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Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:01:00 - [1] The solution for this can actually be found in World of Warcraft (and probably a few other games). When you log out in space, add a 1 minute timer. If you're attacked by a player during that time, apply the 15 minute PVP timer. If not, the server tells the client that it's clear to disconnect when the 1 minute timer is up (after which the client disconnects). Lost connections should be treated the same, with 1 minute for other players to extend the timer. I know this sucks to ppl that lose connection every now and then, but unfortunately the problem has grown way out of proportion and really needs to be dealt with.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Scorpyn on 09/07/2007 13:50:05 Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes ..."people" want a solution that can differ between log off and disconnect. Your proposal doesn't do that, but rather treat both the same (as EVE does now) with its rules... They can't have that though, because then ppl will just log off by pulling the network cable. Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes So this all goes down to a rule change, not a bug fix. Exactly (edited for splelling)
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.09 17:48:00 - [3] Edited by: Scorpyn on 09/07/2007 17:47:55 Originally by: Dotard Someone logs off, disconnects or whatever, you have plenty of time to probe out his ship and destroy it. That is only true if the 15 minute timer applies, which this thread isn't about. It's about those who avoid the 15 minute timer.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.09 21:33:00 - [4] Edited by: Scorpyn on 09/07/2007 21:33:13 Originally by: Militis Kolosok Why not make a 3 second log-off timer that gets put into the logs? Whenever a person ctrl+q's or pushes exit, the timer counts down and that way the server knows that the character legitimately logged off. If there's a computer, game, or network crash, the person would not have to go through the timer and the logs would be empty, removing the person's ship from the grid. 3 seconds is too short, it needs to be at least a minute. Also, if telling the difference between logoffs and disconnects was implemented then ppl would just start unplugging the network cable instead.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.10 14:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Miss KillSome does second client logon still works? Like, if u see u must logoff and save your ship, just have another client opened, log into same account, but select different charachter.. is this the problem? They fixed that issue a few years ago, but it's possible that it's slipped back in somehow (like a few other bugs have from time to time).
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Dotard Can someone answer my question please? What is the problem if when a person logs/dc's or whatever, they go to a SS. If scrammed they cannot and sit there getting pawned. If not the aggressor can probe the ship and warp to them and pawn it. What is all the complaining about? The problem is that there are ways of avoiding the 15 minute pvp timer.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: 1Of9 ]Even so, a program can know his been killed by task manager. There's the "end process" and "terminate process" both send messages to the "victim" program, and he can react. Uhm..no? It's a brute force killswitch for programs which do not respond. Nothing I read about that process so far indicates that it sends any message to the program. And even then there is still the simple firewall-block all traffic or the less elegant unplug network cable/kill PC power. If it was a brute force killswitch then you'd never get those "you're trying to close this program which isn't responding" popups when using it.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:49:00 - [8] Edited by: Scorpyn on 11/07/2007 12:51:27 <ignore> </ignore>
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Awox I have news for you and every other idiot who thinks random disconnections have ANYTHING to do with it. IF YOU GET LAGGED OUT OR DISCONNECTED IN PVP YOU DIE ANYWAYS. And I have news for you: the solution should be viable of all the players, not taylored for the "PvP is all" whiners. DC happens entering missions in low or high sec the same, and I don't want my ship to be left as a sitting duck 15 minutes for the NPC to kill because you cry if you don't get your fix in blood every day. Notice too that some cause of DC that aren't originated in EVE can't be resolved re-logging in 30 seconds as it is not possible to re-log. (and sometime even if the cause is EVE related) This change (if done as I suggested) would only change PVP. PVE (like when shooting npc:s) would remain the same as now, with a 1 minute timer.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.12 05:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Dietes Marcellus Post log off time is a good idea. My only concern is what of the people who quit out of the program before the logoff time has finished? If agressed during that time they should stay in space for 15 minutes imo.

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