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Evil Bonzi Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.07.09 04:55:00 - [31] Hmm which corp/alliance? I might be able to hook you up with merc goods evacuation ;)
Dizeezer Velar Caldari Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.07.09 05:03:00 - [32] Originally by: Evil Bonzi Hmm which corp/alliance? I might be able to hook you up with merc goods evacuation ;) it was atomic heroes, oss alliance. JQV constellation. You know where it is, and we need targets. See you soon?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.09 05:10:00 - [33] Originally by: cal nereus Someone actually accused me of being a dev, apparently because of the way I talk in game. I don't think they were really serious, but since I began answering a huge number of questions asked in rookie help and corp chat when I was only a few weeks old, I suppose I fall under the category of potential spies too. :-/ Sad, that is. Oh well, hopefully I have the capacity to prove I'm not too smart. Lol.. I was accused of being both a Bob alt and a Dev when I poo pooed all the metagamers schizophrenic tinfoil hat rantings about the 'T20' incident.. It was amusing to say the least.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.09 05:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: cal nereus Someone actually accused me of being a dev, apparently because of the way I talk in game. I don't think they were really serious, but since I began answering a huge number of questions asked in rookie help and corp chat when I was only a few weeks old, I suppose I fall under the category of potential spies too. :-/ Sad, that is. Oh well, hopefully I have the capacity to prove I'm not too smart. Lol.. I was accused of being both a Bob alt and a Dev when I poo pooed all the metagamers schizophrenic tinfoil hat rantings about the 'T20' incident.. It was amusing to say the least.. I've been accused if being a BoB alt multiple times...it's pretty entertaining, lol. If I were, maybe I wouldn't be so damn poor. LAG IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.09 05:46:00 - [35] You are not the first one. I actually checked first, if this is a necro from 1 or 2 years ago. Same story. Argued with the CEO/recruiter about some thing: 'You know too much, access denied !' Well, I wouldn't argue too much anyway on the first 'date'. Some CEOs might not like that.
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.09 06:55:00 - [36] Originally by: The RepoMan Edited by: The RepoMan on 09/07/2007 03:56:26 Tbh that's a pretty sound security screening, 99% of the eve population seems to be borderline ********, so when you actually meet someone remotely competent it pays to be quite suspicious. That's absurd; the consequence of it is that your corporation progressively fills up with incompetents. Which does have one benefit, I suppose: you won't be worth the effort of spying on Talented newbies are one of the best opportunities a corp has for building up for the long term. Internal security is definitely important, there's no shortage of spies in EVE. But you have to measure your internal security measures against the price you pay for them, and screening out 'smart people who study the game' is paying a high price for a very dubious benefit. Recruitment FAQ
Polonium 210	Posted - 2007.07.09 07:04:00 - [37] BTW serial posting of such posts is exactly what intelligence service of alliance would do if the wanted to implant a spy into a sertain other alliance.
Zakgram Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.07.09 10:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Polonium 210 BTW serial posting of such posts is exactly what intelligence service of alliance would do if the wanted to implant a spy into a sertain other alliance. Hahahahahaha... our quest for universe domination has been spotted.
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Toria Nynys Most awesome. Find an intelligent, quicker than average player for your corp, recruit them and then... get rid of them. Sounds like a winner of a corp to me. Make sure you've got nothing but lol-punctuating Forrest Gumps manning the guns, and all will be good with the world. Clue bus: your 'screening' weeds out only exceptional candidates and really, really bad spies who were no danger anyway. If someone is taking you seriously enough to infest your ranks with spies -- well, they're probably laughing their buns right off ATM. This got me thinking... maybe, just maybe, the guy that booted the OP actuall IS a bob alt who tries to avoid that too intelligent players end up with their enemies....
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:40:00 - [40] A useful skill in EVE and life is to smile and nod as someone explains something utterly incorrectly to you. If they were the sort of person who was open to correction by someone else, they probably wouldn't be getting it wrong. A even more useful skill, in EVE and life, is to always be open to the idea that they might be right even if you think they are wrong, and to confirm it for yourself. If you aren't the sort of person who is open to correction by someone else, you'll be the same as the person in question. - sig removed due to inappropriate content, email us for more information - Deckard ([email protected])
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:10:00 - [41] Welcome to the club I didn't get booted, though, but people became very suspicious because I wasn't asking how to mine, but tried to calculate how useful Ospreys with remote sensor boosters and shield transfers would be in gangs (I also just moved to 0.0 at the time that happened, so it seemingly was not 'usual' for new players :). I was around 2 months old and had 200mil in wallet, which was 'unusual' for character of my age. As if new players don't get Shadow Serpentis spawns At that time, that alliance was being harrased by Burn Eden, so I wanted to help somehow (couldn't fly much at the time, so... Ospreys ftw \o/). Turned out okay, though, after we had a long chat. Nothing to worry about. Find corp/alliance that will appreciate your curiosity and will to learn fast.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:27:00 - [42] Edited by: sableye on 09/07/2007 12:31:36 that sucks I have thought a few members have mine may have been spies and people come (other corp members) along to me all time reporting them as such but I'd never kick them as proof is always zero lol, Its very irrational and costs you good members. I'd also like to say I've been in a few alliances where members have been chased out by the allaince command not there corps, usually they argue withthe allaince command and sound a bit too pro-bob lol and jhey are deemed spies because you know no one canever say soemthing good or truthful about bob, these are the worst one's as the whoel allaince is turned against them withirrational hatred, no proof and there corp does nothing at all to protect them, blindlly following the allaince leaders words, usally these are'nt new members either they been wive allaince for months. . Join The Fight With Promo Today
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:07:00 - [43] Actually, the truth is that there isn't a single corp operating in 0.0 that doesn't have at least one spy or double agent among the ranks. Thus is the nature of high profile life in EVE.
Dal Thrax Perkone	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Evil Bonzi Hmm which corp/alliance? I might be able to hook you up with merc goods evacuation ;) it was atomic heroes, oss alliance. JQV constellation. You know where it is, and we need targets. See you soon? If atomic heroes is formally making response to this can somebody get with me and let me know what questions I supposedly asked? As I said earlier all I remember asking was how do I get forum access and what's the password for the vent server (well I also registered for the alliance forum but since according to alliance mail that's where nice post their like "alliance rules" reside I would think that you would want new members reading it). Are you sure you didn't get me confused with somebody else? Dal Originally by: Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:05:00 - [45] Originally by: Dark Shikari Funnily enough, I was kicked out of my first corp (Shadows of the Dead, I think) for "knowing too much" for a few-week old character. Ah, the penalty for looking up information, trying things out for yourself, and actually using your prefrontal lobes... ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Dizeezer Velar Caldari Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:14:00 - [46] I honestly don't know what happened Dal, so I won't make comments specific to your situation. I'd eve-mail one of our directors who you had talked to. That'd be the best course of action and perhaps you could arrange to have your stuff safely moved out of syndicate.
JADE DRAG0NESS Minmatar Night Hawks	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:30:00 - [47] Originally by: WishBlade By far not that Dal Thrax knew too much, but, rather, he wanted to know too much. Being inquisitive about things isn't a bad thing, but if you ask the wrong questions too many times, and too soon you're bound to be labeled as a spy. And, BoB? Don't kid yourself. Was only BRUCE Sounds more like a lame excuse to stel his stuff really when i was 2 months old i knew a great ceal too not because i was some BoB alt . But because in my early days i did a lot of reserch as eve has a lot you need to learn. And jusdging by the questions he asked he wasant a spy but someone who wanted to socialise with your ahem Corp "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:46:00 - [48] Ha harrr! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!! Our chief weapon is Paranoia! And Navy Stabbers. Our weapons are Paranoia and Navy Stabbers! And Astartes. OUR! weapons are Paranoia, Navy Stabbers, Astartes and deep seated loathing of anything or anybody we've never seen before. Oh sod it.... "0.0" It's like Eve. Only worse.
Sardon	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:06:00 - [49] The harsh reality of 0.0 where your not in an NPC station is that if you get kicked from an alliance, corp or if your station is conquered your gear is in a bad situation. Let this be a lesson for all who read this. Regardless of your time with a corp or alliance you can still loose a station to a conquering force. I strongly suggest that all players keep an empire base with most valued assets stored there. Use alts to move supplies. Find Capitial transports to help move your gear so that you only keep neccesities in 0.0 while your there. Keep gear in empire seperated and organized for different applications so when you need to move some it is quick and easy to sort through and put together a package to send to your 0.0 main with your alt. Of the gear you keep in 0.0 be sure that it can all be sold on the market so if you get trapped you can at least regain some isk for your assets. Just a few pointers I have learned the hard way over time in the game.
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:36:00 - [50] Edited by: Eemaavi on 09/07/2007 16:38:25 Note to the OP. Way to go and playing it cool by not playing "name and shame". It shows that your a mature plaayer with an eye toward not Burning Bridges. That said, if you cannot get your stuff out. Its definately a good idea to pod yourself out there (if you can)or create a trial account and use that to scout for you and head on out, then Sell your gear for a nice profit. Combat ships are always in demand in 0.0. If its all T1 and non named (TS Guristas etc) stuff you can easily replace it in Empire and pocket the profits. Good luck! Oh and Sardon speaks the Truth.... thats good advice there! Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Yorick Downe	Posted - 2007.07.09 17:54:00 - [51] Edited by: Yorick Downe on 09/07/2007 17:54:25 Hehe, too funny. Yes, you can MWD out of a bubble. We teach that in PVP-BASIC to 1-month old nubs, so I guess they couldn't be accepted to that corp either. Gratuitous plug #2 (): Agony Unleashed is always recruiting. We're selective, but not stupid about our criteria. Prior PVP experience is not needed; taking classes and learning to PVP while in the corp is a must. To find out what we're like, one of the best ways of doing that is to actually take PVP-BASIC. You'll learn stuff, blow things up in 0.0 and have a blast. () Your post indicated that you are not currently in a player corp, hence the plug. We do not attempt to recruit from our PVP-BASIC classes, as that would create a conflict of interest. We only recruit people that are in NPC-corps, to avoid that conflict of interest.
Kur'Dekaija Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:07:00 - [52] Originally by: BluOrange Originally by: The RepoMan Edited by: The RepoMan on 09/07/2007 03:56:26 Tbh that's a pretty sound security screening, 99% of the eve population seems to be borderline ******, so when you actually meet someone remotely competent it pays to be quite suspicious. That's absurd; the consequence of it is that your corporation progressively fills up with incompetents. Which does have one benefit, I suppose: you won't be worth the effort of spying on Talented newbies are one of the best opportunities a corp has for building up for the long term. Internal security is definitely important, there's no shortage of spies in EVE. But you have to measure your internal security measures against the price you pay for them, and screening out 'smart people who study the game' is paying a high price for a very dubious benefit. well smart ppl dosn't mean good asset to corp and by posting this imo proves he would just had been a pain in our behinds if he hadn't been kicked ** happens.. get used to it "This is not an official statement from my corp or alliance etc etc etc"
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Fswd Lemme guess, it was part of the FREGE alliance? They are quick to call a guy a bob spy when he has juicy stuff... Dur Dur Dur... i know nothing! Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Nikuno	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:19:00 - [54] 2007.07.08 17:33 [17:27:39] Dal Thrax > Hello [17:28:06] Dal Thrax > Can I get an explanation for the kick? [17:29:09] Nikuno > hello [17:29:56] Nikuno > sorry about doing that, but some of the guys were conscerned about you being in the corp [17:30:23] Dal Thrax > Well Ok. Can I ask the basis of the concern? [17:31:13] Nikuno > the usual concerns about spies in corp, and since we have no way of verifying someoe's authenticity, we take an approach of better safe than sorry This was the sum total of the conversation with Dal after the decision was made about him not being in the corp. The convo was terminated by Dal. He was also made aware of the effect this would have on his standing with the alliance and is welcome to ask to join other local alliances if he wishes. His belongings are his own, and held in NPC stations, so theft is not a concern. We take no isk from members for joining. Like any corp we have to listen to the concerns of existing members, which is what was done in this situation. As for removing his items from JQV, that shouldn't be a problem , if he has decided to leave the area. He was already based in the JQV area with another corp, so he hasn't exactly had to move to be here in the first place. And nobody mentioned BoB I think there's a little bit of inaccurate reading between the lines going on there
Davos Breemer	Posted - 2007.07.09 23:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Nikuno 2007.07.08 17:33 [17:27:39] Dal Thrax > Hello [17:28:06] Dal Thrax > Can I get an explanation for the kick? [17:29:09] Nikuno > hello [17:29:56] Nikuno > sorry about doing that, but some of the guys were conscerned about you being in the corp [17:30:23] Dal Thrax > Well Ok. Can I ask the basis of the concern? [17:31:13] Nikuno > the usual concerns about spies in corp, and since we have no way of verifying someoe's authenticity, we take an approach of better safe than sorry This was the sum total of the conversation with Dal after the decision was made about him not being in the corp. The convo was terminated by Dal. He was also made aware of the effect this would have on his standing with the alliance and is welcome to ask to join other local alliances if he wishes. His belongings are his own, and held in NPC stations, so theft is not a concern. We take no isk from members for joining. Like any corp we have to listen to the concerns of existing members, which is what was done in this situation. As for removing his items from JQV, that shouldn't be a problem , if he has decided to leave the area. He was already based in the JQV area with another corp, so he hasn't exactly had to move to be here in the first place. And nobody mentioned BoB I think there's a little bit of inaccurate reading between the lines going on there So - you kicked him for possibly being a spy without any evidence of him being a spy? Yeah - I'd terminate the convo as well and be glad to get the hell out of such a moronic corp.
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.10 01:08:00 - [56] Edited by: BluOrange on 10/07/2007 01:11:06 Originally by: Kur'Dekaija Originally by: BluOrange Originally by: The RepoMan Edited by: The RepoMan on 09/07/2007 03:56:26 Tbh that's a pretty sound security screening, 99% of the eve population seems to be borderline ******, so when you actually meet someone remotely competent it pays to be quite suspicious. That's absurd; the consequence of it is that your corporation progressively fills up with incompetents. Which does have one benefit, I suppose: you won't be worth the effort of spying on Talented newbies are one of the best opportunities a corp has for building up for the long term. Internal security is definitely important, there's no shortage of spies in EVE. But you have to measure your internal security measures against the price you pay for them, and screening out 'smart people who study the game' is paying a high price for a very dubious benefit. well smart ppl dosn't mean good asset to corp and by posting this imo proves he would just had been a pain in our behinds if he hadn't been kicked ** happens.. get used to it "This is not an official statement from my corp or alliance etc etc etc" Not all smart people are assets to the corp, that's true. And some of the smartest people can be the most annoying and difficult. Sometimes they're not worth it, sometimes they are. My comment about absurdity was not directed at you, it was directed at the statement by The RepoMan that being suspicious of anyone remotely competent was a good idea. I think it's far better to exercise reasonable caution with everybody; using 'competence' as a red flag for your internal security is a damn good way of discouraging competence. There are plenty of things that a corp might want to discourage, but that one seems like a bad idea. Since there seems to be a question about my assessment of the situation at hand, here it is: The reasons stated by the OP for being kicked are not good reasons. It's possible that the OP has misunderstood something they were told when exiting the corp, it's possible that they are being deceptive, and it's possible that they really were given that reason. Even if they were given that reason, it might not be the true reason; there are a lot of perfectly valid reasons why the true reasons might not have been given or explained. The OP, quite understandably given their story, has sought guidance on how to avoid looking like a spy. Unfortunately, those are questions that no smart security person is going to answer, because discussing your screening techniques (especially in public) helps people to evade them. You've been saying all the right things in this thread; asserting your right to terminate somebody's employment, while seeking to minimise the hardship that they experience as a result. The OP seems genuine in their disappointment and frustration and they have my sympathy. So I have no intention of directing any blame towards either party; you have a right to make an assessment and act on it, and they have a right to be unhappy about your assessment. Both rights apply, regardless of who is a spy and who isn't. (Some of the surrounding theories are quite amusing!) Edit for disclaimer: I do publicity work for Agony Unleashed, but I do not have the authority to make policy or to conduct diplomatic negotiations. Any official statements on behalf of my corp or alliance will be clearly marked as official statements, and will probably be made by a more senior officer. Recruitment FAQ
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.10 01:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Davos Breemer So - you kicked him for possibly being a spy without any evidence of him being a spy? Yeah - I'd terminate the convo as well and be glad to get the hell out of such a moronic corp. Do you have any evidence to support your statement that they didn't have any evidence? Recruitment FAQ
jongalt	Posted - 2007.07.10 01:32:00 - [58] when dal thrax first joined our corp (which is no longer in operation), i expressed concerns to other directors >privately< that he might be a spy as well. he had asked some very sensitive questions about where blueprints were and what the passwords were for the containers within a few hours of being a member... over the course of a few months, his initiative proved he was a "go-getter". and in the end, i think, he was seen as a valuable contributor to the corp. he contributed many bp's to the corp. i always wondered (guiltily) if my "reservations" prevented him from getting a directorship. i only bring this up because it might be valuable to dal to know that he "trips triggers" inadvertantly (if we were to take him at face-value, which the corp did), or that he's met his fair share of idiots (me being, perhaps, one of them). for the record, i dont think he's an alt. im an alt. but even if i posted with my main, you would still have to take my word for it - which, i know, isnt worth that much anyway. who is john galt anyway?
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.10 01:41:00 - [59] Its the only way you can detect spies. If your going to trust some guy. This guy ends up getting your confidence by being chummy, telling jokes on vent, helping everyone out. Then, that second you have him haul the organization's cashe of zyd, or give him accountant rights, or access rights, or whatever, pow, he's gone. So. Yea, you did know too much. 8 months is pushing it though, I'd be a bit more cautious and have waited. The whole ** move about your is crap, I'd let that have it. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Dal Thrax Perkone	Posted - 2007.07.10 02:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Its the only way you can detect spies. If your going to trust some guy. This guy ends up getting your confidence by being chummy, telling jokes on vent, helping everyone out. Then, that second you have him haul the organization's cashe of zyd, or give him accountant rights, or access rights, or whatever, pow, he's gone. So. Yea, you did know too much. 8 months is pushing it though, I'd be a bit more cautious and have waited. The whole ** move about your is crap, I'd let that have it. If I was going to steal something I would have taken the half billion isk in ships that were in my personal hanger for the merger instead of passing them back. Like I said [Hero]'s background check could use a bit more work. Hum was just going to put accounts on ice for a bit and go try other games after this. Now I'm wondering if I shouldn't start a corp, if these are the kind of folks that hold space out in 0.0. . . Dal Originally by:** Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.

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