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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:46:00 -
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Ok, I am not going to post any pictures or mention isk selling sites or previous GM responses. I am only going to post about the current escalation of spamming.
We now have 2-4 isk selling sites competing in the trade and general chat channels. It has gotten so bad that they have bots posting the ad every 30-60 seconds. I blocked about 10 a few nights ago and it only started up again with other brand new charas about an hour later.
CCP, this is unacceptable. Please police your trade channels or give op rights to regulars that volunteer and meet a criteria, like you do STAR volunteers in the help channel.
This has been going on for months. We the undersigned simply ask that you keep trial accounts out of the public channels that you will not or cannot observe.
This action alone would CEASE the isk spamming in chat. Then you can add a filter that removes all Eve Mail that starts with "Dear Friend"......
/signed
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Terminus adacai
This has been going on for months. We the undersigned simply ask that you keep trial accounts out of the public channels that you will not or cannot observe.
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
I do agree with the other parts, and I do realize that this is becoming an escalating problem, more and more I'm having to block these people. But, I just am sure that there is a better way, where we can try and target the spammers, and not punishing the people just interested in trying out the game.
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Mogrin
Caldari
Spartan Fleet Systems
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:52:00 -
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Congratulations you're the first person in this forum to ever spell ridiculous correctly.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:55:00 -
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I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
My block list is getting huge. I only block isk spammers and have hundreds of names in my block list. there has to be a method that CCP could employ to prevent isk spam. Not only is advertising isk for sale a EULA violation, it is dang right annoying with it's increasing frequency.
If blocking trial accounts from the channels is not the answer, I sure would like to hear other ideas. The easiest would be to have GM's or volunteers observe the channels.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.08 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai
Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
My block list is getting huge. I only block isk spammers and have hundreds of names in my block list. there has to be a method that CCP could employ to prevent isk spam. Not only is advertising isk for sale a EULA violation, it is dang right annoying with it's increasing frequency.
If blocking trial accounts from the channels is not the answer, I sure would like to hear other ideas. The easiest would be to have GM's or volunteers observe the channels.
Like what? Squelch all chat messages that have ISK or SELL in them? Its one thing to say something is broken and suggest an idea to fix it, and completely different then to complain something is broken and expect someone to give you the solution.
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Raven Starchild
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Posted - 2007.07.08 05:10:00 -
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It would probably be possible to have the chat channels rigged so that say when 10 people block another player on the same channel within seconds of each other, chat channel usage rights get taken away until they petition the GMs about it. And since its not a high priority petition, the GMs will ignore it for a while.
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vulnevia
S-44
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Posted - 2007.07.08 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: vulnevia on 08/07/2007 09:21:15
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Like what? Squelch all chat messages that have ISK or SELL in them? Its one thing to say something is broken and suggest an idea to fix it, and completely different then to complain something is broken and expect someone to give you the solution.
Oooor, maybe block all messages that have that address they've been using for about a year now?
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Ararius
e X i l e
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 09:42:00 -
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Give a select few the ability to give a temp chat ban to people that is reviewed around/at dt.
Lowers GM workload seeing as all they do is have to review a list of names, and cheak the server logs and see if the person is actualy guilty of said crime (isk selling in this case) and give out judgment freely
Of course if one of the few makes a mistake or does something to someone or something their powers are revoked?
Originally by: Alski
It depends how much CCP learn from past user interface mistakes, i'm sure they'll do very well, but if not i'll be right clicking on random people and selecting "Orbit at 0.5m"  |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.07.08 09:49:00 -
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It seems there is a higher intensity in the isk sales at the moment. I got a evemail both yesterday and today from different bots with isk offers. I havent had any for months up until now.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Like what? Squelch all chat messages that have ISK or SELL in them? Its one thing to say something is broken and suggest an idea to fix it, and completely different then to complain something is broken and expect someone to give you the solution.
Obvious attempt to flame. Please don't derail this thread.
I did suggest an idea to fix it, please scroll up and read the OP.
Have a pleasant day
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Templer Relleg
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
Excuse me? Thats the worst solution ever.
They are spamming channels with illegal stuff? And they create new accounts as often as i blow up people.
Blocking is not an option.
Fix this CCP! Even the evetv channel is hit by the spammers.
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Braka Tron
Amarr
Phantasmal Collective
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
U may not, but the guy trying out EVE seeing nothing then HEY!!! BUY ISK MAKE THE GAME EASY BLABLABLA, will most likely turn around and say bye bye EVE.... now thats a problem. Also most people dont even know how to block. Learn to think before u type something down 
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FreelancerAlpha
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:37:00 -
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Even wow, with the massive financial backing it has, and the limit of 2 trials per account bought, has this issue. I'm not saying it can't be solved, but I think its best to aim for a compromise rather than eradication. I support the idea of volunteer moderators who can kick/ban, and maybe an alteration to CCP's trial program. Maybe consider repercussions against accounts which create trials that are then used for isk spam or suicide ganking (sec status avoidance).
Of course, you'd need IP logs to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that the host account intended the trial to be used for reasons other than giving another player a chance at the game.
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
Ehm, you exactly do not understand its not a majority its a minority. The minority of players on trial accounts who haven't even payed a cent for the service. Why the exceptional majority - those who pay their accounts must suffer from spam while the minority on trial accounts can access those channels?
While on trial account you should have a read-only access rights on all public channels (except local for the all systems, but some like trade-hubs), but a channel for a newcomers.
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J Ripper
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:50:00 -
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Give me the power to kick/ban! I would gladly take up ths job 
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
Because you cannot police this minorty. Simply limiting trial accounts talking to a) local, b) corp chat and c) the rookie channel isn't a big deal IMO - most trial account users do not use other channels in their first 2 weeks anyway. And you certainly do not need to be able to use all chat channels to test the game.
It would be in the end less limiting than the ship restrictions (for example a trial cannot train for indys for the same reason - abuse of trial accounts).
In fact, if you do not limit the chatroom useage of trial account users you are punishing a majority (non-trial users who suffer from spam) for the sake of not punishing a minority (trial account users).
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Sean Ricin
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
It seems there is a higher intensity in the isk sales at the moment. I got a evemail both yesterday and today from different bots with isk offers. I havent had any for months up until now.
Any good deals? 
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:12:00 -
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There is no reason for any trial account to have access to the trade channel whatsoever, revoke it and problem is solved.
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:14:00 -
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limit trials to corp, local and rookiehelp only
let one of the gm's keep an eye on all the rookiecorpchatchannels + rookiehelp and it should get better after a while
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ararius
Give a select few the ability to give a temp chat ban to people that is reviewed around/at dt.
This 'semi-moderator' status sounds like a really good idea.
And, as a person who has dealt with Terminus Adacai on a number of occasions, I vote that he be given those rights.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:55:00 -
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I'm glad to see that others agree that trial accounts don't need access to the trade or public channels. I had suggested this in the Game Development threads some time ago and nothing has ever been done.
As for Eve mail that advertises isk, that could easily be taken care of as well. Simply kill any Eve mail that includes a link to a known isk selling site before it even reached the recipient's in box. I see posts or posted pics with the URLs of such sites getting GM sniped in the forums all the time. Why can't something be done in game as well?
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: BluOrange
Originally by: Ararius
Give a select few the ability to give a temp chat ban to people that is reviewed around/at dt.
This 'semi-moderator' status sounds like a really good idea.
And, as a person who has dealt with Terminus Adacai on a number of occasions, I vote that he be given those rights.
Why thank you Blue. Not sure I really want that job though... :) I've avoided the BP trade channel lately as the isk spamming has gotten unbearable lately and I decided that we needed to speak up publicly.
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:13:00 -
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if the chat system starts to filter messages with certain urls in them, they will only go to use something like tinyurl redirect, or even then just write "BUY ISK ENJOY THE GAME READ MY BIO FOR ADDRESS". The price we pay for freedom is constant vigilance.
DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine |
fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:21:00 -
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If people stopped buying isk in the first place, we wouldn't have isk sellers. Never understood why someone would pay rl money for virtual money you could earn yourself, seems wierd to me 
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Alrione
Amarr
New Eden Freelancers
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Speed Devil
limit trials to corp, local and rookiehelp only
let one of the gm's keep an eye on all the rookiecorpchatchannels + rookiehelp and it should get better after a while
Completely agree with this idea. And I guess trials should have limit on eve mail as well.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.08 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
If people stopped buying isk in the first place, we wouldn't have isk sellers. Never understood why someone would pay rl money for virtual money you could earn yourself, seems wierd to me
It's rather simple really - everyone needs to grind for isk now and then unless he has an low effort way to earn it without real work.
So you have there two option: grinding isk which can be dependant on your options slow or fast but in either case relatively borning -or- buy isk either by selling GTCs or buying isk from farmers.
So, why buying isk? If your RL job pays you 25$/hour which you could use to buy 500 mil isk and if you could spend 10-15 hours ratting for the same isk what would you rather do? Work for 1 additonal hour or spend 10-15 hours beltratting?
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:01:00 -
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Please stay OT with this one. This is not a debate about buying isk. It is a request for CCP to do something about isk spammers.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Arko
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I understand that you mean well with this. However, I don't think it is really the solution. I had said this before, but why should the majority be punished for what the minority does? I am assuming that by "all public channels" you don't mean Local channels though.
Ehm, you exactly do not understand its not a majority its a minority. The minority of players on trial accounts who haven't even payed a cent for the service. Why the exceptional majority - those who pay their accounts must suffer from spam while the minority on trial accounts can access those channels?
................what?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 09/07/2007 09:59:59
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| trial spammers | normal trial users | paying eve players |
Limiting trial accounts to corp/local/rookie will hurt normal trial players, yes. Not much, though, since you hardly use other channels in your first 2 weeks.
However NOT limiting trial accounts does hurt many MANY more players (which unlike trials also pay for the game) than limiting trials will do. The majority of all eve players suffers on cost of a minority.
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Dei
Amarr
Khanid Aerospace Group
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.07.09 10:36:00 -
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There is no reason the trial accounts are even in the trade channels tbh. What are they trading? I want to meet a trial member that has anything decent to sell in any of the trade channels who is not wasting time by selling his cruiser on the ships channel.
Best solution by far is the no-trial account for most channels (as stated above).
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Pimm
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:20:00 -
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Just make new accounts unable to post URL's.
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mr bighelmet
EnTech
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:29:00 -
[33]
keep trail accounts limit to local/noob help/corp chat.
will solve big part of the problem.
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Takahashi Ged
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dei
There is no reason the trial accounts are even in the trade channels tbh. What are they trading? I want to meet a trial member that has anything decent to sell in any of the trade channels who is not wasting time by selling his cruiser on the ships channel.
Best solution by far is the no-trial account for most channels (as stated above).
I think the best solution is for CCP to implement a simple automated report feature accessible directly via a right-click on somebody's name. Right-click on a ISK-seller's name, select Report Offender and the game automatically sends this person's chat log attached to the report as well. Reporting offenders this way might automatically block them until their case is reviewed by a GM as well. Do that and things should get better IMHO.
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Terazuk
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai
We the undersigned simply ask that you keep trial accounts out of the public channels that you will not or cannot observe.
An extremely simple solution that would work, no question.
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Sian Tairnesh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.09 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Takahashi Ged
I think the best solution is for CCP to implement a simple automated report feature accessible directly via a right-click on somebody's name. Right-click on a ISK-seller's name, select Report Offender and the game automatically sends this person's chat log attached to the report as well. Reporting offenders this way might automatically block them until their case is reviewed by a GM as well. Do that and things should get better IMHO.
I don't think that's a very good solution. ISK sellers open several new accounts a day, so blocking them this way wouldn't work very well. And auto-blocking could be abused to no end.
No, intelligent moderators are the only way to block ISK spammers. Limiting chat access for trial accounts might work, too, but I'm all for freedom of choice and stuff.
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Darwinia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.09 12:04:00 -
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just auto ban anything that posts those sites as a link in chat.. since it's mostly bots posting it will take the sellers long time to adapt
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.09 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 09/07/2007 12:19:59
Originally by: Pimm
Just make new accounts unable to post URL's.
Errr, that won't work : example with a random code :
random. adress at iownyoucash. com
Will you suggest preventing every one from writing "at" or putting dots in their text when they speak ?
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No, intelligent moderators are the only way to block ISK spammers. Limiting chat access for trial accounts might work, too, but I'm all for freedom of choice and stuff.
QFT.
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Arachidamia
Matari People's Front
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Posted - 2007.07.09 12:47:00 -
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How about implimenting a right click>report isk spammer button similar to the block button? Wont stop isk spammers, but it makes it far quicker and easier to report them. I'm not overly keen on the idea of banning trial accounts from chat channels. The social aspect of eve is very important to the game after all. If I wasn't allowed to enter main chat channels when I played the trial, it's likely I wouldn't have ended up subscribing.
Tricky thing to solve. But something must be done, even the newbie corp chats are getting spammed now. And chatting in the empire channels is becoming very tiresome with the pages upon pages of spam in those.
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hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.09 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Arachidamia
How about implimenting a right click>report isk spammer button similar to the block button? Wont stop isk spammers, but it makes it far quicker and easier to report them. I'm not overly keen on the idea of banning trial accounts from chat channels. The social aspect of eve is very important to the game after all. If I wasn't allowed to enter main chat channels when I played the trial, it's likely I wouldn't have ended up subscribing.
Tricky thing to solve. But something must be done, even the newbie corp chats are getting spammed now. And chatting in the empire channels is becoming very tiresome with the pages upon pages of spam in those.
You know it's bad when ideas are being thrown about to implement a special button to report an ISK spammer.
No trial accounts in trade channels, they have nothing to sell that's worthwhile, and if they intend on selling it then they intend on being in the game longer than 14 days.
It's getting beyond stupid now CCP, the GM's can't be asked to handle this, you need to think of a better solution rather than closing your eyes and hoping that an ISD mod locks any thread related to ISK spammers.
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Major Sails
Murini Ice Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai
Please stay OT with this one. This is not a debate about buying isk. It is a request for CCP to do something about isk spammers.
Can't have one without the other.
Demanding that CCP give us a fix for spamming isk sellers, is like asking for a bandaid on a bullet wound.
On the other hand, addressing those who utilize these services would be more akin to surgically removing the bullet.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.09 14:09:00 -
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dont buy isk - bots will go away
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 15:50:00 -
[43]
Originally by: SiJira
dont buy isk - bots will go away
don't commit crimes - we won't need police anymore
Aka - don't be stupid. People will always buy isk. Always. It is utterly impossible to limit the problem from that side.
And, no, improved moderating is also utterly useless. Know why? Because, no matter what you do, making a new trial will always be easier for the isk spammers than it will be to get a spammer banned. It is a lost battle before it even starts.
Unless you make it so easy to do (with automated systems etc) that it can and will be abused to hell and back and will cause far more problems than it solves.
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ArtieLange
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:08:00 -
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Right click, block. It's your friend, too.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:13:00 -
[45]
Originally by: SiJira
dont buy isk - bots will go away
yeah just like SWG where at least 90% of the players quit because of SOE's constant mismanagement and half of the remaining players are gold farmers.
just ban the trials from the trade channels and have GMs monitor the empire channels. a new player has no reason to be in the blueprints channel, and legitimate users can't conduct business there unless they clog up their block list with hundreds of throwaway trials so it takes 5 minutes to open P&P.
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Corporati Capitalis
Tollan Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:18:00 -
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I think most of the posters in this thread don't even think about the newbies. And I'm not talking about those getting lost in the trade channels, but rather the ones who are actively using the corp/local/rookie channels to find help.
Because when you ban the spammers from the BP channel, where do you think they'll go next?
That's right, in the channels with the highest population aka noobcorp/rookie channels.
/nosign to the ban-trials-from-trade-channels proposition
/sign to more options for self-/GM-assisted policing.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Corporati Capitalis
Because when you ban the spammers from the BP channel, where do you think they'll go next?
That's right, in the channels with the highest population aka noobcorp/rookie channels.
pretty sure they're already spamming those, so there would be no further disruption to users of those channels while greatly improving the experience of everyone in the trade channels.
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Corporati Capitalis
Tollan Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:38:00 -
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No, they aren't. Not in the ludicrous amounts the BP channel is being flooded with, anyway.
So how about we leave it as it is, so most of them stay in "your" channel and out of "mine"? Seeing that this is turning into a "get them out of my way and let others deal with them" discussion and all that. 
And no, I don't really stay that much in the noob corp channel and do stay in the BP channel most of the time, but that doesn't change my point
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 09/07/2007 16:47:18
I think the bigger problem in this is that as a new player, I did the bad thing. I bought ISK, not a small amount, but the largest I could buy in one transaction - I bought 1 Billion ISK.
I didn't know that it was BAD! I didn't know that it was a punishable offense, or that I could have my wallet hit with a negative amount to the tune of what I purchased. It seemed like the thing to do, here's all these people offering in game. I figured it was being resold like time cards, that these people were authorized resellers. If it were wrong, why are they there?
I didn't find out it was bad until I joined a corp and told them in corp chat that I was thinking about purchasing another billion. That's when everyone jumped me and said, "What?!?! You buy ISK and we're going to kick you!".
I haven't bought ISK since, so please if there's any Game Mods don't hit my wallet, it was an innocent mistake, which is my point. These guys need to be stopped before you hit a customer who enjoys your game, but made an honest mistake like I did.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:46:00 -
[50]
but the rookie help channel has GMs or ISD or whatever in there, and the blueprints channel has no moderation at all. get them out of the unmonitored channel and they're forced to go into a moderated one, where CCP staff will see how insanely bad this problem is, and can do something about it immediately instead of having to wait for someone to petition it.
and think about how much lower the petition load would be if there was a GM banning these tards on sight instead of letting them spam away for half an hour while a dozen people petition them.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:34:00 -
[51]
Its also not really the same thing. For rather obvious reasons isk sellers find in a channel where you regulary trade with multi billion assets more possible buyers than in a rookie help channel. Removing isk sellers there does not mean an automatic increase elsewhere.
Nevermind that it is no real problem to spam in multiple channels at once. If it would be "profitable" to spam in rookie chat as much as in the trade channels they would do it already.
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Mari Onette
Amarr
Gottland Production Transport Mines
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:49:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Mari Onette on 09/07/2007 21:49:20
all you people whining about how CCP should do something should start filing harassment petitions for isk spammers.
There are over 100 people in a trade channel at any one time. if 25 of you petition each and every spammer that enters the channel, don't you think it will be dealt with quickly? The fact of the matter is that CCP cannot monitor all channels all the time.
IT IS YOUR DUTY AS A POD PILOT TO PETITION SPAMMERS WHO ARE SELLING ISK. GM'S ARE NOT OMNIPRESENT AND IF THEY ARE TO DO THE JOB YOU WANT THEM TO, YOU MUST BE THEIR EYES AND EARS.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:25:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Mari Onette
Edited by: Mari Onette on 09/07/2007 21:49:20
all you people whining about how CCP should do something should start filing harassment petitions for isk spammers.
There are over 100 people in a trade channel at any one time. if 25 of you petition each and every spammer that enters the channel, don't you think it will be dealt with quickly? The fact of the matter is that CCP cannot monitor all channels all the time.
IT IS YOUR DUTY AS A POD PILOT TO PETITION SPAMMERS WHO ARE SELLING ISK. GM'S ARE NOT OMNIPRESENT AND IF THEY ARE TO DO THE JOB YOU WANT THEM TO, YOU MUST BE THEIR EYES AND EARS.
I have file numerous petitions on isk spammers. I will not discuss the reply that led me to quit petitioning, as it will allow a moderator to lock this thread and that doesn't need to happen. This needs to be out in the open and discussed.
Petitioning is not the way to go, just trust me on this. It creates a heavy backlog of petitions and more work for the GM's.
We have already offered a simple solution, and some other good ideas are being discussed in here. Please do not discuss petitions and what reply you have gotten back from a GM.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:29:00 -
[54]
I also wanted to point out that the OP had a couple of ideas that would actually lower the GM workload. As has been stated in this thread several times, there is no reason for a trial account to be hitting up trade channels anyhow.
If they are a new player with a lot to learn, they have nothing to sell and little isk to buy with. the only trial accounts I see in trade channels ask for handouts or are isk spam bots.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:41:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Mari Onette
There are over 100 people in a trade channel at any one time. if 25 of you petition each and every spammer that enters the channel, don't you think it will be dealt with quickly?
And what does in your opinion stop a spammer from making a new trial account in 1 minute and continue spamming with that again? And again? And again? And again? It's far less workload for him to make a new trial account than to get a GM to ban him.
Petitioning is no solution.
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Mari Onette
Amarr
Gottland Production Transport Mines
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:44:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Terminus adacai
I have file numerous petitions on isk spammers. I will not discuss the reply that led me to quit petitioning, as it will allow a moderator to lock this thread and that doesn't need to happen. This needs to be out in the open and discussed.
Petitioning is not the way to go, just trust me on this. It creates a heavy backlog of petitions and more work for the GM's.
If a GM gave you **** for petitioning a violation of the ToS, you should escalate it. Any GM who objects to dealing with ToS violation petitions is failing to do their job. As it stands now, petitioning spammers is the ONLY way to deal with them. If that creates a backlog of petitions, GOOD. They want us to report ToS violations and if they get buried in them, it shows them that there is in fact a problem with the ToS being violated.
If CCP does not wish to give us a system that will allow us to deal with spammers without filing petitions, then it is their own fault when they get buried in petitions related to spammers, and they can only point fingers at themselves for being too inflexible to evolve over time.
If you do not pro actively report spammers and try and stop them, what right do you have to whine about how someone should do something about them? Talking accomplishes nothing. The daily thread about spammers here proves that. Actions are the only way to change the world.
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I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:49:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Mari Onette
Actions are the only way to change the world.
And that is what he is doing. By asking for a real way to stop spammers. Which can only be done by limiting where they can do that.
Petitioning them is utterly useless there and only a waste of time, both of yours and the GMs. You need to realise that isk spammers are using TRIAL ACCOUNTS which can be remade instantly and indefinately. Banning one is like cutting off the head of an hydra, a new one will regrowth within minutes.
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Alekzander
Caldari
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 00:06:00 -
[58]
Man, if CCP started policing the channels I'd have to stop being a total perv in caldari chat.  Then again, I could deal w/o the massive spam. Mr. BownJyo.com (not quite the real name) is THE WORST by far.
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Gord Ackfordham
Fenscore Enterprises
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.10 00:28:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Terminus adacai
I have file numerous petitions on isk spammers. I will not discuss the reply that led me to quit petitioning, as it will allow a moderator to lock this thread and that doesn't need to happen. This needs to be out in the open and discussed.
been there, done that too... i went to IA, but they gave me some lame excuse about how it takes time to investigate the characters. evemail me sometime, i'd like to see this reply of yours. 
--gordo |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.10 00:40:00 -
[60]
Unfortunately, discussing gm replies to petitions in the forum will get a thread locked. There are plenty of isk spamming threads that have already been locked because of it.
Anyone that says it is our duty to report spammers, I used to agree with you. I used to do it for every isk spammer that came in trade chat and well, let's just say that this thread is the result of that.
I will only say that the last reply I got shocked me. So if it is not to be handled petition, then maybe an open forum is the way to go.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
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GM Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.10 02:17:00 -
[61]
Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here.
If you feel that you have received an inappropriate reply from a GM regarding a petition, please file a complaint and I or those of us concerned with quality control will have a look at it.
In regards to ISK selling spam and how to deal with it. ISK selling spam can be likened to a skin rash. Dealing with only the spammers is akin to constantly applying cosmetics on the rash to hide it instead of doing something about the cause of the rash and finding a cure.
So, while we ban the trial accounts (logged on modified clients) used to spam, we prefer to directly attack the root of the problem, which is ISK buying. In most cases we can trace the sellers through the spammers with IP searches and other goody tools we have. When we catch the seller, we ban him/her and reverse all donations made from his character/s. This means that the ISK buyers will have their bought ISK removed, and they will have paid real money for nothing.
As far as we can tell, this is working. A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK. This we removed from hundreds players which had bought the ISK for real money, and in many cases landed them in a negative balance. We banned well over 100 accounts. (ISK sellers all of them) You will not hear this from the buyers who were cought as they will never admit to buying ISK and thus I am telling you now. Nor will we name and shame anyone.
To achieve final victory over Real Money Trade (ISK buying and the spam that follows) we need YOUR help. We can not do this alone. If you, the players lend us a hand in this by, first of all, not buying ISK and second of all discourage anyone from doing it, we can eventually beat this.
Together we can do this. This community is the most mature one any MMO can boast of, and we at CCP are damn proud of you. I fully believe that in unity we shall liquidate the rash and throw all cosmetics out the window.
WICTORY WILL BE OURS.
All the best,
GM Nova
Senior Game Master
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Quithlar Binay
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.10 02:56:00 -
[62]
I support the idea behind the original post, but I propose going further and not quite as far.
Proposal: Remove trial pilots' ability to speak in public channels.
Let them join see what is going on. Outright exclusion may add to the perception of elitism that is already present.
Proposal: Remove trial pilots' ability to generate Evemail.
I don't like this one, because new pilots sometimes use mail to ask for help. It will at least prevent them (and everyone else) from receiving credit offers through Evemail.
Originally by: fire 59
If people stopped buying isk in the first place, we wouldn't have isk sellers.
Fire 59 sees clearly. It is important to keep in mind the real issue here. It is not trial accounts or trial pilots. It is the tactics of credit sellers (and yes, they exist because pilots purchase credits). Limiting innocent trial pilots should not be the first resort. Unfortunately, we are past the first resort (petitions).
On the subject of channel moderation... it is a little sticky when the proposed moderators are not employees of ISD. Where then is their accountability? The effort to create a decent program for channel moderation would be rather extreme in my view. And as we have seen, it would still not prevent abuse of power. Also, it entails a loss of freedom, a change in the very concept of a public channel. Shall we do away with this part of Eve culture, because of some chat spam? I resist the notion.
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Quithlar Binay
Instructor, Advanced Studies
Federal Navy Academy |
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GM Guard
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Posted - 2007.07.10 09:38:00 -
[63]
We appreciate getting petitions from you guys about ISK spammers as soon as they start their peddling. They are usually banned within minutes of us receiving and verifying the report (within seconds if we have had much coffee). Of course this often leads to us getting fifty petitions about the same guy, 49 of which add little to the end result, but that is not our biggest problem. The most important thing is that we stop these people as soon as possible and spare you guys as much annoyance as we can until we come up with better solutions to the problem.
The only thing for players to keep in mind when reporting these chatty peddlers is that you use the correct petition category so we see the petition right away, and so our other petition queues don't fill up with petitions about long gone ISK peddlers. The exploit category would be an excellent choice when filing a petition about these guys as it is one of the so called 'express categories' and is closely monitored for quick news of the most urgent and vile of exploits.
The most important thing of all, as GM Nova so wisely pointed out, is to ignore their offers and never buy their ISK. Those who buy ISK are directly paying for the continued presence of these spammers in the game.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:06:00 -
[64]
I will return to petitioning then. Thanks for the responses.
328 billion isk..... WOW!!!! Nice to hear what is happening on CCP's front regarding this issue.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:59:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Adaris on 10/07/2007 11:59:59
This is completely true (op). Everytime I go to a trade channel I'm met with at least 1 isk seller. The same can be seen recently in the Rookie channel, which really puts out a bad vibe.
I don't agree with having people watch over these channels, making them moderators to their content etc, or even have a gm sitting in there waiting for the isk selling spammer to make his move...
However, I do agree that we should have a proper medium to petition. I regularly petition these isk sellers once I see them. And I get a gm response 4-8 later... you see my point? (They would have gone by then, damage done.)
So can we have gms monitoring petitions about isk selling as an immeadiate priority? If yuo want isk selling to stop, then support those people ingame who are trying to end it, by using the means you enabled us to.
Edit: I posted before I read nova's response... 
Please Help me, YOU could be next!
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Fenren
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Posted - 2007.07.10 12:17:00 -
[66]
Nice ti see a report from GM's about it...
it might be time for a blog about it. just to state that you are actually doing things and that there is a chanse of getting busted.
Thanks for the good job in the war against isk buyers!!
Originally by: CCP Ginger
Hello!
Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.10 12:45:00 -
[67]
This game has gone to **** *FAST* because if isk buyers, and isk farmers.
I am thrilled that I get an occasional 'keep up the good work' in local when they see I am hunting isk farmers.
But, we get VERY LITTLE HELP.
I see tons of people whining about isk farmers, sellers and we all know that CCP does *nothing* about it.
I estimate there are 10,000 isk farmers in eve on a daily basis at once time.
Would you give up $150,000 a month?
Did not think so....
CCP needs to take our petitions more seriously and wield the ban stick if this is to stop.
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Fenren
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Posted - 2007.07.10 13:06:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Loyal Servant
This game has gone to **** *FAST* because if isk buyers, and isk farmers.
I am thrilled that I get an occasional 'keep up the good work' in local when they see I am hunting isk farmers.
But, we get VERY LITTLE HELP.
I see tons of people whining about isk farmers, sellers and we all know that CCP does *nothing* about it.
I estimate there are 10,000 isk farmers in eve on a daily basis at once time.
Would you give up $150,000 a month?
Did not think so....
CCP needs to take our petitions more seriously and wield the ban stick if this is to stop.
the ban stick will do jack **** to stop them! just as it is easier to get rid of bugs by destroying their food suply and their breeding places, we need to kill of the isk-buyers!
if noone buys isk, the isk-sellers will stop.
if people will buy isk and there is noone around to sell it, someone will start to sell it again
Originally by: CCP Ginger
Hello!
Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.11 07:27:00 -
[69]
It looks like some replied before they saw the developers response.
This issue has caused a lot of grief on boards an in game. I hope that the GM posts are viewed as constructive.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.11 07:39:00 -
[70]
Give trusted traders ability to mute isk selling spammers for 2 hours (enough time to ban the isk seller)
Any trader that abuses this ability to mute legitimate players will get banned for a day. Isk sellers would get muted after their first ad in seconds. Potential for power abuse is minimal
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Natsuki
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.12 08:25:00 -
[71]
Originally by: GM Guard
We appreciate getting petitions from you guys about ISK spammers as soon as they start their peddling. They are usually banned within minutes of us receiving and verifying the report (within seconds if we have had much coffee). Of course this often leads to us getting fifty petitions about the same guy, 49 of which add little to the end result, but that is not our biggest problem. The most important thing is that we stop these people as soon as possible and spare you guys as much annoyance as we can until we come up with better solutions to the problem.
The only thing for players to keep in mind when reporting these chatty peddlers is that you use the correct petition category so we see the petition right away, and so our other petition queues don't fill up with petitions about long gone ISK peddlers. The exploit category would be an excellent choice when filing a petition about these guys as it is one of the so called 'express categories' and is closely monitored for quick news of the most urgent and vile of exploits.
The most important thing of all, as GM Nova so wisely pointed out, is to ignore their offers and never buy their ISK. Those who buy ISK are directly paying for the continued presence of these spammers in the game.
Perhaps make a new petition category specifically for isk sell spammers with the name of the spammer showing clearly on the interface you guys have to make it go a little quicker?
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btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |
Fenren
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Posted - 2007.07.12 08:34:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Natsuki
Perhaps make a new petition category specifically for isk sell spammers with the name of the spammer showing clearly on the interface you guys have to make it go a little quicker?
they still have to make sure that they dont ban any real/legitimate players
Originally by: GM Nova
Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here.
[...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
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Malcanis
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 08:43:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Fenren
Originally by: Natsuki
Perhaps make a new petition category specifically for isk sell spammers with the name of the spammer showing clearly on the interface you guys have to make it go a little quicker?
they still have to make sure that they dont ban any real/legitimate players
Banning a few ISK buyers would be much more effective than any number of sellers. Banned seller accounts are just a business expense; if people know that they can lose their accounts for buying, then that will trash the RMT market.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.12 10:09:00 -
[74]
Originally by: GM Nova
Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here.
If you feel that you have received an inappropriate reply from a GM regarding a petition, please file a complaint and I or those of us concerned with quality control will have a look at it.
In regards to ISK selling spam and how to deal with it. ISK selling spam can be likened to a skin rash. Dealing with only the spammers is akin to constantly applying cosmetics on the rash to hide it instead of doing something about the cause of the rash and finding a cure.
So, while we ban the trial accounts (logged on modified clients) used to spam, we prefer to directly attack the root of the problem, which is ISK buying. In most cases we can trace the sellers through the spammers with IP searches and other goody tools we have. When we catch the seller, we ban him/her and reverse all donations made from his character/s. This means that the ISK buyers will have their bought ISK removed, and they will have paid real money for nothing.
As far as we can tell, this is working. A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK. This we removed from hundreds players which had bought the ISK for real money, and in many cases landed them in a negative balance. We banned well over 100 accounts. (ISK sellers all of them) You will not hear this from the buyers who were cought as they will never admit to buying ISK and thus I am telling you now. Nor will we name and shame anyone.
To achieve final victory over Real Money Trade (ISK buying and the spam that follows) we need YOUR help. We can not do this alone. If you, the players lend us a hand in this by, first of all, not buying ISK and second of all discourage anyone from doing it, we can eventually beat this.
Together we can do this. This community is the most mature one any MMO can boast of, and we at CCP are damn proud of you. I fully believe that in unity we shall liquidate the rash and throw all cosmetics out the window.
WICTORY WILL BE OURS.
All the best,
GM Nova
Senior Game Master
Aye, you'd have to be stupid to risk being banned from buying ISK like this. Just buy some GTC and sell them people. Because that's like fine and everything
Sig stolen from Tekka. Evemail him for details about free sigs. <3 |
Iracham
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.12 10:09:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Fenren
Originally by: Natsuki
Perhaps make a new petition category specifically for isk sell spammers with the name of the spammer showing clearly on the interface you guys have to make it go a little quicker?
they still have to make sure that they dont ban any real/legitimate players
Banning a few ISK buyers would be much more effective than any number of sellers. Banned seller accounts are just a business expense; if people know that they can lose their accounts for buying, then that will trash the RMT market.
Banned accounts don't pay $15/mo, isk sellers will buy another account, real people might not.
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Fenren
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Posted - 2007.07.12 10:16:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Fenren on 12/07/2007 10:16:24
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Fenren
Originally by: Natsuki
Perhaps make a new petition category specifically for isk sell spammers with the name of the spammer showing clearly on the interface you guys have to make it go a little quicker?
they still have to make sure that they dont ban any real/legitimate players
Banning a few ISK buyers would be much more effective than any number of sellers. Banned seller accounts are just a business expense; if people know that they can lose their accounts for buying, then that will trash the RMT market.
go ahead and ban the buyers! I fully support that one. but never rush any form of judgement before the punishment. I rahter see 100 isk buyers/sellers get cleared of their charges than one innocent getting banned
Originally by: GM Nova
Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here.
[...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
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Anew Business
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Posted - 2007.07.12 11:33:00 -
[77]
I just got back in EVE and IÆm sitting here on a Trail account till I get paid on Fri when I get paid and will activate my real accounts. Sorry I just couldnÆt wait to get back in ;p
Personally, I see nothing wrong with keeping new players, or those ôjust on trail accounts specificallyö exclusively in the Rookie Chat Channel or even in both just Rookie and Local channels.
This, as an alternative to having bots all over the place trying to sell isk. Frankly its annoying and we have to deal with his way too much as is.
Its really hard as a community to have discussions, talk to each other, so on and so forth with some guy whoÆs whole job is to sell CCP isk in a game we are trying to spend our Leisure Time In.
Seems all I have done sense I got back is block Isk Sellers in the chat channel. Its usually 1 or 2 every 1 to 5 minutes. Gona need a whole other server soon just too keep up with everyoneÆs ôblock listingsö. IÆm starting to really thing that all these ISK Sellers are actually the CCP development and marketing team.
Then again, we have a Volunteer Program and I guess I have no right to complain if IÆm not volunteering to help out. Maybe the VolunteerÆs should at least be given the ability to get these ISK Salesman out of the game even to a small degree.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.17 04:09:00 -
[78]
well, I thought I was done with this thread, but tonight it is bad again. They come so fast it is near impossible to carry on a conversation without scrolling.
I am currently maxed out at 3 open petitions and cannot report others. I stick by my OP and ask that CCP PLEASE take trial accounts out of the common chat channels.
The ISK spammers aren't ruining the game experience, inaction on this matter is. We have been putting up with this for far to damn long.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Tommy TenKreds
Animal.
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Posted - 2007.07.17 04:48:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Terminus adacai
CCP PLEASE take trial accounts out of the common chat channels.
The ISK spammers aren't ruining the game experience, inaction on this matter is. We have been putting up with this for far to damn long.
I agree completely.
I'm all for the GM's going for the root of the problem, but that is a long war and their actions aren't preventing the endless reams of SPAM in the meantime.
Spammed messages are wrecking the game for people who rely on these channels, now!
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.19 17:28:00 -
[80]
OK, now my isk spammer petitions in exploits (as suggested by a GM in this thread) are going unanswered and left open. I had sent them 3 days ago!!!!! I had to cancel them to make room for a reimbursement petition due to a bugged corp wallet.
Nice work CCP, You really do care......
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.07.19 17:55:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Big Al on 19/07/2007 17:59:03
380b of bought isk would be a lot to eliminate from the game.
380b off the farmers accounts is nothing, just between the high sec mission farming syndicates and 0.0 cloak ravens they easily pull 60-70b a day in bounties (created isk) alone and that's probably on the low end of estimates.
Obviously the efforts are having some effect though, as the price per bil on the spamvertisements continues to fall indicating a large glut in the game. Now we just need to hope they don't give up on farming and start fielding fleets of supercaps.
we ran outta cowbell. |
shady trader
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Posted - 2007.07.19 20:55:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Natsuki
Perhaps make a new petition category specifically for isk sell spammers with the name of the spammer showing clearly on the interface you guys have to make it go a little quicker?
If you have to validate the name a script could run in the back ground linking all the patitions against the seller together so GM's only see one with muliple sets on notes. The the queue is clear of the duplicates and they can reply to all the patitions linked to one account just by reply to the main one.
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shady trader
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Posted - 2007.07.19 20:58:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Terminus adacai
well, I thought I was done with this thread, but tonight it is bad again. They come so fast it is near impossible to carry on a conversation without scrolling.
I am currently maxed out at 3 open petitions and cannot report others. I stick by my OP and ask that CCP PLEASE take trial accounts out of the common chat channels.
The ISK spammers aren't ruining the game experience, inaction on this matter is. We have been putting up with this for far to damn long.
I get round this by adding notes to the open patitions about the aditional sellers.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.19 21:26:00 -
[84]
Now they are into implants and anything else they can get their hands on at LP stores. Write a buy order for Standard implant at .01 isk higher then the highest buyer and it will be filled, regardless of price.... Then look at the characters that are selling them to you.... All gibberish names...
This game is getting ruined by these guys... I have petitioned a few times numerous 1 day old charas all with bs names 1 day old flying back and forth and depositing soil in one station. It is obvious that that are proxy running a courrier mission of some type and gaining unheard of LP's
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.19 21:29:00 -
[85]
Again this all goes back to trial account abuse on a large scale...
I hate to sound whiney, but we have been complaining about macros and bots for far to long to have them still in the game. Now there is a market bot that will monitor items and under/over cut by .01 isk whenever you write a better buy order or lower sell order.
That thread is in market discussions....
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Iwillnotbestoppedeve
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:19:00 -
[86]
Hiya GM Nova I had an issue this weekend with GSilver putting that aside he placee a perman ban on my account and as for checking my log files which took me quite a while to go through I noticed nothing worth banning me over except me stating I wasnt a big fan of the rookie chat admin and they did not like me I did not like most of them Now ask your self this as a eve player who like you and me pays a mmonthly subscription and which I must state I renewed my account 24 hours earliar to the ban.
Since then I have had several Alts banned from voicing my issue over your so called helpful petition system which just loves to ban me.
Ive been playing this game since the start of eve even since B4 the BOBs entered pubity and yes have a titan yayayayayadididididi but the way this matter has been handled is wrong.
For the past 3.5 years ive devoted 8 hours a day to eve if I could marry my pc i would just to play eve all the time, Ive been to severel Eve Fests and I have already booked there for this years 1 aswell.
Now look it at my point of view Im really hoping right now that that admin GSilver reads this message and hope hes coming to EVE FEST 2007 so we can discuss how he should of handled it.
As just serving my country and just coming back from IRAQ I can normally tolerate authority however as your eve support team and also the info mail team has not responded to my BAN here the log number so Im not mentioning account names and the 2 phone calls I made earliar to day and your male receptionist who was as helpful as an unloaded rifle with the enemy copming at ya..............
I was hoping with your So called High position within the ranks of CCP that you can help me on this matter my ban ID is : [20070720-729855-0EA92F87]
Thx Mr GM NOVA
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Dragon Eddie
HEVEAN'S GATE HELL'S KITCHEN
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:34:00 -
[87]
If selling isk is easy under CCP's nose..haha. Then CCP has no care for the deteriorating game integrity that this kind of spamming is causing. LogiCcal to realize why old civilizations, concepts and online games die out...APATHY.
iF YOU BUY ISK, THE COMPANY MAY AQUITRE YOUR PASSWORD FROM YOU AND RECLAIM THE ISK THEY SOLD YOU AND DO DAMAGE TO YOUR SETUP.
Myspace are currently being accused of being bribed by spammers, though they go on about stopping them, they do very little about it
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F9OOEX
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:54:00 -
[88]
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:57:00 -
[89]
Edited by: F90OEX on 23/07/2007 15:58:22
CCP even I'm totally fed up about the ISK spamming, stop allowing trial accounts into the trade channels. 40 lines of ISK spamming in the ship channel this morning did for me. Enough is enough ..
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.23 16:00:00 -
[90]
The worst thing about this is you can only fill out 2 reports at a time :p
We have never, nor will we ever, hack, ddos, or otherwise use OUT OF GAME means to gain ANY advantage.- Dianabolic
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Divideby0
Gallente
Amalgamated Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.23 20:39:00 -
[91]
380 billion!! nice! I'm glad CCP is on top of this.
Can we get a sticky on how to properly petition ISK sellers?
I'm sure you're get a lot more players helping out if they knew about the express petition option.
Who is the bigger carebear: The miner who braves lowsec on his own, or the "PvPer" who attacks an unarmed ship? |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.23 23:09:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Divideby0
380 billion!! nice! I'm glad CCP is on top of this.
Can we get a sticky on how to properly petition ISK sellers?
I'm sure you're get a lot more players helping out if they knew about the express petition option.
or just more useless petitions - they only need to see 1 petition for a guy and to look into it
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Driven
Caldari
Mass Produced
Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2007.07.24 00:00:00 -
[93]
About a month or so ago I kept track of the pesky ISK sellers in the blueprint channel and filed about 17 petitions in that evening alone. The GMs were very responsive, but the flood of ISK sellers is just so far out of control I would have and could have literally spent my entire time logged on to EVE simply filing petitions - not exactly fun.
Here is also a log of the ISK spamming that evening in the blueprint channel copied from a previous post of mine. Even more fun.
[00:46:46] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:46:56] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:47:39] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:07] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:17] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:29] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:38] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:21] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:49] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:51:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:10] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:20] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:31] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:52] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:44] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:13] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
For those of you counting thats 23 ISK sellers postings in 10 minutes. Trial account-based ISK Seller Spamming in trade channels is COMPLETELY out of control.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.24 01:50:00 -
[94]
I, along with many other people, have stopped using the blueprints channel because there's too much spam.
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Doodar
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.24 02:50:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Mari Onette
Edited by: Mari Onette on 09/07/2007 21:49:20
all you people whining about how CCP should do something should start filing harassment petitions for isk spammers.
There are over 100 people in a trade channel at any one time. if 25 of you petition each and every spammer that enters the channel, don't you think it will be dealt with quickly? The fact of the matter is that CCP cannot monitor all channels all the time.
IT IS YOUR DUTY AS A POD PILOT TO PETITION SPAMMERS WHO ARE SELLING ISK. GM'S ARE NOT OMNIPRESENT AND IF THEY ARE TO DO THE JOB YOU WANT THEM TO, YOU MUST BE THEIR EYES AND EARS.
You have quite possibly made the stupidest comment in this thread. The players who pay for this game have absolutely no obligation to report ISK spammers, THAT IS WHAT CCP IS PAID TO DO. We have paid CCP to give us the best possible service, which is currently plagued by cheaters. Until CCP starts paying ME, I should not have to be inconvenianced by reporting people who are violating THEIR EULA.
It is also very disappointing that there are very compelling solutions in this thread yet CCP isn't showing the spine to act on them. It should not fall to the player base to improve their game. |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 04:17:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Jennai
I, along with many other people, have stopped using the blueprints channel because there's too much spam.
BINGO!!!!!! I used to hang out and chat/sell/buy in the BP channel all the time religiously. I haven't been much because of the damn isk spamming.
It has gotten terrible. And the fact that I am limited to the number of open petitions, some that are under Exploits that go unanswered for days, SCREW IT.
All they have to do is keep trial accounts out of the Trade channels and problem of isk spamming in chat is 80% beaten. NPC corp chat would be the next hurdle to tackle.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.26 09:14:00 -
[97]
MUCH needed bump
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Darwinia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.26 09:21:00 -
[98]
I would like to add that I hang in the Help and Missions channel mostly. The first is kept clean by ISD and the occasional GM, while the second is as bad as the Trade channel.
I don't blame CCP for not policing all the public channels... they are doing what they can, I'm sure. I do blame CCP for not developing better banning tools. Give moderators the ability to set up auto ban by content, anti spamming tools etc. Stuff that already exists in other games and is not that hard to program, really
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Riffler
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Posted - 2007.07.26 11:52:00 -
[99]
Quote:
Petitioning is not the way to go, just trust me on this. It creates a heavy backlog of petitions and more work for the GM's.
Dealing with petitions costs CCP money. Problems that costs CCP money are the ones that they fix fastest. Petition-spam every time an ISK seller pops up, and CCP will be forced to find a better way of stopping them.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.07.26 12:24:00 -
[100]
I'd love to have a RED underlayed option when right clicking a name....*Block, Ban and Report ISK SPammer to the GMs*
Then some GM looks at the evidence and DELETES the damn account and character!!!
YES!!! DELETE!!!
Clean the Database please! :/
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.07.26 12:30:00 -
[101]
just block.........
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.26 13:02:00 -
[102]
Originally by: GM Nova
Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here.
A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK. This we removed from hundreds players which had bought the ISK for real money, and in many cases landed them in a negative balance. We banned well over 100 accounts.
OH WOW!
100 WHOLE accounts?
380 Billion isk?
IM TOTALLY SHOCKED OMG #@$^%#$^&%$!@#$!
That is peanuts, try again.
isk sellers have MUCH more isk than that.
100 whole sellers and buyers?
We would not have 5,000-10,000 isk farmers online farming isk if CCP used it's ban stick more often.
100 accounts of buyers and sellers is like, a bug landing on my windshield.
Try hitting me with a friggin bowling ball.
Then we can talk.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.31 07:05:00 -
[103]
If your GM's truly wish to eradicate these vermin that have no regard for the game's EULA, why do leave petitions open? I generally get a good response at first, then after 10-15 minutes of reporting new spammer's names, I get no more responses and my petitions lock up.
Get these trial accounts out of trade channels!!!!!!
Why do you continue to let them ruin your game? One has to begin to wonder what other motives exist......
The BP channel has become useless... as i am sure have others...
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w0rmy
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.31 07:51:00 -
[104]
Edited by: w0rmy on 31/07/2007 07:51:31
Originally by: GM Nova
Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here.
If you feel that you have received an inappropriate reply from a GM regarding a petition, please file a complaint and I or those of us concerned with quality control will have a look at it.
In regards to ISK selling spam and how to deal with it. ISK selling spam can be likened to a skin rash. Dealing with only the spammers is akin to constantly applying cosmetics on the rash to hide it instead of doing something about the cause of the rash and finding a cure.
So, while we ban the trial accounts (logged on modified clients) used to spam, we prefer to directly attack the root of the problem, which is ISK buying. In most cases we can trace the sellers through the spammers with IP searches and other goody tools we have. When we catch the seller, we ban him/her and reverse all donations made from his character/s. This means that the ISK buyers will have their bought ISK removed, and they will have paid real money for nothing.
As far as we can tell, this is working. A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK. This we removed from hundreds players which had bought the ISK for real money, and in many cases landed them in a negative balance. We banned well over 100 accounts. (ISK sellers all of them) You will not hear this from the buyers who were cought as they will never admit to buying ISK and thus I am telling you now. Nor will we name and shame anyone.
To achieve final victory over Real Money Trade (ISK buying and the spam that follows) we need YOUR help. We can not do this alone. If you, the players lend us a hand in this by, first of all, not buying ISK and second of all discourage anyone from doing it, we can eventually beat this.
Together we can do this. This community is the most mature one any MMO can boast of, and we at CCP are damn proud of you. I fully believe that in unity we shall liquidate the rash and throw all cosmetics out the window.
WICTORY WILL BE OURS.
All the best,
GM Nova
Senior Game Master
Thats lovely...
Cept in the meantime, we are still getting our chat channels spammed! And as you can see by peoples posts, your banning of these people is having no effect on what this thread is about...
The spam in public channels.
To achieve final victory over Chat Spam we need YOUR help. We can not do this alone. If you, the GM's lend us a hand in this by, first of all, monitoring these channels and second of all banning anyone from doing it, we can eventually beat this.
Trial accounts do NOT need access to trade channels. End of story.
Contact your pals at CCP and get them to remove trial accounts ability to use these channels and the problem will be fixed.
VICTORY CAN BE OURS.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic
I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Jastor Morbix
Consortium
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Posted - 2007.07.31 07:52:00 -
[105]
To be honest, Im totally confused. I started petitioning the isk sellers and getting great responses. Usually something making it sound like I was actually helping the GMs. But.... after a few days of petitioning 3-6 isk sellers a night, my petitions started getting left "In action". By doing this, I cant delete them or file a new one. Im silenced until the GM decides to close the petition. This makes it seem like Im the annoyance, not the spammer.
I think the best solution is something like the ISD volunteers. Someone who volunteers their time to make eve better by blocking spammers temporarily until a GM has time to ban them. This would eliminate the 50 petitions on the same spammer, AND be faster.
Right click block is not the answer. That gives you about 1 minute of peace before they change names. And how long is it until the block lists get so long that it starts crashing eve? Not to mention all of the junk accounts clogging the eve databases.
I am totally frustrated by the spam, but Im not going to make idle threats about quitting the game, Im way too addicted. Maybe thats what CCP is relying on.
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Check our IN GAME store
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Sentry Skills
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Posted - 2007.07.31 08:12:00 -
[106]
/signed
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:09:00 -
[107]
After hanging out a few hours in the BP channel tonight, I am out of petitions. I petitioned under the rules/exploit as advised by a GM earlier, as it was supposedly getting the most attention.
At first, i got quick responses and was able to petition new toon names that spammed isk sales, all less then one day old. Eventually, the GM responses stopped, leaving me unable to report new instances.
Trial accounts are not able to train haulers and several other skills to prevent trial account abuse by legitimate players. Why are players that are less then 1 day old allowed to peddle isk in trade channels?
I understand that buyers of isk are the problem. But their catalyst is isk spammers. If CCP was to cut off their access to an audience, wouldn't the sellers suffer?
Since we began petitioning them so heavily, the number of spammers has dropped in the BP channel, but they still show up, all less then one day old.
Why does a character with less then 24 hours in game need access to trade channels? Maybe i am just being naive and am missing something.
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Gizzler
Minmatar
Red Star Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:56:00 -
[108]
I also petition them when spotted. And as many others, the GM rsponse very quikly but after some 3 or 4 petitions, they just leave it open making it impossible for you to petition anything else.
So... suddenly I became the spammer
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BPO Polymerase
Minmatar
Babes with brains
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Posted - 2007.07.31 14:54:00 -
[109]
Keeping one day old chars out of it would help for a while, until they realize they just have to wait 7 days before they use the char to sell with.
any way to implement a filter that sorts out the most frequent URLs posted?
/signed
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Clean
Acceptable Losses
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Posted - 2007.07.31 15:07:00 -
[110]
To bad those solutions will take till the next year
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Jastor Morbix
Consortium
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Posted - 2007.07.31 18:13:00 -
[111]
Apparently now Im limited to ONE open petition.
I guess its easier to silence paying customers than isk sellers.
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Need Stuff? Kewl! We Got Stuff!
Check our IN GAME store
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WGD118
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Posted - 2007.07.31 19:52:00 -
[112]
I don't think it would be that hard for ccp to install a filter that stops isk sellers with known urls from being posted in chat channels.
Yes it would have to be update now and then with new urls but that should be much easier for the GMs then loads of petitions. The moment an isk seller gets through with a new url a petition can be sent the GM and he/she can add it to the filter.
Otherwise I agree with the people above me if ccp does not want to install a filter then stop trial accounts from posting in trade channels. Correct me if I am wrong but a trial account can't use contracts anyways can they?
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.31 20:38:00 -
[113]
Originally by: WGD118
Otherwise I agree with the people above me if ccp does not want to install a filter then stop trial accounts from posting in trade channels. Correct me if I am wrong but a trial account can't use contracts anyways can they?
the trials don't do anything except join all the public channels and spam links until they get banned. the actual isk farming and laundering seems to be done mostly on paid accounts.
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.31 22:33:00 -
[114]
I don't hang out in these channels, so I can't say what goes on in there. However, an idea that would at least allow you to do your business w/o interruption would be to create a new trade channel that was moderated. IIRC, it's possible to block all NPC corps from it, which logically would eliminate most of the spam. Just have about 10-20 trusty channel moderators to take care of the annoyances that filter through and that should do it.
OFC, does nothing to stop the farmer brigade overall, but at least you can hold a conversation without being interrupted.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.02 10:13:00 -
[115]
Dear GM Nova,
As you asked on page 3 of this thread, I have been petitioning isk spammers. I have to tell you, either your fellow GM's could care less about isk spamming petitions or you guys are not communicating priorities.
I just deleted 2 open partitions in rules/exploits (as requested) because they were open for more then 48 hours and i needed to petition a character seller in a trade channel.
I am going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that these petitions are being left open for a reason.... to block additional petitions on other spammer characters because isk macros and spammers are not your top priority.
If macro accounts and their cohorts are not a priority, one has to second guess why not. Could it be that at any given time, 30-50% of your active pilots are macro miners and mission runners? That macro miners generate income for CCP with paid accounts numbering in the thousands?
Your inaction on this will ruin your game. Enjoy your Yen while you can get it. We as active playing members have been asking for action on this for a long time and your actions are half hearted and meant to appease us, not resolve the issue.
Mineral prices continue to spiral down as the number of macro miners and their spammers increase. Soon you will have a macro:player ratio of 3:1 if you do not take serious, immediate action. The longer this is allowed to continue, the more players that will become disenfranchised and leave the game, or go inactive until it is remedied.
As suggested earlier, if you cut off the advertising in game for isk sales, you cut off their ability to mine and sell minerals/isk. This will reduce their incentive to infect this game. This is one of the BEST MMO's I have ever played, but it is going down the toilet quickly.
Our dead end system used to have 7-8 pilots at any given time about a year ago. Now, it has about 16-20, mostly gibberish names that eat away at belts 23/7 and are members of the same 2-3 NPC corps. They mine non stop 7 days a week.
Your GTC program allows these "entrepreneurs" to avoid monetary costs to farm and mission at no currency costs to them. Large alliances and corps that are willing to spend real currency to further their game play fuel these macro accounts. It is a vicious cycle that will feed upon itself until you have lost your core players.
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:09:00 -
[116]
Originally by: GM Nova
So, while we ban the trial accounts (logged on modified clients) used to spam, we prefer to directly attack the root of the problem, which is ISK buying. In most cases we can trace the sellers through the spammers with IP searches and other goody tools we have. When we catch the seller, we ban him/her and reverse all donations made from his character/s. This means that the ISK buyers will have their bought ISK removed, and they will have paid real money for nothing.
On paper this looks like a good idea, and it's better than nothing. But look at the complaint here. The primary complaint in this thread is not about the buying / selling of ISK. It is about the ISK-selling spam showing up in trade channels and eve-mail. While your efforts may help the root of the problem, the symptoms actually are getting worse. As you remove ISK buyers from the game, ISK sellers will only spam that much more to make up for the drop in sales. We need a way to stop the spam, as that is the most visible (and most annoying) problem to the average EVE player. Below is a copy and paste from a thread I made the other day. It was locked as a duplicate subject (sorry about that), so let me repost it below. It contains what I feel to be a thorough analysis of the problem and a couple of effective solutions.
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:10:00 -
[117]
REPOST from my other thread
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The problem, it seems, is getting worse. Hanging out in the any of the trade or recruitment chat channels in-game invariably involves receiving at least one ISK spam every 5 minutes or so, sometimes more. Indeed, the ISK spammers will harvest your name from the member list and send you eve-mails too. Now I'm fully aware of the existence of the "block" button and I know how to use CSPA, but those are only band-aids. Petitioning them after the fact is just as useless. They'll just randomly generate a new spambot. As long as the ISK spammers get their message out to a handful of buyers, they will continue to spam.
The solution, therefore, is to stop them BEFORE they spam. How? Don't give them the opportunity. Most (if not all) ISK spammers use trial accounts. They do this because trial accounts are free. Indeed if they had to pay $14.95 for every single spambot they created, they'd quickly go out of business. And that's the key to stopping them. We can't get rid of trial accounts. I myself was seduced into subscribing by playing on a trial account. What we CAN do is limit where the trial accounts can communicate. We already limit them as to what ships they can train, so why not go one step further?
Trial account members currently are able to send eve-mails to pretty much anybody they want. They can also communicate in nearly every public chat channel. What's the point of that? What would a 4 day old trial member need to talk about in the Blueprints trade channel, for example? As it stands, rookie members (younger than 30 days) have access to a rookie channel that ONLY they have access to. Do something similar with trial members. Create a "Trial Member Only" channel and ban them from local chat, public chat, and from sending evemails. Permit trial members to communicate ONLY in the rookie channel and in the new Trial Member channel. Similar to the rookie channel, do not allow paid members to enter the Trial Member channel.
The end result is that the ISK spam problem is eliminated. Paid members won't have to deal with mass abuse of trial accounts if the trial accounts are all effectively muted. Legitimate trial members can still play the game and decide if they want to sell their soul to CCP. They can still communicate in the Rookie help channel to get tips and info from ISD volunteers, and they can still communicate with each other in the Trial Account channel. ISK spambot operators will find that they're only spamming each other, or people who aren't even sure they're going to like the game...let alone buy ISK for it.
It's a win - win - win situation. I urge CCP to implement this idea (or something similar). Another idea could be to create a filter that you can enable for Evemail and chat. This filter will prevent you from seeing anything mailed or posted by a non-paid member. That too, would effectively eliminate spam for anybody who chose to enable the filter. In either case, I'm tired of seeing:
Quote:"hjskfhdjh78 > $58.98/1000 M ISK, $6.28/100 M ISK, http://www.homosexual-isk-selling-website.com, instant delivery with live chat support 24/7"
when I'm looking for blueprint sales, or browsing the recruitment channel for some fresh vict...er...recruits. Get rid of the ISK spammers once and for all. Please?
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:26:00 -
[118]
CCP has never done anything to prove they ban ISK sellers. They only punish buyers. Bought 1000mil? Bam, negative ISK balance. Better grind and/or buy more.
Conspiracy sure.. but has anyone wondered why they haven't been able to impliment some kind of filter to prevent the eve mails which are always the same, or the text spam in trade channels which is again, always the same?
CCP, prove to me you don't tolerate ISK selling (business partners or otherwise) by implementing a few simple filters. Didn't think so.
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.03 16:59:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Borgholio on 03/08/2007 17:00:04
Bumped. This should be on the first page until we get an update on if CCP is going to take any additional steps to curb the spam.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:04:00 -
[120]
Official response is on page 3 of this thread.
I have quit petitioning isk spammers because my petitions stay open for days now, even though they are sent under the express category. My guess is GM's are just as tired of these isk sellers as we are.
Keep trial accounts out of trade channels....
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.05 10:15:00 -
[121]
Bumped again. Want to keep this on the first page until we get word that CCP is going to take additional steps to reduce the spam, since simply banning the spammers obviously isn't working.
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benzss
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:50:00 -
[122]
just block all south-east asian IP addresses
problem solved
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NightmareX
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.05 12:08:00 -
[123]
I know this is about the trade channels. But what will happen if the trial accounts are not allowed to join the trade channels?, yes they will spam the the hell out of the channels like Norwegian, Swedish, Denmark etc.
There is spammage of this almost every day in the Norwegian channel, and it's getting annoying. And how much do you think those channels will be spammed when the isk sellers are banned from the trade channels?
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Esk Esme
Caldari
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.08.05 12:29:00 -
[124]
ppl who live in 0.0 will c the isk farmer alot
a single ratter raven in a back water 0.0 system ratting 23/7
i know this as i hunt them in the area space i live hlp hunt these vermine
the empire macro miner make noob corp 3 months only then progresion to Advanced noob corp which can b war dec
problem solved
any more my kind out there contact me we can hunt these isk farming ratter's share knowladge of they corp's and locaction my adress book is litraly full with these vermine and i hunt them when ever i get the chance
NERFE THE EMPIRE CARBARE 50% REDUCTION TO EXHUMA'S IN EMP
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.05 12:44:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Le Skunk
I dont give to ****s about isk spamming in channel tbh.
RIGHT CLICK - BLOCK
If everyone did this immediatly and without comment or waving their hands in the air and yelping there would be no problem.
However, CCP seem to be doding their usual fingers in ear technique which is distressing.
SKUNK
hi ya skunky wunky bunny bunny lol....
while this is a good idea for one or two peeps. if I kept adding isk spammers to my block list it would make for a great way to lag my client at login. sorta like having many many ppl on my buddies list.
personally i think ccp should only allow trials to post in corp/local/alliance only.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.05 12:46:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Esk Esme
any more my kind out there contact me
i.e.
1. Must break every English rule in the book every time you type so we can speak broken English to confuse our enemies.
2. Has never won a PvP battle or gotten a kill mail unless it is from a Retriever or Hauler.
3. Officer positions available for people who have killed a Hulk.
On a side note...I hope you are "one of a kind". 
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.05 13:02:00 -
[127]
Originally by: benzss
just block all south-east asian IP addresses
problem solved
Sure, there goes australia :P
Personally, I'm all for the brutal solution to these things in that you must be a non-trial account to use anything other than local, corp, rookie chat and private chats/private rooms. Thats more than enough for a rookie to get off his feet,, i didnt even know about other public channels till i was 3 months old.
I don't care if a EULA isn't upheld in a court,,, nobody goes to court for high tackles in a game of AFL, they just get suspended/banned from the game (depending on the severity). CCP are the "umpires" of EVE, and ISK-sellers are breaching the rules laid down by them, legally binding or not.
And no, I don't give a damn for the "poor person" who works at a 'games sweatshop' to earn a bit of scrap to survive by farming isk. Honestly, if you are one of these people, get away from the computer, learn some real skills and get a real job, or go play Second Life or something where that sorta stuff is actually how you're supposed to play the game.
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.06 02:13:00 -
[128]
Bumped again. Had to petition several more spammers today. CCP, can we get an update please?
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Sgt Blade
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.06 02:21:00 -
[129]
tbh even though isk spammers are bad banning trail accounts from public channels is also bad... it jsut dosnt give the noobs a feel of what they can do in eve. i mean trial accounts have been changed (for the good yes to counter macro miners etc etc ) BUT if it carrys on like this you might aswell not let them actually paly the game and instead just show them screenshots and a "tour" of the game. this is not how they should try to get more people playing its jsut silly
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Sgt Blade
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.06 02:22:00 -
[130]
Originally by: benzss
just block all south-east asian IP addresses
problem solved
im taking that as a racist comment cuase not ALL isk sellers are asian.
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Mordru Maligante
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:04:00 -
[131]
With all of the money CCP is making, is it too expensive to have a full time person available to instantly track and terminate these spammers? All we need is a direct reporting command like /iskseller to report to the employee. Copy the post when reporting. Action can be taken immediately and problem is solved/account terminated.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:05:00 -
[132]
easier solution, make a channel just for the isk sellers! (then everyone actually use it for trade)
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:06:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Mordru Maligante
With all of the money CCP is making, is it too expensive to have a full time person available to instantly track and terminate these spammers? All we need is a direct reporting command like /iskseller to report to the employee. Copy the post when reporting. Action can be taken immediately and problem is solved/account terminated.
As convenient as that would be, it's still a REACTION. We need to prevent the spammers from even getting the spew out. At the very least, a filter we can enable to block all communications from trial members only.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:34:00 -
[134]
We need moderators.
Either let well-known players volunteer to become moderators, or force Help channel mods to sit in trade channels as well.
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Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:36:00 -
[135]
since i think it's a bug... i just did a bug report for that...
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:43:00 -
[136]
Quote:
im taking that as a racist comment cuase not ALL isk sellers are asian.
And not all south-east-asian countries are inhabited by asians. Sorry, but Geography 101 tells me that at least Australia and New Zealand are South-East Asian, so be careful when you try and champion the anti-racism flag.
Yeah, it's me being anal, but it's like if i suggested blocking all Northern-American IP addresses and responding with that being a racist comment because "Not all isk sellers are American",, and completely forgetting that Canada is part of that too.
But that's off topic
Yeah, a reaction to this problem wont work, prevention is whats needed. CCP bans more accounts, isk farmers make more accounts. I'm all for a comms filter for trial accounts, it at least localises the problem so that instead of traipsing round the entire galaxy, CCP only has to monitor Rookie, noobcorps and Jita local :P
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Nietor
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Posted - 2007.08.06 05:21:00 -
[137]
how about requiring trial accounts to use a valid credit card for verification. If said people were abusing the rules, block that person (cc number) from creating any new trial accounts, or perm accounts. I know, not fair to those with bad credit, no credit or under age, but a suggestion none-the-less. I do know that credit cards are fairly easy to get, but getting a new one does affect your credit score. Might take a while, but eventually things would balance out.
Perhaps allow people in the no/bad credit situation to verify the account via an unblocked phone number. IE: dial a toll free number, which would be equipped with caller id, they enter the character name, or some account code generated by email. Since its caller id, most pay phones wouldn't work. As far as i know, *82 doesn't work from a pay phone. If it does, perhaps a deal with the phone companies with a list of the pay phone numbers to be automatically denied.
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:41:00 -
[138]
First page! Come on Devs...I'll give you a cookie if you come back to this thread...
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.07 02:19:00 -
[139]
Please keep this thread on topic and do not mention specific regions as causing the trouble. Also petition responses should be kept out of here as well. We want this thread to survive until something is done.
To the poster that stated that taking trial accounts out of trade channels would not be fair and would limit their ability to get a feel for the game, we also have certain skills that trials cannot train to prevent trial abuse.
Isk spammers using trial accounts as throw away spam accounts are abuse. Removing this will not hinder a true trial account, as the tutorial and missions will keep them plenty busy for the first 14 days.
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sov68n
Caldari
Deep Space Contingent
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.07 03:31:00 -
[140]
Edited by: sov68n on 07/08/2007 03:31:48
ISK Spammers, Solution: Simply remove trial account access to unmoderated channels. they can chat with other noobs under ISD's watchful eye. That will stop the ISK spam without removing the noob's ability to chat with other EVE players.
ISK Sellers, Solution: Trace the IP of the spamming trial and ban all accounts linked to that IP. Problem solved.
ISK Buyers: seems this is all CCP is concerned with stopping. killing the sellers and the spammers helps alot as well you know....
However, CCP refuses to act on this issue. They have GMs post bullsh*t responses as a way to guide us away from CCP's indecisiveness. They're letting their own game go to hell in a handbasket.
Ulterior motives anyone?
edit: spelling
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.08 08:46:00 -
[141]
Bump! Still waiting!
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ry ry
StateCorp
The State
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Posted - 2007.08.08 10:01:00 -
[142]
i see a lot less isk seller spam than i do threads whinging about it.
go figure.
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Wadaya
Caldari
Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.08 10:10:00 -
[143]
With respect to GM Nova's post about removing the bought Isk once they find the sellers account, that doesn't really do anything. The ISK sellers are still getting their money, even though you remove it from the buyers. So they are still making money off this, so ofcourse they will keep spamming channels with ads.
Wad
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.08 10:14:00 -
[144]
Instead of banning trial accounts from public channels, just set them to read only access. A legitimate trial user can still do a private convo with someone advertising a juicy BPC or similar in the blueprint channel.
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
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Posted - 2007.08.08 10:37:00 -
[145]
they arent just in the trade channels, they make forum topic every few hours as well......
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! wtf!
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.08 11:32:00 -
[146]
Look CCP this just isnt funny anymore! Spam in trade channels spam in inbox spam in Eve-radio channel SPAM SPAM SPAM.
I don't bother petitioning any more its a waste of time tbh YES I SAID WASTE OF MY DAMN GAMING TIME I DONT PAY CCP TO WRITE PETITIONS ALL DAY!!
I also sign this petition to ban trial accounts from ALL trade channels if some people consider this an infringement on noobie rights (Um wtf is a trial account doing in these channels anyways he cant afford anything there anyways)
Then at least give us the option to block:
1. Mails from all trial accounts.
2. Chat from all trial accounts.
Since most of us (I assume) don't have that many (if any) friends on trial accounts it shouldnt bother us and if u add them to ur adress book then this takes priority over the block all Trial setting and u can see chat from ur noob corp mate.
Please give this idea some thaught and dont come with the standerd "well if you didn't buy isk they wouldnt spam" bullpoo. It is a problem ccp why else would we have a 5 page complaint thread with some very good ideas???
/me signed by sinder
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Malcanis
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.08 11:48:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Savvon
Originally by: Esk Esme
any more my kind out there contact me
i.e.
1. Must break every English rule in the book every time you type so we can speak broken English to confuse our enemies.
2. Has never won a PvP battle or gotten a kill mail unless it is from a Retriever or Hauler.
3. Officer positions available for people who have killed a Hulk.
On a side note...I hope you are "one of a kind".
My word, aren't you the big man mocking a dyslexic? What else do you do for fun? Slash wheelchair tyres?
Point 2 is particularly laughable for those of us who know Esk.
Anyway, putting aside your failure to produce any kind of counterpoint other than an ad hominem attack, surely as a miner - assuming you are actually a player miner and not someone who runs a few macro accounts - surely you'd be all in favour of persecuting farmers as a way of removing competition...?
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Tenacious Kitty
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Posted - 2007.08.08 11:56:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
get away from the computer, learn some real skills and get a real job
a rare moment of Irony from an EVE player there
TK
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.09 17:41:00 -
[149]
Bumped again. Anything for us, CCP?
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.10 17:34:00 -
[150]
Bumped yet again. My spidey sense is telling me this will be another of those threads that is ignored until it gets locked by a mod for "running it's course".
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 04:33:00 -
[151]
well, much time later and nothing done by CCP. I am done petitioning your EULA breakers. To the one that said this was a whine thread, try using the damn trade channels and then add your .01 isk.....
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Duncan Bannatyne
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.08.21 10:05:00 -
[152]
Solution that we, the players can do to force CCP to actually do something about this matter.
Everytime you see an isk seller simply petition it.
CCP's bucket will grow ever larger with the increased petitions to the point there customer services team realise that this annoyance is unneeded and actually do soemthing about it.
Duncan Bannatyne
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Raife Zetter
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Posted - 2007.10.29 14:19:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Gizzler
I also petition them when spotted. And as many others, the GM rsponse very quikly but after some 3 or 4 petitions, they just leave it open making it impossible for you to petition anything else.
So... suddenly I became the spammer
I have had success by, when recieving the final response from a petition, I reply saying 'thankyou, you can close this petition now. I'm happy it has been dealt with' ..
and the petitions are closed...
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