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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:46:00 -
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Ok, I am not going to post any pictures or mention isk selling sites or previous GM responses. I am only going to post about the current escalation of spamming.
We now have 2-4 isk selling sites competing in the trade and general chat channels. It has gotten so bad that they have bots posting the ad every 30-60 seconds. I blocked about 10 a few nights ago and it only started up again with other brand new charas about an hour later.
CCP, this is unacceptable. Please police your trade channels or give op rights to regulars that volunteer and meet a criteria, like you do STAR volunteers in the help channel.
This has been going on for months. We the undersigned simply ask that you keep trial accounts out of the public channels that you will not or cannot observe.
This action alone would CEASE the isk spamming in chat. Then you can add a filter that removes all Eve Mail that starts with "Dear Friend"......
/signed
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Terminus adacai
This has been going on for months. We the undersigned simply ask that you keep trial accounts out of the public channels that you will not or cannot observe.
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
I do agree with the other parts, and I do realize that this is becoming an escalating problem, more and more I'm having to block these people. But, I just am sure that there is a better way, where we can try and target the spammers, and not punishing the people just interested in trying out the game.
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Mogrin
Caldari
Spartan Fleet Systems
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:52:00 -
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Congratulations you're the first person in this forum to ever spell ridiculous correctly.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:55:00 -
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I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
My block list is getting huge. I only block isk spammers and have hundreds of names in my block list. there has to be a method that CCP could employ to prevent isk spam. Not only is advertising isk for sale a EULA violation, it is dang right annoying with it's increasing frequency.
If blocking trial accounts from the channels is not the answer, I sure would like to hear other ideas. The easiest would be to have GM's or volunteers observe the channels.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.08 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai
Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
My block list is getting huge. I only block isk spammers and have hundreds of names in my block list. there has to be a method that CCP could employ to prevent isk spam. Not only is advertising isk for sale a EULA violation, it is dang right annoying with it's increasing frequency.
If blocking trial accounts from the channels is not the answer, I sure would like to hear other ideas. The easiest would be to have GM's or volunteers observe the channels.
Like what? Squelch all chat messages that have ISK or SELL in them? Its one thing to say something is broken and suggest an idea to fix it, and completely different then to complain something is broken and expect someone to give you the solution.
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Raven Starchild
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Posted - 2007.07.08 05:10:00 -
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It would probably be possible to have the chat channels rigged so that say when 10 people block another player on the same channel within seconds of each other, chat channel usage rights get taken away until they petition the GMs about it. And since its not a high priority petition, the GMs will ignore it for a while.
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vulnevia
S-44
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Posted - 2007.07.08 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: vulnevia on 08/07/2007 09:21:15
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Like what? Squelch all chat messages that have ISK or SELL in them? Its one thing to say something is broken and suggest an idea to fix it, and completely different then to complain something is broken and expect someone to give you the solution.
Oooor, maybe block all messages that have that address they've been using for about a year now?
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Ararius
e X i l e
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 09:42:00 -
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Give a select few the ability to give a temp chat ban to people that is reviewed around/at dt.
Lowers GM workload seeing as all they do is have to review a list of names, and cheak the server logs and see if the person is actualy guilty of said crime (isk selling in this case) and give out judgment freely
Of course if one of the few makes a mistake or does something to someone or something their powers are revoked?
Originally by: Alski
It depends how much CCP learn from past user interface mistakes, i'm sure they'll do very well, but if not i'll be right clicking on random people and selecting "Orbit at 0.5m"  |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.07.08 09:49:00 -
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It seems there is a higher intensity in the isk sales at the moment. I got a evemail both yesterday and today from different bots with isk offers. I havent had any for months up until now.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Like what? Squelch all chat messages that have ISK or SELL in them? Its one thing to say something is broken and suggest an idea to fix it, and completely different then to complain something is broken and expect someone to give you the solution.
Obvious attempt to flame. Please don't derail this thread.
I did suggest an idea to fix it, please scroll up and read the OP.
Have a pleasant day
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Templer Relleg
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
Excuse me? Thats the worst solution ever.
They are spamming channels with illegal stuff? And they create new accounts as often as i blow up people.
Blocking is not an option.
Fix this CCP! Even the evetv channel is hit by the spammers.
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Braka Tron
Amarr
Phantasmal Collective
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
U may not, but the guy trying out EVE seeing nothing then HEY!!! BUY ISK MAKE THE GAME EASY BLABLABLA, will most likely turn around and say bye bye EVE.... now thats a problem. Also most people dont even know how to block. Learn to think before u type something down 
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FreelancerAlpha
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:37:00 -
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Even wow, with the massive financial backing it has, and the limit of 2 trials per account bought, has this issue. I'm not saying it can't be solved, but I think its best to aim for a compromise rather than eradication. I support the idea of volunteer moderators who can kick/ban, and maybe an alteration to CCP's trial program. Maybe consider repercussions against accounts which create trials that are then used for isk spam or suicide ganking (sec status avoidance).
Of course, you'd need IP logs to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that the host account intended the trial to be used for reasons other than giving another player a chance at the game.
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
Ehm, you exactly do not understand its not a majority its a minority. The minority of players on trial accounts who haven't even payed a cent for the service. Why the exceptional majority - those who pay their accounts must suffer from spam while the minority on trial accounts can access those channels?
While on trial account you should have a read-only access rights on all public channels (except local for the all systems, but some like trade-hubs), but a channel for a newcomers.
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J Ripper
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:50:00 -
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Give me the power to kick/ban! I would gladly take up ths job 
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
Because you cannot police this minorty. Simply limiting trial accounts talking to a) local, b) corp chat and c) the rookie channel isn't a big deal IMO - most trial account users do not use other channels in their first 2 weeks anyway. And you certainly do not need to be able to use all chat channels to test the game.
It would be in the end less limiting than the ship restrictions (for example a trial cannot train for indys for the same reason - abuse of trial accounts).
In fact, if you do not limit the chatroom useage of trial account users you are punishing a majority (non-trial users who suffer from spam) for the sake of not punishing a minority (trial account users).
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Sean Ricin
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
It seems there is a higher intensity in the isk sales at the moment. I got a evemail both yesterday and today from different bots with isk offers. I havent had any for months up until now.
Any good deals? 
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:12:00 -
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There is no reason for any trial account to have access to the trade channel whatsoever, revoke it and problem is solved.
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:14:00 -
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limit trials to corp, local and rookiehelp only
let one of the gm's keep an eye on all the rookiecorpchatchannels + rookiehelp and it should get better after a while
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ararius
Give a select few the ability to give a temp chat ban to people that is reviewed around/at dt.
This 'semi-moderator' status sounds like a really good idea.
And, as a person who has dealt with Terminus Adacai on a number of occasions, I vote that he be given those rights.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:55:00 -
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I'm glad to see that others agree that trial accounts don't need access to the trade or public channels. I had suggested this in the Game Development threads some time ago and nothing has ever been done.
As for Eve mail that advertises isk, that could easily be taken care of as well. Simply kill any Eve mail that includes a link to a known isk selling site before it even reached the recipient's in box. I see posts or posted pics with the URLs of such sites getting GM sniped in the forums all the time. Why can't something be done in game as well?
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: BluOrange
Originally by: Ararius
Give a select few the ability to give a temp chat ban to people that is reviewed around/at dt.
This 'semi-moderator' status sounds like a really good idea.
And, as a person who has dealt with Terminus Adacai on a number of occasions, I vote that he be given those rights.
Why thank you Blue. Not sure I really want that job though... :) I've avoided the BP trade channel lately as the isk spamming has gotten unbearable lately and I decided that we needed to speak up publicly.
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:13:00 -
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if the chat system starts to filter messages with certain urls in them, they will only go to use something like tinyurl redirect, or even then just write "BUY ISK ENJOY THE GAME READ MY BIO FOR ADDRESS". The price we pay for freedom is constant vigilance.
DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine |
fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:21:00 -
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If people stopped buying isk in the first place, we wouldn't have isk sellers. Never understood why someone would pay rl money for virtual money you could earn yourself, seems wierd to me 
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Alrione
Amarr
New Eden Freelancers
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Speed Devil
limit trials to corp, local and rookiehelp only
let one of the gm's keep an eye on all the rookiecorpchatchannels + rookiehelp and it should get better after a while
Completely agree with this idea. And I guess trials should have limit on eve mail as well.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.08 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
If people stopped buying isk in the first place, we wouldn't have isk sellers. Never understood why someone would pay rl money for virtual money you could earn yourself, seems wierd to me
It's rather simple really - everyone needs to grind for isk now and then unless he has an low effort way to earn it without real work.
So you have there two option: grinding isk which can be dependant on your options slow or fast but in either case relatively borning -or- buy isk either by selling GTCs or buying isk from farmers.
So, why buying isk? If your RL job pays you 25$/hour which you could use to buy 500 mil isk and if you could spend 10-15 hours ratting for the same isk what would you rather do? Work for 1 additonal hour or spend 10-15 hours beltratting?
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:01:00 -
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Please stay OT with this one. This is not a debate about buying isk. It is a request for CCP to do something about isk spammers.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Arko
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
Ehm, you exactly do not understand its not a majority its a minority. The minority of players on trial accounts who haven't even payed a cent for the service. Why the exceptional majority - those who pay their accounts must suffer from spam while the minority on trial accounts can access those channels?
................what?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 09/07/2007 09:59:59
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| trial spammers | normal trial users | paying eve players |
Limiting trial accounts to corp/local/rookie will hurt normal trial players, yes. Not much, though, since you hardly use other channels in your first 2 weeks.
However NOT limiting trial accounts does hurt many MANY more players (which unlike trials also pay for the game) than limiting trials will do. The majority of all eve players suffers on cost of a minority.
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