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Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:10:00 - [211] Originally by: Kaeten Interesting read, however. This is not true. BOB aren't like any other alliance I'm afraid. When I was in Reikoku for 6 months EVERY single fleet fight we had we won. Outnumbered and outgunned we still won. The only fight we lost was 1 up in the nortyh when we accidently took a station. Nonetheless interesting read and view. Well I was in that fleet fight where we slaughtered RKK at the start of conflict. It's still a mystery as what kind of tactic you were doing ( my guess is the blind man jump with no scout tactic )...but just to refresh your memory, it was several months later when MC took the station. BOB were no where to be seen. I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:13:00 - [212] Originally by: fugazii The signs go back far far than what your writing about. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up. No need, I can kill that conjecture right here (but look it up otherwise if you really want to). BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. When BoB initially came down to Q, they were pretty much kicking our ass all over the place when we collided. BoB never took the step of putting up POS and going into an all out invasion to evict FIX, they came for the pew pew. I'll be honest, when they arrived, FIX was getting slammed 4 out of 5 engagements. The only reason we improved at that time was because we kept coming back for more, and we never quit... and that is also partly how we managed to earn their respect and friendship. If BoB had come to purposely evict FIX at that time in history, we would have been evicted. If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:14:00 - [213] Originally by: Evil Thug Ooo. Sooo much laugh from this thread....Thats all. :-) Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:15:00 - [214] I think BoB is mostly just hindered by their lack of Titans to lean on. They've been riding those giant lumps of brokeness for a long time. Regardless though, they've got plenty of conventional firepower and resources at their disposal. MC on the other hand, really hasn't been riding Titans as the "I win" solution. Sure, they've utilized them, but they seem to run just fine off the basic model of "I throw a ***load of capitals at you with tons of support". Now that they're not busy, they've got plenty of bandwidth for bringing the hurt to BoB's next target. So, interesting times continue at the mega-alliance level. I hope to experience as little of it as possible :)
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:17:00 - [215] Originally by: Mistress Suffering MC on the other hand, really hasn't been riding Titans as the "I win" solution. Sure, they've utilized them, but they seem to run just fine off the basic model of "I throw a *load of capitals at you with tons of support". Now that they're not busy, they've got plenty of bandwidth for bringing the hurt to BoB's next target. So, interesting times continue at the mega-alliance level. I hope to experience as little of it as possible :) Well, except that they have lost one of their best corps atm...some would say the** best part of MC, but yes they still VERY dangerous. I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:17:00 - [216] Originally by: Avernus BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. Prolly exception to the rule then. Originally by: Avernus We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. Times must have changed then. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:17:00 - [217] Originally by: Evil Thug Ooo. Sooo much laugh from this thread. Cyvok. I was reading your forums from june 2006. Main reason of you losing to bob - is you, you, as leader, being afraid of them. Like a chicken. Every your post about them - was like : "i don`t think that they ever attack us, we`ve been licking Molle's ass for such long time !". Second reason - wrong stake at LV. At the time you promised to defend titan in building, said that LV is trusted and stuff, Chowdown was happily chatting to dbp. And said, that they are NOT going to protect you from bob (despite your agreement, regarding "if someone attacks feith or tenerifis - LV + ASCN will fight this threat together"). As for thread subject, and first post - well, this is definitely success. Alt post in CAOD with 50% truth in it - is great To all, who screaming "omg, bob is losing". Let me remind you january - february of this year. Euphoria about : "d2 and northeners will smash bob in no time. If something will happen - we`ll help em". And april of 2007 : "omg, we are all are doomed". So, don`t cheer until job is done. Thats all. Oooooh... good post. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:19:00 - [218] Originally by: Virtuozzo Originally by: Avernus We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. Times must have changed then. Aka; we're not a good fight anymore? Many of our current foes seem to differ in opinion. (Yes, there are incidents of smack that do happen) There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:21:00 - [219] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Well, except that they have lost one of their best corps atm... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:22:00 - [220] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 24/07/2007 00:06:57 Originally by: Patch86 In fact, according to Joshua's map, it's currently 17 vs 14, with BoB's side fielding the 17 alliances. If anyone can be making the "they can't win without lots of friends claim", it could just as well be the Coalition. Not that anyone should be making that claim, because it's ******* ridiculous Theres a slight problem though as the map only displays alliance at one point in the conflict, for a more accurate view as to who has the numerical advantage you need to include all alliances including the ones that already died or surrendered. True enough I suppose. But like I said, all discussions along that kind of line are ridiculous. For a start, not all alliances are equal. BoB itself is worth 10 Xelas's, and as much as I liked my dear old FLA, no-one would have claimed they were equal to Red Alliance. Fact is, it's not and never was a 1-vs-anything. This conflict is and always has been two incomparable and ever changing power blocs squaring off. --------

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:26:00 - [221] Originally by: Evil Thug Ooo. Sooo much laugh from this thread. Cyvok. I was reading your forums from june 2006. Main reason of you losing to bob - is you, you, as leader, being afraid of them. Like a chicken. Every your post about them - was like : "i don`t think that they ever attack us, we`ve been licking Molle's ass for such long time !". Second reason - wrong stake at LV. At the time you promised to defend titan in building, said that LV is trusted and stuff, Chowdown was happily chatting to dbp. And said, that they are NOT going to protect you from bob (despite your agreement, regarding "if someone attacks feith or tenerifis - LV + ASCN will fight this threat together"). As for thread subject, and first post - well, this is definitely success. Alt post in CAOD with 50% truth in it - is great To all, who screaming "omg, bob is losing". Let me remind you january - february of this year. Euphoria about : "d2 and northeners will smash bob in no time. If something will happen - we`ll help em". And april of 2007 : "omg, we are all are doomed". So, don`t cheer until job is done. Thats all. Listen to the man.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:27:00 - [222] Originally by: Evil Thug To all, who screaming "omg, bob is losing". Let me remind you january - february of this year. Euphoria about : "d2 and northeners will smash bob in no time. If something will happen - we`ll help em". And april of 2007 : "omg, we are all are doomed". So, don`t cheer until job is done. Thats all. TBFH you sir have made my forum day. This part I have quoted is what everyone needs to read and burn into their brain. Can I have your autograph ET? Thank you again for making me not want my time back from reading this page. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:34:00 - [223] Originally by: Wigglytuff So when BoB finally die under the weight of half a dozen, or more, alliances, then what? Sure, there will be the CAOD-brigade coming in claiming how RA, GS, AAA, or whoever, are more powerful than BoB ever were, despite not beating them on their own, but even if 'BoB' is destroyed, you'll have some other incarnation of the same players resurface, and it'll likely happen when everyone else is fighting each other, or after everyone NAPs each other into a coma. Besides, the real shame of all of this is that even if BoB and goonswarm both vanished, CAOD would still be a deep pool of trolling suck. Can you explain what exactly "not beating them on their own" means? If BoB beats RSF, they won't have done it "on their own". MC didn't beat the north "on their own" and they freely admit it. When did beating an alliance 1v1 become the new standard in which said alliance is measured? War is as much about politics as much as it is about the actual fighting, I don't think you quite grasp that. There's no less satisfaction or "honor" in beating someone as a group than an individual, especially in a game like this that promotes teamwork and cooperation. -----------------
Devian 666 Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:45:00 - [224] Funny how the shafting of the ANZACs was left out. Give them a crappy region so they end up leaving ASCN (good way to lose members and lots of australian/NZ pvpers). Then set them to red with BoB trying to recruit them. ASCN's leadership was a complete disaster and contributed significantly to it's ultimate collapse. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:47:00 - [225] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: fugazii The signs go back far far than what your writing about. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up. No need, I can kill that conjecture right here (but look it up otherwise if you really want to). BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. When BoB initially came down to Q, they were pretty much kicking our ass all over the place when we collided. BoB never took the step of putting up POS and going into an all out invasion to evict FIX, they came for the pew pew. I'll be honest, when they arrived, FIX was getting slammed 4 out of 5 engagements. The only reason we improved at that time was because we kept coming back for more, and we never quit... and that is also partly how we managed to earn their respect and friendship. If BoB had come to purposely evict FIX at that time in history, we would have been evicted. If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. If BOB is serious about one thing, its their ultimate goal. That goal means no permanent allies, and that alone is enough to realise youre about to get betrayed some day. -YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:54:00 - [226] Originally by: mama guru Originally by: Avernus Originally by: fugazii The signs go back far far than what your writing about. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up. No need, I can kill that conjecture right here (but look it up otherwise if you really want to). BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. When BoB initially came down to Q, they were pretty much kicking our ass all over the place when we collided. BoB never took the step of putting up POS and going into an all out invasion to evict FIX, they came for the pew pew. I'll be honest, when they arrived, FIX was getting slammed 4 out of 5 engagements. The only reason we improved at that time was because we kept coming back for more, and we never quit... and that is also partly how we managed to earn their respect and friendship. If BoB had come to purposely evict FIX at that time in history, we would have been evicted. If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. If BOB is serious about one thing, its their ultimate goal. That goal means no permanent allies, and that alone is enough to realise youre about to get betrayed some day. Ok, let's look at it from a pessimistic viewpoint then and do the numbers? Some day can basically be at any time, so all we really have to base things upon are track records from the past. Let's look at the current track record. 1 year since CODA - 0 incidents. Well as track records go, that beats all past agreements FIX had in the past with other alliances that dropped them when it was convienient... seems like perhaps it may last a little while longer, no? Tell ya what, you will have my full understanding when the day comes and you get to shout 'TOLD YA SO!' on the forums. I won't even complain one bit; you can quote me on that. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:55:00 - [227] Originally by: mama guru That goal means no permanent allies, and that alone is enough to realise youre about to get betrayed some day. Technically theyll need pets to hold onto the universe, or become, really, really big. Putting that aside however why does everyone keep saying that one day there'll be a doom like standing reset? I'm sure there'll be a standing reset one day but it just provides more pew pew, which is hardly bad. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:01:00 - [228] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: mama guru That goal means no permanent allies, and that alone is enough to realise youre about to get betrayed some day. Technically theyll need pets to hold onto the universe, or become, really, really big. Putting that aside however why does everyone keep saying that one day there'll be a doom like standing reset? I'm sure there'll be a standing reset one day but it just provides more pew pew, which is hardly bad. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. Litteraly. i mean just look what they did to Shinra -YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Stockarian eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:03:00 - [229] bob will lose in the end. To the OP, nice post. You're about half spot on. Originally by: Avernus Tell ya what, you will have my full understanding when the day comes and you get to shout 'TOLD YA SO!' on the forums. I won't even complain one bit; you can quote me on that.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:05:00 - [230] Love the quote. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.

sov68n Caldari The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:18:00 - [231] im actually gonna laugh if BoB insta-rapes the coalitions. however i severly doubt that will happen. The Diabolic Abstraction
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:54:00 - [232] Originally by: James 315 Some say Virtuozzo was a plant. They are probably right, in one sense or another. I see what you did there.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:59:00 - [233] VIRTUOZZO = DBPREACHER BURN THE WITCH. - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
With JudgeReinhold Gallente Legal Team	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:01:00 - [234] Don't forget BoB's recent recruitment policy of bringing in everyone whose alliance has failed. LV remnants, Mitch, Princess Aricia, I am looking at all of you. Quote: If I had the inclination to type out the examples of teamwork and brotherhood displayed by Evolutions members and our brothers in BOB during the last 48 hours I would, but to be honest, none of
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:27:00 - [235] Originally by: sov68n im actually gonna laugh if BoB insta-rapes the coalitions. however i severly doubt that will happen. yeah I think the opportunity for insta-rapes expired somewhere in januaryish
Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:30:00 - [236] A++ would read again MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Astro Teller Milf Riders	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:34:00 - [237] I loled ----Astro Teller
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:46:00 - [238] I didn't think you would James, but oh well. We both know how this conflict will end. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Fade to Black Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:50:00 - [239] Originally by: Serenity Steele Just so I understand the facts, an you please point out how this graph does in fact, show BoB is losing? Sorry for pointing out a little detail but what your graph shows that bob has sov over significantly less systems than 30 days ago and the number of systems BOB has is shrinking.. You know, that part at the end where its going down.. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Zeros Omega Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:52:00 - [240] Originally by: Seleene I am proud to admit that James 315 is my alt. Now Seleene, don't lie! We all know that James 315 is Cyvok (returned from his titan grave)! --- History is written on the sands of Arrakis. A chapter has ended, swept away by the whirlwind. One door has closed, but another has opened. And on the other side... our future...



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