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The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:02:00 - [1] Edited by: The Hooch on 20/07/2007 16:05:24 Ok, lets say a large 0.0 alliance gets back stabbed by an an alliance noted for training new players. Now lets also say that said offended alliance approached a high sec pirate alliance to deal with them for their poor choices for a considerable price, would they be called noob killers and because they took the sanction as a legit contract? Just a thought Hooch, the conflicted
Nun Izon Gallente The Exodus Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:04:00 - [2] I wouldnt class them as noob killers. Surely the Alliance knew what it was doing when it back stabbed the other?
Moon Kitten Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:04:00 - [3] Business is business. You have to be completely neutral when it comes to mercenary contracts. Ethics doesn't even enter into the equation. Just ask MC or Outbreak. I live under a bridge
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Moon Kitten Business is business. You have to be completely neutral when it comes to mercenary contracts. Ethics doesn't even enter into the equation. Just ask MC or Outbreak. Why would he ask them about being neutral? -----------------
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:13:00 - [5] that's the joke dummy
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:14:00 - [6] Edited by: Admentus Cor''vion on 20/07/2007 16:13:45 Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: Moon Kitten Business is business. You have to be completely neutral when it comes to mercenary contracts. Ethics doesn't even enter into the equation. Just ask MC or Outbreak. Why would he ask them about being neutral? Ask us about equations. We will intergrate our parabola into your heisenburgs uncertainty principle.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Tetsujin that's the joke dummy tets the proper reply was "blammo" -----------------
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Tetsujin that's the joke dummy tets the proper reply was "blammo" -----------------
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:25:00 - [9] Edited by: TrevorReznik on 20/07/2007 16:25:10 Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 20/07/2007 16:06:18 Ok, lets say a large 0.0 alliance gets back stabbed by an an alliance noted for training new players. Now lets also say that said offended alliance approached a high sec pirate alliance to deal with them for their poor choices for a considerable price, would they be called noob killers because they took the sanction as a legit contract? Just a thought Hooch, the conflicted Why would BoB hire Privateers against Goonswarm? (I guess it could be Finfleet or MPire doing the hiring though, but LV's dead).
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:25:00 - [10] Edited by: TrevorReznik on 20/07/2007 16:25:10 Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 20/07/2007 16:06:18 Ok, lets say a large 0.0 alliance gets back stabbed by an an alliance noted for training new players. Now lets also say that said offended alliance approached a high sec pirate alliance to deal with them for their poor choices for a considerable price, would they be called noob killers because they took the sanction as a legit contract? Just a thought Hooch, the conflicted Why would BoB hire Privateers against Goonswarm? (I guess it could be Finfleet or MPire doing the hiring though, but LV's dead).

Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:33:00 - [11] I would hope you wouldn't be refering to Eve University... I'm not aware of any backstabbing being done by any of our pilots, but with over 1,600 of us, it gets difficult to keep track of everyone. If there have been any problems, I urge those who believe have been wronged to talk to us here in the university - either me or another director (contactable via our public 'Eve University' channel. _____
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:36:00 - [12] My guess would be Privateers have been hired to attack Eve Uni and gank their young players in empire, but meh what do I know. I also could take a guess about the employer, and I think they lied to you about the back stabbing thing I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:38:00 - [13] Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 20/07/2007 16:06:18 Ok, lets say a large 0.0 alliance gets back stabbed by an an alliance noted for training new players. Quote: well, it's a pretty in depth reason, I'm sure part of it is no secret, but roadkill has been comin in, and ore thievin from our noobs in our home system [E-Uni]. We finally got tired of weeks of them thieving from our guys that are like, 2 weeks old, so we started making punitive fleets out into their 0.0 and the low sec they hang in, to well, you know. And, since roadkill and smash are buddie buddie, I gather, they're having smash come to help them against the noobs. surely a backstab by E-Uni!
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.20 16:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Moon Kitten Business is business. You have to be completely neutral when it comes to mercenary contracts. Ethics doesn't even enter into the equation. Just ask MC or Outbreak. Did we ever state that we are mercs or that we are neutral? @op: a contract is a contract, if it's a fun contract that is different question "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Silpher The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:27:00 - [15] Edited by: Silpher on 20/07/2007 17:27:27 Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 20/07/2007 16:06:18 Ok, lets say a large 0.0 alliance gets back stabbed by an an alliance noted for training new players. Now lets also say that said offended alliance approached a high sec pirate alliance to deal with them for their poor choices for a considerable price, would they be called noob killers because they took the sanction as a legit contract? Just a thought Hooch, the conflicted Someone will always be calling someone else names and trash talking no matter who's in the "right" and who's in the "wrong." Someone will most deffinetely accuse them of being noob killers because, well, they're killing noobs, and the person doing the name calling is unaware of what happened to cause it, except they were war dec'd. It's just like Joe in a cloaked recon ambushing billy in a ratting battleship on billy's home terf, and when Billy calls for help, Joe accuses him of not honoring 1v1. In this universe, pilots say what they want, when they want, how they want, about what they want and who they want. --- If after I post my opinion, you feel the need to say, "Oh, guess what BRUCE thinks," go put on a tinfoil hat and praise jesus. It's MY opinion, not BRUCEs.
nickycakes Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:32:00 - [16] like anyone would seriously hire you ---
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:34:00 - [17] Well, I doubt it would tarnish their already gleaming reputation as empire killers. Wylker and Alice Cholmondeley are my fanclub. \0/
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:35:00 - [18] Dropping the diplomat role for the moment and looking at this from a totally clear perspective, I would suggest that if you are conflicted, then you should request more information from both parties. With this kind of thing where the way is not clear, the only way to make a truly informed decision is to get as much information as is possible, and then decide.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Dropping the diplomat role for the moment and looking at this from a totally clear perspective, I would suggest that if you are conflicted, then you should request more information from both parties. With this kind of thing where the way is not clear, the only way to make a truly informed decision is to get as much information as is possible, and then decide. Alternatively they could act like mercs and take the money, take the contract, and start killing. Mercenaries shouldn't really be doing an investigation before hand to find out who has the higher moral ground. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Sylva Moon Eternal Rising EternalRising	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:51:00 - [20] Having done some merc work I can safely say had a contract made me come to the forum in confusion we would have war decced both parties and shot them to death to silence the voices in my head confusing me. that is all o7

Leon Czolgosz Amarr Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Stamm Mercenaries shouldn't really be doing an investigation before hand to find out who has the higher moral ground. The A-Team would.
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:55:00 - [22] Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 20/07/2007 16:06:18 Ok, lets say a large 0.0 alliance gets back stabbed by an an alliance noted for training new players. Now lets also say that said offended alliance approached a high sec pirate alliance to deal with them for their poor choices for a considerable price, would they be called noob killers because they took the sanction as a legit contract? Just a thought Hooch, the conflicted I would shoot my Grandmothers Indy if the money was right. Do what you believe is right, and to hell with what people think Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.20 18:33:00 - [23] The point of this post is the gauge the community thoughts. Sadly I still have a weak spot in me for noobs, on the other hand this is a business and there is no challenge in ganking someone with empty pockets. The last time we attacked "noobs" there were howls of protest and imo we got a rather hugh nerfbat brought down on us. We are on short trip back to recovery, and belive me we are making a comeback, a bit smarter this time and more focused. With the exception of the two morons that posted the comments here are well taken. Contracts are a new area of investigation for us and this has been the first serious offer we have had. Hooch, now clear sighted (of sorts)
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.20 19:42:00 - [24] Originally by: The Hooch The point of this post is the gauge the community thoughts. Sadly I still have a weak spot in me for noobs, on the other hand this is a business and there is no challenge in ganking someone with empty pockets. The last time we attacked "noobs" there were howls of protest and imo we got a rather hugh nerfbat brought down on us. We are on short trip back to recovery, and belive me we are making a comeback, a bit smarter this time and more focused. With the exception of the two morons that posted the comments here are well taken. Contracts are a new area of investigation for us and this has been the first serious offer we have had. Hooch, now clear sighted (of sorts) remember what happend to you and your guys when we decided it was your turn with the target on your shirt.. noobs, vets, or carebears names dont matter when it comes to targets to kill.. all history aside if you wanna pew pew blow stuff up you cant have a soft side cause well it will get exploited over and over agian. have no heart and go for the throat of the noobs. I know I would. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.20 20:17:00 - [25] Originally by: ponieus remember what happend to you and your guys when we decided it was your turn with the target on your shirt.. noobs, vets, or carebears names dont matter when it comes to targets to kill.. all history aside if you wanna pew pew blow stuff up you cant have a soft side cause well it will get exploited over and over agian. have no heart and go for the throat of the noobs. I know I would. You lost a titan? Oh wait, Hooch isn't in Goonswarm, nm tbqh.
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.20 20:33:00 - [26] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: The Hooch The point of this post is the gauge the community thoughts. Sadly I still have a weak spot in me for noobs, on the other hand this is a business and there is no challenge in ganking someone with empty pockets. The last time we attacked "noobs" there were howls of protest and imo we got a rather hugh nerfbat brought down on us. We are on short trip back to recovery, and belive me we are making a comeback, a bit smarter this time and more focused. With the exception of the two morons that posted the comments here are well taken. Contracts are a new area of investigation for us and this has been the first serious offer we have had. Hooch, now clear sighted (of sorts) remember what happend to you and your guys when we decided it was your turn with the target on your shirt.. noobs, vets, or carebears names dont matter when it comes to targets to kill.. all history aside if you wanna pew pew blow stuff up you cant have a soft side cause well it will get exploited over and over agian. have no heart and go for the throat of the noobs. I know I would. Hmmm lemme think, FA is dead, I am an outcast pirate...yes I remember very well. (and a good point)
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.20 20:54:00 - [27] Originally by: The Hooch Sadly I still have a weak spot in me for noobs, Me too, nothing more embarassing than getting caught by my corpmates while rolling around in the n00b frozen corpse can. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Manas The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.07.20 21:19:00 - [28] Hiring mercs against E-Uni is bizarre. Why can't they war-dec them themselves? Are they afraid for their Empire carebears, or do they just like to grief vicariously through others? They should man-up and do their own dirty work. TGRAD info
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.20 22:17:00 - [29] Originally by: milinkoee Originally by: The Hooch Sadly I still have a weak spot in me for noobs, Me too, nothing more embarassing than getting caught by my corpmates while rolling around in the n00b frozen corpse can. OMG, you are a sick bastard,,,(funny, but sick)
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.21 00:18:00 - [30] Here's the deal. Some of RK has been amusing themselves by flipping the cans of our students and then rushing to show up in battlecruisers or T2 fitted Vexors. Now admittedly we've only lost a few ships compared to the RK guys doing it, but that's not the point. It's the constant disruption and need for alot of the older students and instructors to be sitting around waiting to thump them when it happens. We tried to get RK's leadership to stop it, they basically said STFU, this is what we do. So it was felt that they needed some punishment. So I figured a week of rampages into their 0.0 space plus a nice secure can noting who to blame for them would prolly fix it. Things were actually going pretty well, but then SMASH decides to open fire on us while both sides are set to blue. Now our camps had let SMASH pass through, untouched and we didn't fire on them until after they fired on us. Deliberately firing on people you have set to blue is something of a 'backstab' I'd say. Now CI was prosecuting a war against RK and SMASH, so we arranged temp blue standings with them simply because it made life alot easier for us. The Uni went in to cause a bit of hell in RK space, we have not attacked POS's or brought in cap ships to try and remove RK from the system. This was more along the lines of slash and burn expeditions. SMASH however calls this 'backstabbing' and threatens to war dec us. Now, I had intended for the rampages to end after the last one, til their ultimatum came in. So now I'm thinking maybe they shouldn't. Ivy League and Eve University are places for people to learn the game of eve, hopefully in somewhat relative safety. However people who scream in local that they love to pick on the 'noobs' as certain RK players have done mean that we have to act to defend ourselves. SMASH wasn't even involved in this til they opened fire on us despite blue standings. Where are we now? Well, the Uni preps for war and if the Privateers get paid to dec us, that's fine. They are a merc corp and have fought us numerous times before. And as some of their own members have admitted on the forums, it's not a walk in the park. I think any corp that has fought the Uni and is honest will admit that sure you can rack up some cheap ganks, but the price can be high. We've come out on top in isk destroyed in the vast majority of our wars, so yeah, you may get 20 kills but the 5 T2 ships and T2 fitted ships we kill far outweighs what we lost. If Smash or RK wanna dec us, that's fine too. One thing the Uni doesn't do is lay down and die just cause someone war dec's us. We'll fight and fight hard against ANYONE. Don't believe that? Just ask MC about the TBB war. The goal of the Uni and the Ivy League is to help EVE's newbies stay in the game and give them a head start that just can't be found in the in game tutorials. We've got teachers that go over just about every aspect of EVE. Mine is to teach the players how to fight. Not in 1v1's or other kinds of 'honorable' fair fights. I teach them to win, to use every advantage they can get through EW, numbers or whatever is legal in the game. So complaining that it took 10 of our students to bring you down isn't going to hurt me. The point is, who gets exploded and how much it costs. And yes, I teach them you don't fight if you can avoid a battle you're likely to lose. War isn't about who looks coolest when they explode, it's about destroying ships and breaking morale. It's about camping the people who grief you in a station for six hours simply because they war dec'd you. If you're just desperate to dec the Uni, go right ahead. Privateers, if you decide to take a contract against us, it won't hurt our feelings, you've done it in the past and we've fought you several times without hard feelings. Anyone else wants to, just go right ahead. We're waiting. Eve Uni's Fight Song



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