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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 14/07/2007 13:20:34
Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 14/07/2007 13:17:28
The question is pretty serious, because gallente ships get another bonus on top.
Where is the disadvantage that balances the huge drone bay they get?
Cargohold.. hm no, gallente ships have more cargo compared to caldari ships in same tier
Speed/mass.. no obviously not
Slots?.. hm no the same
Fitting?.. well not really
I would suggest that there is no fixed drone bay on a ship.. you need to fit a lowslot module which gives you a dronebay.
I wont bring arguments here, since i realised, that a lot of people here have "Ignore hard facts"-skill level 5.
Edit/Add:
Price?.. oh no gallente ships need less minerals to build them... EVERY mineral
Edit2: have to correct myself.. the rokh needs less than a hyperion
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Judas Lonestar
Ganja Labs
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:14:00 -
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You didnt read the patch notes??
Gallente are supposed to be the best at everything, except doing missions where its supposed to be a toss up.
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Soros
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Judas Lonestar
You didnt read the patch notes??
Gallente are supposed to be the best at everything, except doing missions where its supposed to be a toss up.
yes, gallente the famous roaming ships ..
oh wait, thats minmatar .. ah, must be fleet ships, mmm no minmatar again !!
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Soros
Originally by: Judas Lonestar
You didnt read the patch notes??
Gallente are supposed to be the best at everything, except doing missions where its supposed to be a toss up.
yes, gallente the famous roaming ships ..
oh wait, thats minmatar .. ah, must be fleet ships, mmm no minmatar again !!
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king jks
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:23:00 -
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Tbh, until I get the ability to shoot your guns off your ship, stfu.
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:24:00 -
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The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.
Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.
Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.
And domi got close to no pg
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: king jks
Tbh, until I get the ability to shoot your guns off your ship, stfu.
I would call that nos domi.. thx for nobrainer...
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.
Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.
And domi got close to no pg
Plz check the cpu/pg of a t2 fitted siege laucher raven ( a cruise missile raven does significantly less).
And why is armor tanking worse than shield tanking for npc?
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.
Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.
And domi got close to no pg
Plz check the cpu/pg of a t2 fitted siege laucher raven ( a cruise missile raven does significantly less).
And why is armor tanking worse than shield tanking for npc?
Coz its slower, and at least on raven u can fit full rack of bs sized guns and bs tank, on domi its not possible :]
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Judas Lonestar
Ganja Labs
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Soros
Originally by: Judas Lonestar
You didnt read the patch notes??
Gallente are supposed to be the best at everything, except doing missions where its supposed to be a toss up.
yes, gallente the famous roaming ships ..
oh wait, thats minmatar .. ah, must be fleet ships, mmm no minmatar again !!
Most gangs I've seen are pretty well split between Minnie and Gallente. Minni for the speed and Gallente for the "Damnit I'm dead".
But then again I'm deluded into thinking the Gallente make the Thorax, Brutix, Myrmidon and Mega so my opinion may be off. 
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.
Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.
And domi got close to no pg
Plz check the cpu/pg of a t2 fitted siege laucher raven ( a cruise missile raven does significantly less).
And why is armor tanking worse than shield tanking for npc?
Coz its slower, and at least on raven u can fit full rack of bs sized guns and bs tank, on domi its not possible :]
Well 5 t2 sentries deal pretty much the same damage, have selective damage types and dont cost a single isk for ammo usage...
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Djerin on 14/07/2007 13:43:09
nvm
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Belenkas
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:48:00 -
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A strange OP, gotta say.
What would you tell if you would need a lowslot module - launcher slot - to field missile launcher in the high slot? Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
Some Gallente ships are better with guns, thus not having large dronebay, and other ships are drone boats, thus are quite bad on turrets, but to compensate, they have the bigger drone bay.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Belenkas
A strange OP, gotta say.
What would you tell if you would need a lowslot module - launcher slot - to field missile launcher in the high slot? Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
Some Gallente ships are better with guns, thus not having large dronebay, and other ships are drone boats, thus are quite bad on turrets, but to compensate, they have the bigger drone bay.
You get drones ADDITIONAL to your guns on a gallente ship, cant you see that?
Plz look again... Megathron.. bad with guns?
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Originally by: Belenkas
A strange OP, gotta say.
What would you tell if you would need a lowslot module - launcher slot - to field missile launcher in the high slot? Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
Some Gallente ships are better with guns, thus not having large dronebay, and other ships are drone boats, thus are quite bad on turrets, but to compensate, they have the bigger drone bay.
You get drones ADDITIONAL to your guns on a gallente ship, cant you see that?
Plz look again... Megathron.. bad with guns?
Man, Mega ain't the only ship with 125m3 dronebay. The Geddon has it too. And what about the Typhoon? You're crying because there ain't no droneboat for Caldari. But do you see anyone crying about no missileboat for Gallente? If you want to use drones go get a f*cking Gallente boat. But please cut your rubbish posts...
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Djerin
Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Originally by: Belenkas
A strange OP, gotta say.
What would you tell if you would need a lowslot module - launcher slot - to field missile launcher in the high slot? Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
Some Gallente ships are better with guns, thus not having large dronebay, and other ships are drone boats, thus are quite bad on turrets, but to compensate, they have the bigger drone bay.
You get drones ADDITIONAL to your guns on a gallente ship, cant you see that?
Plz look again... Megathron.. bad with guns?
Man, Mega ain't the only ship with 125m3 dronebay. The Geddon has it too. And what about the Typhoon? You're crying because there ain't no droneboat for Caldari. But do you see anyone crying about no missileboat for Gallente? If you want to use drones go get a f*cking Gallente boat. But please cut your rubbish posts...
Maybe you didnt realise, that are both tier 1 bs.. now plz go and check the Tempest and the Apocalypse...
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Djerin on 14/07/2007 14:21:57
So? Would you like to change damage types too? I mean it is so unfair that Minmatar and Caldari can chose their damage type. Let's change alle weaponry so that everybody does the same damage. And while we're on it we could even up hitpoints and resistances. It's so unfair Minmatar are faster, so nerf their speed! And everybody should have the same slot layout, because come on, that would clearly make it more balanced. And wtf? Minmatar have less cap! Let's even up that one too.
Cool, i just realized how easy it would be to finally balance the game. Tux must be an idiot for not already having noticed this solution. 
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Susan Acid
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:24:00 -
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A low slot for a Drone bay you say?
What a great idea.Then,EVERY ship could be a drone boat.
Sure.Then I can have an Ares that has the same drone space as a Domi.
I have a suggestion for you.Train Gallente.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.
Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.
Ive never been able to disable a domis nos or guns without blowing up the whole ship so what exactly was your point here?
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Susan Acid
A low slot for a Drone bay you say?
What a great idea.Then,EVERY ship could be a drone boat.
Sure.Then I can have an Ares that has the same drone space as a Domi.
I have a suggestion for you.Train Gallente.
Well every ship can use autocannons right? some better.. some worse.. but atm gallente gets more drones than everybody else FOR FREE and there is nothing that makes it up... they are very fast, have extrem high damage, have best slot layouts.. very effiecient in fleets as well as in solo.. where is any disadvantage that tells you: "I wont use Gallente in that situation..?"
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Susan Acid
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.
Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.
Ive never been able to disable a domis nos or guns without blowing up the whole ship so what exactly was your point here?
90% of PvP Domis don't have guns.Drones can be destroyed/disabled.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Susan Acid
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.
Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.
Ive never been able to disable a domis nos or guns without blowing up the whole ship so what exactly was your point here?
90% of PvP Domis don't have guns.Drones can be destroyed/disabled.
Have you ever tried that against a skilled pilot? Large drones are uberly tough on a domi and since this stupid scoop relaunch "i think it is"-exploit works.. you just waste your firepower on them while you die.
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Kye Kenshin
Martial.
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:40:00 -
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I swear when people like Calmdown were around this forum wasn't half as stupid as it is now.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I swear when people like Calmdown were around this forum wasn't half as stupid as it is now.
Thx for useless spamming
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Rusty PwnStar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:43:00 -
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As a Caldari char, you will miss out on flying Gallente ships..... oh wait
Jeez it's a no brainer.
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Selia Rain
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:52:00 -
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Have you ever tried fitting, you know, guns on a dominix?
Or even getting a workable armor tanked large blaster fit?
Or, you know, fitting more than 2 heavy nos on a domi?
Dominix has gimped powergrid for a reason.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Susan Acid
Oh great!Now he's picking on all Gallente ships.
If you cant add anything usefull, plz dont add anything.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Selia Rain
Have you ever tried fitting, you know, guns on a dominix?
Or even getting a workable armor tanked large blaster fit?
Or, you know, fitting more than 2 heavy nos on a domi?
Dominix has gimped powergrid for a reason.
Plz try to fit a raven with similar dps, same tank and the same tackling gear as a domi can...
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:56:00 -
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He must have received some serious spankage recently by a Gallentean ship.
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