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Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:43:00 - [31] For this tournament they should create a special system with 2 jumpgates around 50KM apart. No sun, no planets, no celestial objects at all. The competitors start in a different system and when the word is given are allowed to jump in. By doing this it's a bit better than just having the ships sitting there and saying "go". Of course the real reason is the system they're jumping into will have all sorts of CCP staff in it, and when they jump in we might get a de-sync, which would humiliate CCP enough to fix it and stop adding nonsense features. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Domos Attom Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:52:00 - [32] So this is going to turn into one of these things like, heat, pos guns outside shields, walking in stations... All these things that players REALLY WANTED But doesnt CCP pride itself on listening to its players?
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:52:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Sharkbait (...) Posting on CAOD's forum without showing his corp/alliance name is not allowed... Sorry I just had to I prefer option 2. ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Anubis Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.15 18:00:00 - [34] The Grand Prize should be an X-Large Tower BPO. Six monthes before they get seeded. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Cividari Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.15 18:14:00 - [35] The logs from the chat if anyone wanna read
SkyCaptain	Posted - 2007.07.15 18:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Martyr 01 Originally by: DHB WildCat The point of this tourny to is to try and help alliances behind the pvp'ers. It will not reward pvp in any form. It is intended to reward the alliance as a whole WIldCat Even with that stated aim those prizes are awful. A faction pos? One of these will mean absolutely nothing to any alliance consisting of more than a handful people. 18bil? Peanuts to any vaguely competent alliance. Standings to a faction? Don't know how to respond but with laughter tbh. Seriously CCP....is that some kind of inside joke that we're not getting? [P.S all tiers of bs having the same points value is logically equivalent to saying tier 1 bs = tier 2 = tier 3; which is surely patently absurd unless I've been taking stupid pills and can't see the obvious truth.] [P.P.S If you want to have an event to benefit miners and mission runners....why on earth make it the PVP tournament?] [P.P.P.S Stop drinking those old bottles of quafe, I think they're doing things to your heads] what is up with all the hostility? chill ppl... this is "supposed" to be for fun... a game... BoB takes EVE way to seriously IMO! btw... i think either the 18 billion ISK or the faction ships are the best prizes
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.15 18:52:00 - [37] [ 2007.07.15 15:44:36 ] GM Nova > I'll be honest with you when I say that rewards from the last tourney were, way over the top. And that is almost an understatement. The prises were sold of for such an ammount it changed the political landscape of EVE, and that must not happen. Interesting OPINION.
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:00:00 - [38] so we have a couple of mothership and carrier packages befor so about 20bil mineral costs or 35bil on the market as its impossible to build or buy motherships completely safely. then we had faction battle ships that ended up with a market value of 40billion each. now we have the chance of a faction pos WOW..... no really WOW so anyone in 0.0 stands a chance of geting a large bpc so once an aliance has that they biuld the towers sell them off and use the isk to buy the death star on offer. ok so the pos isnt the best prise really, well lets face it you are offering the biggest waste of eve players times as a prise. did you really think we want another pos to keep filling with silly junk every week ok so we have 18bil isk, so a prize a couple of bil lighter than the carier/mom deal for base biuld cost or many billions lower than the market valule of that price and far lower than the faction BS's value. so you what teams to uses faction ships and faction implants with the risk of poding to said implants to only get 18bil out of it im betting some teams were planing on usesing a good percenage of 18bil on there ships and fittings. but has there is always alliance wide standings these will help so much to any normal aliance tat has players for all over eve usesing all agents. but i guess its nice having having a liked by coloum on your alliance information page. we could look like bob, wont that be nice to look at. this being all its worth as its meant to not work and has aparently not added bob in doing blood raider missions the last few months, then again it could be working and then they just be lieing to cover up the devs helping them but forgetting the tinfol for a sec you are offering a price that you seem to accidentally already given to bob
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:07:00 - [39] If you're looking for industrial orientated prizes, then go for outpost platforms or upgrades. If you're looking for the ultimate carebear toy then Impocs or State ravens type thing, or a faction freighter. Galaxian Recruitment Info
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:12:00 - [40] Originally by: TWD [ 2007.07.15 15:44:36 ] GM Nova > I'll be honest with you when I say that rewards from the last tourney were, way over the top. And that is almost an understatement. The prises were sold of for such an ammount it changed the political landscape of EVE, and that must not happen. Interesting OPINION. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.

Peoke Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:14:00 - [41] the point scheme is wrong where also each type of frigate has its seperate use. stating a rifter is worth the same as a vigil shouldnt happen. yes itd take more time to actually figure proper points for each ship but in the end it will mean more tem work and tactics during the fight. also it will mean more out of the box pvp.
5n4keyes Sacred Templars DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:16:00 - [42] To be honest, this tourny has obviously being run by someone who has had very limited pvp experiance, and has never watched a previous pvp tourny! This tourny is going to be like Tourny 2, people will either turtle tank, or they will EW and Dampen so damn badly, its going to be boring to watch! Then we look at the prizes... wtf, come on seriously, its been said CCP dont want to see BoB win every year, well what insentive is there to smaller alliances, who maybe dont have the skills or isk to signup? Now as for the point system... it sucks, so badly i could spend all day saying how sucky it is, and allowing half the stuff they have is going to make this tourny very very very boring to watch, so thank god for the freeview! Seriously CCP, sit down and listen to what those who know how to pvp, and know what would make them wanna come pew pew have to say!
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:24:00 - [43] Stuff it. Here's Stamm's Rules. ______________________ No implants. No faction ships. No faction/cosmos modules. Standard T1, or named, or T2 only. T2 ammo permitted. All EW permitted. Drones permitted. 7 ships per team, at least 1 cruiser or destroyer class (HAC/recon/dictor is fine) at least 1 frigate (inty is fine. So 5 battleships a HAC and a stealth bomber would be fine. Or 6 interceptors and a destroyer too. Teams start 20KM in opposite directions from a marker. If a ship goes outside of 75KM from the marker the ship is popped. All ships and modules to be replaced after each round. 1bil deposit required, failure to turn up for a round voids this. Prizes - whatever you want, doesn't have to be anything other than "Winner". Galaxian Recruitment Info
Rubkis Cube	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:25:00 - [44] TBFH nothing that ccp does would surprise me. My main is banned from the forums forever, for making a joke about CCP stealing and giving stuff to BOB. What did CCP say when I complained? Serathu sent me a sarcastic e-mail telling me the ban stood and 'to have a nice day' CCP mods suck donkey a55...
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.07.15 20:02:00 - [45] Edited by: I SoStoned on 15/07/2007 20:05:40 Yeah yeah yeah, whatever.
PhoenixDawn Gallente Forge Regional Security	Posted - 2007.07.15 20:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Project Chick hai maybe if we make teh rulez stupid enough and the prizes worthless, bob wont play and someone else can snag a meaningless victory lolz QFT!!! Why do they keep on with this whole unbalanced as heck tourney thing, anyway? Everyone knows ISK = teh win, and BoB has the most ISK to throw at it. What's with the prizes... lowering the threshold between ISK invested v/ returns so BoB won't stick their soiled fingers into the til? IMO they suck, even the ISK reward. As for the points system... I sure as heck hope that implants are included in the points used (and all pilots are scanned for them prior to each event).
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.15 20:48:00 - [47] We should have a mining competition.
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.15 20:53:00 - [48] should be a karaoke contest
other mickey Gallente Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2007.07.15 21:02:00 - [49] Prizes should be equal or better than last tourney AND should include the standings increase. I mean come on, at least give alliances something to work towards. Knowing that they will be able to have the ISK to take on BOB will be a big incentive to compete, and for BOB, they will want to get it for themselves, if only to prevent anyone else from getting it. The political landscape has already changed, and unless you wish to undo what has happened in the past (which you can't do now can you) the only fair thing to do is give someone else the chance to get a great big boost! And such a prize would certainly benefit the whole alliance. Do you not think the previous winners' alliance members are not currently enjoying not being kicked out of their home?
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.15 21:07:00 - [50] Originally by: other mickey Prizes should be equal or better than last tourney AND should include the standings increase. I mean come on, at least give alliances something to work towards. Knowing that they will be able to have the ISK to take on BOB will be a big incentive to compete, and for BOB, they will want to get it for themselves, if only to prevent anyone else from getting it. The political landscape has already changed, and unless you wish to undo what has happened in the past (which you can't do now can you) the only fair thing to do is give someone else the chance to get a great big boost! And such a prize would certainly benefit the whole alliance. Do you not think the previous winners' alliance members are not currently enjoying not being kicked out of their home? I disagree. The prizes should have minimal impact on things. A custom ship or two is fine. The main pupose of winning should be to be the winner. Giving an alliance enough to compete with BoB would mean a prize of several hundred billion. And even then you'd have an alliance with the money but not the players etc. I'm very much in favour of making the ISK barrier as minimal as possible - see my above suggestion for rules. I believe with the rules I suggested we would see a good tournament, with varied tactics and a much higher participation. Galaxian Recruitment Info

Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.07.15 21:17:00 - [51] OH THE DRAMA. Ugh. I've already stated my discontent with the current advertised prizes and rules. The last tournament was not interesting for most of it's fights, and it does not look like the issues that caused that have been addressed here (LOLDAMPS). ---- All you do is bark, you never meow
Etto Neppeo ENACO	Posted - 2007.07.15 21:24:00 - [52] Edited by: Etto Neppeo on 15/07/2007 21:25:06 Last tourny rewards were good but apparently the problem with them was the price they fetched on player market. It's strange the CCP finds this a problem. you see the price is dictated by demand and supply. Surely any unique ship will fetch silly amount of isk... So if you don't want the price to be such huge, increase the supply.. Which ccp won't do. So ok here is an idea for you. If you want a decent prize but don't want the market to dictate its isk value, then make the prize tied to the character who received it. In other words, award the unique implant set, marginally better than existing pirate sets, and issued by empire faction (for RP explanation). The sets should be implanted into the jump clone of choice for all winning team members. Like the state ships issued for the last tourny, these prize implant sets shouldn't be available by any other means in game. To avoid legit selling of the sets via character transfer, tie the characters to an account until the implants clone gets pod killed.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.15 21:38:00 - [53] Edited by: Farham on 15/07/2007 21:39:20 Quote: I disagree. The prizes should have minimal impact on things. A custom ship or two is fine. The main pupose of winning should be to be the winner. I fully agree with this sentiment. The prizes in the past were ridiculous and making them better? The point of a PVP contest is to anoint the top PVPers for a year...not throw out 700 Billion ISK in game altering prize loot. Give them statues or name sytems after them, the idea of a PVP winner should be all in "fame". It is pretty clear from much of the reactions that the tournament has turned into a simple attempt at instant mega-wealth. I say do it on the test server and make all implants and ships available to participants so the only real thing that ends up getting tested is skill. Or can we have an industrialist tournament where the prize is a few motherships or maybe a free egg or three? MINERS UNITE! Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.15 21:45:00 - [54] Originally by: TWD [ 2007.07.15 15:44:36 ] GM Nova > I'll be honest with you when I say that rewards from the last tourney were, way over the top. And that is almost an understatement. The prises were sold of for such an ammount it changed the political landscape of EVE, and that must not happen. Interesting OPINION. Btw, we sold 2 ships together for 130b and have 5 of them left. GM Nova doesn't know what happened to the ISK or if we spent something of it at all. So I find that statement a bit strange and inaccurate in my view.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.15 21:50:00 - [55] Quote: Btw, we sold 2 ships together for 130b and have 5 of them left. You don't view that as a problem? Not even a little one? 130B buys a titan...buys a BIG contact (hrmm)...buys 4 stations...buys some VERY NICE BPOs...buys 5 Motherships at current market prices...and so on and so on And you still have 5 more which if we assume sell for 50 bil a piece is 250 Billion more... I can see GM Nova's statements being dead on. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.07.15 21:50:00 - [56] Originally by: TWD Originally by: TWD [ 2007.07.15 15:44:36 ] GM Nova > I'll be honest with you when I say that rewards from the last tourney were, way over the top. And that is almost an understatement. The prises were sold of for such an ammount it changed the political landscape of EVE, and that must not happen. Interesting OPINION. Btw, we sold 2 ships together for 130b and have 5 of them left. GM Nova doesn't know what happened to the ISK or if we spent something of it at all. So I find that statement a bit strange and inaccurate in my view. Were these the Corvus or whatever the pimped ravens were called? Not realy worth that much isk, but I guess to collectors they are. However your post validates what the GM Nova said. 130B is enough for a mothership plus a titan, and if you still have 5 of the 7 left, then with similar prices these could finance 2 more titans plus 2 more motherships. A total value of 3 titans and 3 motherships DOES indeed have potential to influence balance a tiny bit. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.15 22:08:00 - [57] Wait, are you actually reading my post. The potential to change the political landscape with the ISK from selling all 7 ships is there. Has the political landscape changed due the ISK from the last tournament? Not in my view. That is why I see GM Nova's comment as being strange. If the line was just "has the potential", then sure, ok, cool. Yeah I agree with that. Do I mind it? No.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.15 22:08:00 - [58] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 15/07/2007 22:11:07 As Im sure the larger alliances have noticed, 130 billion is being called a lot by the small guys, who think 1 billion is a lot of money. /me cant believe he's going to do this. BoB won those tourneys fairly, and the prizes were incredible. They were the reason that everyone wanted to win. Peoples eyes would light up in hopes of taking some of these beauties home. They would field nano machs to bump others out of the arena (gf MC), they would risk Imperial Apocs only two of which were in game and lose it in an incredible journey (gf, IAC,Tyrrax). Everyone was giving it their all and coming up with lavish plans of victory. Bhaalgorns, Navy Vexors / Cararcals. Battlecruiser gangs. It was actually cool to see. After it was all said and done BoB won the tournament and everyone else, was like well get em next time 8). Today I see faces saddened, as they look at the prize....18 bil!!?? I personally have that much is assets. One guy has 18 bil to his name. My corp mates have a bit of isk as well. BoB, MC, MM, Razor, FIX, -A-, RA, GOON. The list goes on. All these entities laugh at 18 bil, and curse at 1.8 bil per pilot. This is an insult to 90 percent of alliances in this tournament. If you are in the 10 percent that think 18bil is a lot, or even 130 bil. Then you are a small and new alliance, in low sec. 130 Bil does NOT buy a titan. It can buy several MoM's or outposts. However Im telling you that BoB already had the ISK. Most everyone in 0.0 does. I know that CCP knows a lot about how the mechanics of the game works, they maintain it and update it, which is extremely hard. However I wonder if they know anything about the actual gameplay. About what set-ups beat other ones, about who controls ISK in spcae, about gang and fleet warfare. They may have made the game and play it, but they are just another pod pilot when it comes down to it. The tournament if not held by someone that has an idea of actual pvp, should then be held by guys like SATAN, Sellene, Darknesss, Sir Molle, and the other elite pod pilots to come up with the rules, and what would be deemed fair prizes. These people know the game and THE PLAYER BASE far better than any employee at CCP. Maybe its time to leave these things to the professionals? WildCat
Waragha 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.15 22:14:00 - [59] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 15/07/2007 22:11:07 As Im sure the larger alliances have noticed, 130 billion is being called a lot by the small guys, who think 1 billion is a lot of money. /me cant believe he's going to do this. BoB won those tourneys fairly, and the prizes were incredible. They were the reason that everyone wanted to win. Peoples eyes would light up in hopes of taking some of these beauties home. They would field nano machs to bump others out of the arena (gf MC), they would risk Imperial Apocs only two of which were in game and lose it in an incredible journey (gf, IAC,Tyrrax). Everyone was giving it their all and coming up with lavish plans of victory. Bhaalgorns, Navy Vexors / Cararcals. Battlecruiser gangs. It was actually cool to see. After it was all said and done BoB won the tournament and everyone else, was like well get em next time 8). Today I see faces saddened, as they look at the prize....18 bil!!?? I personally have that much is assets. One guy has 18 bil to his name. My corp mates have a bit of isk as well. BoB, MC, MM, Razor, FIX, -A-, RA, GOON. The list goes on. All these entities laugh at 18 bil, and curse at 1.8 bil per pilot. This is an insult to 90 percent of alliances in this tournament. If you are in the 10 percent that think 18bil is a lot, or even 130 bil. Then you are a small and new alliance, in low sec. 130 Bil does NOT buy a titan. It can buy several MoM's or outposts. However Im telling you that BoB already had the ISK. Most everyone in 0.0 does. I know that CCP knows a lot about how the mechanics of the game works, they maintain it and update it, which is extremely hard. However I wonder if they know anything about the actual gameplay. About what set-ups beat other ones, about who controls ISK in spcae, about gang and fleet warfare. They may have made the game and play it, but they are just another pod pilot when it comes down to it. The tournament if not held by someone that has an idea of actual pvp, should then be held by guys like SATAN, Sellene, Darknesss, Sir Molle, and the other elite pod pilots to come up with the rules, and what would be deemed fair prizes. These people know the game and THE PLAYER BASE far better than any employee at CCP. Maybe its time to leave these things to the professionals? WildCat That would make too much sense.
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.15 22:25:00 - [60] The prize for this is easy (well code wise it could be a complete pain in the ass): The winning alliance is 'given' a station in a Caldari State system. We aren't talking Kisogo or Jita, but some system in the State would get a statiion, labeled like the NPC ones, placed, only it would be owned by a corporation of the alliance that won. IE: Komo I - Moon 2 - Vale Heavy Industries Assembly Plant Even if it was VHI's only in name, it would be a prize that would be worth fighting for, afterall, who else could claim to 'own' a station in empire? Belt piracy isnt what it used to be.



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