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Commander Krispy	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:23:00 - [1] I am no finacial wizzard, but I can see when financial disaster is on the horizon. This is only a theory, just my opinion, but, does this make sense to you? This fine game is infested with isk sellers that spam local chat channels and eve mail with their offers to sell ISK for low low low prices. Asians are great at undercutting each other. But it has gotten to the point now where it is actually cheaper to buy ISK from a seller, buy time codes, and have change left over for Quafe, Exotic Dancers and a big bag of Mind Flood. Here is some simple math that the bean counters at Master Control must have missed. Credit card payments cost me 15 bucks per month, Eve time codes are 150 mill isk per month +/- 1 billion ISK is 50ish bucks. so if I was a bit more frugal, it would be cheaper for me to buy 1 billion isk which I could then use to buy 6 ETC's and have 100 mill left over and I have saved about 40 bucks to put towards my next billion isk. This is just wrong. Now we all know that over 1/4 of eve accts are farmers, maybe even as high as 1/3 if my numbers are close. We have to acept that isk sellers use ETC's to pay for their accts because the ETC's are in a perverted way, "FREE", and dont dent the real world profits. Oh, you question my numbers, hum, fly around with me for 5 hours, no, 2 hours and i will show you that there are systems with 16 belts and 16 farmers and the same thing in the next system. This is no joke, it is sick and the CCP GM's choose to do nothing to stop it. It seems that the GM's are more concerned with the possibility that they might suspend an acct that has done no wrong, which is a correctable event, rather than protect the game and the time and real money that we have invested into creating our characters. I expect that three things might happen now. The first thing that comes to mind is to scrap the ETC system and all accts will have to be paid for with R/L cash which will sustain the game. Second, I will have my acct banned for suggesting such nonsence, Third, there will be an increse in ISK farmer activity as the news of this post reach's the mass's who all run out to buy ISK and save 50% on the cost of month to month play, maybe even more if they enter the 5 digit special code that gets them 10% more isk. Bottom line, the isk sellers are making the real world money that is suposed to go to ccp. If ccp doesnt make money they will go off line, forever, your character is gone, you dont know what to do, you sit and stare at your monitor for a week until you accept the fact that you need to go pee. To close, if I do get banned I left all my stuff in a secure container beside a moon in Jita, just use the special offer secret code to open the can. CCP this line is for you. Fix the Freaking Problem before the problem wrecks you. I can't believe that you have let this infestation go unchecked for so long. It is the worst case of mis managment and spineless indecision that I have had the dis pleasure to witness. Commander Krispy out.............................
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:24:00 - [2] Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 17/07/2007 17:24:09 i think someone downplayed how ignorant they were of economics Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:25:00 - [3] MY SIDES CAPTAIN. THEY ARE SPLITTING. ---- All you do is bark, you never meow
Occara	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Occara on 17/07/2007 17:27:09 too bad ccp doesn't get money off those time cards sold
Luigi Thirty Caldari 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:27:00 - [5] Edited by: Luigi Thirty on 17/07/2007 17:27:11 Fourth in an epic fail thread. ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:((((
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:28:00 - [6] He really wrote that all out.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:28:00 - [7] We have to evacuate? Death is only the beginning...
Occara	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:29:00 - [8] Originally by: xRazoRx We have to evacuate? mr krispy just evacuated something. i'll grant you that.
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:29:00 - [9] its really a bit like watching someone's car wrapped around a tree, wondering what in the world could have happened to cause such a travesty.
Luigi Thirty Caldari 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:29:00 - [10] I have to pee. Does that mean CCP is bankrupt? ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:((((
FrinXs	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:29:00 - [11] Your accumptions are miles from being accurate. ETC are bought from CCP by regular players and then sold to other players. That means that nobody is paying CCP ISK for ETC, the players are paying CCP real money (you know dollars and euros) for them and then recieving ISK. That is the legal way of selling ISK...
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Commander Krispy CCP will go out of buisiness very soon if a few changes aren't made! Hi. You seam to be some type of psychic gury with the abilaty to predict the future.....do you want to work for me? Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
Vorketh Mordanil Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:30:00 - [13] You missed a key factor in your logic... you said buy ISK to then buy game time cards from someone... where did those Gamt Time Cards come from? CCP... buying time cards with ISK doesn't hurt CCP, you just are giving ISK to someone else who gave their money to CCP. No... the bigger threat is desynch issues scaring players away... I'll weather this storm, and so will many others... I think this game is no raging success story as far as the user base is concerned, but it sure as hell is a survivor, and it will keep trucking forward - that I am sure of. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:30:00 - [14] - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Steini OFSI Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:30:00 - [15] ISK sellers have to pay for their accounts as well, money isn't made by macro mining only exchanged by people who buy the minerals. Money going to CCP is always the same ammount of game time given out by credit card/paypal and gamtime card income. More macroers = more accounts = more money to CCP End of discussion
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Raem Civrie MY SIDES CAPTAIN. THEY ARE SPLITTING. I'm not sure which is better, this thread or this response ________________ DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit
Dietes Marcellus	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:31:00 - [17] Edited by: Dietes Marcellus on 17/07/2007 17:31:44 Okay then mister, How do you fix the problem of ISK sellers ? from an "MIS" standpoint
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:31:00 - [18] ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Commander Krispy	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:40:00 - [19] Man, you guys either need to take off or put on your glass's. I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. I can buy ISK and play the game for 1/2 price, no cash to ccp, cash to xjytcs instead. Any player that has the brains to do simple math is probably already doing what I have spelled out and CCP gets no cash. No cash = no means to support the hard costs or keeping the game online. Argh,
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:41:00 - [20] buying isk also means getting said isk removed, the person you gave it to having it removed, and having no one to sell you gtc's because you are not worth the risk Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Ampoliros Phantom Knights	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:42:00 - [21] Mai eyes ! The gogglez do nothing! ------------------------------------
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Commander Krispy I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. Argh, But have you for a moment wondered where these magical GTCs come from in the first place? Woe, woe..
Epicurus Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Commander Krispy Credit card payments cost me 15 bucks per month, Eve time codes are 150 mill isk per month +/- 1 billion ISK is 50ish bucks. so if I was a bit more frugal, it would be cheaper for me to buy 1 billion isk which I could then use to buy 6 ETC's and have 100 mill left over and I have saved about 40 bucks to put towards my next billion isk. This would be a valid argument IF the selling of ISK for RL cash was allowed. As its not you cannot compair. So I guess you where right.. No finacial wizzard And how do you know that 1/4 or even 1/3 of accounts are isk farmers. ??? It would be a guess at best.. Ok there are isk farmers, but there are also people that mine in this game to sell on the markets.. Look in Jita.. where the hell does all those millions of trit come from.. Trit fairies??? So you think that these isk farmers will kill of CCP.. Game Time Cards. cost 150-200mils isk. The person that wants to sell the GTC has to pay RL cash for them at some point. The code used to give you your 30days/60 days what ever comes from CCP does it not?? So are not CCP getting your monthly subscritption in one form or another Directly from a player or via a GTC seller. What isk farmers are doing is allowing other to do jack all in the game to make isk, just because that have some RL cash floating about. If you or your corp or alliance wanted a MS or a Titan. Then you would have to work dam hard for it for a while to get the isk.. If you where the sort of person that had spare RL money you could just buy the ISK and have your ship with in days and with no effort involved. If you see Isk farmers. report them, blow them up or what ever...
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Commander Krispy Any player that has the brains to do simple math is probably already doing what I have spelled out and CCP gets no cash. Argh, I laughed. So hard that I think I injured something, and might possibly be fired from my job because I disrupted the entire office. Sir Dumbass, think to yourself, WHERE is the Game card coming from? Does it appear out of thin air? No, someone buys it from CCP, thus they get their 15 dollars. PS. What is a glass's?
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Commander Krispy I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. Ummm where did the GTC originally come from? From CCP perhaps? They only sell them ya know. Someone had to pay cash for that to obtain it to sell it for isk. Literally GTC are just CCP's way of converting their virtual world "resources" into real life cash. Damn clever if you ask me.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:45:00 - [26] From far far east, where someone is keygenning them, no doubt. Death is only the beginning...
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Commander Krispy Man, you guys either need to take off or put on your glass's. I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. I can buy ISK and play the game for 1/2 price, no cash to ccp, cash to xjytcs instead. Any player that has the brains to do simple math is probably already doing what I have spelled out and CCP gets no cash. No cash = no means to support the hard costs or keeping the game online. Argh, - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:47:00 - [28] TBH, looking at the prices of ISK per dollar... I doubt the maco miners are making anything anymore
Admiral Shallow Gallente Shadow KnighT Productions	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Commander Krispy Man, you guys either need to take off or put on your glass's. I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. I can buy ISK and play the game for 1/2 price, no cash to ccp, cash to xjytcs instead. Any player that has the brains to do simple math is probably already doing what I have spelled out and CCP gets no cash. No cash = no means to support the hard costs or keeping the game online. Argh, so what, if CCP fails, EVE goes down. ZOMG!!!?!?!!?!ONETWOELEVENFIFTYFOUR!?!??!!!11111 THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH!!?!?!111111 BTW You Suck
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:51:00 - [30] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 17/07/2007 17:51:34 Originally by: Commander Krispy Man, you guys either need to take off or put on your glass's. I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. I can buy ISK and play the game for 1/2 price, no cash to ccp, cash to xjytcs instead. Any player that has the brains to do simple math is probably already doing what I have spelled out and CCP gets no cash. No cash = no means to support the hard costs or keeping the game online. Argh, HA HA HA And the best parts are that you believe it, and that you start insulting ppl who actually show you how wrong you are. :) PS: Guys ... c'mon, this guy doesn't deserve to know why he is wrong, so please stop explaining it to him. Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:51:00 - [31] Edited by: xRazoRx on 17/07/2007 17:53:26 Originally by: Xtreem CCP dont lose out, just some farmer makes some money before he is banned. Some farmer makes some even more isk from a sold GTC that he bought for real money! And why would he be banned? Death is only the beginning...
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Commander Krispy Man, you guys either need to take off or put on your glass's. I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. I can buy ISK and play the game for 1/2 price, no cash to ccp, cash to xjytcs instead. Any player that has the brains to do simple math is probably already doing what I have spelled out and CCP gets no cash. No cash = no means to support the hard costs or keeping the game online. Argh, ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:53:00 - [33] I think this thread fails so epically that it actually wins. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:54:00 - [34] Originally by: Dark Shikari I think this thread fails so epically that it actually wins. I'm saving it on my HD. When the zombie uprising starts, I'll drag it out and smile, remembering happier times. ---- All you do is bark, you never meow
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Raem Civrie Originally by: Dark Shikari I think this thread fails so epically that it actually wins. I'm saving it on my HD. When the zombie uprising starts, I'll drag it out and smile, remembering happier times. struggles to pick self up from floor (Methinks I'll save this one too) ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:58:00 - [36] I think I'm in love with your sig sham ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Titus Lewis	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:58:00 - [37] Krispy, if CCP actually sold GTC's for ISK instead of real dollars, then yes, they could be in trouble. Therefore, they only sell the GTC's for real dollars, then OTHER PEOPLE trade those GTC's for ISK.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Commander Krispy This is only a theory, just my opinion, but, does this make sense to you? None at all, nope.
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Vina I think I'm in love with your sig sham Get a post next to mine and we can have a kittycuddleparty ---- All you do is bark, you never meow
Ifni Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:02:00 - [40] THE GTCS! THEY GROW ON ZE TREES! You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Raem Civrie Originally by: Vina I think I'm in love with your sig sham Get a post next to mine and we can have a kittycuddleparty ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:03:00 - [42] This thread delivers.... ....no logic that is. Merc Blog
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:03:00 - [43] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 17/07/2007 18:03:05 Originally by: Vina THINGS WE'RE STARSTRUCK KITTYLOVARS ---- All you do is bark, you never meow
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 17/07/2007 18:03:05 Originally by: Vina THINGS WE'RE STARSTRUCK KITTYLOVARS Well as long as the cat pays his monthly fee then he can play. However if he buys a game card for ISK, THEN HE MUST BE PUNISHED
Imperius Blackheart Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:06:00 - [45] Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 17/07/2007 18:06:46 I lol'ed... Seriously Commander Krispy, where does the GTC come from that someone sells in game for ISK?... now don't rush an answer, just think about it for a day or two.. Now consider the fact that there are unemployed or students in the world, unable to pay for the came in real life cash, but they are part of this community we are part of and love, but they can do a days missions or mining and pay for a month... and CCP still get their money, and thus more customers... so better for us all. If only satire could be this satirical Read the above, think about it, and tell me where I am wrong :D please.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:06:00 - [46] Originally by: Commander Krispy I am no finacial wizzard, Understatement of the century! Awesome thread. ------------------
Tommy TenKreds Animal.	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:07:00 - [47] Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 17/07/2007 18:08:46 Originally by: Commander Krispy Man, you guys either need to take off or put on your glass's. I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. I can buy ISK and play the game for 1/2 price, no cash to ccp, cash to xjytcs instead. Any player that has the brains to do simple math is probably already doing what I have spelled out and CCP gets no cash. No cash = no means to support the hard costs or keeping the game online. Argh, ZOMG. Ignorance is tolerable, but stubbornness in the face of clear correction is just asking for trouble.
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Callente Riveara However if he buys a game card for ISK, THEN HE MUST BE PUNISHED he has saved up his allowance...
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo Originally by: Callente Riveara However if he buys a game card for ISK, THEN HE MUST BE PUNISHED he has saved up his allowance... IF he did not fly to Iceland, to go to CCP Headquarters, in order to personally place the money in whosever pocket it needs to be in, the cat cannot play.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Commander Krispy I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. I can buy ISK and play the game for 1/2 price, no cash to ccp, cash to xjytcs instead. Any player that has the brains to do simple math is probably already doing what I have spelled out and CCP gets no cash. No cash = no means to support the hard costs or keeping the game online. GTC bought -> CCP gets the money used to buy the GTC GTC used -> bye bye goes the code attempting to keygen codes -> surefire way to get BANNED *(at least I hope so)* once you use a GTC, CCP should be able to know WHERE you bought that code from, originally... their own shop, or some online retailer (because, guess who issues those codes) if it's their shop -> instant identification if it's a retailer -> at least they know which retailer, and they can ask/check if the code was actually sold already So, basically, ACTIVE accounts means money for CCP, regardless of how exactly that money is paid to CCP, directly or indirectly, and no matter through how many hands it passed The reason why the "price" of a GTCs in ISK vs the "price" of real-world money is out of whack is because FARMERS DON'T WANT GTCs so much as they want real cash. So, for all intents and purposes, whenever you buy ISK illegally from a farmer, then shift some of those ISK as GTCs, all you're doing is being a middleman and "taking your cut" in the illegal resale of in-game ISK. You're an ISK dealer. Nothing more, nothing less. Buy low, sell high. Char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:28:00 - [51] i think just like the - free raven - this is another attempt at getting mass kills in jita :) ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Xiaodown Lyran Procurement	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:29:00 - [52] OMG POSTING IN EPIC THREAD ... because the topic in #eve-online said I had to or I would be lose. In other news, OP, can I has your stuffs and thems stuffs of peoples you am know on online-eve? ~X -- Lyran procurement is offering tritanium compression services for 0.0 alliances. Low prices, 25:1 compression. Click for Details...
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:33:00 - [53] am i the only one who read the part about a secure can telling u the password and where to get it at jita? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Commander Krispy ... LOL ...
Obidios Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:35:00 - [55] I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. -----------------
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:38:00 - [56] And the GTCs, where do they come from? Out of thin air? To CCP it doesn't matter if they give out a 30 GTC for $15 or if they charge someone $15 that he can play 30 days. In the end the money for playing 30 days ends up at CCP. So your theory doesn't make sense to me. Furthermore you mix up things completely. ISK farmers do not sell GTC, why should they? They have enough ISK already and don't need any more, so why should they pay RL money to get ISK for it when they farm it in game already. Some farmers illegaly try to exchange their isk into RL money, but that is exactly the opposite to selling GTC for RL. Additionally you mix up isk sellers with GTC sellers. But was I said, these two things are completely the opposite to each other. Maybe you should think a bit more first? And finally you say that everyone will buy GTC with isk and so CCP's income will go to zero? Well, as above explained, that is simply wrong.
Tellenta Gallente White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:46:00 - [57] Thank you mr. OP for showing me that some people think thier posts through before making them. Your facts and figures are indisputable and unquestionable. I am better off now that i have read your post. Once again thank you very much, i eagerly await your next breakthrough post. Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Prometius Caldari Dark Nebula Gallente Division Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:53:00 - [58] what are we doing tonight brain? same thing we do every night pinky, try and take over the world! tonight, i plan on using GTC's.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:55:00 - [59] Actually I split my sides open reading this thread as well. Not because of Krispy either. I am laughing at the 35 douchebag morons posting stuff like "epicfail" when the epic fail is in the lack of doing the simple math to realize that selling the GTC to then allow players to sell for in game money IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS!!! READ THE CAPS AGAIN....IT IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY MORE ISK FROM THE FARMERS COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING THE GTC YOURSELF! So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! Now, can we please surgically remove the cranial rectal insertion blockage please! _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:58:00 - [60] Let me see if I understand... I go out and buy (outside the rules by the way) 1 Billion ISK for $50.00... I then take that 1 billion ISK and use it to buy 6 months of GTC's (cost 100 million ISK) thus for $50.00 I get to play for 6 months (normally this would be $14.99 * 6 = $89.94) and have 100 million ISK... After 6 months, I can do it all over again... I still have not figured out the point where CCP is "Losing" money... they are still being paid for my account (By the GTC seller)... Ok, Ok, so I may log in to find I have a -900,000,000 in my wallet (CCP reclaimed the 1 Billion ISK) but that is just Eve... By the way, Can I have your stuff? (if CCP is going under, you will no longer need it) None of us is as dumb as all of us...
Prometius Caldari Dark Nebula Gallente Division Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:58:00 - [61] all you did was repeat what the captain said, but you used the word BOON in capitals. you fail to understand that buying isk from farmers is not legal, ergo the point of buying GTC's from other players with isk is a way for CCP to KEEP customers who are too POOR to afford paying $15 a month, so they just have some rich guy pay for 2 accounts. ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the wonderful world of bartering and compensation.
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:58:00 - [62] Originally by: Sharupak Actually I split my sides open reading this thread as well. Not because of Krispy either. I am laughing at the 35 douchebag morons posting stuff like "epicfail" when the epic fail is in the lack of doing the simple math to realize that selling the GTC to then allow players to sell for in game money IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS!!! READ THE CAPS AGAIN....IT IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY MORE ISK FROM THE FARMERS COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING THE GTC YOURSELF! So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! Now, can we please surgically remove the cranial rectal insertion blockage please! and then you got banned. next? ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:00:00 - [63] Originally by: Sharupak So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! And CCP still gets their $90.00 no matter what.. It is only a boon for the person buying the isk until they get banned. And for the record: My cats do play EVE, where did you think player names like asdfghjj came from?
Prometius Caldari Dark Nebula Gallente Division Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: Sharupak So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! And CCP still gets their $90.00 no matter what.. It is only a boon for the person buying the isk until they get banned. correct
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:03:00 - [65] Originally by: Commander Krispy I can buy an ETC for isk, no cash to CCP. Dear Einstein, Someone has to buy the GTCs from CCP. Sincerly, Captian Obvious. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:04:00 - [66] Originally by: Sharupak Actually I split my sides open reading this thread as well. Not because of Krispy either. I am laughing at the 35 douchebag morons posting stuff like "epicfail" when the epic fail is in the lack of doing the simple math to realize that selling the GTC to then allow players to sell for in game money IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS!!! READ THE CAPS AGAIN....IT IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY MORE ISK FROM THE FARMERS COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING THE GTC YOURSELF! So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! Now, can we please surgically remove the cranial rectal insertion blockage please! CCP gets their money (and the same amount) regardless. It doesn't have any effect on their financial situation because the cards are allready sold and the money is in CCP's pockets. ------------------
Tellenta Gallente White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:05:00 - [67] Originally by: Sharupak Actually I split my sides open reading this thread as well. Not because of Krispy either. I am laughing at the 35 douchebag morons posting stuff like "epicfail" when the epic fail is in the lack of doing the simple math to realize that selling the GTC to then allow players to sell for in game money IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS!!! READ THE CAPS AGAIN....IT IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY MORE ISK FROM THE FARMERS COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING THE GTC YOURSELF! So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! Now, can we please surgically remove the cranial rectal insertion blockage please! I think everyone is pointing out the disrailment from the logic train when the OP states that CCP recieves no money from GTC's. The cost of purchasing isk is irrelevant when looking at the OP's conclusion. GTC's are not free, its basic economics just because you yourself did not spend money on the game time code does not in fact mean that no one paid anything for the game time code. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH = the first lesson in economics this person needs to learn. Your own personal opinion about isk farmers does not warrent blatent avoidance of facts. Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Yoshi Toranaga Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:07:00 - [68] I'm speechless, but I need to be in this thread.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Sharupak Actually I split my sides open reading this thread as well. Not because of Krispy either. I am laughing at the 35 douchebag morons posting stuff like "epicfail" when the epic fail is in the lack of doing the simple math to realize that selling the GTC to then allow players to sell for in game money IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS!!! READ THE CAPS AGAIN....IT IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY MORE ISK FROM THE FARMERS COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING THE GTC YOURSELF! So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! Now, can we please surgically remove the cranial rectal insertion blockage please! and then you got banned. next? No I wouldnt, because then there would be no ISK farmers next? _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:10:00 - [70] Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Vina Originally by: Sharupak Actually I split my sides open reading this thread as well. Not because of Krispy either. I am laughing at the 35 douchebag morons posting stuff like "epicfail" when the epic fail is in the lack of doing the simple math to realize that selling the GTC to then allow players to sell for in game money IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS!!! READ THE CAPS AGAIN....IT IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY MORE ISK FROM THE FARMERS COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING THE GTC YOURSELF! So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! Now, can we please surgically remove the cranial rectal insertion blockage please! and then you got banned. next? No I wouldnt, because then there would be no ISK farmers next? double chocolate cream pie dare you to purchase isk from farmers. ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.

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milinkoee Bastage Incorporated 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:14:00 - [72] Originally by: Sharupak I am laughing at the 35 douchebag morons posting stuff like "epicfail" when the epic fail is in the lack of doing the simple math to realize that selling the GTC to then allow players to sell for in game money IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS!!! READ THE CAPS AGAIN....IT IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY MORE ISK FROM THE FARMERS COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING THE GTC YOURSELF! Actually, it seems to be the exact opposite, as seen by the recent fall in ebay isk prices. Since players have a legal way to acquire isk for cash (via GTC trade) they are less tempted to use the isk blackmarket, for fear of getting caught and banned. Thus the isk sellers have been finding it harder and harder to find customers willing to take the risk given the legal alternative, which is forcing down the price. Hopefully the price of isk on ebay will reach a point so low that the isk farmers move on as it is no longer worth their while. It is like legalizing alcohol after prohibition in America, sure I could continue to buy cheap bath tub gin from a gangster, but since it can be legally bought with no risk of going blind from a liquor store the 50% savings isn't worth the risk. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:15:00 - [73] Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Sharupak Actually I split my sides open reading this thread as well. Not because of Krispy either. I am laughing at the 35 douchebag morons posting stuff like "epicfail" when the epic fail is in the lack of doing the simple math to realize that selling the GTC to then allow players to sell for in game money IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS!!! READ THE CAPS AGAIN....IT IS A BOON FOR ISK FARMERS BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY MORE ISK FROM THE FARMERS COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING THE GTC YOURSELF! So, lets review I go buy 1billion isk for $50 to which I can buy 6 GTC off of players and have 100mill left over! I just bought 6 months of eve playtime for 50 bucks! Now, can we please surgically remove the cranial rectal insertion blockage please! I think everyone is pointing out the disrailment from the logic train when the OP states that CCP recieves no money from GTC's. The cost of purchasing isk is irrelevant when looking at the OP's conclusion. GTC's are not free, its basic economics just because you yourself did not spend money on the game time code does not in fact mean that no one paid anything for the game time code. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH = the first lesson in economics this person needs to learn. Your own personal opinion about isk farmers does not warrent blatent avoidance of facts. Sure but he also posted this... Quote: so if I was a bit more frugal, it would be cheaper for me to buy 1 billion isk which I could then use to buy 6 ETC's and have 100 mill left over and I have saved about 40 bucks to put towards my next billion isk. I saw no posts to the effect of... Quote: Players still purchase the GTC from CCP to which the players can sell them for ISK, So CCP is making money off of GTCs. But there is something wrong about the fact that ISK buying players can get GTCs cheaper by buying isk from farmers All I saw were people that read a couple of lines until they got to the mistake and saw a chance to flame. Regardless, this issue is probably something that needs to be looked into. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:20:00 - [74] Originally by: Gnulpie And the GTCs, where do they come from? Out of thin air? Actually, they do. I'm not going to say that the OP explained the situation accurately. What I will say is that he points to something that has the potential to be problematic. If there ever comes a time when the amount of prepaid time that CCP has to honor exceeds the amount of revenue coming in to sustain the game, the game would suffer financially. That could happen when GTCs and ETCs bought last quarter are being cashed in this quarter. See, ISK and prepaid game time are being constantly consumed. However, the rate of consumption is fixed, and prepaid game time can get stockpiled. If it ever gets to the point where more people are cashing in stockpiled prepaid time than are paying in to sustain the game providers, the game will have to close regardless of how many of us enjoy playing it. I won't say that it isn't working now. What I will say is that I wouldn't be suprised if someday, we'll see two headlines: "More players playing EVE than ever before!," followed by, "EVE closes down due to lack of revenue." Ultimately, this game runs on the backs of those who pay, not those who play.

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