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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:16:00 -
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Good day all Earlier tonite i saved a Girl from taking her own life near a shoppin mall in a underground passage. My First aid training over several years helped in preventing her life fading away.
I had Come from shopping with my brother that evening. We came upon the girl who was perhaps 12-13 and she had used disposable razor blades to cut up from her wrist and up her entire arm. I helped her and comforted to my best ability until the paramedics arrived. My brother froze up as he had not any first aid experience as can happen with anyone.
I remained at her side and comforted and was able to stop most of the bleeding until further help arrived. My Brother is Going to attend a first aid class asap. I urge those who have thought about the same to do so as well. you too might save a life. A few boys who were around told me several people had just walked by before I arrived.A few minutes later and she might not have made it. I called the hospital a few moments ago to see if she was all right and got the info she was. The world can be a painful place. But I am glad I was able to do what I could at that time. I feel better to know she is safe now and under good care. i hope you have a nice day and stay safe. -Jarra
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Avery Eclipsen
Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:20:00 -
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proof that bob owns, nice save. ___________________________________________
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:25:00 -
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gj :)
Originally by: "Orestes Umnon" An easy way to spot when isk farmers are mad: they stop using broken english and just start spamming boxes at you, with random punctuation sprinked here and there
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:28:00 -
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i'm rather suspicious. a suicidal 13 year old seems unusual compared to the average age of 15 - 24. she was in an underground parking garage which makes me wonder if maybe she was assaulted. regardless it was good that you rendered aid unlike the other passerby.
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Skrypt
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 06:07:00 -
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Jarra, you're a good man. Good lookin' out, mate.
<3
"I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart) |

Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.13 06:44:00 -
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Yeah I probably would of averted my eyes and pretended I didn't see her as I walked by....
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your wrong. Studies have shown thats exactly what the vast majority of people do. Its called bystander apathy. Theres even a case of a woman being stabbed to death for thirty minutes with dozens of witnesses who ignored her cries.
But good work with the being a decent person and actually stopping to help.
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SeismicForce
Clear Horizon Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.13 07:43:00 -
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Wow, Jarra has Logistics to level V 
Joke aside, I'm glad that you are one of those who jump in where others choose to ignore. Respect.
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Skrypt
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Yeah I probably would of averted my eyes and pretended I didn't see her as I walked by....
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your wrong. Studies have shown thats exactly what the vast majority of people do. Its called bystander apathy. Theres even a case of a woman being stabbed to death for thirty minutes with dozens of witnesses who ignored her cries.
But good work with the being a decent person and actually stopping to help.
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your right. This isn't an attack but rather a rebuttal.
That's cowardice and defeatism. You've swallowed this garbage and now regurgitate it like you understand half of what you suggest. You are right about one thing, you probably would have kept walking. Some men and some women haven't got what it takes. Some see the apathy in others and think it justifies it within themselves.
In the future, keep your Fruedian psycho babel to yourself. It's less than entertaining.
"I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart) |

Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 08:02:00 -
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With First aid training comes the knowledge how to treat various injuries and how to react.Also gives you the Power of initiative to take it head on. We never know how we are goin to react until Crunch time comes. Im just glad i was at the right place at the right time.
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.13 08:10:00 -
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Old copypasta is old...
*runs liek teh wind* ---
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Indra Sebuchiore
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.07.13 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Yeah I probably would of averted my eyes and pretended I didn't see her as I walked by....
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your wrong. Studies have shown thats exactly what the vast majority of people do. Its called bystander apathy. Theres even a case of a woman being stabbed to death for thirty minutes with dozens of witnesses who ignored her cries.
But good work with the being a decent person and actually stopping to help.
So because everybody else would have done it, it's ok to do it too? Sorry, but that's exactly the kind of thinking that leads to atrocities such as genocide, pogroms, the Holocaust, and general day-to-day unpleasantness for everyone. So, yeah, I do think you're an "A-hole" for that. __________________________________________ "In girum imus nocte, et consumimur igni."
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Layrex
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.13 15:13:00 -
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This is why i'm a nurse. Best feeling in the world. Well done!
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Xtreem
Gallente Zanex Estates
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Posted - 2007.07.13 15:27:00 -
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i always stop and help people, for example if im on my way home and some super drunk girl/guy stumbles past i always offer and if there really bad insist on taking them back, so many bad things happen to people who cant defend themselves.
props for stopping and helping. i would have done the same even with less medical skills than yourself.
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Scorpyn
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.13 15:35:00 -
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I hope I would do the same. Since I haven't been in a similar situation, however, I don't actually know if I would or not 
Medical training is probably a very good start. It removes the omgidunnowhattodo feeling and replaces it with ineedtodothisandthatandthensomethingelseetc, making it a bit more of an automatic response to help.
I suppose being around ppl who have the courage to do something helps a lot aswell, in case you stumble upon something similar by yourself.
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omni eye
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 15:43:00 -
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Good call Jarra
I took first aid when I was very young, It reminds me to hurry up and refresh my skills! I hope she is in good care now.
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Neo Fate
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Posted - 2007.07.13 16:07:00 -
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Pics or it didnt happen
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Fate Pics or it didnt happen
The last things i was thinking about was taking pictures. Think about what u just posted and think about again. Sheesh.
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Dario Wall
Caldari Setenta Corp Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.13 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Fate Pics or it didnt happen
Posts like this in threads about saving someone's life are what sadden me about how society has gotten these days... Go crawl back under your bridge troll.
As for the OP, very good thing you did. It's a shame there aren't more people out there willing to stop and help others in need.
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XrayZ
Euphoria Foundation
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Posted - 2007.07.13 16:40:00 -
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if she was suicidal, u have to tell her to cut up, not to the side, that way it goes faster "make it count kids" lol, just had to, sry... god i hate emos.
no, but seriously now... freaking gj m8 :) its good to know there still are good ppl in the world. --------------------------------------
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Evil Bonzi
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.07.13 16:42:00 -
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Well first aid training is not for everyone imo. If you freeze up in these kind of situatios - no amount of training is going to help unless you can overcome that sense of indecisiveness.
But a good deed done is a good deed done. I've got first aid training myself but fortunately haven't had the chance to put it to use.
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Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2007.07.13 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Indra Sebuchiore
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Yeah I probably would of averted my eyes and pretended I didn't see her as I walked by....
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your wrong. Studies have shown thats exactly what the vast majority of people do. Its called bystander apathy. Theres even a case of a woman being stabbed to death for thirty minutes with dozens of witnesses who ignored her cries.
But good work with the being a decent person and actually stopping to help.
So because everybody else would have done it, it's ok to do it too? Sorry, but that's exactly the kind of thinking that leads to atrocities such as genocide, pogroms, the Holocaust, and general day-to-day unpleasantness for everyone. So, yeah, I do think you're an "A-hole" for that.
People need to read, He said that he PROBABLY would of ignored her as it is a common psych condition...he never said that he wouldn't help as he was never in that situation he just stated that it is quite common for people to ignore. Also not helping a suicide victim leads to the holocaust...well I can frankly say that i've heard that here first.
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Kindakrof
Caldari Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kindakrof on 13/07/2007 17:28:26 /heal 10
Originally by: Indra Sebuchiore
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Yeah I probably would of averted my eyes and pretended I didn't see her as I walked by....
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your wrong. Studies have shown thats exactly what the vast majority of people do. Its called bystander apathy. Theres even a case of a woman being stabbed to death for thirty minutes with dozens of witnesses who ignored her cries.
But good work with the being a decent person and actually stopping to help.
So because everybody else would have done it, it's ok to do it too? Sorry, but that's exactly the kind of thinking that leads to atrocities such as genocide, pogroms, the Holocaust, and general day-to-day unpleasantness for everyone. So, yeah, I do think you're an "A-hole" for that.
I agree with this.
Also to the nurse: If you're as hot as your char portrait then you can take my temperature anytime :D:D:D
Also GJ on saving her. Show up at fanfest and you got a beer on me. --- --- ---
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 17:37:00 -
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Being a Native of Iceland the fanfest will be attented. Today is Friday the 13th..(knocks on wood)
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VinceNoir
Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.13 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jarra Being a Native of Iceland the fanfest will be attented. Today is Friday the 13th..(knocks on wood)
*cough*dev*cough* :)
Good work dude, have you been able to talk to the girl since?
Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
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Horatio Nately
Caldari 808 Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.13 17:59:00 -
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nice save. ---------------------------------------
CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp channel 808 ingame |

Smakko
Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.13 18:57:00 -
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o7
Jarra, I salute you.
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.13 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tarquin Tarquinius on 13/07/2007 19:12:11
I like how everyone is twisting what I said before.
I posted that as a way to further drive in the fact that the op did a great thing because its established fact that most people would of done nothing. Its not psycho-babble. Its been done shown in study after study, and I'm sure you've all had personnel experience with it at some point. Ever tried changing a tire on a busy street vs. doing it on a quite one? Your more likely to get help on a near abandoned road. How about spilling all your books and papers at school? People will just go around you.
I'm not saying its "okay" to ignore someone who needs help....just that its what most people do.
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Smakko
Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.13 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Smakko on 13/07/2007 19:26:20
Originally by: Araxmas
Originally by: Indra Sebuchiore
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Yeah I probably would of averted my eyes and pretended I didn't see her as I walked by....
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your wrong. Studies have shown thats exactly what the vast majority of people do. Its called bystander apathy. Theres even a case of a woman being stabbed to death for thirty minutes with dozens of witnesses who ignored her cries.
But good work with the being a decent person and actually stopping to help.
So because everybody else would have done it, it's ok to do it too? Sorry, but that's exactly the kind of thinking that leads to atrocities such as genocide, pogroms, the Holocaust, and general day-to-day unpleasantness for everyone. So, yeah, I do think you're an "A-hole" for that.
People need to read, He said that he PROBABLY would of ignored her as it is a common psych condition...he never said that he wouldn't help as he was never in that situation he just stated that it is quite common for people to ignore. Also not helping a suicide victim leads to the holocaust...well I can frankly say that i've heard that here first.
You clearly missed the point. Tarq said that he's not an ahole because he would have had a "common" response of bystander apathy. Indra pointed out, that well, _of course_ you're an ahole for succumbing to "bystander apathy." Just because it's been "scientifically shown" that most people would be aholes in that situation doesn't make one less of an ahole for being part of the majority.
Besides, the whole argument that somehow one can statistically measure an individual human being's capacity for goodness in a hypothetical situation is bunk. People find themselves in a situation that requires them to step up, and they either do or they don't. But sometimes crappy people behave much better than they normally do in a crisis, and normally kind, helpful people can freeze up. Perhaps the difference is preparation, or some sort of training or other form of emotional development.
That little girl is very lucky someone with the compassion and training to help her was in that place at that time. In militaries around the world, we train people to confront horrible situations and perform complex tasks under extreme mental duress. The training usually works, but sometimes it doesn't. Emergency room doctors and nurses are also trained to perform under extreme stress, but they too sometimes fall short of what is required of them. It's remarkable in this case that someone with not much more than a good heart and first aid training was able to save a young life. Not everyone with just first aid training could or would be able to do what was necessary, but there is some unique quality of the OP's character that helped ensure the girl's survival.
Throughout history, it is the singular and often uncommon character of great individuals that lead humanity out of a crisis. Statistically speaking, the odds were that noone would step up, or be in the right place at the right time to do anything about it. Instead, we have record of instance after instance where somehow people were led out of their apathy to conquer some great evil. Joan of Arc, Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, etc. It's one thing to freeze up, in shock, and become unable to confront something violent and horrible. It's another thing to walk away from the experience and not be ashamed of one's failure to do the right thing. So yeah, the human quality that I find more interesting to ponder than the proclivity to fall victim to "bystander apathy" is the quality in individuals that behave completely contrary to any pessimistic notion of human nature.
edit: Wrote this while Tarq posted his followup, and I just wanted to clarify, I'm not flaming Tarq, just trying to emphasize how un-ok it is to be a mediocre soul. I think his second post basically shows that he would agree with that, at least in principle.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.13 19:47:00 -
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Nice save .
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Red Gabba
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.13 19:58:00 -
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Ive also been in a situation of finding a girl who had cut there wrists, Ive basic first aid training and it was enough, however the first thing you should always do is make sure a ambulance is on its way, even someone without first aid knowledge can do that..
Well done to the Op, i will also add that it can be quite a horrific sight, it took me a while to get over it, i would advise that you talk to someone if your having problems forgetting the inncedent.
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.13 22:40:00 -
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To OP: You sir are a man!
Hats off. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |

Zeonos
Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.14 00:35:00 -
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let me check.. 1 2 3 times in the past year and a half have i attended 12hours course for first aid. :) and yes, its something all human should do.. from an age of 10 or so...
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.07.14 00:54:00 -
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Good work fella!
Let's hope the girl turns her life around and sorts out whatever it was that made her want to kill herself.
Let us know if you meet up with her and have any more good news mate.
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.14 01:00:00 -
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It has been weird couple of days after this happened and i have not been able to see the girl since. there is of course a process she needs to go through and the paramedics told me to expect a phonecall from parents in the next few days. I will keep you updated what happens.
I have spoken to a Nurse today as to process the images and thoughts in my mind. The thing that sticks to my mind most is the look of relief in her eyes when i was helping her. Feels very good to have helped and showed a total stranger there are people who care in this sometimes very cruel world.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.07.14 01:16:00 -
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Just out of interest and for no nefarious reason, what country are you in?
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.14 01:19:00 -
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Born and raised in Iceland.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.07.14 01:25:00 -
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As there's not a huge population in Iceland, let's hope you see her around town someday waaay in the future with her kids or even grandchildren, and you can think "If it wasn't for me ...".
You've changed the whole future, and for that you should be very proud!
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.14 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Fink Angel
As there's not a huge population in Iceland, let's hope you see her around town someday waaay in the future with her kids or even grandchildren, and you can think "If it wasn't for me ...".
You've changed the whole future, and for that you should be very proud!
Assuming that the future is not pre-determined, in which case he did exactly what was expected of him... 
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Xoria Krint
5th Avenue
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Posted - 2007.07.14 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Xoria Krint on 14/07/2007 02:21:52 Woow! Well done! Hope she understands it's nice people's in the world aswell!
Learned first aid last year in School.
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Antaris Xenal
Gallente Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.07.14 02:22:00 -
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Awesome job Jarra :) Glad to see that there are good people out there. I for myself would have tried to help even though I don't have any first aid training. For the person who said that he would have kept walking, F*** you, you ARE an A-hole.
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Sixtyniner
5th Avenue
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Posted - 2007.07.14 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xoria Krint Edited by: Xoria Krint on 14/07/2007 02:21:52
Learned first aid last year in School.
Like.. Remote Armor Repairers?
Jokes aside, very nice done! I¦m glad to see there¦s still people who actually has the courage to help others in public.
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.07.14 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: SeismicForce Wow, Jarra has Logistics to level V  Joke aside, I'm glad that you are one of those who jump in where others choose to ignore. Respect.
Remote Hull Transfer perhaps? Or would blood count at cap?

Originally by: Red Gabba Well done to the Op, i will also add that it can be quite a horrific sight, it took me a while to get over it, i would advise that you talk to someone if your having problems forgetting the inncedent.
My wife was an EMT for several years and one of the first cases she had to work on was a suicide via shotgun to the head. It took her a while to get over that... 
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.14 03:01:00 -
[43]
I have worked in a cattle slaughterhouse for 2 seasons in the past...Seein blood from an animal...can be something one can get used to workin there. But from a person. It will take me sometime to process this event. But it will stay with me forever.
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Saint Lazarus
C R Y O FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 03:05:00 -
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Nicely done mate, something you can always be proud of
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: vanBuskirk on 14/07/2007 13:20:59 Congrats to the OP.
But there is a serious point here. This may only apply to the UK, by the way.
One of my relatives is a trained nurse - and she tells me that in a similar situation when off-duty she would NOT help the victim, but only call an ambulance, and help only if and when the crew ask her to.
Why? Simple self-preservation. A trained nurse is assumed to be competent in first aid and basic medicine - which leaves one open to being sued for damages, should the rescue attempt go wrong. And this is not theoretical - there have been several cases where something like this has happened, the off-duty trained professional has stepped in, the attempted rescue hasn't worked and the professional has been sued - successfully - by the relatives of the victim, for incompetence. In some of those cases, the professional has lost his/her license as well as having to pay compensation.
Someone untrained, doing their best, doesn't have this problem; nor, usually, does a professional on duty, because the lawsuit is then against his/her employer.
Yes, this is ridiculous. And yes, the responsibility for this situation lies with ambulance-chasing lawyers with their "no win no fee" agreements - and therefore, at the last, to the Lord Chancellor who changed the rules of the English legal profession to allow that sort of agreement. Because of this and for other reasons, the legal profession has undoubtedly been indirectly responsible for an unknown number of deaths.
Reminds me of the old joke: "What do you call 5000 lawyers arranged head-to-feet in a line at the bottom of the sea? A good start."
But never mind all that, and to the OP, once again; GJ.
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Judas Lonestar
Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 15:02:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Skrypt
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Yeah I probably would of averted my eyes and pretended I didn't see her as I walked by....
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your wrong. Studies have shown thats exactly what the vast majority of people do. Its called bystander apathy. Theres even a case of a woman being stabbed to death for thirty minutes with dozens of witnesses who ignored her cries.
But good work with the being a decent person and actually stopping to help.
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your right. This isn't an attack but rather a rebuttal.
That's cowardice and defeatism. You've swallowed this garbage and now regurgitate it like you understand half of what you suggest. You are right about one thing, you probably would have kept walking. Some men and some women haven't got what it takes. Some see the apathy in others and think it justifies it within themselves.
In the future, keep your Fruedian psycho babel to yourself. It's less than entertaining.
While I can readily admit I wont render aid to someone who wants to off themselves (I have no respect for these people) I can appreciate those who do.
On the other hand, if someone is being attacked I would render aid. Generally in the form of 147 grains of Gold Dot.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.14 15:12:00 -
[47]
Nice one  
Trained first aider here too, I take a refresher every year.
It's an awesome thing to have the knowledge of tbh 
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Zalathar
Minmatar Biometaloid INC
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Posted - 2007.07.14 16:59:00 -
[48]
Good to know people would help someone in distress. I hope the girl can overcome her problems, and lead a normal life. ~~~~~~ *mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!"* ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty  I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh |

desolator
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: desolator on 14/07/2007 18:17:03 Good Job Jarra, truuly amazing.
Vonandi frTttiru eitthva= af henni seinna :) ------------
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Jtbenns
Gallente QUANT Corp. Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:41:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Edited by: Tarquin Tarquinius on 13/07/2007 19:12:11
I like how everyone is twisting what I said before.
I posted that as a way to further drive in the fact that the op did a great thing because its established fact that most people would of done nothing. Its not psycho-babble. Its been done shown in study after study, and I'm sure you've all had personnel experience with it at some point. Ever tried changing a tire on a busy street vs. doing it on a quite one? Your more likely to get help on a near abandoned road. How about spilling all your books and papers at school? People will just go around you.
I'm not saying its "okay" to ignore someone who needs help....just that its what most people do.
i will defend him on this partially...
in the first aid course run by the red cross one part of the lesson is the fact that people do fake injuries to catch people...
ie...
someone aids a fallen person, then they get mugged becaue they arnt thinking... Instead of avoiding though it iis best to just be carefull in most situations unless you can see that they are in no way going to hurt you...
trust noone, but help to your ability... --------------------------------- RWREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:42:00 -
[51]
Originally by: vanBuskirk But there is a serious point here. This may only apply to the UK, by the way.
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I think its worse here in the US. Its better not to attempt first aid here because you open yourself to civil lawsuits. Just call 911 and wait for the pros.
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Jtbenns
Gallente QUANT Corp. Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
Originally by: vanBuskirk But there is a serious point here. This may only apply to the UK, by the way.
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I think its worse here in the US. Its better not to attempt first aid here because you open yourself to civil lawsuits. Just call 911 and wait for the pros.
the us is called the land of opportunity, in that, people file lawsuits for evrything...
if you try to help someone, even if they save your life, they wil lsue you if you touched them wrong...
ie cpr, on chest... crazy people will sue someone for touching their chest even though they were dying... people f****** suck sometimes in the us and its really really bad... but even like 911 on a cell phone is gps tracked so you dont even have to talk... even if you look at someone here they can file a lawsuit and like get you fired from your job...
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Smakko
Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:16:00 -
[53]
Yes there have been instances where the "good samaritan" has been sued, but Martin Luther King, Jr's sermon on the meaning of the parable comes to mind.... to sum up:
Bunch of people walk by and see a man in need of help and think, "If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?"
Samaritan walks by, sees man in need and thinks, "If I don't stop to help this man, what will happen to him?"
Good thing not everyone succumbs to their stupid side, otherwise the world would be an even more messed up place than it is already.
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Ciphero
The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 13:00:00 -
[54]
I can back up what people have said about apathy from people in this sort of situation. Twice in the past six months, I've stopped and helped people who have collapsed on the pavement - nothing so graphic as blood streaming from their arms, but still obviously in need of help. On both occasions, I can't have been anything less than the 3rd/4th person to reach them, but the first one to stop.
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Mallick
Northern Intelligence Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:00:00 -
[55]
OH MY ******* GOD?!
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAVED MY DAUGHTER?! **** ME THE WORLD IS SMALL!!
OH MAN, I OWE YOU MY LIFE!!
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Alice'Dee
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:07:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Mallick OH MY ******* GOD?!
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAVED MY DAUGHTER?! **** ME THE WORLD IS SMALL!!
OH MAN, I OWE YOU MY LIFE!!
JOHN!?
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king jks
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:08:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Mallick OH MY ******* GOD?!
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAVED MY DAUGHTER?! **** ME THE WORLD IS SMALL!!
OH MAN, I OWE YOU MY LIFE!!
DAD?!
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Mi'zura
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:10:00 -
[58]
Originally by: king jks
Originally by: Mallick OH MY ******* GOD?!
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAVED MY DAUGHTER?! **** ME THE WORLD IS SMALL!!
OH MAN, I OWE YOU MY LIFE!!
DAD?!
MOM?!
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Phuze
Caldari Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:15:00 -
[59]
Originally by: vanBuskirk Edited by: vanBuskirk on 14/07/2007 13:20:59 Congrats to the OP.
But there is a serious point here. This may only apply to the UK, by the way.
One of my relatives is a trained nurse - and she tells me that in a similar situation when off-duty she would NOT help the victim, but only call an ambulance, and help only if and when the crew ask her to.
Why? Simple self-preservation. A trained nurse is assumed to be competent in first aid and basic medicine - which leaves one open to being sued for damages, should the rescue attempt go wrong. And this is not theoretical - there have been several cases where something like this has happened, the off-duty trained professional has stepped in, the attempted rescue hasn't worked and the professional has been sued - successfully - by the relatives of the victim, for incompetence. In some of those cases, the professional has lost his/her license as well as having to pay compensation.
Someone untrained, doing their best, doesn't have this problem; nor, usually, does a professional on duty, because the lawsuit is then against his/her employer.
In the States its the exact opposite, if you have a Nursing liscense your required by law to stop and give assistance, if you dont and are caught you may lose your liscense. 
Nice one for getting involved in a situation that alot would have turned from, it took guts. 
"Yarr n' Stuff" 
Phuze
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Keta Min
Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:28:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Hollismason I think there may be a connection between her trying to kill herself and this being the only outlet you have to share this sort of experience with.
not the only outlet, he also shared it here.
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Wachtmeister
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:24:00 -
[61]
Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to remind you to stay on topic and don't troll. Thank you.
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:34:00 -
[62]
I have spoken to nurses about what happened so i have gotten advice from preofessional for the "outlet" The web posts are just to show people and share what happened to me. And yes i have told this on more places then here as i have no problems sharing.
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Silloh Nosam
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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:46:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Silloh Nosam on 15/07/2007 15:46:08 There's this word I'm thinking of what is it , I can really recall it's where you go around telling everyone what you did. Darn it just can't think of the word right now.
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:52:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Silloh Nosam Edited by: Silloh Nosam on 15/07/2007 15:46:08 There's this word I'm thinking of what is it , I can really recall it's where you go around telling everyone what you did. Darn it just can't think of the word right now.
Think of it what u will. I am merely sharing my experience.
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Hollismason
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.15 16:03:00 -
[65]
Well I see it as someone who did something that benefitted someone and wants his ego stroked. I also see someone taking something that although a serious problem was not life threatening, suicides do not go to the store and then go outside and cut themselves.
I see it as a bad situation that yeah you did the right thing by calling emergency medical services , but instead you wrote the situation as you were a shining knight in armor descended from the heavens and due to your awesome FIRST AID TRAINING you were able to easily and calmly deal with this situation.
What I am suppose to reward you for doing the right thing.
Hey guys I didn't murder anyone today , please give me your praise.
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.15 16:07:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Hollismason Well I see it as someone who did something that benefitted someone and wants his ego stroked. I also see someone taking something that although a serious problem was not life threatening, suicides do not go to the store and then go outside and cut themselves.
I see it as a bad situation that yeah you did the right thing by calling emergency medical services , but instead you wrote the situation as you were a shining knight in armor descended from the heavens and due to your awesome FIRST AID TRAINING you were able to easily and calmly deal with this situation.
What I am suppose to reward you for doing the right thing.
Hey guys I didn't murder anyone today , please give me your praise.
My Ego stroked...no You just made my day with your post lol
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Hollismason
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.15 16:12:00 -
[67]
You could find a couple of more websites to post your story on. Possibly take out a ad in EON to get your message out that FIRST AID training is useful.
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.15 16:29:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Hollismason Edited by: Hollismason on 15/07/2007 16:18:59
Ahaahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahaha
http://avatars.imvu.com/Eldgengill
interests: BLOOD
Only a Goon....lol
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Myk Taison
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.15 16:47:00 -
[69]
guys
guys
guys
guys
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Enre Sung
Market Control Paradigm
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Posted - 2007.07.15 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Enre Sung on 15/07/2007 20:50:29 typically, when you do a good thing, your first reaction isn't to go tell the internet and wait for praise to roll in. I mean, I've stopped a mugging and tackled a little girl out of the way of a car, but I don't feel the need to tell the internet, and those are both WAY more interesting stories than this.
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Ciphero
The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 22:21:00 -
[71]
Guys, whether the post is for an ego-stroke or not, he did something good(tm). If his wanting to be praised for that bothers you, don't bump his thread to the top with your post that won't be read by many people compared to the one that started the thread. |

Sir Heavy
Dragonian Freelancers Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.15 22:48:00 -
[72]
GJ
This is weird guys, you've prolly Googled everything you wanted to know before, but why not google and read up how to perform CPR.. Learn CPR the simple way!
Honestly, how many of yous have?
I'm a paramedic, recently took the "CPR new guidelines training" of one of the leading emergency doctors in Belgium. He said he can't remember how much ribs he has broken whilst performing CPR, and his hart-rate still goes up everytime he does it. It's not a crime!
---------- ex - DaHeaVYFo
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.07.15 23:53:00 -
[73]
What on earth is the matter with some people on these forums? Go back to the other bad tempered and bad mannered Eve forums, it's quite nice in here!
Another heart warming story, and why you should be first aid trained:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3740020.stm
... and no, I'm not.  
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IamBen
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.16 03:48:00 -
[74]
Neat story, glad you could help someone.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.07.16 07:05:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 16/07/2007 07:05:42 About the by-standers,
I wasn't going to post but I experienced something today that really got to me. I was in an amusement park with the my kid, wife and my baby daughter. I met another dad near the kid's rides section. He was alone with his baby daughter. We talked for a few minutes waiting inline for some sodas.
An hour later I see the same guy running around, crying uncontrollably and calling the baby girl's name. By his tears I could tell he had been crying for a few minutes at least. I looked around for like 2 seconds, everybody was looking at him, but nobody was doing *NOTHING*.
I looked and my own little girl and thought 'crap! this could be me!' and started running too, looking everywhere. My wife told my kid what was happening and they also started running through the rides calling the girl's name. It took 30 seconds for the girl to hear people calling her name and come out of their hiding place.
It all ended well, but I'm still surprised that nobody else did anything. Not even park employees. There were over 200 ppl there, from different nationalities/cultures. And nobody, *NOBODY* did anything. Everybody just looking as if it were some kind of show. Back at home, I still keep asking myself, did we help because we just met the guy? If it happens to somebody that we don't know, will we help too? Or would we be bystanders and do nothing? It's scary.
To the OP: Well done man! Well done.
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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.16 09:03:00 -
[76]
OK, I'm going to sound heartless for saying this but so far I haven't seen anyone mention this side of the story;
Great, you saved someone's life, but they were trying to kill themselves. And they might try again. Personally I believe it's within someone's right to kill themselves. After all, if they do it right you ain't gonna be able to save them. Yes, suicide is a selfish thing to do because it affects those around you who supposedly care about you; but like Nietzsche said; "The thought of suicide is a great consolation; by means of it one gets through many a bad night".
Sometimes, when someone has reached the very end of themselves and their abilities, what else is left?
OMG! Some orange text. It must be important.
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.16 19:57:00 -
[77]
The Post i have written have made their purpose. I have made contact with the Girl with the help of my posts. She is feeling alot better and we are gonna stay in touch over the next days.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.07.16 20:03:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Miss Anthropy Great, you saved someone's life, but they were trying to kill themselves. And they might try again. Personally I believe it's within someone's right to kill themselves.
Then don't do it on a public street. That's a cry for help. Also a 12-13 year old kid hasn't even started to live, so no matter how bad things are, they WILL change.
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Arron S
Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.16 21:11:00 -
[79]
Most people dont know how to handle the situation which is why they walk by
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Red Gabba
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:21:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Jarra The Post i have written have made their purpose. I have made contact with the Girl with the help of my posts. She is feeling alot better and we are gonna stay in touch over the next days.
Respect to you Jarra, your going beyond what is needed tbh, but perhaps you can help her even more by simply being kind. just remember one thing, the girl needs professional help and unless your a trained shrink you should perhaps not get involved beyond what you have done or already are doing. For her sake, she needs help, for your own sake you need to now walk away and let the medical pros do there work.
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Michayel Lyon
The Corporation Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.17 03:44:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Skrypt
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Yeah I probably would of averted my eyes and pretended I didn't see her as I walked by....
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your wrong. Studies have shown thats exactly what the vast majority of people do. Its called bystander apathy. Theres even a case of a woman being stabbed to death for thirty minutes with dozens of witnesses who ignored her cries.
But good work with the being a decent person and actually stopping to help.
If you think I'm an A-hole for this...your right. This isn't an attack but rather a rebuttal.
That's cowardice and defeatism. You've swallowed this garbage and now regurgitate it like you understand half of what you suggest. You are right about one thing, you probably would have kept walking. Some men and some women haven't got what it takes. Some see the apathy in others and think it justifies it within themselves.
In the future, keep your Fruedian psycho babel to yourself. It's less than entertaining.
Bystander effect
The only thing I agree with is you being an A-hole. --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions
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Jarra
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:00:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Red Gabba
Originally by: Jarra The Post i have written have made their purpose. I have made contact with the Girl with the help of my posts. She is feeling alot better and we are gonna stay in touch over the next days.
Respect to you Jarra, your going beyond what is needed tbh, but perhaps you can help her even more by simply being kind. just remember one thing, the girl needs professional help and unless your a trained shrink you should perhaps not get involved beyond what you have done or already are doing. For her sake, she needs help, for your own sake you need to now walk away and let the medical pros do there work.
I agree with your point totally,I just wanted to meet her under diffrent Circumstances,give her a hug and then be on my way and wish her the best after that.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari IntoXication Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:04:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 17/07/2007 10:07:05
Originally by: Miss Anthropy OK, I'm going to sound heartless for saying this but so far I haven't seen anyone mention this side of the story;
Great, you saved someone's life, but they were trying to kill themselves. And they might try again. Personally I believe it's within someone's right to kill themselves. After all, if they do it right you ain't gonna be able to save them. Yes, suicide is a selfish thing to do because it affects those around you who supposedly care about you; but like Nietzsche said; "The thought of suicide is a great consolation; by means of it one gets through many a bad night".
Sometimes, when someone has reached the very end of themselves and their abilities, what else is left?
A depressed person is in no condition to make such a decision. I am sure she still had things to live for, being only 13 years old.
And gawd the "majority does it, therefore it isn't bad" was a horrible argument. I'll give you a better one: 1 000 000 flies can in fact be wrong, ***** aren't as tasty as they say. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!-- |

Smakko
Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.18 07:19:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Hollismason Well I see it as someone who did something that benefitted someone and wants his ego stroked. I also see someone taking something that although a serious problem was not life threatening, suicides do not go to the store and then go outside and cut themselves.
I see it as a bad situation that yeah you did the right thing by calling emergency medical services , but instead you wrote the situation as you were a shining knight in armor descended from the heavens and due to your awesome FIRST AID TRAINING you were able to easily and calmly deal with this situation.
What I am suppose to reward you for doing the right thing.
Hey guys I didn't murder anyone today , please give me your praise.
Thanks for reminding me why I'm glad I'm redboxed to you idiots.
Oh, and in before "my personal mental ******ation is not indicative of general mental ******ation by the rest of my corp/alliance."
Originally by: NSA DAKILLA bruce the cream of noobs
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Cherybol
Caldari Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.07.18 07:43:00 -
[85]
You have my highest respect.
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ry ry
StateCorp The State
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Posted - 2007.07.18 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 18/07/2007 09:17:28
i signed up to Suicide Girls with the intention of saving some lives.
apparently they're not actually suicidal. i feel cheated.
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