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Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:36:00 -
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Any chance to change implant names in the manner suggested here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41842&find=unread
Quote:Hardwiring implants have names that are not descriptive. For example:
Zainou 'Gnome' KTA10 Inherent Implants 'Noble' ZET330 Eifyr and Co 'Rogue' EY-1
I propose to change their names using the following format: [Manufacturer] - [Effect] [Generation]
Their new names would be:
Zainou - Launcher CPU Reduction Mk. 1 Inherent Implants - Hull Hitpoints Mk. 4 Eifyr and Co - Afterburner Duration Mk. 3
The generation of an implant is determined as follows: the weakest bonus is Mk. 1, the second weakest Mk. 2 and so on. In this way we can immediately determine what an implant does and how strong it is without needing to check its description or attributes.
That's the general idea. Should be a simple change and make is so much easier to find the hardwiring that we're looking for. |
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CCP Gnauton
C C P C C P Alliance
4

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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:23:00 -
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There is an initiative underway to revamp a number of module and item names, and the Hardwiring implants are part of that. The solution we'll implement is not at all dissimilar to what you propose. More information on the whole shebang forthcoming shortly. |
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Pyre leFay
True Blue Haulers
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:15:00 -
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Thank god. E-war drones, Maybe some rig names. excellent. |

Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:23:00 -
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CCP Gnauton wrote:There is an initiative underway to revamp a number of module and item names, and the Hardwiring implants are part of that. The solution we'll implement is not at all dissimilar to what you propose. More information on the whole shebang forthcoming shortly.
you kind sir deserve a space-like ! |

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:47:00 -
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CCP Gnauton wrote:There is an initiative underway to revamp a number of module and item names, and the Hardwiring implants are part of that. The solution we'll implement is not at all dissimilar to what you propose. More information on the whole shebang forthcoming shortly.
Hey, will this include adding the suffix "script" to all script names, e.g., "scan resolution script" instead of "scan resolution"?
This would make it much easier to find scripts in hangar or on the market, as we could just search for "script" and they'd all come up. |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
45
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Posted - 2012.01.10 01:42:00 -
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CCP Gnauton wrote:There is an initiative underway to revamp a number of module and item names, and the Hardwiring implants are part of that. The solution we'll implement is not at all dissimilar to what you propose. More information on the whole shebang forthcoming shortly.
Cool, when do we get the info? |

Mrs MilkMan
Phlippo Empire Operations
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:42:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:CCP Gnauton wrote:There is an initiative underway to revamp a number of module and item names, and the Hardwiring implants are part of that. The solution we'll implement is not at all dissimilar to what you propose. More information on the whole shebang forthcoming shortly. Hey, will this include adding the suffix "script" to all script names, e.g., "scan resolution script" instead of "scan resolution"? This would make it much easier to find scripts in hangar or on the market, as we could just search for "script" and they'd all come up.
@CCP Gnauton: Can you check if that would be possible? It wouldbe really nice and should be easy if you are updating anyway. Thanks! |

Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
35
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:09:00 -
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It would be nice if you could work slot number into the name as well. |

Miyeon Kim
House Myndranius
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:33:00 -
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I support this, but please please keep the old names in the item description somehow! It's good flavour!
"Occasionally sold under the brand name: 'Gnome KTA10', Zainou has been committed to blah blah blah..." |

Aglais
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:57:00 -
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Why not change some ship names, too?
The Jaguar can become the Kite, Hawk becomes... The Bad, the Cerberus can become the Panda (because it's almost too overspecialized for it's own good), and the Rifter can become 'PvP frigate A'.
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THIS IS STUPID, Renaming things is a pointless change. |

Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:23:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Why not change some ship names, too?
The Jaguar can become the Kite, Hawk becomes... The Bad, the Cerberus can become the Panda (because it's almost too overspecialized for it's own good), and the Rifter can become 'PvP frigate A'.
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THIS IS STUPID, Renaming things is a pointless change.
Caution: exposure to the test server and test server board may cause emotional turmoil in people afraid of change. |

Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:48:00 -
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rather then renaming items why not just improve the search to allow searching for 'mwd' or 'active hardener' , 'lse' etc? I'm sure a lot of people are going to be annoyed at having to learn all the names again and especially the ones for prop mods are very dull and generic and sound nothing like a space game |

Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:02:00 -
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Crazy KSK wrote:rather then renaming items why not just improve the search to allow searching for 'mwd' or 'active hardener' , 'lse' etc? I'm sure a lot of people are going to be annoyed at having to learn all the names again and especially the ones for prop mods are very dull and generic and sound nothing like a space game
It's not about improving the search, though that would be useful also.
It's about letting you immediately see how good a module is without checking its attributes or memorizing names. For example open the market group for stasis webifiers: you'll see list of webs and the only one whose name clearly identifies its quality is the tech 2 one. |

Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2012.01.11 00:45:00 -
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Takeshi Yamato wrote:Crazy KSK wrote:rather then renaming items why not just improve the search to allow searching for 'mwd' or 'active hardener' , 'lse' etc? I'm sure a lot of people are going to be annoyed at having to learn all the names again and especially the ones for prop mods are very dull and generic and sound nothing like a space game It's not about improving the search, though that would be useful also. It's about letting you immediately see how good a module is without checking its attributes or memorizing names. For example open the market group for stasis webifiers: you'll see list of webs and the only ones whose name clearly identifies their quality is the regular tech 1 and the tech 2 ones. The others have arbitrary names that have no relationship to how good they are, or in case of hardwirings, what they actually do. So you want to not have to know anything, but would like the same insight as the people that do? You think that helps you how? After all, you still do not know why it is better, maybe you just bought snake oil because someone told you to? |

Roll Sizzle Beef
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.11 02:55:00 -
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Mioelnir wrote: So you want to not have to know anything, but would like the same insight as the people that do? You think that helps you how? After all, you still do not know why it is better, maybe you just bought snake oil because someone told you to?
Its not even about knowing which is better really. But what its function is. A ZET implant name shows no indication what it actually does. What slot it uses, and bonus amount. The number suffex adjusts with % bonus yet the numbering used is erroneous. There is no benefit being "in the know" of what alpha code is used for any hardware ability. Or what missile name went with what size missile other than saved time in the market. The over saturation of random names per size class helped no-one and should be limited to a family of items. Such as Arablast being meta 4 for any launcher. This makes shopping more expedient. Lets someone get what they want faster. Plus An upgraded search parameter that would allow for key words out of sequence like "Heavy Nova" finding all Nova Heavy missiles should be added someday and would help even more. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.01.13 06:11:00 -
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I hope they don't take our PWNAGE away :( |

Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.14 04:03:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:I hope they don't take our PWNAGE away :(
I didn't even think of this! Sad day. 
I really don't understand why people whine so much about things getting meaningful and consistent names however. If you want to memorize random words just go read some of the more obscure parts of a dictionary. |

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.01.14 04:46:00 -
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CCP Gnauton wrote:There is an initiative underway to revamp a number of module and item names, and the Hardwiring implants are part of that. The solution we'll implement is not at all dissimilar to what you propose. More information on the whole shebang forthcoming shortly. This whole renaming initiative is just wrong. You are dumbing down the game by taking advice from wow rejects. You are destroying years of EVE history and color to make things easier for those who won't put the time in to learn the local culture. Think about it. |

Irumani
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.14 09:32:00 -
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Razin wrote:CCP Gnauton wrote:There is an initiative underway to revamp a number of module and item names, and the Hardwiring implants are part of that. The solution we'll implement is not at all dissimilar to what you propose. More information on the whole shebang forthcoming shortly. This whole renaming initiative is just wrong. You are dumbing down the game by taking advice from the instant gratification crowd. You are destroying years of EVE history and color to make things easier for those who won't put the time in to learn the local culture. Think about it. Edit: some examples of what I really don't like (before/after): "Quad LiF Fueled Booster Rockets" "Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I" "LiF Fueled Booster Rockets" "Experimental 100MN Afterburner I" "Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters" "Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I" "Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters" "Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I" "Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive" "Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I" "Monopropellant Hydrazine Boosters" "Limited 1MN Afterburner I" "Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters" "Experimental 1MN Afterburner I" "Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners" "Experimental 10MN Afterburner I"
EVE is not about remembering strange, unrelated names. Renaming items to make the naming logical and easy to apprehend is not "dumbing down" EVE. You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
- CCP Wrangler |

Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.14 10:42:00 -
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Razin wrote:This whole renaming initiative is just wrong. You are dumbing down the game by taking advice from the instant gratification crowd. You are destroying years of EVE history and color to make things easier for those who won't put the time in to learn the local culture. Think about it.
Oh the humanity...  |

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:12:00 -
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Irumani wrote: EVE is not about remembering strange, unrelated names. Renaming items to make the naming logical and easy to apprehend is not "dumbing down" EVE.
EVE is full of strange and unrelated names. It's part of it's mystique.
Logic and ease of apprehension needs to be in the interface, data sorting ability, search boxes for every text window, etc. Unique names for a fictional world is not where it's at. |

Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.01.15 08:39:00 -
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Irumani wrote:EVE is not about remembering strange, unrelated names. Renaming items to make the naming logical and easy to apprehend is not "dumbing down" EVE.
Irumani wrote:You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
- CCP Wrangler
Look familiar..?
There are some people who like complicated games, and EVE is one of those.
People who use these hardwiring implants are usually players wanting complexity in games. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.15 08:43:00 -
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Headerman wrote:People who use these hardwiring implants are usually players wanting complexity in games.
I use hardwirings and wrote a thread about descriptive hardwiring names... guess why? Because I like to use them. I do not like having to consult some out of game resource to find out what hardwiring I'm actually looking for. |

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:00:00 -
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Takeshi Yamato wrote:Headerman wrote:People who use these hardwiring implants are usually players wanting complexity in games. I use hardwirings and wrote a thread about descriptive hardwiring names. Why? Because I like to use them. I do not like having to consult some out of game resource to find out what hardwiring I'm actually looking for. So we need better tools in game, like that 'variations' table to compare similar modules and ships, only for implants etc.
Changing names is an easy out at the cost of slowly ruining the depth of your world. |

CeneUJiti
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:13:00 -
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Well ECM drones do more or less have ok names? ECM is EC, Target painter is TP, webber is SW (i think) |

Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:24:00 -
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Razin wrote:Changing names is an easy out at the cost of slowly ruining the depth of your world.
It's not being suggested as an easy way out and I highly doubt it's being done for this reason either. Changing names is the best way to convey what an implant (or module) actually does.
Few have any interest in senseless complexity as you do. Senseless because it achieves nothing except making us search longer. |

Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.15 22:33:00 -
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MWD name changes are dumb. (Prototype? Experimental? You're seriously saying that the MWD's we've been using for years are still in the prototype stage?)
Missile name changes are aight but only if they drop the stupid Trauma name.
But implant changes to something remotely intuitive would be a godsend and make me love CCP foreverrrr. |

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
200
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Posted - 2012.01.16 04:34:00 -
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Takeshi Yamato wrote: Few have any interest in senseless complexity as you do. Senseless because it achieves nothing except making us search longer.
Life must be very confusing for you with the myriad 'senseless' names for most everything.
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Irumani
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:25:00 -
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Razin wrote:Takeshi Yamato wrote: Few have any interest in senseless complexity as you do. Senseless because it achieves nothing except making us search longer.
Life must be very confusing for you with the myriad 'senseless' names for most everything.
You do know that EVE is not the real life, right? You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
- CCP Wrangler |

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:00:00 -
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Irumani wrote:Razin wrote:Takeshi Yamato wrote: Few have any interest in senseless complexity as you do. Senseless because it achieves nothing except making us search longer.
Life must be very confusing for you with the myriad 'senseless' names for most everything. You do know that EVE is not the real life, right? How original. You must be one of those people that likes everything explained and digested for you in your entertainment. I guess it's a matter of taste.
The implants are already organized in a way; they are grouped with some sequence within each set. The naming scheme may not be obvious, but that's ok since EVE is pretty much an alien universe thousands of years in the future. This little bit is just one aspect that helps build immersion. |
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