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Merrick Solipsus
Modern Amusement
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.07.18 06:07:00 -
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Im sure that Im months behind on this but I was looking through my BPOs yesterday and noticed that theres no invention tab on mining crystals. So this either means thats an overlooked bug or now that all the t2 BPOs are handed out there will be an everlasting monopoly on them.
Can anyone fill me in on this situation?
Thanks
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.07.18 06:44:00 -
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I think BPO's dont have invention tabs anyway only BPC have. Altho granted I have not looked at mining crystal BPC either to tell you if they are inventable.
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.07.18 09:37:00 -
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The man's right, they don't have an invention tab. They should have one, but honestly I wouldn't worry about it too much. T2 mining crystals are not crazy overpriced like some things were.
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Zarin
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Posted - 2007.07.18 09:41:00 -
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I have a T2 mining crystal BPO and I'm not even producing from it because there's no profit in them. Can't imagine how you could make a profit from inventing them anyway. I'm all for invention being introduced on them though, good luck with profiting. There are many many T2 modules that only make a 10-20% profit at best, you make more buying them in Jita and reselling in an outlying area than you do making them to sell en masse. Once you add in the datacore cost you're likely paying more for the BPC than the item itself costs built. Not to mention tying up a char with high end building skills who would make more building something else.
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Merrick Solipsus
Modern Amusement
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.07.19 02:16:00 -
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Oh I have no intention of doing invention on them, I just thought it was strange that it cant be done.
Lets say hypothetically everyone with the T2 BPOs quit playing, that would mean the end of t2 crystals with no way of reintroducing the BPO.
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MinerGod
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Posted - 2007.07.19 03:55:00 -
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Talk about strange invention, I noticed on the
Drake BPO it has invention, but what does it invent? no other ships listed in varition.
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Swearingen
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Posted - 2007.07.19 04:21:00 -
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Since crystals are ammo, I figured they would be inventable when ammo became inventable. Alas, I was wrong. Perhaps they overlooked that aspect of ammo invention and are planning to rectify the situation.
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MercedesBenz
House Of Cards
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Posted - 2007.07.19 10:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Merrick Solipsus
Im sure that Im months behind on this but I was looking through my BPOs yesterday and noticed that theres no invention tab on mining crystals. So this either means thats an overlooked bug or now that all the t2 BPOs are handed out there will be an everlasting monopoly on them.
Can anyone fill me in on this situation?
Thanks
you make it sound like we're making billions off of these bpo's, the profit margin for these crystals is rather small, a producer would make more selling t1 mods in 0.0 tbh, and sales are so slow that it's hard to actually get the damned bpo's to pay for themselves. Besides that, they bpo's are still being seeded iirc. I suggest you take a look a problem that really needs attention rather than our 'everlasting monopoly' on the t2 mining crystal market.
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Beldaws
Gallente
Me and My Alts
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Posted - 2007.07.19 12:12:00 -
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I totally agree. As a T2 mining crystal producer I'll admit that profits on the crystals have dropped to a historically low profit margin on most of the crystals while competition in the market has risen to an all time high.
One week of production will take you a month to sell. Most of my bpos sit idle in my hanger while I try to sell my current stock.
There are a few crystals that still bring in nice profits, but even those are slowly falling. There definately is an oversupply of T2 mining crystal bpos in the universe and it would be extremely hard to profit from invention at this time.
Originally by: MercedesBenz
I suggest you take a look a problem that really needs attention rather than our 'everlasting monopoly' on the t2 mining crystal market.
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Merrick Solipsus
Modern Amusement
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.07.19 19:54:00 -
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Wow talk about people that need to read more than the original post.
As I said, I dont have any interest in inventing T2 crystals nor do I care what kind, or lack of, profit there is in it. Inevitably everyone or most of the people that currently own the BPOs will stop playing.
This is why the T2 lottery was occasionally refilled. People stop playing, lose the BPOs ect, and they are no longer in the game.
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Besides that, they bpo's are still being seeded iirc
There are no more BPOs of any kind in the lottery and there never will be again. This is the entire point.
Your "crappy" little crystal BPO is no different than someones Vaga or Ishtar BPO. There should be no exception no matter what the profit is.
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Letti Casta
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Posted - 2007.07.19 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Merrick Solipsus
Your "crappy" little crystal BPO is no different than someones Vaga or Ishtar BPO. There should be no exception no matter what the profit is.
Nope, sorry, kthxbye
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Francisco Ostrowski
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Posted - 2007.07.19 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Merrick Solipsus
There are no more BPOs of any kind in the lottery and there never will be again. This is the entire point.
actually I know a couple people that have recently received crystal bpo's in the lottery.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.20 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Merrick Solipsus
Your "crappy" little crystal BPO is no different than someones Vaga or Ishtar BPO. There should be no exception no matter what the profit is.
I'm all good with that I've made billions of isk through invention and maybe 100m? Through my T2 mining crystal BPO... woo.
I really don't care if it can be invented or not because at the moment, the build cost is almost exactly the market cost.... So good luck undercutting the BPO holders on that after adding in invention costs. There's already more produced than used, which means prices won't go anywhere above build cost until that changes. Of course, invention is worth having just incase the server population increases 10 fold and the BPO collection is no longer adequate. That was why HACs etc got to ridiculous prices, years went by with the server population growing hugely but the BPO number remaining static.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2007.07.20 11:41:00 -
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Mining crystal invention is coming in Revelations 2.2 patch.
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Belloc Slunv
Amarr
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.20 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hohne
Originally by: Merrick Solipsus
Your "crappy" little crystal BPO is no different than someones Vaga or Ishtar BPO. There should be no exception no matter what the profit is.
I'm all good with that I've made billions of isk through invention and maybe 100m? Through my T2 mining crystal BPO... woo.
I really don't care if it can be invented or not because at the moment, the build cost is almost exactly the market cost.... So good luck undercutting the BPO holders on that after adding in invention costs. There's already more produced than used, which means prices won't go anywhere above build cost until that changes. Of course, invention is worth having just incase the server population increases 10 fold and the BPO collection is no longer adequate. That was why HACs etc got to ridiculous prices, years went by with the server population growing hugely but the BPO number remaining static.
What about those of us who want to use the crystals for ourselves instead of buying them from people like you?
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.20 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hohne on 20/07/2007 19:08:42
Well that's an interesting point. And you already see it with invention. People use 30 mil of datacores and materials to produce a product worth 3 mil... becuase they 'did it on their own'. And 'those datacores were free anyway' and 'those moon minerals were free anyway'... It's a pretty wierd mindset, considering you could just sell those datacores and buy the end product and end up with 10x as much, or 27mil isk AND the product.
I'm all for it. Go nuts. It's like producing a battleship from minerals you mined using a me0 BPC that you bought for 10mil, instead of selling the same minerals and buying the battleship from someone else who can produce it for less minerals for less cost than you could sell the minerals.
T1 products there's some cool things with producing your own, because you can turn any old minerals that you mine into just about any T1 product. With T2 you're looking at sometimes days to produce the items, from materials that just about everyone has to buy off the market (even if you moon mine some of them).
Like I said, I welcome invention for mining crystals, but it's not going to drive down prices, and you're still going to spend more isk inventing them than you could buy them for.....
I really like the whole saftey valve of invention, but some things really suck. Like for instance, you have a 50% chance of getting a deep core strip miner II instead of the modulated one. Today I had 10 jobs, 4 failed, and the 6 that succeded were all the deep core version. The minerals to produce these, from even a me-4 BPC cost more on the market than the finished item... So... I have dozens of BPCs for an item that isn't worth inventing, and worse, isn't even worth building once invented, just because it has an expensive cousin. And mind you that expensive version effectively costs twice as much to invent the BPC for as other modules, because if you get the deep core version, it's a throwaway.
I don't own that BPO, but whoever does, has to compete with people that build it anyway and then sell it for below their build cost... (but incidentally due to the nature of invented prints it won't refine down to as much)... Meanwhile someone with the expensive BPO gets away with extra margin....
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