar.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:14:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:it was pretty self explanatory. Yes. You said that releasing games on steam was a sign of them being poor ports, which makes no sense since pretty much any game released these days comes to steam and since it contains plenty of PC exclusives. So it was pretty self-explanatory that your GÇ£jokeGÇ¥ was a complete non-sequitur.
Quote:considering Dust is going to be a console port it won't be very big at all. GǪexcept that it's not going to be ported from the consoles and that the server will be quite big indeed.
Quote:CCP is using Eve subscriber money on a new game, when that game goes under, so does eve. Wrong way around: since if the other game is funded with EVE money, if that game goes under, the funding reverts to EVE. In reality, though, the bulk funding really comes from various investors. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
12
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:20:00 -
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DUST will have a very small audience compared to COD, BF, KZ, and Halo. I feel that 99% of the people that will be playing DUST are going to be EVE players, and that is only if it is a) a good FPS to begin with, and b) actually worth playing in support of EVE.
MMOFPS doesn't mean anything since there is already PEC in standalone FPS like CoD, BF and just about every other new FPS where you have to gain EXP to unlock new items and weapons. If the game is clunky and unbalanced it will just further push people away which after watching game play video at this point it seems like it is.
To say that DUST is not competing with games like CoD and BF is just ignorance. But keep telling yourself that DUST is going to be some special little snowflake that doesn't need those millions of players to like it then see me again with the servers of DUST are sitting empty because CoD released it's newest iteration. |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
68
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:20:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Ocih wrote:EVE was made for Win 98 What does PS3 have to do with it? Consoles are way different, and so is the mentality of console gamers. Also, windows 98? It's not that old is it? Do you really think Sony will make a PS4 that turns all it's multi-player online games obeselete?
I don't know, do you know anyone that still plays the sims 2 online? Not a sony game, but you get the idea. That's what consoles do, that's kind of the principle behind it. Gamers buy new consoles for.. you guessed it! New games! Not to play the same crap they were playing the last 5 years. |

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Bellum Esca
72
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:22:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Ocih wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Ocih wrote:EVE was made for Win 98 What does PS3 have to do with it? Consoles are way different, and so is the mentality of console gamers. Also, windows 98? It's not that old is it? Do you really think Sony will make a PS4 that turns all it's multi-player online games obeselete? I don't know, do you know anyone that still plays the sims 2 online? Not a sony game, but you get the idea. That's what consoles do, that's kind of the principle behind it. Gamers buy new consoles for.. you guessed it! New games! Not to play the same crap they were playing the last 5 years.
They don't play the Sims because an updated version of the game came out.
Look at MW1, 2 and 3 they are all really similar. |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
76
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:24:00 -
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:http://youtu.be/rUeRQSRMiFc
The other really funny thing is that PS4 gets announced this year, should of made if for PC CCP.
Dust will also run on the PS4 out of the box. Sony cannot afford to botch backwards compatability on their next console and CCP wouldn't have agreed to this if they weren't sure of it. They mentioned this explicitely multiple times at FF 2009. |

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Bellum Esca
72
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:25:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:http://youtu.be/rUeRQSRMiFc
The other really funny thing is that PS4 gets announced this year, should of made if for PC CCP. Dust will also run on the PS4 out of the box. Sony cannot afford to botch backwards compatability on their next console and CCP wouldn't have agreed to this if they weren't sure of it. They mentioned this explicitely multiple times at FF 2009.
Good to know, confirms it's a cell cpu then I guess. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:26:00 -
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Schalac wrote:To say that DUST is not competing with games like CoD and BF is just ignorance. But keep telling yourself that DUST is going to be some special little snowflake that doesn't need those millions of players to like it then see me again with the servers of DUST are sitting empty because CoD released it's newest iteration. It's not competing with CoD and BF for the same reason that, say, Borderlands isn't competing with CoD and BF GÇö different game, different genre, different customer base. And it doesn't need those millions of players much like EVE doesn't. Does TQ become empty every time WoW releases its newest iteration?
Jimi Crackcorn wrote:I don't know, do you know anyone that still plays the sims 2 online? Not a sony game, but you get the idea. That's what consoles do, that's kind of the principle behind it. Gamers buy new consoles for.. you guessed it! New games! Not to play the same crap they were playing the last 5 years. GǪand yet, that's exactly what they're doing, and why BlandShooter N+1Gäó sells: because it's the same game people have been playing for the last 5 years, only with some new stuff. This is no different than, say, releasing a yearly expansion to an MMO. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1059
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:27:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote: News flash:
CCP is using Eve subscriber money on a new game, when that game goes under, so does eve.
Also, long term dev doesn't really go together with console gaming.
I lolled
You failed economy 101 didn't you?
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Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
68
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:34:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote: News flash:
CCP is using Eve subscriber money on a new game, when that game goes under, so does eve.
Also, long term dev doesn't really go together with console gaming.
I lolled You failed economy 101 didn't you?
Sure, cause when Dust doesn't sell for the millions they owe on it, that money is just going to appear out of nowhere right? Surely Eve, their only source of income, won't suffer as they struggle to pay everything back.
And we're not even counting the rage quitters who are going to leave after they decide they don't like the changes Dust is making to Eve. More income lost right there. And there will be rage quitters. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:37:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Sure, cause when Dust doesn't sell for the millions they owe on it, that money is just going to appear out of nowhere right? Surely Eve, their only source of income, won't suffer as they struggle to pay everything back. GǪbut that wasn't quite what you said, now was it?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
68
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Sure, cause when Dust doesn't sell for the millions they owe on it, that money is just going to appear out of nowhere right? Surely Eve, their only source of income, won't suffer as they struggle to pay everything back. GǪbut that wasn't quite what you said, now was it?
Well that depends how you look at it, I can see how you'd think that though. |

Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote: It's not competing with CoD and BF for the same reason that, say, Borderlands isn't competing with CoD and BF GÇö different game, different genre, different customer base.
Do you think your typical pimple faced stock boy at Best Buy is not going to look at the box, see a bunch of futuristic battle suits shooting stuff, look at the invoice that reduces it simply as "Shooter" and not place it next to other games? Especially if CCP does NOT pony up an exclusive item within the box?
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
37
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:49:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Ocih wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Ocih wrote:EVE was made for Win 98 What does PS3 have to do with it? Consoles are way different, and so is the mentality of console gamers. Also, windows 98? It's not that old is it? Do you really think Sony will make a PS4 that turns all it's multi-player online games obeselete? I don't know, do you know anyone that still plays the sims 2 online? Not a sony game, but you get the idea. That's what consoles do, that's kind of the principle behind it. Gamers buy new consoles for.. you guessed it! New games! Not to play the same crap they were playing the last 5 years.
Using PS4 as a doomsday element of Dust 514 is defeating yourself. It won't be the factor that hurts 514. Dust 514 doing well because it's going to work on PS4? Don't count on it.
I'm not arguing with anyone who thinks Dust 514 is going to be a small game population. It's like a local Bistro. It will get the locals in but people aren't going to come from far and wide to play it. If CCP and Sony showcase it and it's actually good? It might do OK. I don't want to bury it before its time.
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
12
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Schalac wrote:To say that DUST is not competing with games like CoD and BF is just ignorance. But keep telling yourself that DUST is going to be some special little snowflake that doesn't need those millions of players to like it then see me again with the servers of DUST are sitting empty because CoD released it's newest iteration. It's not competing with CoD and BF for the same reason that, say, Borderlands isn't competing with CoD and BF GÇö different game, different genre, different customer base. And it doesn't need those millions of players much like EVE doesn't. Does TQ become empty every time WoW releases its newest iteration? Then please enlighten me as to which genre DUST is going to be placed in if not FPS. Borderlands is a storyline driven single player/CO-OP RPG that uses the first person setting. DUST is a red vs. blue online FPS. To say that DUST is not competing with Borderlands is correct. DUST is in direct competition with CoD, BF and KZ though.
Also if EVE had half of the subscribers that WoW has I would agree with your point but obviously WoW is the winner on this front. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1059
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:08:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote: News flash:
CCP is using Eve subscriber money on a new game, when that game goes under, so does eve.
Also, long term dev doesn't really go together with console gaming.
I lolled You failed economy 101 didn't you? Sure, cause when Dust doesn't sell for the millions they owe on it, that money is just going to appear out of nowhere right? Surely Eve, their only source of income, won't suffer as they struggle to pay everything back. And we're not even counting the rage quitters who are going to leave after they decide they don't like the changes Dust is making to Eve. More income lost right there. And there will be rage quitters.
CCP did not mortgage Eve to develop Dust.
And let goons and testies rage quit. More 0.0 for me. |

Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
93
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:21:00 -
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I wonder if there is any top-down pressure from big alliance leadership on their members to get PS3s in anticipation that Dust will drastically change the Sov mechanic.
And if not, could this potentially cause mass rage-quits when the existing power blocs don't adapt to incorporate the Dust mercs?
Well, none of that really matters to me, I bought my PS3 a month back, signed up for Dust Beta and check my email several times a day for news of the closed Beta launch. I, for one, have been pumped for Dust for years.
Was I disappointed when they first said it was console only? Yes. Was I even more disappointed when they said it was PS3 exclusive? Yes, but I understand the reasoning they've given, with Xbox's little closed off universe choking the EvE-Dust link possibility. Am I scared of what the MT model will be? **** yes, but I think that after Incarna and the cluster-**** that NeX was, I can't see them screwing that up again. But who knows, history sometimes repeats itself.
I think this game's biggest competitor is Planetside, as I don't give 2 damns about CoD and won't get BF3 (BECAUSE OF ORIGIN!), and I LOVED PS 1. The best hope is to make it so the Dust players CARE about the EvE universe they are affecting. PS2 will have its continent-sprawling wars with thousands of participants (most likely with several serves, not one universe, not one war), but it'll all just be rotating ownership that doesn't matter to the player over a long term. In Dust, their actions will affect a larger game with "REAL" consequences, and that could really hook a lot of the players that try it when they fully understand what they are a part of. We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Bellum Esca
72
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:26:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:I wonder if there is any top-down pressure from big alliance leadership on their members to get PS3s in anticipation that Dust will drastically change the Sov mechanic.
And if not, could this potentially cause mass rage-quits when the existing power blocs don't adapt to incorporate the Dust mercs?
Well, none of that really matters to me, I bought my PS3 a month back, signed up for Dust Beta and check my email several times a day for news of the closed Beta launch. I, for one, have been pumped for Dust for years.
Was I disappointed when they first said it was console only? Yes. Was I even more disappointed when they said it was PS3 exclusive? Yes, but I understand the reasoning they've given, with Xbox's little closed off universe choking the EvE-Dust link possibility. Am I scared of what the MT model will be? **** yes, but I think that after Incarna and the cluster-**** that NeX was, I can't see them screwing that up again. But who knows, history sometimes repeats itself.
I think this game's biggest competitor is Planetside, as I don't give 2 damns about CoD and won't get BF3 (BECAUSE OF ORIGIN!), and I LOVED PS 1. The best hope is to make it so the Dust players CARE about the EvE universe they are affecting. PS2 will have its continent-sprawling wars with thousands of participants (most likely with several serves, not one universe, not one war), but it'll all just be rotating ownership that doesn't matter to the player over a long term. In Dust, their actions will affect a larger game with "REAL" consequences, and that could really hook a lot of the players that try it when they fully understand what they are a part of.
Have you played Dust yet? Any good? Tempted to get a PS3 cause of it. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1059
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:29:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:I wonder if there is any top-down pressure from big alliance leadership on their members to get PS3s in anticipation that Dust will drastically change the Sov mechanic.
And if not, could this potentially cause mass rage-quits when the existing power blocs don't adapt to incorporate the Dust mercs?
Well, none of that really matters to me, I bought my PS3 a month back, signed up for Dust Beta and check my email several times a day for news of the closed Beta launch. I, for one, have been pumped for Dust for years.
Was I disappointed when they first said it was console only? Yes. Was I even more disappointed when they said it was PS3 exclusive? Yes, but I understand the reasoning they've given, with Xbox's little closed off universe choking the EvE-Dust link possibility. Am I scared of what the MT model will be? **** yes, but I think that after Incarna and the cluster-**** that NeX was, I can't see them screwing that up again. But who knows, history sometimes repeats itself.
I think this game's biggest competitor is Planetside, as I don't give 2 damns about CoD and won't get BF3 (BECAUSE OF ORIGIN!), and I LOVED PS 1. The best hope is to make it so the Dust players CARE about the EvE universe they are affecting. PS2 will have its continent-sprawling wars with thousands of participants (most likely with several serves, not one universe, not one war), but it'll all just be rotating ownership that doesn't matter to the player over a long term. In Dust, their actions will affect a larger game with "REAL" consequences, and that could really hook a lot of the players that try it when they fully understand what they are a part of.
This. Truly.
I too am disappointed there is no immediate plans for a PC version of Dust, else CCP would have another subscriber/supporter.
And I highly doubt 0.0 spaceboat alliances will rage quit over Dust... it doesnt effect their spaceboat sovereignty, towers or techmoons as of yet in any way, shape or form.
If CCP were to tie moongoo into PI and expand PI into something that would dwarf techmoons, then we will see things heat up when Dust is released.
But if CCP does that and the powerblocks have tantrums, again, i hope testies and goons are first in line to rage quit.
Remember hobos, you can contract me your stuff for a nominal fee. |

Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
93
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:32:00 -
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote: Have you played Dust yet? Any good? Tempted to get a PS3 cause of it.
I'll be sure to poast my reaction on these forums after a 6 hour binge when the closed beta goes live. I've made a pretty hefty investment already (buying a console I otherwise would not have), so if it sucks, you'll hear my unbridled rage in the form of a 12-page rage post.
For example: If I discover the only way to get tanks/gear is Aurum and helmets are 1000 Aur, I will lose my ******* mind. We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |

Yumar Almasy
Production N Destruction INC. Blue Moon Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:32:00 -
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Dust is competing with games like MAG and Planetside. Anyone who thinks it is or should compete with CoD or Battlefield is obviously unfamiliar with any of the games I just mentioned...
DUST is also being released for less than half the price of most retail games and will be easier to access since it will be downloadable from day one. CCP has also acknowledged (in so many words) that there will be a port to PC within a year.
I don't understand why EVE players are hating on DUST so much when it is adding an entirely new dimension to the game, and it isn't even confirmed that DUST for PS3 will not have keyboard and mouse support.
http://dust514.org/home/item/everything-we-wanted-to-know-about-dust-514-and-weren-t-afraid-to-ask?category_id=1
To recap:
- DUST 514 will be VERY cheap to initially play compared to most retail games
- It will be available for download from day one
- Almost guaranteed it will be eventually ported to PC
- The PS3 supports a keyboard and mouse, and there is a strong possibility it will be supported for DUST.
Much of this is from the interview in the above link.
Battlefield and CoD target a completely different demographic and have very different business models. Planetside existed alongside CoD and BF for years. MAG is still populated and Planetside 2 is coming out soon, despite the new CoD and BF3. It makes little sense to compare a game like DUST to Battlefield and CoD.
Allowing the game and its rich universe to be accessible to different types of players and allowing one to see the game from a different point of view sounds full of win to me. |

Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:38:00 -
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EvE started with a playerbase that would have most MMO companies closing up shop for good and grew into what it is today.
Don't see why DUST can't be the same way. Start with a couple thousand users, just keep adding to the game and porting it to new formats, and finding new ways to tie it into EvE. Be good for both games in the long run. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4307
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:49:00 -
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Schalac wrote:Then please enlighten me as to which genre DUST is going to be placed in if not FPS. Objective-based persistent-world MMOFPS with a strong player-driven element.
Quote:Borderlands is a storyline driven single player/CO-OP RPG that uses the first person setting. No. Borderlands was a loot-driven co-op FPS with RPG elements in a Mad Max-ian frontier/wasteland setting, held together by a story that was just as pointless as it was in the clickfest-fjantasy-RPG version (Diablo).
Quote:Also if EVE had half of the subscribers that WoW has I would agree with your point but obviously WoW is the winner on this front. GǪand yet EVE survives just fine without the millions of subscribers of WoW (and is a better game to boot), and doesn't face empty servers every time WoW releases an expansion. So the question remains: why does Dust need those millions of players that the big-name games have, when EVE quite obviously does not?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Ai Shun
State War Academy Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:15:00 -
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Ah, it is the turn of Dust 514 questions for the weekly topic rotation. I wish there was an auto-ignore feature for the people too lazy to check if their brilliant, witty and oh so original prose has already been discussed at length. |

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Bellum Esca
72
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:28:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Ah, it is the turn of Dust 514 questions for the weekly topic rotation. I wish there was an auto-ignore feature for the people too lazy to check if their brilliant, witty and oh so original prose has already been discussed at length.
Actually I made a search before I posted this thread because of that, 2 relevant ones would be..
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=538499#post538499
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=532139#post532139
Not really what I was talking about in these ones but still similar subject. Thanks for your valuable input though.
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Ai Shun
State War Academy Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:12:00 -
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:Not really what I was talking about in these ones but still similar subject.
What will happen to Dust 514 when the next generation consoles release?
How long do you intend Dust 514 to last, CCP?
Are PS3 players ready for a steady girlfriend?
The podcast in that last one is worth it. And another one that contains some references, but not directly related. (More of EVE on PS3)
Eve on PS3?
Really not a similar subject? And you're welcome. And a thank you, I hadn't seen your second linked one yet. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
840
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:19:00 -
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There are reasons why console games producers need to churn out frequent new releases at $50-60 a pop to stay in business.
There are reasons why even with the above business model console game producers have difficulty surviving on the percentage of profit they make.
Very few of those reasons apply to CCP, which explains why they really aren't concerned with producing huge numbers when the game is first released. Nor do they feel pressure to do anything other than what they already prefer to do, that being to expand their original offering on a regular basis.
CCP is is an excellent, and somewhat unique, position compared to their competitors. They are in a position to do it a new way, a more financially sound way (that doesn't depend on constant new releases and marketing hype to survive), and drag the rest of the console game industry kicking and screaming along with them.
If you pay very close attention, you will notice many of the big players in the console game industry scrambling frantically to create their own version of what CCP is already doing.
Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
283
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:34:00 -
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The PS4 and XBox 720 will not be released in 2012 or 2013.
Dust 514 better be better than Halo 4 and Borderlands II.
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Bellum Esca
72
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:41:00 -
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Where is it talking about Planetside 2?
I admit I skim read them but still can't see it. The PS4 thing is similar but that was no how this thread started. |
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