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DILLI GAF
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:32:00 -
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I want to know everyones thoughts about High Security Pirating. I know this is one thing that sets EVE apart from all the other games out there but for those of us that don't want to be involved in the wars, pirating or corporate politics high security systems should be a safe place for us to enjoy the game as well. This is suppose to be a ROLE PLAYING GAME meaning we chose the path we want to follow. I chose to stay out of harms way and got screwed anyway. If CCP is going to put Concord in the systems for protection against attacks such as these then they should hold some responsibility when they fail at providing the service they are there for. I would think the taxes and fees we pay in game should be payment enough to justify this sort of protection for players.
As a new player coming in to the game this would be very discouraging when you are just trying to get going.
To me... This is no different then one of the many scams in game.
Please leave your thoughts. I want to see what people really have to say. I believe if enough of the EVE community says something then maybe CCP will address this issue.
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Weeka
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:34:00 -
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Ok, what happened exactly?
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EliteSlave
Minmatar
Tau Ceti Global Production
Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:36:00 -
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Oh to qoute Oveur....
High Sec is Safer... not totally safe...
Dev's if your Ugly and you know it.. and Proud of it... Sign Below ;) |
IONZ
Gallente
The Celestial Free Miner's
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:37:00 -
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Petition Body
I have been playing EVE since September of '04. I love the game and really chose to stay out of harms way. I have joined Corps that have been involved in wars and battles and have chosen to stay away from this sort of game play. High Security systems should be a safe haven for players like my self as well as new players coming in to the game. If they are attacked in a system that is supposed to be considered a safe system they are going to be turned off quickly. There is an exploit out there that CCP is not addressing. Let's put the scams aside for now. There are plenty out there but the one that is obvious is High Security Pirating. This should not be allowed. A system with a security status of 0.5 or higher should be secure for players like myself and new players to build a wealth and consider moving in to higher risk areas. If this sort of action continue then how are new people supposed to make it in this game. We would be forced to join a corp when that may not be what we are wanting.
I have another character IONZ that I am retiring. I started this character a week or so ago to take a new look at EVE and a new direction. I had just completed transferring all my assets from IONZ to DILLI GAF and was transporting them through a route that was supposed to be safe. 1 jump from my final destination i was attacked and lost well over a billion in assets. i of which was a Thanatos BPO. Bellow is the kill mail lI received showing the items I lost. I truly think that this issue should be addressed and these systems should remain a safe place for players that do not want to get caught up in all the politics and war that is in EVE. We should be allowed to chose our place in this game, make our own path even if this means not having to deal with pirates. These pirates should be forced to engage in this sort of activity in systems with the security status of 0.4 or lower. This is where lawlessness should be upheld and not in the systems that the law is in place. In the real world if I was mugged and the police showed up but did not do anything they would be the ones responsible for the actions of the pirates. Concord is in place to POTECT AND SERVE as any other law enforcement. CCP NEEDS to address this issue and I would hope give me back the items I lost. This is a game but we do not spend countless hours and money to support it to take such a blow in which you ask yourself WTF!
KILL MAIL
2007.07.18 05:40
Victim: DILLI GAF
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Royal Amarr Institute
Destroyed: Coercer
System: Madirmilire
Security: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: Rexxar Civire (laid the final blow)
Security: 4.6
Alliance: Triumvirate.
Corp: Murder-Death-Kill
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Name: calyannanna
Security: -1.6
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic Military School
Ship: Thrasher
Weapon: 280mm Howitzer Artillery I
Destroyed items:
Standard S
Small Armor Repairer I
Dual Light Pulse Laser I
Dual Light Pulse Laser I
Dual Light Pulse Laser I
Dual Light Pulse Laser I
Dual Light Pulse Laser I
Standard S
Dual Light Pulse Laser I
Standard S
Standard S
Standard S
Standard S
Standard S
Standard S
Energized Basic Reflective Plating
F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator
Thanatos Blueprint (Cargo)
Esoteric Data Interface Blueprint (Cargo)
Incognito Data Interface Blueprint (Cargo)
Occult Data Interface (Cargo)
Datacore - Gallentean Starship Engineering, Qty: 43 (Cargo)
Computer Chips, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Internal Bulkhead, Qty: 6 (Cargo)
Mainframe Bit, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZGA100 (Cargo)
1MN Afterburner I, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
100mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I (Cargo)
100mm Reinforced Steel Plates I (Cargo)
Small Remote Armor Repair System I (Cargo)
Small Remote Armor Repair System I (Cargo)
Small Capacitor Battery I (Cargo)
Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I (Cargo)
Dual Afocal Light Maser I (Cargo)
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I (Cargo)
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The Mantra
Caldari
Knights of Sovereignty
United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:39:00 -
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Heh. Prepare to be flamed.
Basically though:
CONCORD is there to punish - not protect.
-However, there is some debate on whether, in certain situations, the punishment is harsh enough
Nowhere in EVE is safe... true this is difficult for beginners, but it's something you gotta learn. Don'y fly what you can't afford lose lose and all that jazz...
Sure, EVE is a role-playing game, but that doesn't mean that the world should function exactly how you want.
After the wardec nerf, hi-sec is a lot safer for those in player corporations. For those in NPC corps, unless you're AFK hauling expensive gear you'll probably be OK.
If you want to pursue the route of making hisec 'safer', I would suggest you look at trying to convince CCP to put in insurance nerfs for people sho get CONCORDed etc.
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Ki An
Gallente
KDM Corp
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:39:00 -
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Tbh, after you enter your credit card details to sign up for the game, there should be a comfirmation box stating "You can and will get killed in systems of any security status. It is not an exploit to attack players in high sec, and your loss will not be reimbursed. Are you sure you want to subscribe to this game?" That way we wouldn't have one of these posts every week.
Oh, and to the guy who got suicide ganked... lol
/Ki
Remember kids:
Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
IDesert FoxI
Unknown-Heroes
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:45:00 -
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TBH, with high sec piracy, it usually happens once, and then you learn how to avoid it and not to trust anybody. Its all part of the learning experience. Thats what I like about EVE, its not all sunshine and sweets, its a cruel world.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:46:00 -
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EVE is risk vs reward.
Wanna make highsec = no risk?
Then it should also be highsec = no reward.
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Dietes Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:47:00 -
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This game would be ridiculous if empire were 100 Percent safe
just because you got scammed/pirated whatever doesn't mean the game should change that kind of stuff happends to everyone, including me.
Learn from it
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Nerva M
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:54:00 -
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His post seems to imply that Concord didn't pop the guys, which makes me wonder what he did to give them kill rights. And if Concord did pop them...what do you want? Miss Cleo doesn't work for Concord, they don't know that you're about to get pirated.
I will say tho that you have to be pretty hard up for kill mails to suicide gank a Coercer with a Raven. 
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 18/07/2007 16:57:56
Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 18/07/2007 16:56:56
Hisec piracy is part of the game. No where has it ever said that Hisec is safe, it does say in the game manual that Hisec is safer.
Thankfully, there are alternatives...
Alternatives to hisec piracy
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St0mper
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:58:00 -
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fellow eve-residents.
if the cops dont uphold the law in places they are surposed to, how can they even begin to justify the taxes we are paying in this game, its an outrage taking loads of isk everytime, but only upholding the law and protection they are paid for when they are not eating donuts or out for coffe.
its common knowledge that if you loose mods/ships during a glitch in the server you will get you money back, a glitch is excatly what has happend here. a player flying in no corps that could be at war, losing his ship, no matter what the loos is, it should be paied back.
this is a game yes,,,, only a game and its fun, but as in every game there are guidelines and rules as to what you can and cannot do... if not eveyone would be god in every game.
its also common knowledge that the cops are there for the protection of new players or people who just wants to sit back relax and mine or run missions, without thinking about the worries that a pirate could jump them and take away everything they have been working so hard to gain.
just how do you justify taking money from people but not protecting them when its needed, get those damn ships up and running ccp they are there for our protection.... WTF sort this out!! we just want to have fun in the best game eve-r and know that we can fly safe somewhere. and hunt for sports in other locations...
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Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:04:00 -
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 Originally by: St0mper
fellow eve-residents.
if the cops dont uphold the law in places they are surposed to, how can they even begin to justify the taxes we are paying in this game, its an outrage taking loads of isk everytime, but only upholding the law and protection they are paid for when they are not eating donuts or out for coffe.
its common knowledge that if you loose mods/ships during a glitch in the server you will get you money back, a glitch is excatly what has happend here. a player flying in no corps that could be at war, losing his ship, no matter what the loos is, it should be paied back.
this is a game yes,,,, only a game and its fun, but as in every game there are guidelines and rules as to what you can and cannot do... if not eveyone would be god in every game.
its also common knowledge that the cops are there for the protection of new players or people who just wants to sit back relax and mine or run missions, without thinking about the worries that a pirate could jump them and take away everything they have been working so hard to gain.
just how do you justify taking money from people but not protecting them when its needed, get those damn ships up and running ccp they are there for our protection.... WTF sort this out!! we just want to have fun in the best game eve-r and know that we can fly safe somewhere. and hunt for sports in other locations...
If you were in Mogodishu, carrying $1,000,000,000 worth of the Queen's Crown Jewels, would you call the local police department to arrange security or would you hire a security team?
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Kalibas
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:05:00 -
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As a new player, I would just like to point out that I have no idea what you people are talking about. Does this mean that I am unsafe in 0.8 and 0.9 zones or what?
I went through the tutorial last night, and looking through the player guide last night as well as right now to double-check, this is all I found about security zones:
Quote:
ò Enter space with security status below 0.5 at own risk. You can NEVER expect to be safe in unsecured space regardless of sentry guns, CONCORD presence, and such.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:06:00 -
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Another alt? 
Simply: No. And this from a HighSec Carebear.
There are many ways to not get ganked and many tools to keep yourself safe. Use them.
As others said, learn from the experience and see what you did wrong. Don't haul billions of stuff in a paperbag. Watch where you are going. Don't tell anyone that you are hauling billions of stuff in paperbags (there a spy in your old corp maybe?), etc.
EvE keeps you alert, even in High Sec, you should never be 100% safe. The only mechanics that might need changing is for the ones blown up by Concord to get no insurance.
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St0mper
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:06:00 -
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Mogodishu is not a high sec area... but if i where in copenhagen i would call the local police cause that would be high sec compared to yea well any other place.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kalibas
As a new player, I would just like to point out that I have no idea what you people are talking about. Does this mean that I am unsafe in 0.8 and 0.9 zones or what?
I went through the tutorial last night, and looking through the player guide last night as well as right now to double-check, this is all I found about security zones:
Quote:
ò Enter space with security status below 0.5 at own risk. You can NEVER expect to be safe in unsecured space regardless of sentry guns, CONCORD presence, and such.
Anyone can try to blow you up at any time. Concord WILL respond, but like real life police are rarely there fast enough to stop them from killing you.
The secret to being "safe" while hauling stuff is to make it cost the attackers more than they can potentially earn from the wreckage. Basically, fly in ships that are tough enough to last for Concord to get there and haul less in value than the cost it takes the enemy to replace ships and fittings.
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Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Krezeb
Caldari
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:10:00 -
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You moved a Thanatos BPO in a DESTROYER?
No-one to blame here but yourself. As the devs stated, hi-Sec is safer, NOT safe. Why didn't you take precautions? You shouldn't move anything valuable in anything less than a Transport Ship. Done properly you would have lived long enough for CONCORD to squash the pirates.
Just my 0.02 ISK
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New Sig Pending.... |
Christari Zuborov
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: St0mper
Mogodishu is not a high sec area... but if i where in copenhagen i would call the local police cause that would be high sec compared to yea well any other place.
I guess that all depends on just what you're transporting though doesn't it? and that's my point.
If you have something that someone else wants, unless you take every precaution possible which would include the hiring of a security team, you wouldn't get the insurance for said items due to neglect.
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Demetrio Beso
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:14:00 -
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They should just forbid it by in game law and people trying to gank other people in high sec should get punished instantly like it used to be bfor all these patches.
U know aswell when u fired 1 shot at another dude u where concorded instantly, so why isnt this happened now?
Are the rules changed? Do they want us to go fight in high sec space. Well it would be a good change for once but ffs create a new scene then and remove the High Security Space from the map and lets all wreak havoc and destroy the most part of this game we call Eve, our game.
They guy got ganked in high sec space, Just reimburse the guy his lost things and fix your Game, or change the game but make it public for all. |
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 18/07/2007 17:14:34
Originally by: Kalibas
As a new player, I would just like to point out that I have no idea what you people are talking about. Does this mean that I am unsafe in 0.8 and 0.9 zones or what?
That is correct. If someone wants to kill you, they can do so in any system. The only place where you cannot be killed is in a station.
However, if someone tries to kill a neutral target in 0.5+ space, CONCORD will destroy their ship. They might not be destroyed in time to save the target, but they attackers will be destroyed. Your safety in hi-sec space comes from the fact that you are not normally worth the effort to kill, so nobody kills you.
Give them a reason ( like having an untanked Hulk with T2 Ice Harvesters mining AFK in a belt  ) and they will kill you if they can figure out a cost effective way to do it quickly.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Originally by: St0mper
Mogodishu is not a high sec area... but if i where in copenhagen i would call the local police cause that would be high sec compared to yea well any other place.
I guess that all depends on just what you're transporting though doesn't it? and that's my point.
If you have something that someone else wants, unless you take every precaution possible which would include the hiring of a security team, you wouldn't get the insurance for said items due to neglect.
Yep, shame so many people don't get this (judged by the OMG! I got ganked! threads each week).
In your example I would move the jewels with an armored vehicle (BS, heavily tanked most likely) WITH an escort.
The computers would go in the back of my grocery-getter (destroyer or cruiser).
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Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Speed Devil
Caldari
Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:16:00 -
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ur a total idiot for transporting a thanatos bpo in a fragile destroyer. u deserved it to get popped.
as for concord not protecting u... when i pull out my gun when standing next to u and a cop and i shoot u through ur head, do u think the cop will be fast enough to react? hmmm? thought not 
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Demetrio Beso
They should just forbid it by in game law and people trying to gank other people in high sec should get punished instantly like it used to be bfor all these patches.
U know aswell when u fired 1 shot at another dude u where concorded instantly, so why isnt this happened now?
Are the rules changed? Do they want us to go fight in high sec space. Well it would be a good change for once but ffs create a new scene then and remove the High Security Space from the map and lets all wreak havoc and destroy the most part of this game we call Eve, our game.
They guy got ganked in high sec space, Just reimburse the guy his lost things and fix your Game, or change the game but make it public for all.
The game isn't broken, its intended mechanics.
If he posted the logs it probably took about 12 seconds to destroy his ship. Concord would have been there and destroyed the attackers in another 2-3 seconds. had he even used a CRUISER instead of a DD he would have been safe and survived.
EvE is supposed to be a dangerous world, NOT safe. The Devs say this repeatedly. Concord is retaliation (like the police in real life), not "safety". If the Devs wanted 100% safety Concord wouldn't exist but you couldn't lock a ship in High Sec.
The danger is part of the game. This isn't "Hello Kitty Online".
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Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Nerva M
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kalibas
As a new player, I would just like to point out that I have no idea what you people are talking about. Does this mean that I am unsafe in 0.8 and 0.9 zones or what?
I went through the tutorial last night, and looking through the player guide last night as well as right now to double-check, this is all I found about security zones:
Yes and no. High Sec is generally safe unless you're in a PC Corporation that gets war decced, or you get suicide ganked, i.e. someone kills you and then gets killed by Concord. But generally you only have to worry about suicide ganks if you severely **** someone off, or do something incredibly silly like hauling a billion ISK worth of goods in a ship with no tank.
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Ki An
Gallente
KDM Corp
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Demetrio Beso
They should just forbid it by in game law and people trying to gank other people in high sec should get punished instantly like it used to be bfor all these patches.
U know aswell when u fired 1 shot at another dude u where concorded instantly, so why isnt this happened now?
Are the rules changed? Do they want us to go fight in high sec space. Well it would be a good change for once but ffs create a new scene then and remove the High Security Space from the map and lets all wreak havoc and destroy the most part of this game we call Eve, our game.
They guy got ganked in high sec space, Just reimburse the guy his lost things and fix your Game, or change the game but make it public for all.
Excuse me, but when was this ever a fact? Do you mean before the implementation of Concord when you could attack anyone without even losing your ship? Do you mean before Concord got boosted to such a degree that it was near impossible to kill them? Do you mean before tanking Concord was made an exploit?
You have no idea what you are talking about, and should probably stfu.
/Ki
Remember kids:
Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:31:00 -
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OP, hopefully you were on a free trial...
Whoever informed you about EVE forgot to mention it's a griefer haven compared to other MMO's...
You can, and will be killed in high sec space by the best PvP'ers this game has to offer.
Again, hope you're on a trial account...
Building the homestead
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Redd Lenses
Gallente
Murder-Death-Kill
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: IONZ
Petition Body
I have been playing EVE since September of '04. I love the game and really chose to stay out of harms way. I have joined Corps that have been involved in wars and battles and have chosen to stay away from this sort of game play. High Security systems should be a safe haven for players like my self as well as new players coming in to the game. If they are attacked in a system that is supposed to be considered a safe system they are going to be turned off quickly. There is an exploit out there that CCP is not addressing. Let's put the scams aside for now. There are plenty out there but the one that is obvious is High Security Pirating. This should not be allowed. A system with a security status of 0.5 or higher should be secure for players like myself and new players to build a wealth and consider moving in to higher risk areas. If this sort of action continue then how are new people supposed to make it in this game. We would be forced to join a corp when that may not be what we are wanting.
I have another character IONZ that I am retiring. I started this character a week or so ago to take a new look at EVE and a new direction. I had just completed transferring all my assets from IONZ to DILLI GAF and was transporting them through a route that was supposed to be safe. 1 jump from my final destination i was attacked and lost well over a billion in assets. i of which was a Thanatos BPO. Bellow is the kill mail lI received showing the items I lost. I truly think that this issue should be addressed and these systems should remain a safe place for players that do not want to get caught up in all the politics and war that is in EVE. We should be allowed to chose our place in this game, make our own path even if this means not having to deal with pirates. These pirates should be forced to engage in this sort of activity in systems with the security status of 0.4 or lower. This is where lawlessness should be upheld and not in the systems that the law is in place. In the real world if I was mugged and the police showed up but did not do anything they would be the ones responsible for the actions of the pirates. Concord is in place to POTECT AND SERVE as any other law enforcement. CCP NEEDS to address this issue and I would hope give me back the items I lost. This is a game but we do not spend countless hours and money to support it to take such a blow in which you ask yourself WTF!
KILL MAIL
2007.07.18 05:40
Victim: DILLI GAF
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Royal Amarr Institute
Destroyed: Coercer
System: Madirmilire
Security: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: Rexxar Civire (laid the final blow)
Security: 4.6
Alliance: Triumvirate.
Corp: Murder-Death-Kill
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Name: calyannanna
Security: -1.6
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic Military School
Ship: Thrasher
Weapon: 280mm Howitzer Artillery I
lol... watch this:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0703/Karma.avi
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 18/07/2007 17:32:29
it makes me feel dirty...
agreeing with Ki An
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon |
Rafein
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:34:00 -
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I take it you were also slowboating, AFK auto-pilot hauling when it happened. Being at the keyboard, with warp to zero, and jumping when you land, you should be pretty immune when hauling even in a destroyer with a Thanatos BP. Should be able to warp and jump before you get cargoscanned to see if your worth killing.
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