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Whalesaver mega mining corporation Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 12:11:00 - [91] To those people who are saying 130 billion isk is somehow not disproportionate, I would humbly suggest that maybe you are myopic when it comes to the vast majority of EVE players and their alliances. If we are talking about major alliances e.g. BoB, FIX or supercorps like BE then perhaps this is fair comment, however I would doubt that your game experience is a fair reflection of the average experience. I am pretty confident in guessing that for >90% of Alliances, 130 billion would make a very, very large difference to their activities. However without hard figures it is speculation. ----------------------- Doesn't shoot first Will ask questions later And enjoys a nice cup of tea
Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.16 12:17:00 - [92] Originally by: Whalesaver I am pretty confident in guessing that for >90% of Alliances, 130 billion would make a very, very large difference to their activities. Agreed. Motherships are nice rewards for something like this, alliances always want motherships and there pretty hard to get hold of but not impossible. They are also not worth 100b+ to anyone. ---
Heelay Ashrum Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies	Posted - 2007.07.16 12:44:00 - [93] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Wrayeth EVE is turning away from tactics and more to strategy. For those of us who don't enjoy the latter in this form of game, it's destroyed the very things that have made the game fun for the last three years. Agreed. Strategy games aren't as fun when you're the chess piece, rather than the chessmaster. Sir, if you don't mind, I'll add your statement in my signature !!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.16 12:48:00 - [94] Completely agree with the comments made by Victor Abyss about the pride and joy of fighting being the reason to enter. And I also agree that having smaller prizes may well make the playing field more level because people will be less inclined to risk a ridiculous amount of isk in their acquisition. However. It is utterly wrong to allow the use of rare pirate implants and then disallow podding. That is simply awarding a huge advantage to alliances that can afford to equip their entire team like this for every fight and its an advantage with zero risk and all reward. In "real pvp" of the kind GM Nova says this tournament wants to get closer too - a player takes a real and significant risk of loss when they plug in a couple of billion worth of rare implants and brings a fight to me. It surely plays a role in their mindset and courage when their ship is getting low in armour and will tend to make these people think about running away sooner than the average combatent. But making podding illegal while nonetheless allowing implants that can turn the tide of battles is silly. Its a return to putting those with endless isk in a massively preferential situation and absolutely no downside. Either let us pod enemy competitors or disallow the use of implants entirely please. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.16 13:28:00 - [95] Just posting to say CCP should have accepted LeMonde's offer to run it after he quit -_- Eris and Nova are totally mangling it :\ http://eve.klaki.net/
Kaylana Syi The Nest	Posted - 2007.07.16 13:50:00 - [96] Maybe they aren't setting the rewards high because they don't want it being dominated by the pimp of the pimp setups anymore. Honestly, its a great decision. People keep complaining that this new decision doesn't accurately describe combat in EVE. Hate to say this to everyone, but neither did any of the other tourneys with Bhalgorns, Impocs and CNRs being tossed about with FG slaves and crystals. Seriously guys, if you want to complain atleast make a decent, logic based complaint. Team Minmatar
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.16 14:05:00 - [97] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 16/07/2007 14:06:19 So you're saying my CNR's and Rattlesnakes that Ive been using in 0.0 pvp, is not real combat!? hmmmm just because you cant afford it doesnt make it viable. I actually fly Rattles, CNR's Bhaalgorns, Navy Megas in combat. Go figure. 2007.07.15 23:19 Victim: ********* Alliance: Prime Orbital Systems Corp: Ferrus Syndicate Destroyed: Megathron System: HED-GP Security: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: St0rmBringer (laid the final blow) Security: 4.8 Alliance: NONE Corp: BURN EDEN Ship: Abaddon Weapon: Tachyon Beam Laser II Name: DHB WildCat Security: 0.4 Alliance: NONE Corp: BURN EDEN Ship: Rattlesnake Weapon: Caldari Navy Devastator Cruise Missile
Ravelin Eb Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.16 16:01:00 - [98] Unique pirate faction battleships. An 'officer' Vindicator for example. and there you go an equal BS to go with the Fedathron, Impoc, state raven and tribal tempest, that will complete the set as it were. ensure that only 1 of each type can be given out, so they stay Unique ships. imo
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.16 16:19:00 - [99] Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 16/07/2007 16:21:32 Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 16/07/2007 16:20:51 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Just posting to say CCP should have accepted LeMonde's offer to run it after he quit -_- Eris and Nova are totally mangling it :\ Why, we really don't need Caldari Nation Issue Ravens floating around. Edit: Eight or however many State Issues that were rewards is pretty much the pinnacle of mismanagement. The fact LeMonde didn't think those ships would sell for 65b isk proves he shouldn't be touching the tournament let alone running it.
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 17:44:00 - [100] people should ignore the fact that they sold for 130bil for sum faction ravens this only happened due to someone colecting ships with too much isk dosnt mater what it was it was rear so the money was offered but on the flip side of this CCP isnt counting the 200bil isk impoc that was uses a destroyed, i know its a guess but due to it being rearer it would cost more than a state issue raven.
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:19:00 - [101] The real issue with huge, galaxy-effecting rewards is that they were produced by CCP and not the players themselves. If you want to participate in a tournament where the rewards go upwards of fifty billion, get some people together and start your own.
Arrgs Retribution Corp.	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:21:00 - [102] Prizes aren't worth having to risk 10 pirate implanted characters. Remember implants don't make a diffrence at all, pod away! My first video!
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:41:00 - [103] Implants, like anything you use in EVE, are a matter of Risk Vs Reward. Don't throw away the risk because the rich guys don't want risk when they take that kind of advantage. All allowing implants yet eliminating podding does is throw the advantage to the rich guy. And seriously, no rigs because only the rich can afford them yet you are allowing pirate implants? Rigs are pretty inexpensive, VERY inexpensive compared to pirate implants. Rigs are a great feature that allow a ton of adaptability for a significant but not unmanageable cost. Any alliance that is going to enter this tourney can afford to rig out their ships. In addition, if you have a foolish no-podding rule, then at least these are still at risk. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:44:00 - [104] Originally by: Ituralde Implants, like anything you use in EVE, are a matter of Risk Vs Reward. Don't throw away the risk because the rich guys don't want risk when they take that kind of advantage. All allowing implants yet eliminating podding does is throw the advantage to the rich guy. And seriously, no rigs because only the rich can afford them yet you are allowing pirate implants? Rigs are pretty inexpensive, VERY inexpensive compared to pirate implants. Rigs are a great feature that allow a ton of adaptability for a significant but not unmanageable cost. Any alliance that is going to enter this tourney can afford to rig out their ships. In addition, if you have a foolish no-podding rule, then at least these are still at risk. It's worth considering that with podding allowed, when it comes to the final people will consider pirate implants. If the prize is worth tens of billions it's worth considering, but that may present a barrier to the less rich alliances. Since it's moved away from the Caldari then perhaps this time it's time to get away from the ISK advantages. Galaxian Recruitment Info
The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:55:00 - [105] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 16/07/2007 14:06:19 So you're saying my CNR's and Rattlesnakes that Ive been using in 0.0 pvp, is not real combat!? hmmmm just because you cant afford it doesnt make it viable. I actually fly Rattles, CNR's Bhaalgorns, Navy Megas in combat. Go figure. 2007.07.15 23:19 Victim: ********* Alliance: Prime Orbital Systems Corp: Ferrus Syndicate Destroyed: Megathron System: HED-GP Security: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: St0rmBringer (laid the final blow) Security: 4.8 Alliance: NONE Corp: BURN EDEN Ship: Abaddon Weapon: Tachyon Beam Laser II Name: DHB WildCat Security: 0.4 Alliance: NONE Corp: BURN EDEN Ship: Rattlesnake Weapon: Caldari Navy Devastator Cruise Missile that's not risking it :/ that's target-choosing 1j from 0.1+ empire gate :/ on topic --- I had fun watching the championship last time. well... mainly when pocahontas was speaking but that's just me. Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.16 21:37:00 - [106] Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 16/07/2007 21:43:11 Crikey, no less than 3 Star Fraction folks (!!!) in one thread quoting/agreeing with me...What must I have been smoking? Hehe...you're alright really fellas. I just wanted to remind people that the ISK paid for those unique ships in the past was already in play in the hands of rich collectors. The collectors could have built several outposts, super-capitals or hired MC and more thugs to have a stab at BOB (Would definately have been be my choice to stir shee-it up!), but their choice was to pay these astronomical sums for one battleship which will never win a war on its own... Personally I think its a crazy choice...but I respect their desire for shiny things. Differnet strokes for different folks I guess. My point is though that if CCP were handing out 130 Billion ISK or a titan or something that COULD win or decide major wars (I mean 130 Billion buys more battleships than even I could lose in a war!)....By doing this CCP would be actively changing, or irrevocably cementing as it may be, the political landscape. As for allowing implants but not rigs - pure Madness. I think it just goes to show CCPs disturbing lack of faith in their latest new content by not having rigs. Admittedly it is silly and probably slightly embarrassing for CCP having zooming Machariel battleships IMHO, but by allowing pirate implants (snakes) they'll probably still get plenty of embarrassing ZOOOOOOOM which shows the less 'realistic' elements of PVP. Either allow both rigs and impalants or neither! I also notice noone has mentioned combat boosters? are they allowed? Yet more marvellous PVP enhancing content there... Anyway - I'm outta this thread before I mouth off too much and get wardecced by BOB, the Jove and CONCORD! Edit: Stab - Stupid word filter...Why is Cr'a'ck not allowed!?! - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
ginlaaan Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.16 21:52:00 - [107] Well the alternative is they could do nothing as far as tourney's go. At least there putting together something for the teams to take part in. --Ginlaaan--
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.16 22:09:00 - [108] Im not in, I have never been in nor do I plan to be. However, all this talk about what modules and things to use including implats, rigs etc. IMHO there is only two ways this tourny should be fought. ALL or NOTHING. You either are allowed to run whatever ship, mod, implant or rig that you can find in the game OR you are only allowed to use *standard* T1 equipment across the board. I think I would prefer the last one tbh because you will never have a more equal field than that. Then I can see the argument that "this is for the elite, if your can not afford to field the best you should not be in it". I can agree to that too since I like seeing billions upon billions getting blown up but in terms of pure strategy and tactics the ultimate is with everyone at the same level. And for all I know, most consider the glory of No. 1 a lot higher than a MS, officer tower etc. My (probably low ranked) 2 cent. /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 22:40:00 - [109] The whole "elite vs non-elite" dichotomy is one that has plagued all sports, IRL, for as long as there have been sports. However much the organisers try to avoid it, it always become a contest of who can blow the most money on it. The winner of Polo usually has the best horse. The Grand Prix is usually won by the guy with the best car. Manchester United vs Yeovil Town? It's no coincidence that the total value of United's players is the GDP of a small African state, while Yeovill's player might just buy you a new car. Hell, rugby was split in to two completely separate sports over this issue. But anyhow. The problem with allowing podding is that it only disadvantages the loser. Say it's the final, and it's BoB vs Team Whoever. In the old rules, BoB would be able to afford all the best implant sets, while TW might only afford a partial spread of implants. Under the new rules- well, BoB will probably still risk it, since they're really rich and passably confident at coming out on top. TW will have even less reason to bring in full implants- if they couldn't afford it before, they certainly can't afford it now. All it really does is further increase the gulf between the 3 or 4 super alliances and the rest of EVE. I do think podding IS necessary (riskless advantage = bad), but I'm not sure it'll have a dramatically beneficial effect. --------
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.16 22:46:00 - [110] Heat will obviously be the single most important deciding factor in the tournament. Wylker and Alice Cholmondeley are my fanclub. \0/
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.16 22:58:00 - [111] Edited by: Darknesss on 16/07/2007 23:02:42 I think it would be good to let a tournament like this run its course naturally for example saying, 10 people vs 10 people, anything goes. Use any mods, any ship, and item or implant you want. No point value system except maybe when it comes to losing ships ie. losing a ceptor is less than losing a BS. Just because you can have 10 people in BS doesnt mean BS will be the only ship used. Edit: felt a tad more explanation, if you had it done this way it would REALLY make it interesting, everything in eve can be countered by something else, for example 10 sniping BS could be easily countered by 10 vagabonds. No alliance would know what to expect, it would create a realistic pvp situation in a controlled environment. The only rule i would have is warp out of the arena and your ship gets popped by Gm's. I think that would be the best way to run the tournament. Dark
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.16 23:00:00 - [112] Some easy rules (again): Implants are allowed. Podding is allowed. Warping out of the arena is allowed. Warping back into the arena is allowed. Warping out and 'giving up' is allowed. Warping back in after giving up, is not allowed. Prize: Empire Station renamed to the corp/alliance that won. IE, Jita IV - Moon IV - Caldari Champion BURN EDEN Station (or whatever). Each time is only allowed to use up to 5 billion ISK worth of ships, mods, and implants for the entire tournament. Item Value based o base value. Only T1, named, and T2 allowed. No COSMOS/Faction/Storyline/Officer/Deadspace mods. Only 7 pilots per team per fight. There you go. Belt piracy isnt what it used to be.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.16 23:05:00 - [113] Originally by: NATMav Heat will obviously be the single most important deciding factor in the tournament. LOL Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
xeom Coagulated	Posted - 2007.07.16 23:25:00 - [114] This is failure on such a epic scale CCP. --- Coagulated -Videos- Viciously Delicious New! Non-Entity
Arrgs Retribution Corp.	Posted - 2007.07.16 23:54:00 - [115] If I was gonna play, I'd take as many nano-damp-lachs as possible. Might not be able to win but you could proove how stupid this whole thing was, and never lose to boot! My first video!
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 00:27:00 - [116] I guess the turny is not allowed to add to BoB's super caps again? Perhaps a small fleet of "nice" ships with some office mods would be the way to go, lets say 4 ships one from each race perhaps? got to say that the POS and standings are not for pvpers, the 18bill isk is simply without imagination. Try again please. Regarding the rules: In simple terms there are PvPers here who are far better on the actualy combat game of eve, than the "role players" that dominate the volunteer programs. So you want to join us?
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.17 00:47:00 - [117] Unique ships are cool. Keep them as prizes. Just make em bound (cant trade, contract, eject etc) to player, who received it. Problem solved.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.17 01:11:00 - [118] Originally by: Myndpyre Ryche The State Ravens are still the best prize out there for the events. The more that continue to be added to the economy, the less their value will be. By handing out more of these as prizes, you actually correct the actions of the previous events. By not handing out more of these, you actually compound the problem of their value, and play into the hands of those who already own them. Exactly. There should not be a single non-BoB person in here clamoring for anything short of more Corvuses and Storms as the tournament prizes. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Faust Revis Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 01:31:00 - [119] Edited by: Faust Revis on 17/07/2007 01:32:17 the prizes are physical proof as to why I do not care about the alliance tourney anymore. and i get the feeling that a LOT of alliances wont care at all about the tourney since the prizes are terrible. gonna be the worst turn out ever i predict. Thats if it isnt canceled because of how much its going to suck.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.17 05:46:00 - [120] I was looking forward to this years tourny sounds a bit unrewarding this year though http://www.omniscient-order.com/ Sahwoolo Etoophie is a noob!

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