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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 23/07/2007 22:00:45
We had those threads and alts babbling about "bob losing, they are to stretched out, to arrogant blabla" stuff all to often.
We had all those theories. About boring them, propagand¦ing them, scamming them, accusing them cheaters and all that.
Nothing could do anything but even harm them.
When do ppl actually learn, especially from the past that the only way to defeat bob is on the battlefield by being better.
This is not impossible, its not even that difficult as u might think, and i know what im speaking about (though those times are far in the past).
But opening 2312312 new threads about possibilities how bob could and will lose, will do zero to achieve that.
When will ppl realize that?
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Argyle Jones
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:01:00 -
[152]
Well written. Dunno if it's all true, but very well written.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:01:00 -
[153]
 Originally by: Hunter Thompson
At the end of February 30,000 EvE characters grouped together to once and for all defeat the alliance Band of Brothers. Now, six months later, after several of those alliances have been decimated, those left in the coalition claim victory over the mighty BoB after taking a couple of systems.
The shouts of victory could be heard in March when the coalition shouted how the Alamo in NOL would fall in a matter of weeks. Now they can be heard again as the Coalition score points in what was there own space.
I think this war is great to follow - 6 to 8 weeks ago Goonswarm were down and out scurrying back to Scalding Pass, TCF had been well and truly pushed out of Feythabolis, IAC, AAA and RA were no where to be seen. But credit where credit is due - they've regrouped and come again. Only the short sighted and ignorant would suggest that BoB will not do the same.
This war has many more chapters to go through yet and I for one are looking forward to them unfolding.
I'm glad that there is some people out there who see through the propoganda and fairytales and see it how it is.
Wars, especially long ones will go this way and then that, and claiming victory on the goons part at this still relatively early stage is naive. Allainces show true character when they are under the most strain. Ra were pushed to the brink of oblivion and somehow, through sheer will, teamwork and dedication came back. The goonies also were in crisis and managed to keep there head together and make a counter push.
Congrats where it's due but jumping around, bawking about victory at this stage doesn't make sense. Wait until your standing over the corpse of the enemy alliance, otherwise, when the tides of war shift once again as they have a habit of doing, you will be standing there with egg on your face and wondering what has happened.
Just chill and enjoy the ride 
GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE |
anister
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:01:00 -
[154]
I wish to subscribe to your monthly newsletter.
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Alpine 69
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:01:00 -
[155]
Hi mum.
Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3 
From her? You're on.  -Rauth |
Lube Myholes
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:03:00 -
[156]
Very nice read 
One fact you missed, the fast downfall of LV helped BOB alot cos 2k of players where free to help and turn the tide ( for a while ).
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GomezChou
Gallente
Nexus Analytics
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:06:00 -
[157]
This should be a much shorter conversation. Both sides lose when they underestimate the other. it's happened numerous times on both sides of the conflict. One side or the other ****s up, immediately blames **** up on other side, fails to learn from mistake, become convinced there's a conspiracy, and has to have an EXCEEDINGLY long post explaining that "HAY GAIS! BoB aren't superhuman gamers from another dimension trained from birth to pwn us in eve!"
And the sad part is, that wasn't a smack on the OP. Honestly, the fact that there's actually a need for this to be said should make you all feel a little silly.
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:06:00 -
[158]
Great post by james and yes i would agree with it
1. ASCN died just as he said it did - sad times but desearved to die imho
2. Bob are loosing the war for the very reasons he said (taking pos down from 9-9 was very silly and incredibly arrogant) plus bob is awash with spies, the intel i get fed and little snippets from the forums keep me and my corp entertained for hours.
3. RSF are pretty motivated at the moment and looking forward to more fights, cos thats all that matters at the end of the day, we want good fights with no lag and plenty of meat to grind.
4. Fix are buckling fast to AAA and IAC, bob arnt coming to save you guys
5. bob will win if they kick out all the LV and ASCN wastes of space and get back to being a serious kickass fleet again - i dont think that will happen in a hurry as directors like taxation on ratting.
and the last one is prolly the biggest reason - would you want to deploy your 30 dreads against a pos next to AAA, RA, TCF and Goon capital systems? our survey says no....... (then it says hotdrop, then it says splat)
flame away, its all good fun at the end of the day in this big ole internet spaceship game.
-dbp
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Gloomy Gus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:08:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Dramaticus
THIS THREAD
  
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Flow Befort
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:09:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Gloomy Gus
Originally by: Dramaticus
THIS THREAD
qft
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:10:00 -
[161]
Interesting read. But I have to ask : how do you know so much about what went on inside BoB during the ASCN wars when ASCN had no spies there as you said?
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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:10:00 -
[162]
Boy are you bitter. You really need to get over ASCN war with your feelings. 
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crice
Caldari
CRICE Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:16:00 -
[163]
I don't like either one of you. I think Goons are winning my dislike war based on posts. Bravo!
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Joycalyn
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:18:00 -
[164]
@OP
Very accurate imho. Great job reading between the lines and finding truth in history.
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:19:00 -
[165]
Fascinating, and quite flame free considering the content.
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Director Stoned
Band of Developers
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:24:00 -
[166]
Let's face it BoB hasn't wont a single engagement in over two years.
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Relaria Hossin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:26:00 -
[167]
TLDR
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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:26:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Director Stoned
Let's face it BoB hasn't wont a single engagement in over two years.
Lets face it in the light of the community that you are the idiot of the century 
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Inthemix
Division Solaris
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:27:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Inthemix on 23/07/2007 22:28:21
Originally by: titanstory
bob will be defeated
And one day, tcf will do something in this game without 4465464542448754465 allies.
More lies please
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Jin Steele
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:30:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Endeva
i came to this part
...To ensure its victory, BoB always fought under ideal conditions. First, the target alliance was isolated from its allies. Next, BoB gathered as many allies to its cause as possible. The allies would bleed the target, and when the target was near death, BoB would rush in to finish it off in spectacular fashion,...
/yes we never fought against multi allainces.this thread is crap its just matter of day when this thread die from aids
comic sans=fail tbh
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Ogodai John
The Bakhunov Family
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:32:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Director Stoned
Let's face it BoB hasn't wont a single engagement in over two years.
Lets face it in the light of the community that you are the idiot of the century
Someone please introduce this guy to the concept of irony please.
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Strategos
Banned Society
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:32:00 -
[172]
Interesting read James, very interesting. Stop by my office and we'll have a cup of tea later.
---Sig---
I am an arms dealer
Fitting you with weapons in the form of words
-F.O.B.
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:34:00 -
[173]
Edited by: ArcticFox on 23/07/2007 22:35:28
Quote:
Even when ASCN was losing stations, it sent its fleet to help AXE against -AAA-, but AXE never returned the favor because it was too afraid of BoB. Fittingly, AXE is now a BoB pet.
You obviously don't know Steel Rat at all if you think the reason for calling off the assistance of that decrepit alliance had anything to do with fear of BoB.
If anyone at that time could be said to have known exactly how strong BoB were in comparison to their actual image, it was the leadership of AXE.
I think Pilk may have already covered this, but in the entirety of AXE's conflict with AAA, ASCN brought a fleet to help us a grand total of once. So if all AXE was expected to do was "return the favor" then we actually repayed it three or four times over before we were called off.
Aside from that your analysis of ASCNs death is pretty accurate.
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rycar
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:35:00 -
[174]
somebody bold the good parts
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:35:00 -
[175]
Page 6 in an alt thread \o/
Good job CCP, you close a Flatliner thread, but still allow the one man alt trolls.
Awsome 
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Garregus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:39:00 -
[176]
i think psilocin won at eve-o
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Psilocin
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:39:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 22:41:19
Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 22:39:56
^^ Oh hay Garregus, how's everything? ^^
Edit: Never mind
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Brmble
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:39:00 -
[178]
Woodlouse! Woody why you hate? We sent you bees! :(
~ no not believin in urself ~ |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:41:00 -
[179]
Surprisingly not completely false...
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente
Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:42:00 -
[180]
Boy, I'm a tad bit upset I missed the last first 6 months of this war due to work, Got deployed after the first month of the "Clash of the Titans".
James, A very well written post. Be it fact or Fiction, I'm not to make that call, though I do agree with a lot of what your saying too.
I think though that the overall question being addressed here, Is is this the beginning of the end of BoB war, or simply a Weakining in BoB's front. Granted, from the outside its hard to make accurate guesses at whats really happening. Heck, My BoB Intel gathering methods invovles using a really bit telescope anyway .
BoB lost a key system, Due to an error of judgment. The person in charge of that may not have had enough funding to do the job to the extent that he wanted to, or RL could have gotten in the way. both are quite common.
Due to that defeat, They are being pushed back a little bit. But arn't these recent events as well, Who's to say that the fight will not double back on the Counter-offensive?. From now I'd say its to early to tell. The battle of 9-9 may be the RSF's Midway, but sometimes thats just a lucky shot.
Is BoB's taking a beating, thats what it looks like, But are they defeated? Not yet, In my opinion. Will they be, Its always possible, but Its to soon to tell. There's a lot of weight behind BoB, Even if you account for most of it being Propaganda.
All great empires do fall, as we've all said. And as you pointed out, A lot of the reason BoB is still here is due to the bickering between the other alliances, Such as RA/LV about 9 months ago. Had ASCN been able to rally the other superpowers, such as D2, LV, and RA at the time they were being attacked (ok, making a truce between RA/LV would be tricky, but irrelevent) Then BoB would have been hurting, and mabey even defeated.
You mentioned a Northern Front during the ASCN war. I seem to remember seeing signs of this at one point. Had it been D2 on that front, rather than an ASCN strike team...
Don't count BoB out yet. They lost some territory they claimed, Sure, But don't forget, It was a hit on their Winnings, Not their Core. To be pushed back is not to be defeated.
When the war moves to Delve, Then we can start disccusing defeat in more detail.
CEO, Condottieri Industries
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