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The S1lenc3er
XTINCTION
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:46:00 -
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 IMO The best caldari pvp ship I have flown is the Rokh, it has a heavy tank, and with 4xHeavy Nos and 4x Neutron Blater II's it can pack a punch while draining a tank
I can't fly a nighthawk but they look pretty mean pvp boats (I mainly do small or solo pvp btw) and was wondering what other peoples opinions on the matter of the best caldari pvp ship
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Beryllium
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:52:00 -
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Crow!
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:52:00 -
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I'd say the crow, just because it is probably the best ship in it's role... however it doesn't come cheap for its longevity 
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Kruel
Save our Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:53:00 -
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Crow.
Caldari needs a bigger ship which can be effectively speed tanked.
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Beryllium
Crow!
I agree with this piratey post.
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The S1lenc3er
XTINCTION
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:56:00 -
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okay okay let me re-phrase
Whats the best solo/small gang (NOT TACKLER) pvp caldari ship?
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:59:00 -
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Giant crow?
(nano cerb/navy cara)
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wettestwillie
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.13 22:02:00 -
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rook is nice 1v1
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Jehovah Cooper
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.13 22:04:00 -
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Well the Crow is at least best or nearly best in class. That is not nearly true of the Rokh. I don't think Caldari is tops in any other class of ship...maybe the Phoenix?
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Jehovah Cooper
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.13 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: wettestwillie
rook is nice 1v1
Yes its good and I hadn't thought of it but still not best in class considering the Curse. It is one of the better Caldari PVP ships though.
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Bosie
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.13 22:08:00 -
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For small gangs I would go for the Falcon every time.
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Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.07.13 23:13:00 -
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Crow's an example of a ship, that's better at it's thing (Orbit at >10km, fast, and do a little damage, and tackle
) than other ships of it's class.
Most caldari ships, however have good range (which is nice, but ... only if they're in tackle range already) and good shield tanks (also nice, but only if you don't need a MWD/Web/Scram/cap booster).
In return for being slow and having poor damage (even if you _do_ fill your lows with damage mods)
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Tazusa
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: The S1lenc3er
okay okay let me re-phrase
Whats the best solo/small gang (NOT TACKLER) pvp caldari ship?
none.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.07.14 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: kill0rbunny on 14/07/2007 00:18:39
Bantam with Pulse lasers and speed tank
Second Best: Nightelf.
I pew therefore I am.
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Captain Crimson
United Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.14 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny
Edited by: kill0rbunny on 14/07/2007 00:18:39
Bantam with Pulse lasers and speed tank
Second Best: Nightelf.
Originally by: Tuxford
I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.07.14 06:50:00 -
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Raven can work in that respect, I hear (Armour tank + EW).
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.14 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Raven can work in that respect, I hear (Armour tank + EW).
U also need dictor and recon :]
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.07.14 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Raven can work in that respect, I hear (Armour tank + EW).
U also need dictor and recon :]
24k disruptor + Web. Why do you need a dictor and recon?
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Taliac
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.14 08:13:00 -
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Snip Eagle.
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Dryxonedes Sae
Whine Distillery
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Posted - 2007.07.14 08:45:00 -
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It takes a lot of skill and/or luck to make it work, but a beagle (blaster eagle) can be quite effective. Produces substantial dps, resist bonus on top of HAC resists allow you to free up some slots for tackle. Only real problem being you can only fit an afterburner not a MWD, so you rely on landing near someone to put them down. As a solo tool that's not a crow, it's reasonable.
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lyrenna
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.14 08:47:00 -
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suicidal blarpy
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Xonkra
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.14 11:15:00 -
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Rattlesnake ?
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
No matter how you want to say it.. it always sounds like
*frog clearing throat* "Ve zurrendur, dunt schuut"
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.07.14 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tazusa
Originally by: The S1lenc3er
okay okay let me re-phrase
Whats the best solo/small gang (NOT TACKLER) pvp caldari ship?
none.
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The S1lenc3er
XTINCTION
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Posted - 2007.07.14 15:40:00 -
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I think some people are misreading the post, especially those that say there are no caldari pvp ships
I am not asking which are the best IN COMPARISON TO EVERYHITNG ELSE
I am asking which is the best CALDARI PVP SHIP (ie if all of the non-capital cladari ships were to have consecutive 1 vs 1 matches who would win overall?) or something on the lines of that
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Rafein
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Posted - 2007.07.14 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: The S1lenc3er
okay okay let me re-phrase
Whats the best solo/small gang (NOT TACKLER) pvp caldari ship?
Blackbird.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:06:00 -
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Blackbird has great survivability in solo PvP. If you are looking for a cheap ship to travel around lowsec without being caught, that's a good start!
...wait, you want to kill something? Oh, I'm sorry.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
STK Scientific
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz
Giant crow?
(nano cerb/navy cara)
lol
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:10:00 -
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Quote:
Blackbird has great survivability in solo PvP. If you are looking for a cheap ship to travel around lowsec without being caught, that's a good start!
...wait, you want to kill something? Oh, I'm sorry.
Yeah if you want to kill something go ahead and train another race right now. Or you can always gank some newbs in destroyers.
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:11:00 -
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Raven can work in that respect, I hear (Armour tank + EW).
Yeah it can do that, but its sub par at doing so. I'd much rather have a mymridon running an armor tank and ewar with some 250mm rails then a raven doing this. Oh don't forget myrm will out damage raven with said setups too.
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Groves111
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 05:47:00 -
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I reckon the scorpion, crow, caracal are the best solo pvp ships for caldari. My reason for this are you can fit tackle gear on them whilst keeping a tank of some sort, they are relatively cheap.
As for the best pvp ship, I'd have to say its between, raven or nighthawk. With my raven i can fit a pretty decent tank and do enough dps to kill another BS without too much difficulty. The nighthawk is a mean ship, very tough tank and a serious amount of dps (Cerberus on steroids). But as most caldari ships go, they require to be in a gang to be effective because fitting tackle gear will cripple your shield tank in most cases.
If you need any tips for fitting caldari pvp boats send me an evemail.
Thanks, Groves111.
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Caldari needs a bigger ship which can be effectively speed tanked.
No, they really don't.
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Groves111
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: Kruel
Caldari needs a bigger ship which can be effectively speed tanked.
No, they really don't.
Yeah, I have to agree with Foulis here. Doing this will over power caldari ships even more.
Caldari ships are generally missile boats, missiles don't really care how fast you move unlike turrets.
Speed tanking other ships reduces their damage because the turrets don't track fast enough, if this were the case with a caldari missile boat, it would be dealing the exact amount of dps without the need for a real shield tank, in turn this would make caldari ships even more over powered than they already are.
Some may flame me for saying this, but I myself am a Caldari only pilot so I know the extent of caldari ships.
If you wish to PvP in a caldari ship, you must adapt your techniques to fight in them.
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Incantare
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.15 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Groves111
in turn this would make caldari ships even more over powered than they already are.
That's a bold statement, care to back it up?
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Amarr knight
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.07.15 07:35:00 -
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Well among caldari best would be Crow hands down. no need to explain this.
Second best as someone said , nano cerb/navy caracal, with proper fitting they are quite good.
Drake/Nighthawk if u want to be bait.
Raven is good in a all raven gang. Works well but others can do better.
A gist tanked/cap boosted rook with 1-2 ecm is a half decent solo ship if anyone bothers spending a bil on the ship :). Very impractical though where money is a concern.
Raven navy issue works well when u need wave your epeen.
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Groves111
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Groves111 on 15/07/2007 08:31:18
Originally by: Incantare
Originally by: Groves111
in turn this would make caldari ships even more over powered than they already are.
That's a bold statement, care to back it up?
Sure, you can engage at pretty much any range, you don't have to refit ammo for different ranges, there is no falloff and your missile hits on targets will always be the same provided your target doesn't change speed, there is no need to really get closer to your target. Caldari get the ECM bonus ships. They also rip through NPC's better than any other race :P
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.07.15 10:00:00 -
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crow......
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Bosie
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.15 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Groves111
Caldari ships are generally missile boats, missiles don't really care how fast you move unlike turrets.
Best you go check on how missiles work and what Explosion Velocity is before making comments like that.
For a solo ship you can always take out a Rook, but I again I stress that a Falcon is great for small gang support. Caldari ships tend to play the support role and can give a small gang a massive edge, if you want to solo fly another race.
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Posted - 2007.07.15 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Feyona on 15/07/2007 10:52:45
Forgive me if I'm wrong, have not been playing for very long, but I thought explosion velocity affects how much damage you do based on how fast your target is moving, not you yourself, hence why the Crow is good, no?
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.15 10:57:00 -
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As far as i know, if you orbit someone, your own speed is also not effecting your tracking.
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cytomatrix
Caldari
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.07.15 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Groves111
Edited by: Groves111 on 15/07/2007 08:31:18
Originally by: Incantare
Originally by: Groves111
in turn this would make caldari ships even more over powered than they already are.
That's a bold statement, care to back it up?
Sure, you can engage at pretty much any range, you don't have to refit ammo for different ranges, there is no falloff and your missile hits on targets will always be the same provided your target doesn't change speed, there is no need to really get closer to your target. Caldari get the ECM bonus ships. They also rip through NPC's better than any other race :P
Yes, caldari can engage at any range, but your target is gonna fk off if you are not within 20-24km from him and he is scrambled unless you got a tackler. If you do have tackler you can use pretty much any ship to snipe. Missiles always hit, but they do crap damage. Caldari is only good for ECM and NPCing imo.
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Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.07.15 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
As far as i know, if you orbit someone, your own speed is also not effecting your tracking.
You'd be wrong. Orbiting at speed messes with your tracking as much as it messes with theirs.
*shrug* acceptable ships for PvP as caldari:
Kestrel (Does actually, quite a fierce amount of damage)
Crow (Orbit, spam light missiles, 'nuff said)
Flycatcher (Fly it like a crow. More firepower, bit less speed, and dictor bubbles)
Caracal - heavy missiles, and ewar. Don't bother with the tank.
Blackbird - jam jam jam
Cerb - bigger, more expensive caracal, but you might be able to get a sensible fit with HAMs
Falcon - Jam and cloak
Rook - Jam and Jam (and a a bit of damage, but probably less than a caracal)
Nighthawk - Tanks, gang assists, does some damage.
Raven - damage isn't that great, compared to other ships, unless you put several damage mods in your lows. 6 mids gives some options though, and 5 lows means it can just about armour tank if you really want.
Scorpion - it's a BS, and it jams things. Of course, it's also fat, slow, and does no damage. ANd if you want to be acceptable at being able to jam, you also get no tank. But it's a BS, that can jam things.
Rokh - newbies sniper. Can do 180km optimal with a T1 fit, which means it's actually worth someone who can't use T2 guns flying in a fleet. Can also do blasters, with a long optimal, but being fat and slow (and a shield tanker) makes that a bit harder to pull off.
Most of these require 'support' to work well, and ... well, when you've got some friends to hold them down, it's still the case that other ships do a better job.
Things Caldari can do that other races can't:
Missiles - if you fire missiles, you can do damage whilst orbiting them on MWD. Not many other races can do this. (Of course, your ships are fat and slow, and short on lowslots, so if you nano up to get fast enough, you lose a lot of damage)
Midslots - you have more mids, which means you can use more ewar. Of course, that also costs you tanking, but ... in a gang situation, EW > Tank anyway.
ECMs. The dedicated ECM platforms are severely handicapped these days, since the ECM nerf. However, it remains the case that these are really the only options for it. An ECM ship does rubbish damage, and has no tank, and is fat and slow. But, it does have it's place. In many situations, you're still better off with a different ship, fit with damps, or actual damage output, but not always.
... also, I don't think anyones disputing that missiles + shield tanks are brilliant for PvE.
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Kermis
Caldari
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.07.15 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
As far as i know, if you orbit someone, your own speed is also not effecting your tracking.
Actually it does, which is kinda odd, yeah...
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