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Szprinkoth Sponsz Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:45:00 - [91] Originally by: Renosha Argaron Roy i would see your point had he been in low sec and been on auto pilot, but that was not the case....autopilot is there for a reason. Guns are there for a reason: For me to shoot your ship in highsec. Do the canary spin!
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:50:00 - [92] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ki An Originally by: DILLI GAF Watch EVE TV.... No thanks, I'm not as wealthy IRL as I am in game. Could you summarize it for me? /Ki Originally by: EVETV A lot of whining has been going on over high-sec ganking. Lol! Is that it? /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:51:00 - [93] Originally by: Renosha Argaron Roy i would see your point had he been in low sec and been on auto pilot, but that was not the case....autopilot is there for a reason. snip for space ....all im saying is the guy was in high sec...regardless if he was on autopilot or what ship he was in....traviling threw high sec should be relativly safe if you are not under the threat of war dec's As I said, at the core of it it's about wanting the ability to take your security for granted. Without thought. Without planning. That's the motivation. It's about removing risk without requiring any personal effort. I prefer a game that keeps you on your toes and requires you to think a bit. And it doesn't take that much extra effort to avoid this sort of thing in highsec. So, my opinion hasn't changed. It's about wanting to be lazy. He played lazy and got burned. Now he and you are indignant and are coming here angrily demanding the right to continue to play lazy without consequence. Sorry, still a hard sell. Originally by: DILLI GAF I want to point a few things out to people here. 1.Not all of us have time to spend drooling in front of our computer playing a game. This is why I have enjoyed EVE. There are many tasks I can perform with out having to be right there. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way. Judas priest. Thanks for just coming out and saying it finally. So you don't have time to actually play Eve but you feel you should be able to make isk anyway. Advocate macroing as well? Originally by: DILLI GAF 2.People buy High End Items in EVE all the time. If there is no safe place for us to obtain these items we may as well pull the plug on Concord and make the game the Wild West. 3.EVE is a unique environment which sets it apart. However, They do need to cater to all who play. If pirates want to ***and pillage then they should be allowed to do so in low sec systems. But if people like my self who are industrialist and business people we should feel like we have a game environment to play in as well. People move highend stuff around all the time. And they do it without getting ganked. What's wrong with you? Originally by:** DILLI GAF 4.I am sure this will happen again to many others. If we want to see EVE grow then I feel CCP should really look at this EXPLOIT! Other wise we should all camp in Jita and GANK everyone that comes in. This is the mother load. Unfortunately Large Corps control the game economy so us small guys trying to make it in the game are being EXPLOITED because of the suicide pirating. My thoughtsà you donÆt have to like them. They are mine. It's not an exploit just because you say it is. Fit a tank, fit some istabs, use wtz, drool on your keyboard. CHANGE THE WAY YOU PLAY instead of demanding the game be changed to suit your lazy arse. ------------------- WE'RE SORRY, SOMETHING HAPPENED
DILLI GAF	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:57:00 - [94] Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 22:57:21 Like I said... It seems as though EVE is corrupted with a bunch of prix. I do plenty of thinking and plenty of planning. Just because I do not feel like flying all the time doesnt mean I am lazy... I do plenty in game to achieve what MY goal is. So I got burned this time... Thats fine.. I have learned that EVE is just jammed pack full of idiots like yourself. This is why I have a select few friends and only deal with them in game. EVE is an ego driven environment that will fall apart. Do you really think that it is going to get better going down the road we are going? I dont see it... I could be wrong and will admit it when I am proven otherwise. But until then There are plenty of others that feel the same way I do.
Sean Dillon Caldari Naughty 40	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:02:00 - [95] Originally by: DILLI GAF Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 22:57:21 Like I said... It seems as though EVE is corrupted with a bunch of prix. I do plenty of thinking and plenty of planning. Just because I do not feel like flying all the time doesnt mean I am lazy... I do plenty in game to achieve what MY goal is. So I got burned this time... Thats fine.. I have learned that EVE is just jammed pack full of idiots like yourself. This is why I have a select few friends and only deal with them in game. EVE is an ego driven environment that will fall apart. Do you really think that it is going to get better going down the road we are going? I dont see it... I could be wrong and will admit it when I am proven otherwise. But until then There are plenty of others that feel the same way I do. You take this game way to seriously, things like this have been going on for ages already.
DILLI GAF	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:05:00 - [96] Listen... I made the mistake of using auto pilot. No big deal. This whole discussion was brought on to get opinions. Not insults on how stupid i was or anyone else for that matter. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about this and see what I have to look forward to. I will change how I play. I am not quiting because of a small setback. No big deal. Think about my name... DILLI GAF Do you know what it stands for? Do I Look Like I Give A F*** Its just a game guys/gals.... Lighten up. Just tell me your thoughts... thats it. I took the final blow not you.
Sean Dillon Caldari Naughty 40	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:08:00 - [97] Did I meet ypur main in uedama last week?
DILLI GAF	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:12:00 - [98] Originally by: Sean Dillon Did I meet ypur main in uedama last week? Dont know... who would that be anyway?
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:13:00 - [99] Edited by: Ki An on 18/07/2007 23:13:40 Originally by: DILLI GAF Edited by: DILLI GAF on 18/07/2007 22:57:21 Like I said... It seems as though EVE is corrupted with a bunch of prix. I do plenty of thinking and plenty of planning. Just because I do not feel like flying all the time doesnt mean I am lazy... I do plenty in game to achieve what MY goal is. So I got burned this time... Thats fine.. I have learned that EVE is just jammed pack full of idiots like yourself. This is why I have a select few friends and only deal with them in game. EVE is an ego driven environment that will fall apart. Do you really think that it is going to get better going down the road we are going? I dont see it... I could be wrong and will admit it when I am proven otherwise. But until then There are plenty of others that feel the same way I do. Yes, the fact that we disagree with you is because we are a bunch of 'prix' and has nothing at all to do with you having failed to understand the game you are playing, and being generally wrong in every possible way. Look, you are obviously very young, but stop being so stubborn about this and try to accept the fact that this sort of thing has been going on for ages, isn't going to change, and is a major part of the game. Whining on the forums isn't going to help you against suicide gankers in the future. Altering the way you play the game is. Don't auto pilot with valuable cargo. Don't fill your paper ship with valuable cargo at all, get a transport/freighter/battleship for that. Be aware of your surroundings, and check the map. Don't make an ass out of yourself on the forums, as it will only paint a big target icon on your ship. You've already told every suicide ganker out there that you aren't about to change at all, and that you will keep putting billions in paper ships. Can anyone say 'locator agent'? /Edit: Apparently you have now come to your senses. Good on you! /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ki An Originally by: DILLI GAF Watch EVE TV.... No thanks, I'm not as wealthy IRL as I am in game. Could you summarize it for me? /Ki Originally by: EVETV A lot of whining has been going on over high-sec ganking. Lol! Is that it? /Ki They do say there has been a 'massive' increase in attacks on freighters (which actually has no relevance to this thread), but no figures are given, and they point out that the CONCORD attacking drone change should cut down on it a bit. They then also point out that most players don't mind it. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:18:00 - [101] Originally by: Ki An Yes, the fact that we disagree with you is because we are a bunch of 'prix' and has nothing at all to do with you having failed to understand the game you are playing, and being generally wrong in every possible way. And a sig is born. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:28:00 - [102] I am a Carebear. I have never ganked, scammed, stole, looted, etc anyone else in game. I never will. I whine (or DID whine) about Privateers. I run from wardecs, I don't engage when someone steals my ore, I am in a NPC corp now because I believe the wardec system is broken. I don't go to LowSec and have never been to 0.0 nor do I want to. I have never been ganked (not that I don't think it will happen some day), I have never been scammed. Someday those things will happen because of the nature of the game, but when it does the ones that do it won't make any ISK; because I am careful. And because of players like you whining about it and warned me about such things before I had anything worth stealing There, I have admitted you have done a community service... Ki An and I argue about just about every topic, our viewpoints are complete opposites in most things. Some of those topics have been borderline unpleasant and I have half-expected a visit in game for a few things I've said Except this one. Seriously, I am glad you know where you went wrong and you are not quitting. But this is NOT a game issue; it is a player issue. You have been playing for over 2 years and YOU KNEW THE RISKS. And yet you still stuck incredibly valuable stuff in a ship that is made of tissue paper and then flew the slowest way you could, giving time to scan your cargo. Honestly? I would have been tempted... And that is from a certified Carebear that has never shot at another player. <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Kinomoto Sakura Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:29:00 - [103] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 18/07/2007 18:46:45 Originally by: DILLI GAF This is suppose to be a ROLE PLAYING GAME meaning we chose the path we want to follow. I chose to stay out of harms way and got screwed anyway. Safer, not safe. If you want to stay out of harms way, stay in a station. Oh, and it's not griefing, FFS. I LOVE your signatures ---------------- Game The World.
DILLI GAF	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:38:00 - [104] Thank you all for your input. I have learned one thing here. EVE is not going to change. EVE is going to turn in to a corrupt community. So I suppose the only way I am going to gain in game is to take advantage of this concept. No worries about opening up myself to being targeted... This character is gone. I realized that when i posted this thread. I will begin again and learn from everything you all have taught me today. Good luck to you all and keep flying... one day it may be me at the other end painting you with my target painter. Later and good night! DILLI GAF is dead after tonight.
Christari Zuborov Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:46:00 - [105] Originally by: Renosha Argaron I treat people on eve how i would treat any person in RL....i give people respect until they do something for me to withdraw that respect and im very proud of the fact that i bring my RL morals along for the ride with me on to eve. Renosha Please tell me you aren't really going here. I mean, with all your morals and everything, what do they tell you about being an arms dealer?
Lorimer	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:50:00 - [106] Print + Secure Can + Warp to 0 or even Print + Secure Can That way the nasty "piwate's" with cargo scanners can't get ya
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:55:00 - [107] Originally by: DILLI GAF EVE is not going to change. EVE is going to turn in to a corrupt community. Which is it? - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
DILLI GAF	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:59:00 - [108] I will translate... he is Minmatar so I will help. Blue Print + Secure Can = Safety Put your BPO/BPC in secure can so pirates cant scan. Not 100% but better then nothing.
Rexxar Civire Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.19 00:09:00 - [109] The system is not broken what so ever. I lost a gank fitted raven and the loot I was going after blew up as well. I also took a risk that the Thanatos Blueprint was an original. ( there is no way to tell the difference via scanning ) So looking at it this way , ... its clear your mistake by autopiloting a Coercer through high sec only caused us both to lose. Suicide ganking is a very risky bussiness, especially when you use battleships. For those that are unaware , ... there is no tanking concord , ... you get locked , .. you lag , ... and you are in a pod. Because i had torps fitted i almost didn't finish the job /thanks thrasher alt. In the end i think i about broke even with what dropped , .. i might have lost a little. Either way i got shafted on the drops , ... and that is a functional risk. You certainly learned not to autopilot billions again. I learned that i need to have my painters fitted Rex
DILLI GAF	Posted - 2007.07.19 00:14:00 - [110] Originally by: Rexxar Civire The system is not broken what so ever. I lost a gank fitted raven and the loot I was going after blew up as well. I also took a risk that the Thanatos Blueprint was an original. ( there is no way to tell the difference via scanning ) So looking at it this way , ... its clear your mistake by autopiloting a Coercer through high sec only caused us both to lose. Suicide ganking is a very risky bussiness, especially when you use battleships. For those that are unaware , ... there is no tanking concord , ... you get locked , .. you lag , ... and you are in a pod. Because i had torps fitted i almost didn't finish the job /thanks thrasher alt. In the end i think i about broke even with what dropped , .. i might have lost a little. Either way i got shafted on the drops , ... and that is a functional risk. You certainly learned not to autopilot billions again. I learned that i need to have my painters fitted Rex No worries M8... It is a game. I have just never been in that situation so it took me by surprise. I can replace the bpo so no biggie. Maybe after i creat a new character i can contact you and learn from you on how to adapt to the NEW EVE. Well it is new to me so dont go off on that. Mind me asking what you did come up with. I cant even remember what I had. Good thing I left all my other bpos behind in station for later transport. :)
Ballistic CEO The Ballistic Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.19 00:18:00 - [111] This post can be answered in 2 words: Transport Ship. use the search filter you will find hundred of whiner threads called "IM QUITTING CAUSE I GOT GANKED IN HI SEC WAAAH!" Im getting a little tired of CCP caving to pressure from people such as yourself that havent taken the time to ensure their own safety and i hope this thread gets what it deserves in teh CCP offices: a good laugh. in parting here are another 2 words: you fail.
DILLI GAF	Posted - 2007.07.19 00:22:00 - [112] Originally by: Ballistic CEO This post can be answered in 2 words: Transport Ship. use the search filter you will find hundred of whiner threads called "IM QUITTING CAUSE I GOT GANKED IN HI SEC WAAAH!" Im getting a little tired of CCP caving to pressure from people such as yourself that havent taken the time to ensure their own safety and i hope this thread gets what it deserves in teh CCP offices: a good laugh. in parting here are another 2 words: you fail. Here are 2 words for you... Piz off You haven't read all the threads... it is obvious... no whinning going on... i admitted fault. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about the issue.
DILLI GAF	Posted - 2007.07.19 00:27:00 - [113] I am done with this discussion guys. For those who have posted their opinion on the issue Thank You. There is no need for insult to injury. I lost a lot on this deal and yes it was a learning experience. I will continue playing EVE because I like the game. I however will take a new approach to the game in how I go about my business. Thanks again for those who can have a true discussion. FLY SAFE... There are a lot of CRAZT Fricking People out there!
Ka5pian Gallente Cylon Corp	Posted - 2007.07.19 00:29:00 - [114] ANyone mind if I land my ROFLcopter here ;)
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.19 00:47:00 - [115] I'll tell you what I think. I think that CCP should remove the Autopilot feature and Concorde. There is no need for any of it since it is useless anyway. And then they can remove all Tech2 items and forget about the Tech3 items all along, because no one is going to produce them, and no one will fly with them anyway, since they are way to vulnerable and expensive to own. When did you last see a larger tech2 ship like a Carrier or Dreadnought for sale in Empire? Or how about a Heavy Assault Ship or an Interdictor? In the end we are all going to fight it out in Frigates. No one has the money nor the talent to build anything larger than that, not the guts to fly it! Without a safe place for technology and economy to prosper, the only ones who will gain are the big and strong factions like BoB, who has space enough to hide in and protect their investments, and the seasoned players who are already flying the big ships. And with BoB caliming that they intend to take Empire when they have taken all low-sech space, it is out-right plain stupid by CCP not to make Empire a safer place to prosper and develop in, so that it at least will stand a fignting chance when they are coming.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.19 01:00:00 - [116] Originally by: Corben Ei When did you last see a larger tech2 ship like a Carrier or Dreadnought for sale in Empire? Sigh - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.19 01:23:00 - [117] I want my very own veldnaught... Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Kaishain	Posted - 2007.07.19 01:32:00 - [118] Edited by: Kaishain on 19/07/2007 01:32:31 Does anyone know how viable suicideganks on freighters are these days. Before the patch people said that it took 20-25 Dominixes with T2 large drones to assure a freighterkill and that a cargo worth 2bil+ was enough reason to be attacked? How many dominixes does it require post-patch? 40? 50?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.19 01:49:00 - [119] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 19/07/2007 01:49:11 Originally by: Kaishain How many dominixes does it require post-patch? 40? 50? OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAAND! I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Renosha Argaron Caldari The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.07.19 16:10:00 - [120] Originally by: Christari Zuborov Please tell me you aren't really going here. I mean, with all your morals and everything, what do they tell you about being an arms dealer? What exactly are you on about?....who is the arms dealer?

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