Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.

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Originally by: Klezz

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Im pretty sure that for some odd reason
those ISK Farmers have had their Cloak offline
had to fight and where lucky to come out on top.

But hey every dog gets a bone.

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Originally by: Hilion Narath

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Hey, what ships do you think we would see if cloaking were disabled on Ravens?

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Originally by: Apply

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Am I the only one, who finds annoying the use of unnecessary coloring? It feels like "I have nothing important to say, lets color the whole of it!"...

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Originally by: myself

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The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.

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Originally by: Tonkin

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i would love it for the ones up north to do that.

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Originally by: Shanur

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Oh ok. I thought all macro farmers hid in newbie corps in high sec to avoid being attacked. Interesting to see they are actually trying to stake out their own chunk of 0.0.

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Originally by: band0fdevs

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Edited by: band0fdevs on 19/07/2007 08:07:30
... Obviously if youre ratting in a system and neturals come in u get youre alliane mates aggro their wrecks when they go logoffski u scan em down and make em have one less raven

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Apparently some of the local Isk farmers up in Fountain have been reported killing some of the residents who attempt to hunt NPC pirates in "their" systems. So far I've seen a few killmails from various killboards, listing deaths to their "blobs" of ravens (and the occasional Ishtar/Arazu), where the comments that followed were:

"I was ratting..."
"They jumped me!!! I didn't even go for them!!!"
"What the hell just happened?..."

And many other (quite funny) statements.

Anyone else seen this? Just Curious if it's only happening in Fountain.

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Originally by: Tandori Tanaka

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Basically they were Eve players like everyone else, the only difference was that they were online 16-20 hours a day and did some heavy ratting as long as nothing else was happening ...

Farmer or EvE addict

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Originally by: Big Al

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Here's some food for thought: After maxing out their cloaking raven skills what do you think they are using their training time for?

Coming soon to a pos near you: 150 man blob of phoenix with names like jfwjfwkfjw

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Originally by: Tonkin

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i would love it for the ones up north to do that.

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Originally by: Threv Echandari

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Should this happen- What will the rest of the Eve populace do? What if they start cutting in on say..RA's bottom line? Note that one alliance on the Chinese server already "Owns" 0.0 in Serenity.....
Will Factional Warfare alter this? Isk farmers fighting back in force is a nice twist lets see where they go with it..

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Originally by: Apply

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Am I the only one, who finds annoying the use of unnecessary coloring? It feels like "I have nothing important to say, lets color the whole of it!"...

About farmers shoot back... i might be wrong, but afaik there was a Doomsday pilot, who lead Xelas killboard for a long time. Some of the "farmers" are smarter, than you would think...

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Originally by: djkdhsefkdj

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I've noticed this to... they first scout the belt you are in with a pod ( how obvious is this o_O ) then jump in 2-3 ravens 1 warps at 0, the other at 40 or so and they use different ammo types then what the rats you are hunting use.

Like if your ratting guristas, they will use EM torps.

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Originally by: Shanur

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Oh ok. I thought all macro farmers hid in newbie corps in high sec to avoid being attacked. Interesting to see they are actually trying to stake out their own chunk of 0.0.

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Originally by: Donges

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Hello friends how are you all today? I am fine. My name is Donges and I think it is actually very positive that our isk farming brethren are changing their ways of isk farming and starting to PVP because that is what the game is all about, right? Maybe the thrill of shooting other players will make them change altogether and stop their illegal activities and start being real PVPers instead of mining all day long or ratting or whatever it is that these "players" do and it may be fun to see if they will make a coalition of sorts and declare a part of EVE as isk farming space where they will all rove around in battleship gangs killing people because they come there expecting to kill isk farmers but they are actually pvpers. I think it will be very interesting to see how this whole thing plays out!!! This is just my two cents I just wanted to let you guys know how I feel about this whole matter because my opinion on this is important and I know you all want to know how I feel about this, isn't that right friends.

Your friend,
Donges

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 19/07/2007 19:54:17

Originally by: Shanur

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Oh ok. I thought all macro farmers hid in newbie corps in high sec to avoid being attacked. Interesting to see they are actually trying to stake out their own chunk of 0.0.

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Actually the Isk farmers I was talking about are actually in a newly formed corporation, inside an alliance I've never heard about in the past. From some local chat, I've found out that they are actively trying to defend a certain part of fountain for their ravens. Harboring isk farmers is such a rampant problem in EVE right now :(

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macro's recored mouse movements prior to using the program to acheive the desired effect ie: repetitive tasks not random stuff.

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.

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No, it wouldn't people would just use proxy servers to fake their IP addresses. I really wish people would stop suggesting this one.

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Name the Alliance!

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Originally by: Vrizuh

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.

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I believe China has laws about playing any computer games longer than x hours (I think x=4). If a government of a future superpower cannot stop them, what is a small Iceland company supposed to do? Besides, they aren't here to play, they're here to work. The Chinese players are on their own server, or else are here PLAYING and there should be nothing against them doing so.

Lastly, most use Canadian proxies iirc. Even companies that could probably buy small nations (Blizzard) have an epidemic of them and cannot stop it. I am confident that CCP will handle this better than most mmo companies. Nulsec isn't safe. As long as they boost nulsec, and continue to use a sp system that cannot be power levelled then the farmers will always be taking losses.

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Originally by: Sean Dillon

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If they attack, thats just great. Get a dictor in system, drop bubble cyno carrier in and pew pew.

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Name the Alliance!

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NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated)

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Originally by: Tandori Tanaka

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ôThe Farmers were created by the goldfarming industry. They Rebelled. They Evolved. They Look and Feel like EvE players. Some get paid to PvP. There are many copies. And they have a Plan.ö

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Originally by: "Orestes Umnon"

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An easy way to spot when isk farmers are mad: they stop using broken english and just start spamming boxes at you, with random punctuation sprinked here and there

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Name the Alliance!

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NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated)

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Originally by: Aakron

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you cant even say the ingame ship name "d a m n a t i on"

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I still can't get over the fact that they have actually adapted. They really are like monkeys...

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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Trust me when I say if they decide to fight back there is going to be alot of cry babies on these boards whining about farmers pwning all the good spots in 0.0, right now they don;t fight because logging out is easiest, and waiting you out, but as you can see try to take over the place that feeds them REAL LIFE food and they like a cornered rat will fight back and they will beat yourarse more often than not, because they will always have more firepower, and they have endless accounts and time to do stuff like using a throw away pod to scout you out first.

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Apparently some of the local Isk farmers up in Fountain have been reported killing some of the residents who attempt to hunt NPC pirates in "their" systems. So far I've seen a few killmails from various killboards, listing deaths to their "blobs" of ravens (and the occasional Ishtar/Arazu), where the comments that followed were:

"I was ratting..."
"They jumped me!!! I didn't even go for them!!!"
"What the hell just happened?..."

And many other (quite funny) statements.

Anyone else seen this? Just Curious if it's only happening in Fountain.

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Originally by: bunmastahflex

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Name the Alliance!

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NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated)

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if what you say is true, that is truly disheartening.

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Originally by: bunmastahflex

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Name the Alliance!

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NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated)

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if what you say is true, that is truly disheartening.

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Yup, Got the logs, killmails, and names of about ten macros inside a corporation called "hopes of pirate" (TBH, if you ask me, it even sounds like a macro corp ) who reside in the "NASA" alliance.

It also seems they are getting bolder by the day.
And just for kicks, some funny chat log I ran across:

Macro > Why then you do have to pursue kill me?
Alt > we don't like isk farmers
Alt > the isk you earn goes to your boss
Alt > then he sells it, for real money
Alt > it ruins the game
Macro > You also are the ISK farmer
Alt > now if you would play the game like it was meant to be played, (for fun) then possibly, less people would hunt you.
Alt > nope
Alt > I myself am only here for a short time
Alt > That and I don't sell my isk for money
Alt > I use it to have fun, in a game
Alt > that game is EVE
Macro > We certainly cannot use ISK to receive in exchange for the money
Alt > That's a lie and you know it
Macro > NO
Alt > You're not very convincing
Macro > Does not believe me, I do not need to explain with you
Alt > is that so?
Alt > then what do you use your isk for?
Alt > OTHER THAN PAYING YOUR CORP OR BUYING A NEW RAVEN AND CLOAK
Macro > not your business

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Originally by: Aakron

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you cant even say the ingame ship name "d a m n a t i on"

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Originally by: bunmastahflex

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guess i'll be having a chat with alexi borizkova and knifey mcshanker... not that i'm demanding they do something about it...

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Originally by: bunmastahflex

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guess i'll be having a chat with alexi borizkova and knifey mcshanker... not that i'm demanding they do something about it...

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I've heard that their alliance is actually decent, don't know why they would harbor isk farmers if they knew better... but then again. This is EVE, anybody will do anything for some extra isk... and we all know that isk farmers have plenty to make you look the other way.

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Originally by: Aakron

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you cant even say the ingame ship name "d a m n a t i on"

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Name the Alliance!

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NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated)

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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It's just odd to see them all by themselves in the middle of fountain with none of their alliance mates nearby. Not even a single POS and yet they claim to be "taking over" the local constellation.

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Originally by: KnifeyMcShanker

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I speak for NASA and I can tell you right now that the Chinese characters in the alliance are NOT macro-ers, I talked to them in Alliance chat quite frequently.

We recruited them because no one else would. People saw that they were Chinese and automatically thought they were macro-ers. We constantly have an eye on them, and if anyone can prove to me that they are doing anything against the EULA, please do so and they will be removed from the alliance immediately. Otherwise I suggest you stop bad mouthing alliances based on the race of their players.

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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You have your right to defend your alliance, but I'm basing all my statements on facts and previous experience with "Isk Farmers" (Not necessarily macros). Over my stay in fountain, I've run into numerous characters some that act "normal" and others that do not. The fellows I have in my address book all have the same behavior as the countless isk farmers I've seen around EVE. Now, my facts may not be entirely straight, but I do believe someone mentioned that some of these guys were in Xelas when they were in the region

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Originally by: KnifeyMcShanker

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[HPS] is a 100% Chinese corp, and some of their members were in Xelas, I can confirm. I'm not sure if you realize how hard it is for them to recruit Chinese players on Tranquility. (I honestly don't know why they don't play on the China server.) Hopemoon spoke with me before recruiting ex-Xelas and I told him that as long as their isk remains theirs and that none of it is sold, they are acceptable.

Like I said, we have an eye on them. But if you are convinced they are macro-ers and isk sellers, please show me some proof. Or hey, ask a GM to investigate them. I will support this because I am confident that the GM will find them completely legit.

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Thank you for not completely flaming me, props for that. However, I still hold to my views and will continue to seek evidence. They act too much like the isk farmers that I have had reported (and some banned) in the past, thus I am determined. Sorry ahead of time if nothing comes of this, but I have a very personal thing against these types of players.

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Originally by: KnifeyMcShanker

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(I honestly don't know why they don't play on the China server.)

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Originally by: Caios

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Originally by: Tandori Tanaka

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Basically they were Eve players like everyone else, the only difference was that they were online 16-20 hours a day and did some heavy ratting as long as nothing else was happening ...

Farmer or EvE addict

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That's different from a normal eve player how?

Did they say they were farmers, or was it just assumed because of their nationality?

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Originally by: Saladin

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Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.

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Originally by: Gloomrake Ono

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I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

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Originally by: Saladin

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Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.

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Originally by: Del369

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Originally by: Gloomrake Ono

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I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

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Proven by who ? by you ? funny thing is if it was proven they would be banned not pvp'ing in their respective Alliances, and your alliances in game credibility really gives you the right to throw around accusations about other players doesn't it ?

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Originally by: Gloomrake Ono

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Originally by: Del369

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Originally by: Gloomrake Ono

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I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

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Proven by who ? by you ? funny thing is if it was proven they would be banned not pvp'ing in their respective Alliances, and your alliances in game credibility really gives you the right to throw around accusations about other players doesn't it ?

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Reputation

Get a grip.

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Originally by: Saladin

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Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.

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Originally by: Pan Crastus

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I guess the ISK farmers found out that those people who consider hunting farmers a challenge aren't the best and brightest of the PVPers around. ;-)

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Originally by: Del369

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Originally by: Gloomrake Ono

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Originally by: Del369

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Originally by: Gloomrake Ono

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I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

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Proven by who ? by you ? funny thing is if it was proven they would be banned not pvp'ing in their respective Alliances, and your alliances in game credibility really gives you the right to throw around accusations about other players doesn't it ?

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Reputation

Get a grip.

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Well there at least we agree
But sorry after everything that's transpired the passed few months I can't help but feel that the hypocracy meter has been blown right off the end of the scale when it comes to players who don't speak english, if people are found to be isk farming macro'ing isk sellers then they are banned, all the rest is simply baseless accusation and conjecture, mind you i do realise that goes 2 ways....

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Originally by: N'irrti

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got ganked by 4 of them today

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Originally by: Splagada

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SEED ME DADDY

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Originally by: Danny Centurai

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Originally by: N'irrti

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got ganked by 4 of them today

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This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.

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Originally by: Nicocat

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Glad to see my old alliance is actually getting attention, even if it is quite negative. Anyhoo, I must say that no, NASA doesn't harbor macroers, afaik. Farmers, well... there's a reason I left in disgust. =P

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Originally by: Arkanor

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0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.

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Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov

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"Wanna come back to my place for some pew pew?"

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Originally by: lofty29

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I HEREBY DECREE THAT FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, DARK SHIKARI IS TO BE REFERRED TO AS "DUTCH CURRY"

Originally by: aUTOKILL

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go to the eve tv website and watch episode 2.

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Originally by: el369

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buesrew aren't isk farmers, blah blah blah

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Originally by: Danny Centurai

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Originally by: N'irrti

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got ganked by 4 of them today

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This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.

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Originally by: Nicocat

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Glad to see my old alliance is actually getting attention, even if it is quite negative. Anyhoo, I must say that no, NASA doesn't harbor macroers, afaik. Farmers, well... there's a reason I left in disgust. =P

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Originally by: Aakron

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you cant even say the ingame ship name "d a m n a t i on"

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Your knowledge of farmers is pretty nice. But ask yourself. These [HPS] players, have you ever seen them outside of their ratting grounds? Besides traveling back and forth with their loot, have you seen them participate with any other activities? Have they taken part in any alliance activities? Operations? I, for one, have not. And with some simple digging, they appear to have never even left Fountain. These are some of the things you look for when investigating isk farmers. I wish if could be different, I wish people wouldn't sell isk for money, but the facts and evidence proves otherwise in this case.

I've spent quite some time following isk farmers and investigating them the best I can with the available tools. I know how they run and how they die. These characters have no standings with anyone but CONCORD and the rats they kill. No agents, no nothing. They all fly Ravens. They all fit cloaks. Some of them were even made within the same hour. Although, In this case, I've noticed that they actually do have a few pvp'er within their corp, but they exist MERELY to protect their ravens. The proof is there, now it's only a matter of time.

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Originally by: N'irrti

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Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:13:54
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:05:11

Originally by: Danny Centurai

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Originally by: N'irrti

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got ganked by 4 of them today

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This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.

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Yes they are farmers. Only Standings they have are to Concord and Guristas. They have all 2 Stabs + Cloak fitted, they are all in Ravens. Hell even the Maller that scrambled me had at least 1 Stabs + Cloak, they are 23/7 logged in. I didn't say they are chinese but they definatly don't do anything else then farming.

edit: reread your post again - ahhhr it's too early

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Originally by: Danny Centurai

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Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.

I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 13:42:55

Originally by: Danny Centurai

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Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.

I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).

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Like I said they do have some PVP'ers. I've run into hopemoon myself, he flys a mean Arazu and nano+cloaking-Ishtar, but that doesn't count for most of the rest. But on the contrary, their ravens do happen to fit 2x stabs and cloaks. Numerous occasions of them warping off when they've been scrambled and/or disappearing when a prober shows up.

The fact of the matter remains: they're all out in fountain ratting 23/7. Where does all this isk go? Unless they are funding some other supar sekrit alliance/corporation operation, I really don't know what else they could possibly be doing with it all.

One of the members of [HPS] even admitted to selling isk, and CCP should be investigating this as we speak. Hopefully I will be turning in more names soon as well.

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Originally by: Danny Centurai

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I honestly hope they are. ISK farmers should be banned yeah thats plain old simple. How ever I have seen most of these guys and know they aren't farmers. I can't personally defend every member; but I can say NASA doesn't support harboring ISK farmers and if they are farmers we get F$%" all from it. I really want to know who you really are and where you are getting your information from. Post it on our forums or something I want to see it, will help us resolve the problem of which I am yet to see.

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Originally by: Danny Centurai

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Edited by: Danny Centurai on 24/07/2007 12:35:45

Originally by: N'irrti

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Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:13:54
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:05:11

Originally by: Danny Centurai

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Originally by: N'irrti

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got ganked by 4 of them today

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This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.

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Yes they are farmers. Only Standings they have are to Concord and Guristas. They have all 2 Stabs + Cloak fitted, they are all in Ravens. Hell even the Maller that scrambled me had at least 1 Stabs + Cloak, they are 23/7 logged in. I didn't say they are chinese but they definatly don't do anything else then farming.

edit: reread your post again - ahhhr it's too early

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Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.

I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).

EDIT: sorry about double posting but I like to reply to everyone separately.

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Originally by: N'irrti

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sorry to bust your little dream. I killed one of them by anchoring a bubble in a belt. he had 2 stabs + cloak fitted

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Originally by: Danny Centurai

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Actually keep killing ratting ravens because if they are ISK farmers then they will ú$"% off. =)

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Originally by: Loyal Servant

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OK.. I have to bite.. again....

Isk farming in delve and the surrounding area ....
(I still have jumpclones down there)

I saw some bobbits chasing isk farmers around and asked them - and they told me flat out they were chasing isk farmers.

Good? Hell yes because I suspected BOB harbored them in the C3N area.

They did not chase me. Again, a change from the norm.

I ran thru catch and saw some isk farming ops and some IAC just hanging out like it was no big deal...

I suspect IAC is still harboring them in catch.

Then, last but not least ran thru providence and after some exchanges in local with some CVA tards...
(former TSDS and all )

They gave chase, despite their 'no piracy' rule and they called me a 'known pirate'
(Ok, but I don't pirate anymore TARDS...)

In the end I did end up finding ratting ravens shooting sanshas in known isk farmer corps in providence.

So, again, CVA is harboring them still.

Next stop: RAGOONS area and I may take a run down to the former ASCN stronghold, because there were a ton down there last I heard.

But let me sum this up for you guys at IAC before the flames start...
When TSDS lived in stain if we had any neutral group be it an isk farmer, unknown or otherwise reported in our defense nets it was shown the border to our space really fast.

We lived down there for years, as BOB can attest to since we liked to harass the renters in C3N and go on bob gank rampages. :)

Basically, I am shocked to see that BOB has started to take some proactive approach even if it is just a little.

I am waiting for IAC and CVA in the south to do it as well.

Your favorite farmer killer!

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Originally by: Dysfunctionality

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Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 07:02:45

Originally by: Nicocat

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Glad to see my old alliance is actually getting attention, even if it is quite negative. Anyhoo, I must say that no, NASA doesn't harbor macroers, afaik. Farmers, well... there's a reason I left in disgust. =P

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If I said Macro's I didn't mean to, the word seems to stick when it comes to these topics. Isk Farmers is the correct term.

I'd also like to add the fact of the existence of the Chinese server. It exists for a reason. I don't see why they wouldn't play on that server, being it's probably a HUGE hassle playing on Tranq. instead.

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Originally by: Dian Cecht

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Don't talk to me about NHS waiting lists!

My wife got pregnant and we had to wait 9 months before they would deliver it! And don't be fooled, they don't even deliver it!

Originally by: Mr Friendly

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you're sounding a bit rascist, tbh. Why don't the swedes and the russians get off of the 'english' server, then? Gee, maybe because we have 10x the active population and presumably a much better/interesting economy on tranq? Language barriers are inevitable on a non-sharded world, you dolt. You're lumping every asian into the same group, without thought. Grow up.

Limit your discussion to blatant isk sellers, not to people that don't speak European languages. Otherwise you're a bloody racist pig.

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Originally by: Hardin

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This is complete nonsense - which tbh is all I can expect from a former TSDS who classifies us all as 'tards'.

CVA has always taken a strong stance agains macroers. Indeed many of our pilots earn their isk hunting them down.

We have over time ejected corporations from Providence for harbouring macroers and indeed we almost declared war on NOS alliance (our neighbours) when at one stage they seemed to be protecting a known macroer corp. Fortunately NOS chucked the offending corporation out under pressure from CVA.

I am not saying there are no macroers in Providence but those that do certainly don't get an easy ride from the CVA. Indeed my own impression is that 'macro' numbers in Providence have been in substantial decline over the past months as CVA has tightened its grip on the region.

If you are upset because we still shoot you I would suggest that you talk to one of our diplomats. We keep all our enemies KOS until they request to come off it.

Obviously chance of being removed from KOS by smearing us and calling us 'tards' really is slim.

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