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James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:42:00 - [1] Oh, hello there! It's been awhile, hasn't it? I've been terribly busy. Nevertheless, I felt the need to weigh in on the great mystery of the Great War: why is BoB losing? This is a huge and complex question, and even most BoB pilots wouldn't know how to begin answering it. Is it presumptuous of me to tackle this assignment? Maybe, but I am the CEO and founder of one of the most successful CAOD-inspired 1-man alt corps around, so who better? The question of why BoB is losing is so big that you could easily write several volumes about it, but I will limit myself to a simple three-part series. You will only find Part I here today. In Part I: The BoB Delusion, we will discuss the origins and truth behind the carefully crafted myth of BoB invincibility. In Part II: Survival of the Faithless, we will delve into the 'evolution' of BoB and how it came to its current composition, and how BoB attempts to mask its true, house-of-cards nature. In Part III: The Region's Not That Nice, we will examine the probable future of BoB and its exit strategy from the current crisis. Tick tock and all that, so let's jump right in, shall we? Why Is BoB Losing? Part I: The BoB Delusion Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. -- John Adams, defense attorney for the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre; second U.S. President The war rages on, and BoB finds itself thwarted in the east by the RedSwarm Federation (RSF; Goons, Red, Tau Ceti). After failing the defend its towers in the crucial system of 9-9, BoB holds a mandatory operation to destroy the Goon POSes. But no matter what it throws at them, BoB fails to destroy even one. The Goons capture the system and RSF offensives begin in the region of Omist, formerly written off by the Coalition and auctioned by BoB on CAOD. How is this possible? How can an invincible alliance like the Band of Brothers lose? How can the manifestation of "omnipotence itself" fail so completely? Observers say that BoB is behaving in a very un-BoB manner. After all, isn't this the same alliance that breezed through all the greatest wars in Eve? We begin our search for the answer by going back to the days when BoB was held in its highest esteem, the days when BoB earned the aura of invincibility. In the summer of 2005, the Band of Brothers alliance was created by the best PvP'ers in Eve. They wanted an alliance in which they could excel alongside like-minded players. They wanted to test the limits of their abilities by going head-to-head with the most powerful entities they could find. BoB would do anything for a challenge, even giving away regions it conquered in the north and resetting all of their allies to neutral so it would have more people to fight. BoB threw itself into one war after the next--some would say recklessly, always in search of a greater challenge. But because of BoB's incredible skill and teamwork, the galaxy of Eve was unable to offer up anyone worthy enough. No matter how many alliances teamed up against BoB, BoB always prevailed, claiming one impossible victory after the next. Not. This is the myth of BoB. The reality of BoB is not so impressive, but it is much more helpful in understanding the current state of BoB and the war. The true BoB is not an alliance that pushes itself to the limits or places itself in unnecessary danger. The mythical BoB and the real BoB only share one thing: the ambition to conquer all of 0.0 space. When SirMolle claimed that as his goal, he was being quite serious. And he went about his business in a very cautious, practical manner. The history of BoB is not an alliance screaming blindly into the heat of battle. Rather, BoB has always ensured that it only fought wars that it was guaranteed to win. (Proceed to section 2, if you will!) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:42:00 - [2] To ensure its victory, BoB always fought under ideal conditions. First, the target alliance was isolated from its allies. Next, BoB gathered as many allies to its cause as possible. The allies would bleed the target, and when the target was near death, BoB would rush in to finish it off in spectacular fashion, and claim all the credit for itself. Finally, BoB would inundate the forums with propaganda to heighten its image as an invincible alliance. Consider, for example, BoB's war against the Goons in the summer of 2006. The Goons had--in much closer fashion to the BoB myth than BoB itself ever will--thrown itself recklessly against every alliance in sight. This culminated in the meatgrinder of XZH, where D2 and Goon forces attacked each other with every resource available. It was an unprecedented bloodbath. When the moment was ripe, BoB finally decided to declare war against the Goons. BoB swept into Syndicate and forced the Goons out by using Tech II sniper battleships against n00b Goons. BoB's propaganda machine went into a frenzy, declaring there were no Goons and proudly displaying a kill-death ratio...even eagerly advertising the number of Goon shuttles they popped. It was textbook BoB. A battle they could not lose, as many allies as they could hope for, and a tired, isolated enemy. The propaganda was also a success. Gone was any mention of the mammoth battles of XZH and D2's contribution to the war effort. It was all about BoB's magnificent victory. But some doubted. In fact, CAOD began to grumble about the fact that rather than picking even fights, BoB always formed huge coalitions against isolated opponents. So BoB responded, picking a fight against ASCN and declaring it would have no allies. Of course, ASCN itself was much weaker than its own image, having virtually no PvP'ers or fleet commanders. Those it did have had already left to form Axiom Empire (AXE), ASCN's biggest ally. Before the war began, BoB isolated AXE from ASCN. ASCN was completely isolated, aside from a few brave but carebearing friends in Prime Orbital Systems. BoB then declared its greatest triumph. We will examine this triumph further in a few moments. After the destruction of ASCN, there remained only BoB, D2, LV, and the RedSwarm Federation. BoB considered itself unbeatable and the remaining opponents too cowardly to team up against them. LV and RSF were already in a huge war, and it looked like RSF might have the edge. But DB Preacher claimed the Goons had not accomplished anything significant since the defeat of the previous summer, and said he would only change his mind if they defeated LV. This indicates BoB felt LV stood a fairly good chance against RSF. What should BoB do? The consensus on CAOD was that BoB should attack D2 while both RSF and LV were distracted. With D2 gone, BoB could then concentrate against the winner of the LV/RSF war. But that is not how BoB works. BoB wanted to be able to fight an isolated opponent and have as many allies as possible. This was BoB's last chance to do that: BoB allied with LV and declared war against the RSF, hoping to swoop in and claim victory for itself. This was a huge blunder. BoB underestimated D2's common sense. When D2 attacked BoB, BoB was completely disoriented and forced to retreat for home defense, leaving LV on its own. In the following months, BoB was kept on defense by D2's attacks. BoB only managed to pry itself loose by hiring Mercenary Coalition, turning YouWhat, and getting a host of other allies on its side. The same old BoB, though this time BoB's reputation was a bit tarnished. But it was the second time BoB's weaknesses shone through the invincibility myth. Which was the first? Let us go back to the ASCN war. (Proceed to section 3, if you dare!) ****
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:42:00 - [3] Edited by: Wylker on 23/07/2007 18:42:36 Why is this a lame ass post? Part I: lawls. edit c-c-c-c-cc-combo-breaker! Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:43:00 - [4] At the time of the ASCN war, ASCN was thought to be a rich giant and a potentially formidable opponent. As BoB's many spies inside ASCN knew, this was not the case. ASCN had virtually no interest in PvP, and its industry was wasted on carebearing. Though it boasted a robust 0.0 market, the reality was that most corps kept to themselves, united only by a mutual love of 0.0 resources. Tech II guns were sold at 15-20 million...each. In wartime. And the sellers thought they should be congratulated for being so generous to their fellow ASCN'ers. There was also no leadership. By the time of the war, Cyvok barely logged on, and when he did, it was only to encourage a constant fear of BoB. ASCN had been a loyal ally of BoB's, and no matter how many raids of ASCN space were launched, ASCN would only set BoB to -5 standings. Furthermore, ASCN pilots were forbidden to enter BoB territory, even to pursue the raiders (I was one of the first to disobey this order, on the grounds that it didn't make sense). For obvious reasons, ASCN was a tempting target for BoB, and BoB literally had to formally invite Cyvok to allow ASCN pilots to raid BoB's space. The lack of leadership extended to the FC's. John McCreedy, the ill-fated commander of the first few weeks of the war, insisted on a strategy of sitting inside POS shields, a task that did not earn the love of the ASCN weekend warriors. After John McCreedy quit, there was no one else in command. Nor was anyone else allowed to command; after Cyvok left, Virtuozzo took over and insisted, "you have your orders; form up into gangs and kill BoB." Some say Virtuozzo was a plant. They are probably right, in one sense or another. In addition to this, there were the turkeyshoots, which I have mentioned before. There was also the issue of numbers. While ASCN was thought to be very populous, the fact was that even in peak times, BoB usually matched ASCN's PvP numbers. Furthermore, the riches of ASCN were only piled up in the wallets of those who sold the Tech II guns, not those who were expected to purchase them. ASCN gangs usually consisted of mostly Tech I battlecruisers or worse, though obviously there were some people with better equipment. ASCN was also completely infiltrated by spies, to the point that BoB members shouted over the ASCN TeamSpeak and drowned out the commander. Meanwhile, ASCN had exactly zero spies in BoB--only a few people who had friends in BoB. ASCN didn't have too many friends in other alliances, though. Even when ASCN was losing stations, it sent its fleet to help AXE against -AAA-, but AXE never returned the favor because it was too afraid of BoB. Fittingly, AXE is now a BoB pet. I say all of this not to bash ASCN, but to help the reader keep in mind the disparity between BoB and ASCN when the war took place. And to point out what an amazing thing it was...that ASCN was winning the war for the first few weeks. You read that correctly. In terms of territory, ASCN actually won during the first period of the war. BoB was driven out of ASCN space, ASCN conquered a BoB system, and nearly conquered one of BoB's station systems in the south. (The operation was less than successful because someone forgot to put guns on the ASCN deathstars.) As BoB struggled to cope with the ASCN strategy of blobbing inside POS shields, ASCN also managed to sneak an assault force into the north and conquer a Xelas outpost. BoB panicked, but fortunately convinced Cyvok that it was stupid to do this, and Cyvok complied by ordering everyone away from the north and back home, so BoB wouldn't be inconvenienced by a two-front war. (Proceed to section 4, with courage!) ****
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:43:00 - [5] LOOK mA IM BREAKING UP LAME ALT POSTING CONTINUITY! Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:43:00 - [6] BoB's morale was at its lowest point. They griped to their commanders about ASCN blobs and how slowly they were progressing. The moaned in spite of the turkeyshoots. Meanwhile, MC was chomping at the bit to come and destroy ASCN. But this would have made BoB look bad and undermined the whole point of the 1v1 alliance battle. So SirMolle forbad MC from joining the fight. BoB did eventually grind ASCN down. After a few weeks of complaints about POS-sitting, John McCreedy quit, leaving no one in his place. Yet it took BoB a grueling three months to destroy ASCN. BoB sieged the POSes of ASCN's capital system, AZN, on Christmas morning. ASCN put up little resistance. Apparently the ASCN pilots all had other plans that day. That BoB had so much difficulty against such a decrepit alliance should have been the first sign that all was not right with "omnipotence itself." Instead, BoB's losing weeks were completely lost to history (until I exhumed them). Reality was rewritten to fit into the BoB Invincibility narrative. In a stunning example of this, the Eve Tribune reported that BoB won the war "in an impossibly brief period of time." (As a comparison, RSF destroyed LV in half the time, or about twice as impossibly brief.) And at last, during the current war, there was a third sign of BoB's underlying weakness. I am not referring to the titan kill, but to something much more important. At about the time of Revelations II, there was still doubt as to where the war would lead in the east. Remedial had been replaced by The Mittani, and The Mittani had decided to abandon Tenerifis. For reasons outside the scope of this post, The Mittani was forced to resign and was replaced by Sesfan. Sesfan had to decide whether to follow through with the evacuation or to stand and fight. BoB held the 9-9 system, considered to be the key to Tenerifis and Omist. BoB also conquered XGH, another important Tenerifis system. Tenerifis is a long way from the BoB heartland, but BoB's logistics were, like BoB itself, considered to be invincible. But something curious happened. In order to supplement the defenses of XGH, BoB decided to pull down some of its POSes from 9-9 and move them to XGH. In an instant, the illusion of BoB's invincibility was shattered. BoB had reached its limits. Sesfan resolved to stand and fight. (For this Goons began to say that Sesfan was "the greatest Goon leader since Remed--oh, wait, the best Goon leader since Hog--er, Remed--damnit, uh, the best Goon leader EVER!") The RedSwarm Federation threw its weight against 9-9 and XGH, and conquered them both. BoB buckled, and was unable to get them back. And even now, BoB is losing the battle in Omist. The signs were there all along. BoB is not invincible, not even close. It is just another alliance. Its strength was an illusion carefully manufactured through a series of good strategic decisions that placed it in unloseable wars and a propaganda machine that covered their tracks in the path to victory. But now BoB is fighting against a group of alliances who are not isolated and who are not fooled by BoB's illusions. For the first time, BoB picked a fight it can lose. Oops. End of Part I - 315 ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Backdoor Bandit Minmatar Gay Rights League	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:44:00 - [7] I don't like where this is going! ----------- The MGRL Team are here to help you.
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Backdoor Bandit I don't like where this is going! This thread just got interesting O RLY? - Kreul
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:49:00 - [9] snore - - - - - - - - - -
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:50:00 - [10] I am proud to admit that James 315 is my alt. - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!

ZaKma Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Backdoor Bandit I don't like where this is going! Win.
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:51:00 - [12] Originally by: James 315 Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. -- John Adams, defense attorney for the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre; second U.S. President Just so I understand the facts, an you please point out how this graph does in fact, show BoB is losing? As much as many wish to see the end of BoB, the evidence states otherwise. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - Sovereign Systems - Alliance Rank
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:53:00 - [13] I don't read anything that long if it doesn't contain cool pics.
Dominixa Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:54:00 - [14] Emo Much James? The above link explains it all!
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Seleene I am proud to admit that James 315 is my alt. Sorry... wrong account... ...damn session timeouts... >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:03:00 - [16] NEED TINFOIL HATS ASAP! THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE IS MOVING FULL STEAM AHEAD! And before anyone says it. Quote: Caps lock is cruise control for cool, but you still have to steer :) Fallen Angel's Recruitment
shortspecialbus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:05:00 - [17] what
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:08:00 - [18] You have way too much time on your hands, man.
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:13:00 - [19] tl;dr ___________________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. ELMO PUG HATES FUN
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:14:00 - [20] Edited by: Virtuozzo on 23/07/2007 19:15:38 Originally by: James 315 Virtuozzo was a plant. Quote: I gather you mean the dutch meaning of the word >.< Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug

Coniglietta Magica The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:15:00 - [21] Bravo! Fine piece of fiction! ---
VCBee 241	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: James 315 Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. -- John Adams, defense attorney for the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre; second U.S. President Just so I understand the facts, an you please point out how this graph does in fact, show BoB is losing? As much as many wish to see the end of BoB, the evidence states otherwise. PLEASE BUY MY STUFF
e3joker Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Wylker LOOK mA IM BREAKING UP LAME ALT POSTING CONTINUITY! bravo Wylker.....bravo
The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:18:00 - [24] nice piece of reading. Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
Shin Ra Origin Unknown.	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:20:00 - [25] Yeah is biased and an alt post, but there are a lot of truths in there that few will realise.
Vitaki Rens 911	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:20:00 - [26] A stunning analysis. I cannot wait to read sections 4 and 12.
alelsk Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:21:00 - [27] So you didn't get an invitation for the BOB bbq party... did you?
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:24:00 - [28] Originally by: alelsk So you didn't get an invitation for the BOB bbq party... did you? If Jesus had wanted him at the BOB bbq party he would have miracled his ass there, like he did you FIX guys. ____________________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. ELMO PUG HATES FUN
Tobruk Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:24:00 - [29] Originally by: James 315 [...] the Eve Tribune reported that BoB won the war "in an impossibly brief period of time." (As a comparison, RSF destroyed LV in half the time, or about twice as impossibly brief.) - 315 that's the line of the show ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:24:00 - [30] Well, a full page with no real retort or analysis of the OP's statements ... hmmm, could that be that no one can actually present viable counter-arguments? Expecially lame is the puke interupting his posts and being proud of it. I consider that an attempt to derail the thread by Bob fanbois. Sorry, but your propoganda machine is not as strong as it once was ... you gotta actually come up with a plausable comeback to his claims, not just play Bagdad Bob and deny it all. I give kudos to the OP for not mentioning the cheating so far - he gives Bob full credit for its achievements, something I'll never do. All the statements of strategy are actually complementary to Bob. After all, attracting top talent, fitting T2 ships, looking for a challenge and having a top-notch propoganda machine is a great accomplishment. True, it might have used its Pets on the way there, but getting my neighbor killed instead of me sounds like a good plan. I look forward to the remaining installments. To those of you who disagree with his post, I suggest you counter his arguments with ones of your own. Each attempt at derailing or flaming is just one more brainwashed plebe. If the guy is wrong, tell us why he's wrong.

Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:25:00 - [31] my favorite part was hearing about how LV collasped in half the time ASCN did. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Kadoe Amarr Blade Holding Blade.	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:26:00 - [32] Originally by: alelsk So you didn't get an invitation for the BOB bbq party... did you? but lord molle said anyone can g.....ohhhhh ohhh
Caldari Citizen 6280 Various Disease	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:26:00 - [33] TL;DR surely goons are totaly doomed! DOOOOOOMED!! --- Secret Forum Alt Secret Forum Alt They've given you a number because your name was offensive.
Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:27:00 - [34] This is actually a very well writen post. I enjoyed this read Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Princess Jodi Well, a full page with no real retort or analysis of the OP's statements ... hmmm, could that be that no one can actually Let me assume the OP is you alt Princess Jodi?
Gaunty Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:27:00 - [36] Nice read.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood This is actually a very well writen post. I enjoyed this read well written maybe, well informed is another thing ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Fedaykin Naib 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:30:00 - [38] Interesting, well written post. Always good for passing boring time at work. "Long Live the Fighters!"
Fedaykin Naib 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Lunas Feelgood This is actually a very well writen post. I enjoyed this read well written maybe, well informed is another thing Perhaps you should correct the post then. "Long Live the Fighters!"
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Shin Ra Yeah is biased and an alt post, but there are a lot of truths in there that few will realise. agreeing with shin ra. the world is comming to an end I see! --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"

Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Princess Jodi Well, a full page with no real retort or analysis of the OP's statements ... hmmm, could that be that no one can actually present viable counter-arguments? . Or it could be the fact that it's a hell of a lot of words. Nobody on the internet is gonna read all that. Look at 'em all. __________________________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. ELMO PUG HATES FUN
Aenigma Pegasus Wing	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:34:00 - [42] Edited by: Aenigma on 23/07/2007 19:34:13 It's a nice read. Whether it is totally objective is another thing. But then this is CAOD. Visit the BattleClinic
CyberChick Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:34:00 - [43] Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 23/07/2007 18:42:36 Why is this a lame ass post? Part I: lawls. edit c-c-c-c-cc-combo-breaker! Wow way to go, you really showed him he was wrong with each paragraph of information he put into this post - You Win! Its nice to see a well written view point of how the bob machine has worked so far, especially when propaganda is mentioned, bob rely on this to win their battles outside the game instead of inside of it, and imho the forums have suffered for the mass usage of this.
NeoTech Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:34:00 - [44] Pretty good post. :) fofofo
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Seleene I am proud to admit that James 315 is my alt. No, I have no idea who James is. And as we can see, Seleene already claimed it was his alt. BTW: We're up to two pages now with no real retort to his analysis yet.
EatYourSpinach GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:37:00 - [46] Not many of you know me, but those inside BoB and Goonswarm know me as Tuahn, a spy planted by Mittani inside BoB and assigned to finding out as much as I can. (You can check the characters corp history to see it was in both alliances, but I sold it recently). The original analysis is spot on, pretty much. I don't know anything about the ASCN war, but internally it was clear that BoB are nowhere near an invincible alliance, they have just as many logistics issues and problems as anyone else, and their only major advantage was their supercaps for which there was no counter. Most of the pilots I flew with in BoB were exceptionally arrogant and handle losses badly, everytime they lost an engagement IRC and corp chat would go absolutely silent, and it was clear just how badly this stuff effects them. Their entire persona of exceptional players defeating the odds to control Eve is all propaganda and (was) excellently managed. However, everyone has seen them fail in XGH, fail in 9-9, fail to achieve anything of import lately. Their time is over.
Anope High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Princess Jodi Well, a full page with no real retort or analysis of the OP's statements ... hmmm, could that be that no one can actually present viable counter-arguments? Expecially lame is the puke interupting his posts and being proud of it. I consider that an attempt to derail the thread by Bob fanbois. Sorry, but your propoganda machine is not as strong as it once was ... you gotta actually come up with a plausable comeback to his claims, not just play Bagdad Bob and deny it all. I give kudos to the OP for not mentioning the cheating so far - he gives Bob full credit for its achievements, something I'll never do. All the statements of strategy are actually complementary to Bob. After all, attracting top talent, fitting T2 ships, looking for a challenge and having a top-notch propoganda machine is a great accomplishment. True, it might have used its Pets on the way there, but getting my neighbor killed instead of me sounds like a good plan. I look forward to the remaining installments. To those of you who disagree with his post, I suggest you counter his arguments with ones of your own. Each attempt at derailing or flaming is just one more brainwashed plebe. If the guy is wrong, tell us why he's wrong. OMG an intelligent response! <3 and I agree with you compeltly Jodi; keep it coming James!
Dirtball Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:38:00 - [48] Originally by: James 315 It is just another alliance. are you my alt? i say that a lot
Quinlan Ghejaline Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Princess Jodi Well, a full page with no real retort or analysis of the OP's statements ... hmmm, could that be that no one can actually present viable counter-arguments? Expecially lame is the puke interupting his posts and being proud of it. I consider that an attempt to derail the thread by Bob fanbois. Sorry, but your propoganda machine is not as strong as it once was ... you gotta actually come up with a plausable comeback to his claims, not just play Bagdad Bob and deny it all. I give kudos to the OP for not mentioning the cheating so far - he gives Bob full credit for its achievements, something I'll never do. All the statements of strategy are actually complementary to Bob. After all, attracting top talent, fitting T2 ships, looking for a challenge and having a top-notch propoganda machine is a great accomplishment. True, it might have used its Pets on the way there, but getting my neighbor killed instead of me sounds like a good plan. I look forward to the remaining installments. To those of you who disagree with his post, I suggest you counter his arguments with ones of your own. Each attempt at derailing or flaming is just one more brainwashed plebe. If the guy is wrong, tell us why he's wrong. Here here. Refute the OP analysis with facts or STFU!!!!
Anope High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:41:00 - [50] good god this is going to be an epic thread... like 20 posts in the last 10 seconds... I try responding to sum1 and it ends up on the next page =P

Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:43:00 - [51] i so prefered the previous post with the eclipse op :( ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Tzasha Kat	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:44:00 - [52] Yeah well written if completely inaccurate, biased and incorrect on..well basically most things.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:46:00 - [53] Originally by: James 315 Even when ASCN was losing stations, it sent its fleet to help AXE against -AAA-, but AXE never returned the favor because it was too afraid of BoB. Fittingly, AXE is now a BoB pet. Yes, ASCN sent up a Titan twice, once because I demanded its presence on the field, and once of their own accord (the latter time accompanied by a fleet). That was the extent of ASCN's assistance to AXE. They wouldn't even loan us the use of their Titan so we could move freighters. At the very start of the BoB offensive, it was two AXE FC's who led the two-part, mixed-AXE/ASCN fleet--one fleet inside the system, the other just outside it, both comprised of members of both alliances--that ended up fighting in a systems whose name I now forget; it was on the southwest border of the old Tribal Souls territory. GQ2, perhaps? We were defeated by lag and nodecrashes (the kissing cousin of the desynch bug we have now, for those fortunate enough to never have experienced it; it plagued all large fleet combat). It took most of a week to extract the last of the AXE pilots from that mess, as the system was effectively unusable after the crashes. The one time an AXE FC led a mixed ASCN/AXE gang into BoB space was the only time ASCN ever posted better-than-even K/D numbers on their board, and then they screwed it up with incompetent capital ship fleet and POS management. That was either TPAR or TCAG. We saved several ASCN carriers at one point, back when a carrier was worth a hell of a lot more than one is now. When BoB came into Impass--which they only did twice--we won once and lost once. When BoB attacked us with 20-odd battleships during a freighter op, we lost one battleship and destroyed their entire fleet. We were not, and are not, afraid of BoB. But, like any competent fighting force, we gave them appropriate respect. At the end of the day, ASCN was not a competent fighting force. Had CYVOK not disappeared for a month and a half at the start of the war, things might have been very different, but as it was, by the time we could coordinate "permission" from CYVOK to lead an ASCN fleet again, we were defending AZN amidst nodecrashes and it was, quite frankly, writing on the wall. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Neon Razor Caldari The Charger	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:47:00 - [54] me wants more
Kilian II A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:49:00 - [55] Originally by: Princess Jodi .. not just play Bagdad Bob and deny it all....
NeoTech Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:51:00 - [56] Axiom did indeed do their part. Or rather, they couldn't be blamed for not to, considering that they were busy with RA/AAA. I am however sad so see them join BoB, but whatever. fofofo
Deathsoul Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:53:00 - [57] Edited by: Deathsoul on 23/07/2007 19:55:40 My God, my God, why did i join the only aliance ingame thats loosin war and a corp in it thats bankrup seems like **** happens to me allot Im gona run now and try get into some cooler aliance, maby i speak to krullz and get into Newer New Venal aliance.
soufy Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:53:00 - [58] pls post cliff notes or tell me where i can get the book on tape!
Nore Khadafi Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:57:00 - [59] get over yourself.
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:59:00 - [60] I agree with most of what was said, but I must point out

Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:02:00 - [61] The amount of BoB pets screaming as loud as possible on the front page about how untrue all of this is lends a lot to the credibility of what was posted. -----------------
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:03:00 - [62] Why is BoB "losing"? Because its summer, a time when BoB traditionally decreases in numbers. With Revelations 2, their strongest counter to the numbers game RA and Goonswarm play, their supercapitals, were nerfed beyond their former usability; as such, they're working on a new strategy. The end. This isn't the signature you're looking for. Can you tell me where to find the one I am looking for? -Kaemonn
Bishop 5 Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:05:00 - [63] Nice post, James. Don't know how much is true, don't really care. Was enjoyable to read after getting drenched on the way back from an 11 hour shift and that's all that matters. P.S. LOL @ Backdoor Bandit ------------- meh
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:05:00 - [64] Originally by: Deathsoul Edited by: Deathsoul on 23/07/2007 19:55:40 My God, my God, why did i join the only aliance ingame thats loosin war and a corp in it thats bankrup seems like **** happens to me allot Im gona run now and try get into some cooler aliance, maby i speak to krullz and get into Newer New Venal aliance. Came here to post that there are plenty of free spellcheckers on the internets!
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:05:00 - [65] Originally by: Princess Jodi Well, a full page with no real retort or analysis of the OP's statements ... hmmm, could that be that no one can actually present viable counter-arguments? Expecially lame is the puke interupting his posts and being proud of it. I consider that an attempt to derail the thread by Bob fanbois. Sorry, but your propoganda machine is not as strong as it once was ... you gotta actually come up with a plausable comeback to his claims, not just play Bagdad Bob and deny it all. I give kudos to the OP for not mentioning the cheating so far - he gives Bob full credit for its achievements, something I'll never do. All the statements of strategy are actually complementary to Bob. After all, attracting top talent, fitting T2 ships, looking for a challenge and having a top-notch propoganda machine is a great accomplishment. True, it might have used its Pets on the way there, but getting my neighbor killed instead of me sounds like a good plan. I look forward to the remaining installments. To those of you who disagree with his post, I suggest you counter his arguments with ones of your own. Each attempt at derailing or flaming is just one more brainwashed plebe. If the guy is wrong, tell us why he's wrong. Jodi you're so right, no response means that everything that the OP posted is 100% factual, correct, and intelligent. It means that everyone in BoB is RIGHT now moving their stuff to empire in order to melt it down and make bestowers, it means the END OF EVE AS WE KNOW IT! - OR - it means that no one cba to respond to something so long and stupid. Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
Anope High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:08:00 - [66] Edited by: Anope on 23/07/2007 20:16:24 Originally by: Wylker Jodi you're so right, no response means that everything that the OP posted is 100% factual, correct, and intelligent. It means that everyone in BoB is RIGHT now moving their stuff to empire in order to melt it down and make bestowers, it means the END OF EVE AS WE KNOW IT! - OR - it means that no one cba to respond to something so long and stupid. Correct me if im wrong.. but I don't think Jodi took such a dramatic stand. You Fail at flaming. -----
Puncher hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:08:00 - [67] Once again a good read James, i'll be looking forward to the next two parts, Part 3 in particular so we can all take bets on your accuracy. hirr Morsus Mihi
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:09:00 - [68] Originally by: Wylker While I'm here: MODS, why is this guy allowed to post like this? What happened to moderating characters that are clearly made in order to bypass the forum rules? I mean seriously, whats the point of even having rules of the forum when people can just **** all over them? Calm down!
sov68n Caldari Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:09:00 - [69] lol am i the first KOS to post in this thread? why weren't we included but aside from that i think BoB had the strategies correct. they fought dirty, so what. they won the battles and in the end isnt that all that matters? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:15:00 - [70] If this was PJ (and knowing him, I know it wasn't) then he'd post as PJ. RULE have no policies on COAD forums, other than kicking people in the head if they behave like balloons on here. The original post is incorrect in some areas, correct in others, and at least an interesting read. But he should of course have POSTED WITH HIS MAIN. Galaxian Recruitment Info

Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:18:00 - [71] It is actually a very interesting read. :) Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Wylker While I'm here: MODS, why is this guy allowed to post like this? What happened to moderating characters that are clearly made in order to bypass the forum rules? I mean seriously, whats the point of even having rules of the forum when people can just **** all over them? He's actually a real person, but he doesn't belong to a corp, so in order to post, he had to make one. The name of the corp he's in is irrelevant. -----------------
UndergrounD Caldari Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:19:00 - [73] yawn -----------------------------------------------
blkmajik ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:20:00 - [74] Edited by: blkmajik on 23/07/2007 20:21:10 OMG! Using ImmunitySec's unmask script, I have confirmed with 97% accuracy that James 315 = Sir Molle = Cyvok = Dave Maynor! cant wait for part II
Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:21:00 - [75] Maybe one of these months BoB will post an announcement regarding some kind of victory. (or maybe not) Good post James.
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:21:00 - [76] Originally by: Evelgrivion Why is BoB "losing"? ...With Revelations 2, their strongest counter to the numbers game RA and Goonswarm play, their supercapitals, were nerfed beyond their former usability; as such, they're working on a new strategy. The end. Y'know this is something that always kinda makes me chuckle. Last I checked, there were over one hundred other ships and over a dozen other ship types available to fly besides motherships and titans. Band of Brothers has the most skillpoints, the most capital available, and overall the greatest ability to make use of all of those ships and use them effectively. I wouldn't think that it could take so long to "adapt".
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:25:00 - [77] Originally by: sov68n lol am i the first KOS to post in this thread? why weren't we included but aside from that i think BoB had the strategies correct. they fought dirty, so what. they won the battles and in the end isnt that all that matters? Cos you didn't matter much while being protected by LV, cos you didn't matter now when protected by goons, and because even RA/TCF are ****ed off at your leader's tactics of bringing ISK farming corps into the alliance. Good enough answer ? Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:26:00 - [78] I don't know what i enjoyed more, the stuff by James 315, or the desperate flaming attempts of a certain pet.
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:26:00 - [79] Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 20:26:48 The only bad part of this was the fact that BoB really didn't "win" in Syndicate either. We fought them with T1 frigs until they got tired of losing HACs to kill a few ships worth less than their ammo, left and called it a victory. This is just more evidence showing how propaganda is the only thing they've mastered, and these days not even that's working out for them. A true victory would've meant that Goonswarm was truly dead. And guess what, we're not. Tick Tock, Ding Dong and Scooby Dooby Doo, Molly.
Virida Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:28:00 - [80] Edited by: Virida on 23/07/2007 20:30:04 This game has grown immensely, BOB just is the top pvpers at the moment. I also know it never last, none can KEEP the top position for years, bob will fall, someday: do anyone here belive bob would survive if the game grow to 300k player? The average mmo player play for 6 months, if EVE is highly unusual, and players play 1 year on average, bob would be toast. If eve grows, and its 6months, bob would need to recruit new players, loose players, recruit, keep up their empire, and resist 50-100k new happy pvpers who form new corporations.

Bishop 5 Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:30:00 - [81] Removed a moderated quote - Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) so what happened to the two crap posts you put in the middle of his well written post? ------------- meh
Odin Starwanderer Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:31:00 - [82] In Eve no one can make you give up other than your self. Kudos to the OP for a well written post and an interesting theory, true or not. __________________ If you want to win a war, you must serve no master but your ambition.
Anope High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:31:00 - [83] 300k is ridicoulous... id give it a good 50-100k tops until the pop either stabalizes or goes back down again... One server cant handle that many people... Fleet combat is already a desynch fest to begin with
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:32:00 - [84] Originally by: Virida This game has grown immensely, BOB just is the top pvpers at the moment. I also know it never last, none can KEEP the top position for years, bob will fall, someday: do anyone here belive bob would survive if the game grow to 300k player? The average mmo player play for 6 months, if EVE is highly unusual, and players play 1 year on average, bob would be toast. I think the point of James' post was that BoB isn't and never was the "top" pvp Alliance, just that they were very good at making others think they were.
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:33:00 - [85] Is bob losing? Why cant I see them losing on the influence map? :o ---------------------------------------
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:34:00 - [86] Originally by: Erik Amirault Maybe one of these months BoB will post an announcement regarding some kind of victory. (or maybe not) Good post James. stop ebaying chars and post with your main ffs ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Aira Phlux Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:34:00 - [87] Edited by: Aira Phlux on 23/07/2007 20:35:09 Edited by: Aira Phlux on 23/07/2007 20:34:23 Hands up if you didn't even read that massive wall of text! http://www.cyber.goth.btinternet.com/handsup.gif \o/
Anope High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:34:00 - [88] Originally by: Juha85 Is bob losing? Why cant I see them losing on the influence map? :o If you use influence map to tell you whose winning... you got problems... Sphere of influence doesn't mean jack **** (no offence, I <3 it aswell and check it everyday) ------
Trak'anon	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:34:00 - [89] Originally by: Juha85 Is bob losing? Why cant I see them losing on the influence map? :o they have to "lose" on the forums first, hence the goon-alt morale boosting post by james
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:35:00 - [90] Since Princess Jodi seems to believe what the OP stated is accurate just because no one countered it, here's a few points to consider: ôBoB's morale was at its lowest point. They griped to their commanders about ASCN blobs and how slowly they were progressing. The moaned in spite of the turkeyshoots.ö Source? Or is this just an assumption? ôBoB held the 9-9 system, considered to be the key to Tenerifis and Omist. BoB also conquered XGH, another important Tenerifis system. Tenerifis is a long way from the BoB heartland, but BoB's logistics were, like BoB itself, considered to be invincible. But something curious happened. In order to supplement the defenses of XGH, BoB decided to pull down some of its POSes from 9-9 and move them to XGH.ö Are you sure there were no precedents of this? ôIn an instant, the illusion of BoB's invincibility was shattered. BoB had reached its limits. Sesfan resolved to stand and fight.ö So youÆre saying that the reason Goons launched a counter-offensive is because BoBÆs aura of invicibility had fadedà and not because 9-9 was not as strongly held as it was before? Source? You're implying that RAGoon was scared to act prior to this, and tbh, that's failing to understand Goons/RA (I may not like them, but I respect their combativity, amongst other things). ôThe signs were there all along. BoB is not invincible, not even close. It is just another alliance. Its strength was an illusion carefully manufactured through a series of good strategic decisions that placed it in unloseable wars and a propaganda machine that covered their tracks in the path to victory.ö Quite frankly, anyone who thought, or still thinks, that BoB is invincible is nanve. Now, if the "aura of invincibility" was still existent prior to 9-9, why would the North have attacked at the outset of the war? ôBut now BoB is fighting against a group of alliances who are not isolated and who are not fooled by BoB's illusions. For the first time, BoB picked a fight it can lose. Oops.ö Aaaaand here you just invalidated a large part of your argument. You yourself stated that BoB never fights in a war that in can possibly loseà so why would the change their modus operandi? Because of ôOopsö?

Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:38:00 - [91] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Since Princess Jodi seems to believe what the OP stated is accurate just because no one countered it, here's a few points to consider: ôBoB's morale was at its lowest point. They griped to their commanders about ASCN blobs and how slowly they were progressing. The moaned in spite of the turkeyshoots.ö Source? Or is this just an assumption? ôBoB held the 9-9 system, considered to be the key to Tenerifis and Omist. BoB also conquered XGH, another important Tenerifis system. Tenerifis is a long way from the BoB heartland, but BoB's logistics were, like BoB itself, considered to be invincible. But something curious happened. In order to supplement the defenses of XGH, BoB decided to pull down some of its POSes from 9-9 and move them to XGH.ö Are you sure there were no precedents of this? ôIn an instant, the illusion of BoB's invincibility was shattered. BoB had reached its limits. Sesfan resolved to stand and fight.ö So youÆre saying that the reason Goons launched a counter-offensive is because BoBÆs aura of invicibility had fadedà and not because 9-9 was not as strongly held as it was before? Source? You're implying that RAGoon was scared to act prior to this, and tbh, that's failing to understand Goons/RA (I may not like them, but I respect their combativity, amongst other things). ôThe signs were there all along. BoB is not invincible, not even close. It is just another alliance. Its strength was an illusion carefully manufactured through a series of good strategic decisions that placed it in unloseable wars and a propaganda machine that covered their tracks in the path to victory.ö Quite frankly, anyone who thought, or still thinks, that BoB is invincible is nanve. Now, if the "aura of invincibility" was still existent prior to 9-9, why would the North have attacked at the outset of the war? ôBut now BoB is fighting against a group of alliances who are not isolated and who are not fooled by BoB's illusions. For the first time, BoB picked a fight it can lose. Oops.ö Aaaaand here you just invalidated a large part of your argument. You yourself stated that BoB never fights in a war that in can possibly loseà so why would the change their modus operandi? Because of ôOopsö? To add. He states that bob always selects targets that are single alliances isolated from their allies. Lets forget for a minute that the red wang swarm federation is 4 alliances. They chose a target that had atleast 3 other major allies then those 4 including AAA and IAC as well as U-L Ka-tet and Ultima Ratio. p.s. im copy righting red wang swarm federation cause i think its neato ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Lucius Ventrue Minmatar Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:38:00 - [92] Interesting outlook on things, I have always been a statistical man myself. The statistics that are 'factual' and im not talking about k/d ratio's... seem to counter the perception. But hell, what do i know Fleet Commander (V) Fear near maxed leadership
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:39:00 - [93] Originally by: Anope Originally by: Juha85 Is bob losing? Why cant I see them losing on the influence map? :o If you use influence map to tell you whose winning... you got problems... Sphere of influence doesn't mean jack **** (no offence, I <3 it aswell and check it everyday) ------ pretty sure it means alot. Do you see D2 on that map? Do you see aftermath falling apart? Do you see Razor reclaiming space? the current conflict in Omist? ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:40:00 - [94] Originally by: Anope Originally by: Juha85 Is bob losing? Why cant I see them losing on the influence map? :o If you use influence map to tell you whose winning... you got problems... Sphere of influence doesn't mean jack **** (no offence, I <3 it aswell and check it everyday) ------ I'm not really on the map with the current goings of the war. So how many fights did bob lose and how many systems? And does this invalidate all the earlier victories they had in the war and make them "lose" ? ---------------------------------------
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:41:00 - [95] I can't believe I read that whole thing.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:43:00 - [96] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Since Princess Jodi seems to believe what the OP stated is accurate just because no one countered it, here's a few points to consider: ôBoB's morale was at its lowest point. They griped to their commanders about ASCN blobs and how slowly they were progressing. The moaned in spite of the turkeyshoots.ö Source? Or is this just an assumption? ôBoB held the 9-9 system, considered to be the key to Tenerifis and Omist. BoB also conquered XGH, another important Tenerifis system. Tenerifis is a long way from the BoB heartland, but BoB's logistics were, like BoB itself, considered to be invincible. But something curious happened. In order to supplement the defenses of XGH, BoB decided to pull down some of its POSes from 9-9 and move them to XGH.ö Are you sure there were no precedents of this? ôIn an instant, the illusion of BoB's invincibility was shattered. BoB had reached its limits. Sesfan resolved to stand and fight.ö So youÆre saying that the reason Goons launched a counter-offensive is because BoBÆs aura of invicibility had fadedà and not because 9-9 was not as strongly held as it was before? Source? You're implying that RAGoon was scared to act prior to this, and tbh, that's failing to understand Goons/RA (I may not like them, but I respect their combativity, amongst other things). ôThe signs were there all along. BoB is not invincible, not even close. It is just another alliance. Its strength was an illusion carefully manufactured through a series of good strategic decisions that placed it in unloseable wars and a propaganda machine that covered their tracks in the path to victory.ö Quite frankly, anyone who thought, or still thinks, that BoB is invincible is nanve. Now, if the "aura of invincibility" was still existent prior to 9-9, why would the North have attacked at the outset of the war? ôBut now BoB is fighting against a group of alliances who are not isolated and who are not fooled by BoB's illusions. For the first time, BoB picked a fight it can lose. Oops.ö Aaaaand here you just invalidated a large part of your argument. You yourself stated that BoB never fights in a war that in can possibly loseà so why would the change their modus operandi? Because of ôOopsö? To add. He states that bob always selects targets that are single alliances isolated from their allies. Lets forget for a minute that the red wang swarm federation is 4 alliances. They chose a target that had atleast 3 other major allies then those 4 including AAA and IAC as well as U-L Ka-tet and Ultima Ratio. p.s. im copy righting red wang swarm federation cause i think its neato There's a big difference between choosing a target and not having any choices left. Who else are they going to fight, FIX -----------------
Jenessa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:44:00 - [97] Pretty interesting read. Of course I imagine peoples opinions on it will differ wildly depending on whether they're pro or anti BoB.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:44:00 - [98] Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Since Princess Jodi seems to believe what the OP stated is accurate just because no one countered it, here's a few points to consider: ôBoB's morale was at its lowest point. They griped to their commanders about ASCN blobs and how slowly they were progressing. The moaned in spite of the turkeyshoots.ö Source? Or is this just an assumption? ôBoB held the 9-9 system, considered to be the key to Tenerifis and Omist. BoB also conquered XGH, another important Tenerifis system. Tenerifis is a long way from the BoB heartland, but BoB's logistics were, like BoB itself, considered to be invincible. But something curious happened. In order to supplement the defenses of XGH, BoB decided to pull down some of its POSes from 9-9 and move them to XGH.ö Are you sure there were no precedents of this? ôIn an instant, the illusion of BoB's invincibility was shattered. BoB had reached its limits. Sesfan resolved to stand and fight.ö So youÆre saying that the reason Goons launched a counter-offensive is because BoBÆs aura of invicibility had fadedà and not because 9-9 was not as strongly held as it was before? Source? You're implying that RAGoon was scared to act prior to this, and tbh, that's failing to understand Goons/RA (I may not like them, but I respect their combativity, amongst other things). ôThe signs were there all along. BoB is not invincible, not even close. It is just another alliance. Its strength was an illusion carefully manufactured through a series of good strategic decisions that placed it in unloseable wars and a propaganda machine that covered their tracks in the path to victory.ö Quite frankly, anyone who thought, or still thinks, that BoB is invincible is nanve. Now, if the "aura of invincibility" was still existent prior to 9-9, why would the North have attacked at the outset of the war? ôBut now BoB is fighting against a group of alliances who are not isolated and who are not fooled by BoB's illusions. For the first time, BoB picked a fight it can lose. Oops.ö Aaaaand here you just invalidated a large part of your argument. You yourself stated that BoB never fights in a war that in can possibly loseà so why would the change their modus operandi? Because of ôOopsö? To add. He states that bob always selects targets that are single alliances isolated from their allies. Lets forget for a minute that the red wang swarm federation is 4 alliances. They chose a target that had atleast 3 other major allies then those 4 including AAA and IAC as well as U-L Ka-tet and Ultima Ratio. p.s. im copy righting red wang swarm federation cause i think its neato There's a big difference between choosing a target and not having any choices left. Who else are they going to fight, FIX Why not? They had done so before. They could also have helped gangbang LV. Yet they chose to pick a fight with RAGoon instead.
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:47:00 - [99] this certainly is a thread
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:48:00 - [100] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Since Princess Jodi seems to believe what the OP stated is accurate just because no one countered it, here's a few points to consider: ôBoB's morale was at its lowest point. They griped to their commanders about ASCN blobs and how slowly they were progressing. The moaned in spite of the turkeyshoots.ö Source? Or is this just an assumption? ôBoB held the 9-9 system, considered to be the key to Tenerifis and Omist. BoB also conquered XGH, another important Tenerifis system. Tenerifis is a long way from the BoB heartland, but BoB's logistics were, like BoB itself, considered to be invincible. But something curious happened. In order to supplement the defenses of XGH, BoB decided to pull down some of its POSes from 9-9 and move them to XGH.ö Are you sure there were no precedents of this? ôIn an instant, the illusion of BoB's invincibility was shattered. BoB had reached its limits. Sesfan resolved to stand and fight.ö So youÆre saying that the reason Goons launched a counter-offensive is because BoBÆs aura of invicibility had fadedà and not because 9-9 was not as strongly held as it was before? Source? You're implying that RAGoon was scared to act prior to this, and tbh, that's failing to understand Goons/RA (I may not like them, but I respect their combativity, amongst other things). ôThe signs were there all along. BoB is not invincible, not even close. It is just another alliance. Its strength was an illusion carefully manufactured through a series of good strategic decisions that placed it in unloseable wars and a propaganda machine that covered their tracks in the path to victory.ö Quite frankly, anyone who thought, or still thinks, that BoB is invincible is nanve. Now, if the "aura of invincibility" was still existent prior to 9-9, why would the North have attacked at the outset of the war? ôBut now BoB is fighting against a group of alliances who are not isolated and who are not fooled by BoB's illusions. For the first time, BoB picked a fight it can lose. Oops.ö Aaaaand here you just invalidated a large part of your argument. You yourself stated that BoB never fights in a war that in can possibly loseà so why would the change their modus operandi? Because of ôOopsö? To add. He states that bob always selects targets that are single alliances isolated from their allies. Lets forget for a minute that the red wang swarm federation is 4 alliances. They chose a target that had atleast 3 other major allies then those 4 including AAA and IAC as well as U-L Ka-tet and Ultima Ratio. p.s. im copy righting red wang swarm federation cause i think its neato There's a big difference between choosing a target and not having any choices left. Who else are they going to fight, FIX Why not? They had done so before. They could also have helped gangbang LV. Yet they chose to pick a fight with RAGoon instead. at the time of molle's chow we are taking your targets post, D2 was still a big player. I think this is the greatest proof of BOB's looking for a fight out there. DBP has stated that their spies in D2 and ASCN revealed that ASCN was a greater challenge then D2 would be. We saw how fast that house of cards folded once MC went north. So it seems like they choose the harder of the two options left to them after the ASCN war. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.

Arl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:50:00 - [101] Interesting read.
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:51:00 - [102] Originally by: Scatim Helicon I can't believe I read that whole thing. QFT. It's propaganda, but it's still based in fact. I think the main point to get out of it is that BoB puffs themselves up to look better than they actually are. But then everyone who's not hiding under BoB's skirt already knew that.
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:52:00 - [103] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Since Princess Jodi seems to believe what the OP stated is accurate just because no one countered it, here's a few points to consider: ôBoB's morale was at its lowest point. They griped to their commanders about ASCN blobs and how slowly they were progressing. The moaned in spite of the turkeyshoots.ö Source? Or is this just an assumption? ôBoB held the 9-9 system, considered to be the key to Tenerifis and Omist. BoB also conquered XGH, another important Tenerifis system. Tenerifis is a long way from the BoB heartland, but BoB's logistics were, like BoB itself, considered to be invincible. But something curious happened. In order to supplement the defenses of XGH, BoB decided to pull down some of its POSes from 9-9 and move them to XGH.ö Are you sure there were no precedents of this? ôIn an instant, the illusion of BoB's invincibility was shattered. BoB had reached its limits. Sesfan resolved to stand and fight.ö So youÆre saying that the reason Goons launched a counter-offensive is because BoBÆs aura of invicibility had fadedà and not because 9-9 was not as strongly held as it was before? Source? You're implying that RAGoon was scared to act prior to this, and tbh, that's failing to understand Goons/RA (I may not like them, but I respect their combativity, amongst other things). ôThe signs were there all along. BoB is not invincible, not even close. It is just another alliance. Its strength was an illusion carefully manufactured through a series of good strategic decisions that placed it in unloseable wars and a propaganda machine that covered their tracks in the path to victory.ö Quite frankly, anyone who thought, or still thinks, that BoB is invincible is nanve. Now, if the "aura of invincibility" was still existent prior to 9-9, why would the North have attacked at the outset of the war? ôBut now BoB is fighting against a group of alliances who are not isolated and who are not fooled by BoB's illusions. For the first time, BoB picked a fight it can lose. Oops.ö Aaaaand here you just invalidated a large part of your argument. You yourself stated that BoB never fights in a war that in can possibly loseà so why would the change their modus operandi? Because of ôOopsö? To add. He states that bob always selects targets that are single alliances isolated from their allies. Lets forget for a minute that the red wang swarm federation is 4 alliances. They chose a target that had atleast 3 other major allies then those 4 including AAA and IAC as well as U-L Ka-tet and Ultima Ratio. p.s. im copy righting red wang swarm federation cause i think its neato There's a big difference between choosing a target and not having any choices left. Who else are they going to fight, FIX Why not? They had done so before. They could also have helped gangbang LV. Yet they chose to pick a fight with RAGoon instead. Are you saying that BoB would've sided with us to kill LV, or even attacked an enemy of ours? I want some of that stuff you're smoking, dude.
Traderjohn Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:52:00 - [104] jus 1 comment, i know virtuozzo pritty well, flown with him and his guys for 6 months, 1 thing i will say. he is not a spy. romours are romours. they dont mean anything u are allowed to have friends on the other side. that dont mean u are a spy, nor about to spy for them. its a game. people have fun and meet new people. thats what eve is about. virt is one of them people who stands out. but that dont make him a spy TJ
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:53:00 - [105] Originally by: Torshin at the time of molle's chow we are taking your targets post, D2 was still a big player. I think this is the greatest proof of BOB's looking for a fight out there. DBP has stated that their spies in D2 and ASCN revealed that ASCN was a greater challenge then D2 would be. We saw how fast that house of cards folded once MC went north. So it seems like they choose the harder of the two options left to them after the ASCN war. If you think BoB vs D2/MM/RZR would have been the cake-wake MC/YW/CS/AA/FATAL/M.PIRE/et all vs D2/MM/RZR, you're sadly mistaken. Originally by: Juha85 Is bob losing? Why cant I see them losing on the influence map? :o If you only look at the influence map, it would look like YouWhat was competent enough to hold conquerable space by themselves. -----------------
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:53:00 - [106] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/07/2007 20:54:11 Originally by: Obron Mettlo There's a big difference between choosing a target and not having any choices left. Who else are they going to fight, FIX If the Op would be correct then Bob could have simply contuinied the peace that was going on and they could have simply found some weak alliance to defeat in order to protect their "aura of invincibility". On a side note, anyone who believes any alliance in eve is invincible is a fool. Everyone has a limit, some have high and some have low limits, Bob has proven they're willing to go a long way to achieve victory but this in no way guarantees victory. Goonswarm has shown to have quite an effective tactic against Bob, Bob focuses on quality and skill over numbers, this leaves two counter tactics; - Higher skilled players with fewer numbers, nearly impossible to achieve due to the fact that theres a lot of high end players in Bob. - Lower skilled players in high numbers, which is what goonswarm has shown they excel at. It doesn't matter how highly skilled you are and how expensive your setup is, if someones simply brings more people then you can kill you've got a bit of a problem. Bob countered this swarm tactic trough the use of titans, which after the recent nerf are obviously no longer as effective at doing that. So is this the end of Bob? No its not, even if they found themselves unable to adapt to the new battlefield and would end up losing all of their space the alliance itself would survive and simply restart the conquest of eve somewhere else. The universe is ever changing. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:54:00 - [107] Originally by: Psilocin Are you saying that BoB would've sided with us to kill LV, or even attacked an enemy of ours? I want some of that stuff you're smoking, dude. Not saying that they would've, just that they could've, yet didn't.
Axe Mahoney Sweetrock Mining Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:54:00 - [108] EPIC THREAD. I'm looking forward to part 2.
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:57:00 - [109] its funny how bob pets are defending them (remember how big forum support they had in Xelas) i would like to know which one will be next to get exportet from region they occupy :P (like xelas ? :P).
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:58:00 - [110] Originally by: Torshin To add. He states that bob always selects targets that are single alliances isolated from their allies. Lets forget for a minute that the red wang swarm federation is 4 alliances. They chose a target that had atleast 3 other major allies then those 4 including AAA and IAC as well as U-L Ka-tet and Ultima Ratio. BoB didn't select the opponent in this case, though, the opponent (including D2 and the rest of the North) selected them in the wake of the whole T20 / BPOgate episode. There's bits of the OP that I think are wrong, just not that one.

Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:00:00 - [111] Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 21:00:53 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Psilocin Are you saying that BoB would've sided with us to kill LV, or even attacked an enemy of ours? I want some of that stuff you're smoking, dude. Not saying that they would've, just that they could've, yet didn't. If you're talking in terms of Bizarro EVE logic like this I'd say that there's about as much chance of us packing up and going back to Syndicate, because you know, we have the option and all but just don't want to right now.
papaPadla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:03:00 - [112] is this another version of "we killed a carrier" topics we seen past months? seems all about the same to me showing clearly that 1+1=0 when you count for bob and same 1+1=5 when you count for the "other side" -------------------------------------
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:03:00 - [113] Originally by: Don Z0LA its funny how bob pets are defending them (remember how big forum support they had in Xelas) i would like to know which one will be next to get exportet from region they occupy :P (like xelas ? :P). Perhaps its because i can think of worse things then being kicked out? As a pet theres a bunch of diffrent people you need to set blue that you might not quite like, if you get kicked out you get to shoot them ^_^ ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:03:00 - [114] Originally by: Psilocin If you're talking in terms of Bizarro EVE logic like this I'd say that there's about as much chance of us packing up and going back to Syndicate, because you know, we have the option and all but just don't want to right now. Well, they could've picked a fight with D2; they were your enemies, weren't they? Attacking LV is a stretch of the imagination, I'll give you that, but it IS (or rather, was) a possibility.
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:03:00 - [115] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus [ Why not? They had done so before. They could also have helped gangbang LV. Yet they chose to pick a fight with RAGoon instead. Err BoB did more to kill LV than we did. Offering false hope and then recruiting the main corps and good players killed LV.
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:04:00 - [116] Originally by: Juha85 Is bob losing? Why cant I see them losing on the influence map? :o You mean like Aftermath?
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:06:00 - [117] Edited by: Obron Mettlo on 23/07/2007 21:06:29 Originally by: papaPadla is this another version of "we killed a carrier" topics we seen past months? seems all about the same to me showing clearly that 1+1=0 when you count for bob and same 1+1=5 when you count for the "other side" As a BoB member, maybe you can tell us why you lost your footing in Tenerifis and are slowly being pushed out of Omist. It's really easy to sit and criticize someone's theories if you don't offer any of your own for everyones consumption. -----------------
Arl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:07:00 - [118] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain So is this the end of Bob? No its not, even if they found themselves unable to adapt to the new battlefield and would end up losing all of their space the alliance itself would survive and simply restart the conquest of eve somewhere else. It's far more likely that BoB will simply disolve after a few more major defeats.
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:07:00 - [119] Edited by: Juha85 on 23/07/2007 21:10:30 Quote: If you only look at the influence map, it would look like YouWhat was competent enough to hold conquerable space by themselves. So when you dont figure out anything constructive to say you resort to forum insults. Good for you. And just for your information I dont care who ever wins the war in the south, however I would like to know where exactly do you draw into a conclusion that bob is losin ---------------------------------------
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:07:00 - [120] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Bob focuses on quality and skill over numbers you don't say

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:08:00 - [121] Originally by: Fry Fortune Originally by: Deschenus Maximus [ Why not? They had done so before. They could also have helped gangbang LV. Yet they chose to pick a fight with RAGoon instead. Err BoB did more to kill LV than we did. Offering false hope and then recruiting the main corps and good players killed LV. Interesting POV, but I think you're selling yourselves a little short. Being kicked out of your space never does anything good to the member count. Who knows, maybe LV could've bounced back, but now we'll never know, and saying anything besides that is pure speculation.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:08:00 - [122] Originally by: Arl Originally by: Joshua Foiritain So is this the end of Bob? No its not, even if they found themselves unable to adapt to the new battlefield and would end up losing all of their space the alliance itself would survive and simply restart the conquest of eve somewhere else. It's far more likely that BoB will simply disolve after a few more major defeats. Yeah, just like they where all leaving to player POTBS? Hold on a little bit longer, it'll all work out eventually. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:09:00 - [123] Hey guys, I hear that sov maps and kill death ratios are 100% accurate and can be used to get a complete picture of how wars are going without any intel or experience in the war whatsoever can someone please confirm or deny (hopping on the "OP is obviously biased and probably has some few inaccuracies but contains a lot more truth than the pets want to admit" bandwagon)
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:11:00 - [124] Quote: Even when ASCN was losing stations, it sent its fleet to help AXE against -AAA-, but AXE never returned the favor because it was too afraid of BoB. Fittingly, AXE is now a BoB pet. Not true. I used to be in AXE (my corp was), and this is really not true. Aside of the differances we may have with the current version of AXE, AXE really tried to help ASCN on the BoB war, but we had our hands full with AAA. When we were able to help ASCN, with roaming gangs around ASCN space, we had better results than the ASCN +30 man gangs who were present then too (I remember one where we were 7 ceptors, chased by 20 bobbits in battleshps/cruisers, where we ended up killing a T2 Geddon who logged) ASCN did helped AXE in the AAA campaign (mainly STK and CLS, I think) during some parts, though the war then was kinda over (they did helped us on one station re-take when we needed more DPS to take out the shields of a station, forgot which one) +-+-+-+-+ "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:13:00 - [125] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Bob focuses on quality and skill over numbers Do you actually play this game or are you one of those guys who only got a forum account?? Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:14:00 - [126] Edited by: Patch86 on 23/07/2007 21:14:52 Lol, I enjoyed that read thoroughly. Not because I believe it to be excessively true, but because it was a really entertaining and well written piece. You should be a tabloid journalist IRL There were bits and pieces I think you've gotten pretty right, but they're interceded by some massive chunks of wrong. Originally by: Serenity Steele Just so I understand the facts, an you please point out how this graph does in fact, show BoB is losing? Well, the Sov graph does dip somewhat, to the level of 30 days ago, at the end. But as much as I love your tool (and I totally do) it's not really the right thing for determining this issue. They did indeed attempt to conquer 9-9 and were repelled, and have since lost some of their Omist holdings. This is a somewhat more appropriate tool for that kind of thing. --------
Arl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:15:00 - [127] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Arl Originally by: Joshua Foiritain So is this the end of Bob? No its not, even if they found themselves unable to adapt to the new battlefield and would end up losing all of their space the alliance itself would survive and simply restart the conquest of eve somewhere else. It's far more likely that BoB will simply disolve after a few more major defeats. Yeah, just like they where all leaving to player POTBS? Hold on a little bit longer, it'll all work out eventually. Exactly, if we both hold on for a while, instead of the current excuse posts about low activity from BoB "because it's summer". The future excuse posts will be talking about other games and how bored BoB are with Eve.
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:16:00 - [128] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Don Z0LA its funny how bob pets are defending them (remember how big forum support they had in Xelas) i would like to know which one will be next to get exportet from region they occupy :P (like xelas ? :P). Perhaps its because i can think of worse things then being kicked out? As a pet theres a bunch of diffrent people you need to set blue that you might not quite like, if you get kicked out you get to shoot them ^_^ so you actually wanna tell me that even worse things can happen to pets, and even if they know they might get kicked they will support bob just to save themselves as much as they can ? so like "lets go support bob on forums, they might have mercy and just kick us out of their space instead of imprisoning us here and killing us " ? you wanted to tell that they are rather being "pets" then to try to fight bob with others and get their tinary down? :D
Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:17:00 - [129] i came to this part ...To ensure its victory, BoB always fought under ideal conditions. First, the target alliance was isolated from its allies. Next, BoB gathered as many allies to its cause as possible. The allies would bleed the target, and when the target was near death, BoB would rush in to finish it off in spectacular fashion,... /yes we never fought against multi allainces.this thread is crap its just matter of day when this thread die from aids
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:23:00 - [130] Originally by: Endeva this thread is crap its just matter of day when this thread die from aids Much like your alliance

Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:25:00 - [131] Originally by: Psilocin Originally by: Endeva this thread is crap its just matter of day when this thread die from aids Much like your alliance an answer of a 9yrs old ******** kid that need family hug. i am out of this thread.
Apollyon X Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:25:00 - [132] very good read.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:25:00 - [133] Originally by: Don Z0LA so you actually wanna tell me that even worse things can happen to pets Sure, we could run out of money and end up having to do something as interesting as NPCing, pew pew > npcing. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Obed Dark Materials	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:27:00 - [134] An enjoyable read ----- I have one account and zero alts.
Stormers Girlfriend	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:28:00 - [135] Fantasticly bias. Also, a great read with truths many will soon learn.
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:29:00 - [136] Originally by: Stormers Girlfriend Fantasticly bias. Also, a great read with truths many will soon learn. Fecking ALTS!!! --- We are Recuiting! If you have what it takes, click me! Oh yeah...click me....yeah...
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:29:00 - [137] Quote: this thread is crap its just matter of day when this thread die from aids Thats gotta be the single worst line ive ever read on these forums for so many reasons. And whats your point about fighting multi alliances? You had multi alliances fighting WITH you aswell. And we all know BoB wanted and had prepared for being attacked by the entirety of EvE pretty much. Which means they knew they stood a massive chance of winning. As much as people will try and argue it, nearly all fleet fights happen because the FC's think they can win, losing your entire fleet and killing nothing is not "fun". Winning is. If losing fleet fights all the time was fun then ASCN would have never died. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:30:00 - [138] Good read. I'll comment here for people who don't quite get it: The bottom line as far as wars in conquerable space goes is how many of your enemies' POS you can blow up and replace with your own. A giant kill/death ratio means nothing if you can't effectively do this and they can. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:43:00 - [139] Interesting read. But alot of the text is very biased from my pov.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:46:00 - [140] THIS THREAD

Dawn Princess eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:47:00 - [141] Originally by: Darko1107 If losing fleet fights all the time was fun then ASCN would have never died. Or D2 for that matter.
Helen STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:48:00 - [142] Skimread but omg what a pile of ASCN blaah blaah whaah, get a grip. STK providing Mothership deaths since 2007
Hunter Thompson Tranquility Drinkers Club	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:48:00 - [143] At the end of February 30,000 EvE characters grouped together to once and for all defeat the alliance Band of Brothers. Now, six months later, after several of those alliances have been decimated, those left in the coalition claim victory over the mighty BoB after taking a couple of systems. The shouts of victory could be heard in March when the coalition shouted how the Alamo in NOL would fall in a matter of weeks. Now they can be heard again as the Coalition score points in what was there own space. I think this war is great to follow - 6 to 8 weeks ago Goonswarm were down and out scurrying back to Scalding Pass, TCF had been well and truly pushed out of Feythabolis, IAC, AAA and RA were no where to be seen. But credit where credit is due - they've regrouped and come again. Only the short sighted and ignorant would suggest that BoB will not do the same. This war has many more chapters to go through yet and I for one are looking forward to them unfolding.
sov68n Caldari Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:48:00 - [144] whoever was the **** that insulted me because of my alliance, here's to you: ..\|. and personally i think that BoB was "invincible" because the strategy of Divide and Conquer was proven to work by Napoleon Bonaparte. An BoB used that to their advantage. I say no matter what strategy you use, if it achieves victory, whats wrong with it? but BoB does seem to be crumbling because of the Goon offensives in Omist, but tbh they are overstretched and that means their borders are more easily taken. Like the Roman Empire, they were so big they couldn't repel all the barbarian raids (not comparing Goon to barbarians). and they eventually crumbled. Same thing might happen to BoB
joshua cane Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:51:00 - [145] bob will be defeated
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:54:00 - [146] Very good read. Like every good propaganda piece it has a foundation of facts and is sprinkled with a lot of assumptions and half truths. It is difficult for anyone but the higher echelon of the involved parties to really contradict, and they probably won't bother replying to alt-CAOD threads. But, like I said, entertaining and well written. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:56:00 - [147] Originally by: joshua cane bob will be defeated No doubt they will at some point. But I dont think goons will be the ones destroying bob, no offence goons... though no one knows what might happen. ---------------------------------------
quellious COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:57:00 - [148] Nice summary, thx. Just a little note about history, several thousands players were waiting the moment when BoB will move toward east. Going to help LV was maybe the biggest BoB failure. - Did you noticed that a pendulum does not swing in deep space ?
sov68n Caldari Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:58:00 - [149] i wish i had joined Goon instead of KOS........
titanstory FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:59:00 - [150] bob will be defeated

Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:00:00 - [151] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 23/07/2007 22:00:45 We had those threads and alts babbling about "bob losing, they are to stretched out, to arrogant blabla" stuff all to often. We had all those theories. About boring them, propagand¦ing them, scamming them, accusing them cheaters and all that. Nothing could do anything but even harm them. When do ppl actually learn, especially from the past that the only way to defeat bob is on the battlefield by being better. This is not impossible, its not even that difficult as u might think, and i know what im speaking about (though those times are far in the past). But opening 2312312 new threads about possibilities how bob could and will lose, will do zero to achieve that. When will ppl realize that?
Argyle Jones Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:01:00 - [152] Well written. Dunno if it's all true, but very well written.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:01:00 - [153] Originally by: Hunter Thompson At the end of February 30,000 EvE characters grouped together to once and for all defeat the alliance Band of Brothers. Now, six months later, after several of those alliances have been decimated, those left in the coalition claim victory over the mighty BoB after taking a couple of systems. The shouts of victory could be heard in March when the coalition shouted how the Alamo in NOL would fall in a matter of weeks. Now they can be heard again as the Coalition score points in what was there own space. I think this war is great to follow - 6 to 8 weeks ago Goonswarm were down and out scurrying back to Scalding Pass, TCF had been well and truly pushed out of Feythabolis, IAC, AAA and RA were no where to be seen. But credit where credit is due - they've regrouped and come again. Only the short sighted and ignorant would suggest that BoB will not do the same. This war has many more chapters to go through yet and I for one are looking forward to them unfolding. I'm glad that there is some people out there who see through the propoganda and fairytales and see it how it is. Wars, especially long ones will go this way and then that, and claiming victory on the goons part at this still relatively early stage is naive. Allainces show true character when they are under the most strain. Ra were pushed to the brink of oblivion and somehow, through sheer will, teamwork and dedication came back. The goonies also were in crisis and managed to keep there head together and make a counter push. Congrats where it's due but jumping around, bawking about victory at this stage doesn't make sense. Wait until your standing over the corpse of the enemy alliance, otherwise, when the tides of war shift once again as they have a habit of doing, you will be standing there with egg on your face and wondering what has happened. Just chill and enjoy the ride GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
anister Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:01:00 - [154] I wish to subscribe to your monthly newsletter. ___
Alpine 69 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:01:00 - [155] Hi mum. Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3 From her? You're on. -Rauth
Lube Myholes Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:03:00 - [156] Very nice read One fact you missed, the fast downfall of LV helped BOB alot cos 2k of players where free to help and turn the tide ( for a while ).
GomezChou Gallente Nexus Analytics Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:06:00 - [157] This should be a much shorter conversation. Both sides lose when they underestimate the other. it's happened numerous times on both sides of the conflict. One side or the other **s up, immediately blames ** up on other side, fails to learn from mistake, become convinced there's a conspiracy, and has to have an EXCEEDINGLY long post explaining that "HAY GAIS! BoB aren't superhuman gamers from another dimension trained from birth to pwn us in eve!" And the sad part is, that wasn't a smack on the OP. Honestly, the fact that there's actually a need for this to be said should make you all feel a little silly.
CEO Pyrex DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:06:00 - [158] Great post by james and yes i would agree with it 1. ASCN died just as he said it did - sad times but desearved to die imho 2. Bob are loosing the war for the very reasons he said (taking pos down from 9-9 was very silly and incredibly arrogant) plus bob is awash with spies, the intel i get fed and little snippets from the forums keep me and my corp entertained for hours. 3. RSF are pretty motivated at the moment and looking forward to more fights, cos thats all that matters at the end of the day, we want good fights with no lag and plenty of meat to grind. 4. Fix are buckling fast to AAA and IAC, bob arnt coming to save you guys 5. bob will win if they kick out all the LV and ASCN wastes of space and get back to being a serious kickass fleet again - i dont think that will happen in a hurry as directors like taxation on ratting. and the last one is prolly the biggest reason - would you want to deploy your 30 dreads against a pos next to AAA, RA, TCF and Goon capital systems? our survey says no....... (then it says hotdrop, then it says splat) flame away, its all good fun at the end of the day in this big ole internet spaceship game. -dbp
Gloomy Gus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:08:00 - [159] Originally by: Dramaticus THIS THREAD
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:09:00 - [160] Originally by: Gloomy Gus Originally by: Dramaticus THIS THREAD qft

RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:10:00 - [161] Interesting read. But I have to ask : how do you know so much about what went on inside BoB during the ASCN wars when ASCN had no spies there as you said?
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:10:00 - [162] Boy are you bitter. You really need to get over ASCN war with your feelings.
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:16:00 - [163] I don't like either one of you. I think Goons are winning my dislike war based on posts. Bravo!
Joycalyn REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:18:00 - [164] @OP Very accurate imho. Great job reading between the lines and finding truth in history.
Redback911 Malevolent Intentions Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:19:00 - [165] Fascinating, and quite flame free considering the content.
Director Stoned Band of Developers	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:24:00 - [166] Let's face it BoB hasn't wont a single engagement in over two years.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:26:00 - [167] TLDR
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:26:00 - [168] Originally by: Director Stoned Let's face it BoB hasn't wont a single engagement in over two years. Lets face it in the light of the community that you are the idiot of the century
Inthemix Division Solaris	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:27:00 - [169] Edited by: Inthemix on 23/07/2007 22:28:21 Originally by: titanstory bob will be defeated And one day, tcf will do something in this game without 4465464542448754465 allies. More lies please
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:30:00 - [170] Originally by: Endeva i came to this part ...To ensure its victory, BoB always fought under ideal conditions. First, the target alliance was isolated from its allies. Next, BoB gathered as many allies to its cause as possible. The allies would bleed the target, and when the target was near death, BoB would rush in to finish it off in spectacular fashion,... /yes we never fought against multi allainces.this thread is crap its just matter of day when this thread die from aids comic sans=fail tbh _________________________________________________________

Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:32:00 - [171] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Director Stoned Let's face it BoB hasn't wont a single engagement in over two years. Lets face it in the light of the community that you are the idiot of the century Someone please introduce this guy to the concept of irony please.
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:32:00 - [172] Interesting read James, very interesting. Stop by my office and we'll have a cup of tea later. ---Sig--- I am an arms dealer Fitting you with weapons in the form of words -F.O.B.
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:34:00 - [173] Edited by: ArcticFox on 23/07/2007 22:35:28 Quote: Even when ASCN was losing stations, it sent its fleet to help AXE against -AAA-, but AXE never returned the favor because it was too afraid of BoB. Fittingly, AXE is now a BoB pet. You obviously don't know Steel Rat at all if you think the reason for calling off the assistance of that decrepit alliance had anything to do with fear of BoB. If anyone at that time could be said to have known exactly how strong BoB were in comparison to their actual image, it was the leadership of AXE. I think Pilk may have already covered this, but in the entirety of AXE's conflict with AAA, ASCN brought a fleet to help us a grand total of once. So if all AXE was expected to do was "return the favor" then we actually repayed it three or four times over before we were called off. Aside from that your analysis of ASCNs death is pretty accurate. -------------------------- There is no +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve.
rycar Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:35:00 - [174] somebody bold the good parts
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:35:00 - [175] Page 6 in an alt thread \o/ Good job CCP, you close a Flatliner thread, but still allow the one man alt trolls. Awsome I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Garregus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:39:00 - [176] i think psilocin won at eve-o
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:39:00 - [177] Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 22:41:19 Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 22:39:56 ^^ Oh hay Garregus, how's everything? ^^ Edit: Never mind
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:39:00 - [178] Woodlouse! Woody why you hate? We sent you bees! :( ~ no not believin in urself ~
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:41:00 - [179] Surprisingly not completely false...
Jobie Thickburger Gallente Condottieri Industries	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:42:00 - [180] Boy, I'm a tad bit upset I missed the last first 6 months of this war due to work, Got deployed after the first month of the "Clash of the Titans". James, A very well written post. Be it fact or Fiction, I'm not to make that call, though I do agree with a lot of what your saying too. I think though that the overall question being addressed here, Is is this the beginning of the end of BoB war, or simply a Weakining in BoB's front. Granted, from the outside its hard to make accurate guesses at whats really happening. Heck, My BoB Intel gathering methods invovles using a really bit telescope anyway . BoB lost a key system, Due to an error of judgment. The person in charge of that may not have had enough funding to do the job to the extent that he wanted to, or RL could have gotten in the way. both are quite common. Due to that defeat, They are being pushed back a little bit. But arn't these recent events as well, Who's to say that the fight will not double back on the Counter-offensive?. From now I'd say its to early to tell. The battle of 9-9 may be the RSF's Midway, but sometimes thats just a lucky shot. Is BoB's taking a beating, thats what it looks like, But are they defeated? Not yet, In my opinion. Will they be, Its always possible, but Its to soon to tell. There's a lot of weight behind BoB, Even if you account for most of it being Propaganda. All great empires do fall, as we've all said. And as you pointed out, A lot of the reason BoB is still here is due to the bickering between the other alliances, Such as RA/LV about 9 months ago. Had ASCN been able to rally the other superpowers, such as D2, LV, and RA at the time they were being attacked (ok, making a truce between RA/LV would be tricky, but irrelevent) Then BoB would have been hurting, and mabey even defeated. You mentioned a Northern Front during the ASCN war. I seem to remember seeing signs of this at one point. Had it been D2 on that front, rather than an ASCN strike team... Don't count BoB out yet. They lost some territory they claimed, Sure, But don't forget, It was a hit on their Winnings, Not their Core. To be pushed back is not to be defeated. When the war moves to Delve, Then we can start disccusing defeat in more detail. CEO, Condottieri Industries

borup New Balkan Mafia Circle 0f Two	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:42:00 - [181] Originally by: Remote Sensor Dampner II Yeah is biased and an alt post, but there are a lot of truths in there that few will realise. /signed very much so Originally by: Evelgrivion Why is BoB "losing"? Because its summer, a time when BoB traditionally decreases in numbers. With Revelations 2, their strongest counter to the numbers game RA and Goonswarm play, their supercapitals, were nerfed beyond their former usability; as such, they're working on a new strategy. The end. so bob decreases numbers during summer (unlike anyone else!?), but yet not during christmas?? Their IWIN button was, and always will be, 'playing at peak hours' for themselves mate... Now pls be a nice pet and let bob speak for themsleves instead of you speaking in their name will you? ^^ PS * part is pretty much context of james's well written part 1 PSS ** loop back to Remote Sensor Dampner's quote for definition of well written
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:46:00 - [182] Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 Good read and almost 100% accurate. Just a couple corrections. At the time when BoB attacked ASCN, it is true that I was almost never online, thanks to RL commitments in the US Air Force. However, I never countermanded the orders to attack Bob in Fountain. The problem was that no one would join ASCN to fight and we did not have enough core PvPers to mount a real steady 2 front war against BoB on our own. We would have if AXE had any backbone, or D2 could have put aside their grudges, but as it turned out, my good friend Steel Rat apparently had other plans. I knew I should have taken those Crayons away from him! Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already. But as you stated, they are expert at image engineering and convinced everyone that BoB would win and destroy them all if they joined forces with ASCN. Oddly enough, no one joined the fight alongside ASCN and they all (but one) were destroyed anyway... None-the-less, very good post, well thought out and relatively accurate with my knowledge of the timeline and events. -CYVOK- PS. I would also be careful not to count BoB out just yet, history will show that as soon as you determine you have won, you have already lost.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:51:00 - [183] Look at --> Future. Come on folks. No Crayons, no crap, focus on fun. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Hatuk The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:55:00 - [184] Edited by: Hatuk on 23/07/2007 23:06:56 Originally by: Helen Skimread but omg what a pile of ASCN blaah blaah whaah, get a grip. says helen... the newest bob lapdog btw, i just cant believe with how much energy the pets and slaves defend bobitses. it now is beyond funny... its like some kind of cult worshiping. avarage teen pet wannabee thinking: "hmmm, if i lick their balls long enough i might get a chance to get into bob! and then... and THEN i will be so coll and in school i can tell stories to the girls! ah, wait.. to the nerds! yes they are my target audience, f*ck the girl, nerds i want" p.s. apologize for bad english, im jsut dumb balkan men. we not smart like western people, we barbarians
Cleveland Steam Neverland Ranch Hands	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:00:00 - [185] Originally by: James 315 Oh, hello there! It's been awhile, hasn't it? I've been terribly busy. Nevertheless, I felt the need to weigh in on the great mystery of the Great War: why is BoB losing? This is a huge and complex question, and even most BoB pilots wouldn't know how to begin answering it. Is it presumptuous of me to tackle this assignment? Maybe, but I am the CEO and founder of one of the most successful CAOD-inspired 1-man alt corps around, so who better? The question of why BoB is losing is so big that you could easily write several volumes about it, but I will limit myself to a simple three-part series. You will only find Part I here today. In Part I: The BoB Delusion, we will discuss the origins and truth behind the carefully crafted myth of BoB invincibility. In Part II: Survival of the Faithless, we will delve into the 'evolution' of BoB and how it came to its current composition, and how BoB attempts to mask its true, house-of-cards nature. In Part III: The Region's Not That Nice, we will examine the probable future of BoB and its exit strategy from the current crisis. Tick tock and all that, so let's jump right in, shall we? Why Is BoB Losing? Part I: The BoB Delusion Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. -- John Adams, defense attorney for the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre; second U.S. President The war rages on, and BoB finds itself thwarted in the east by the RedSwarm Federation (RSF; Goons, Red, Tau Ceti). After failing the defend its towers in the crucial system of 9-9, BoB holds a mandatory operation to destroy the Goon POSes. But no matter what it throws at them, BoB fails to destroy even one. The Goons capture the system and RSF offensives begin in the region of Omist, formerly written off by the Coalition and auctioned by BoB on CAOD. How is this possible? How can an invincible alliance like the Band of Brothers lose? How can the manifestation of "omnipotence itself" fail so completely? Observers say that BoB is behaving in a very un-BoB manner. After all, isn't this the same alliance that breezed through all the greatest wars in Eve? We begin our search for the answer by going back to the days when BoB was held in its highest esteem, the days when BoB earned the aura of invincibility. In the summer of 2005, the Band of Brothers alliance was created by the best PvP'ers in Eve. They wanted an alliance in which they could excel alongside like-minded players. They wanted to test the limits of their abilities by going head-to-head with the most powerful entities they could find. BoB would do anything for a challenge, even giving away regions it conquered in the north and resetting all of their allies to neutral so it would have more people to fight. BoB threw itself into one war after the next--some would say recklessly, always in search of a greater challenge. But because of BoB's incredible skill and teamwork, the galaxy of Eve was unable to offer up anyone worthy enough. No matter how many alliances teamed up against BoB, BoB always prevailed, claiming one impossible victory after the next. Not. This is the myth of BoB. The reality of BoB is not so impressive, but it is much more helpful in understanding the current state of BoB and the war. The true BoB is not an alliance that pushes itself to the limits or places itself in unnecessary danger. The mythical BoB and the real BoB only share one thing: the ambition to conquer all of 0.0 space. When SirMolle claimed that as his goal, he was being quite serious. And he went about his business in a very cautious, practical manner. The history of BoB is not an alliance screaming blindly into the heat of battle. Rather, BoB has always ensured that it only fought wars that it was guaranteed to win. (Proceed to section 2, if you will!) ** My ADD > James 315** Plz dont nerf my sig again...
Sabariel	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:03:00 - [186] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 ....100% accurate.........The problem was that no one would join ASCN to fight........We would have if AXE had any backbone......Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already.........and relatively accurate with my knowledge of the timeline and events...... -CYVOK- O M G.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:10:00 - [187] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 Good read and almost 100% accurate. Just a couple corrections. At the time when BoB attacked ASCN, it is true that I was almost never online, thanks to RL commitments in the US Air Force. However, I never countermanded the orders to attack Bob in Fountain. The problem was that no one would join ASCN to fight and we did not have enough core PvPers to mount a real steady 2 front war against BoB on our own. We would have if AXE had any backbone, or D2 could have put aside their grudges, but as it turned out, my good friend Steel Rat apparently had other plans. I knew I should have taken those Crayons away from him! Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already. But as you stated, they are expert at image engineering and convinced everyone that BoB would win and destroy them all if they joined forces with ASCN. Oddly enough, no one joined the fight alongside ASCN and they all (but one) were destroyed anyway... None-the-less, very good post, well thought out and relatively accurate with my knowledge of the timeline and events. -CYVOK- PS. I would also be careful not to count BoB out just yet, history will show that as soon as you determine you have won, you have already lost. Dude, the reason no-body helped you wasn't fear. The northern bloc didn't help you because they were still ****ed with you about earlier conflicts, and wanted you dead as much as BoB. LV's southern coalition were better friends with BoB than ASCN, and what is now RSF&Co were all having enough of their own problems to help you. That only leaves the ASCN & Friends power bloc- and if they weren't helping you out enough, you've got no-one to blame but yourselves for building a crumby power bloc. --------
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:12:00 - [188] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30We would have if AXE had any backbone If AXE had thrown the necessary resources into attacking BoB space alongside you, we would have collapsed about four weeks into our "victory" drive when people noticed AAA was redecorating our stations. Add to that the fact that most AXE members didn't really think that bloated, iskmongering thing you called an alliance was worth saving, and suddenly "backbone" doesn't really seem to be that big a factor in the equation. Even the members of your "closest allies" didn't like your guys very much. Frankly, ASCN had the resources to stonewall BoB until it could find some allies in a position where they could help, it just didn't have the leadership to put those resources in motion. -------------------------- There is no +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve.
Mylea Tenebrae Elegance Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:13:00 - [189] Edited by: Mylea Tenebrae on 23/07/2007 23:13:19 Interesting... Now, stop speaking, and come on fight with us... or against us. No risk, no challenge, no glory...
fugazii Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:13:00 - [190] The signs go back far far than what your writing about. In fact it goes back to bob's coming out party the GNW. The whole concept of what bob is built on is completely contradicted by this war. If the intension of bob is to own all of 0.0, yet they left 5 'conquered' regions of space because they are "bored", that reasoning just makes no sence. The fact of it is, they were being beaten...badly. They never removed PA from Venal and G was playing ping pong with BKG, Fade and Deklein already under thier controll, when BOB decided they were bored. This is when BoBs forums skills emerged and it was sucessfully spun into them being bored, and that there was noone to fight. Next came FA, this was a long war, even with period basis being fully taken for them by allies which later became the5. After this war, something happened. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up.

Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:14:00 - [191] So when BoB finally die under the weight of half a dozen, or more, alliances, then what? Sure, there will be the CAOD-brigade coming in claiming how RA, GS, AAA, or whoever, are more powerful than BoB ever were, despite not beating them on their own, but even if 'BoB' is destroyed, you'll have some other incarnation of the same players resurface, and it'll likely happen when everyone else is fighting each other, or after everyone NAPs each other into a coma. Besides, the real shame of all of this is that even if BoB and goonswarm both vanished, CAOD would still be a deep pool of trolling suck. Belt piracy isnt what it used to be.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:28:00 - [192] A whole lot of words to explain what I knew when I got my first BoB killmail in JU-OWQ...they die just like everyone else. Wylker and Alice Cholmondeley are my fanclub. \0/
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:31:00 - [193] Originally by: Wigglytuff So when BoB finally die under the weight of half a dozen, or more, alliances, then what? Sure, there will be the CAOD-brigade coming in claiming how RA, GS, AAA, or whoever, are more powerful than BoB ever were, despite not beating them on their own, but even if 'BoB' is destroyed, you'll have some other incarnation of the same players resurface, and it'll likely happen when everyone else is fighting each other, or after everyone NAPs each other into a coma. Besides, the real shame of all of this is that even if BoB and goonswarm both vanished, CAOD would still be a deep pool of trolling suck. The same thing would happen to a potentially defeated BoB as has happened to every alliance ever defeated: a small number will quit the game outright, a slightly larger (but still small) number will stay in the alliance to carry on in name only, and the majority will scatter into the general player-base, joining new groups and taking up new causes. Anyone who thinks that BoB would possess the magical property of staying together as a coherent group despite (potentially) suffering a total defeat would be making a very bold claim: it's never happened before... It's got to be pointed out that it's unfair to make snide remarks about RSF not "defeating BoB on their own" (potentially), because BoB isn't on their own either. In fact, according to Joshua's map, it's currently 17 vs 14, with BoB's side fielding the 17 alliances. If anyone can be making the "they can't win without lots of friends claim", it could just as well be the Coalition. Not that anyone should be making that claim, because it's ******* ridiculous --------
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:32:00 - [194] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 D2 could have put aside their grudges Even after the G/ASCN war, you might have gotten help. EC-P8R sealed your fate. Wylker and Alice Cholmondeley are my fanclub. \0/
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:33:00 - [195] Originally by: CYVOK Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already. I don't think so, for only one reason: supercaps and especially titans. Before work drove me away from the game, IRON & Co was steamrolling Querious and FIX would have fallen if not for the remote doomsday stupidity, which CCP took monthes to fix, like always. I witnessed an entire fleet annihilated from a single remote doomsday and I can tell you pilots had to be very stubborn to continue playing such a lame game. As for the original post, I disagree with many points having fought BoB since the Great Northern War, but I won't go into the details, your posts are entertaining James, keep them coming ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Steel Rat Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:35:00 - [196] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 We would have if AXE had any backbone, or D2 could have put aside their grudges, but as it turned out, my good friend Steel Rat apparently had other plans. Excuse me? Axe had around 1400 members with less than a 1000 active at the time, ASCN 4000. Saying AXE had anything to do with the failure of ASCN to hold its own against BoB is plain stupidity. Before you go throwing stones, look at your own FCs and members who refused to fight. Your fleets were poorly managed and the infighting amongst your own FCs was nightly amusement for BoB and anyone else that listened. I had no other plans than tryin to keep Axe in Impass, but our own lack of members willing to engage and form gangs was all to evident as well when -A- entered the region. But don't you ever accuse Axe as being party to ASCN's failure. ASCN had 4 times the manpower, 10 times the resources and 100 times the isk of Axe at least. But you and your cronies mismanaged the whole shebang and I left ASCN for a reason, I was not about to get involved in the internal political clusterfornification of ASCN and the coddling of carebears you so greatly embraced. The constant cries of bob cheating and spying and everything else under the sun was in no way beneficial to ASCN. Did BoB play fair? I got no idea, because any supposed proof of any of the allegations you and yours claim to have, you refuse to show anyone. But I do find it interesting that the few times Axe FCs lead ASCN gangs, we either outright won or ended the day with reasonable kills/losses while ASCN gangs by themselves were losing 100s of BSs per day. So next time you want to get on your high horse about ASCN, just concentrate on ASCNs failures and leave Axe out of your version of history. Don't forget, you weren't around for most of it anyways.
Raznarok Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:40:00 - [197] Originally by: Steel Rat Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 We would have if AXE had any backbone, or D2 could have put aside their grudges, but as it turned out, my good friend Steel Rat apparently had other plans. Excuse me? Axe had around 1400 members with less than a 1000 active at the time, ASCN 4000. Saying AXE had anything to do with the failure of ASCN to hold its own against BoB is plain stupidity. Before you go throwing stones, look at your own FCs and members who refused to fight. Your fleets were poorly managed and the infighting amongst your own FCs was nightly amusement for BoB and anyone else that listened. I had no other plans than tryin to keep Axe in Impass, but our own lack of members willing to engage and form gangs was all to evident as well when -A- entered the region. But don't you ever accuse Axe as being party to ASCN's failure. ASCN had 4 times the manpower, 10 times the resources and 100 times the isk of Axe at least. But you and your cronies mismanaged the whole shebang and I left ASCN for a reason, I was not about to get involved in the internal political clusterfornification of ASCN and the coddling of carebears you so greatly embraced. The constant cries of bob cheating and spying and everything else under the sun was in no way beneficial to ASCN. Did BoB play fair? I got no idea, because any supposed proof of any of the allegations you and yours claim to have, you refuse to show anyone. But I do find it interesting that the few times Axe FCs lead ASCN gangs, we either outright won or ended the day with reasonable kills/losses while ASCN gangs by themselves were losing 100s of BSs per day. So next time you want to get on your high horse about ASCN, just concentrate on ASCNs failures and leave Axe out of your version of history. Don't forget, you weren't around for most of it anyways. QFT Should I order a neckbrace for you CYVOK?
Shiva Shakti Gallente Hi-Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:47:00 - [198] It is so nice in COAD that peeps take time like OP and CYVOK to share their thoughts with us, aside from the politics it is a good read on key times in history of EVE ...only time will tell how this all pans out but OP's post certainly helps to bring a bit of history to newer peeps (whether biased or not) and I'm sure BoB will return from their BBQ to replenish their blood lust for BBQ'ing eve... I look forward to reading parts II and III and any BoB post as well...its wats drives COAD ;) Visit the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange in game or out
Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:49:00 - [199] Eve politic. I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P
Raven DeBlade Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:49:00 - [200] Very good post, and so true! Good that someone finally gets it! And dont forget the other cough help cough they have gotten... "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"

Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:49:00 - [201] Where is Alice Cholmolonolly? I am disappointed that after so many pages, there isn't a decent rant from the queen of trolls Alt post OP, you need to try harder I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Nobues Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:56:00 - [202] Originally by: Patch86 It's got to be pointed out that it's unfair to make snide remarks about RSF not "defeating BoB on their own" (potentially), because BoB isn't on their own either. In fact, according to Joshua's map, it's currently 17 vs 14, with BoB's side fielding the 17 alliances. If anyone can be making the "they can't win without lots of friends claim", it could just as well be the Coalition. Not that anyone should be making that claim, because it's ******* ridiculous Jashua's Map can't be trusted, its mad by a BOB FANBOY! 1/2 of it is wrong information the other 1/2 is information that no one gives a crap a about. Webhosting & Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:59:00 - [203] Interesting read, however. This is not true. BOB aren't like any other alliance I'm afraid. When I was in Reikoku for 6 months EVERY single fleet fight we had we won. Outnumbered and outgunned we still won. The only fight we lost was 1 up in the nortyh when we accidently took a station. Nonetheless interesting read and view. Hybrid Syndicate are recruiting experienced pvpers. Channel HSY for info.
Nobues Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:01:00 - [204] Edited by: Nobues on 24/07/2007 00:04:22 Originally by: Shiva Shakti It is so nice in COAD that peeps take time like OP and CYVOK to share their thoughts with us, aside from the politics it is a good read on key times in history of EVE ...only time will tell how this all pans out but OP's post certainly helps to bring a bit of history to newer peeps (whether biased or not) and I'm sure BoB will return from their BBQ to replenish their blood lust for BBQ'ing eve... I look forward to reading parts II and III and any BoB post as well...its wats drives COAD ;) hey moron its CAOD learn.. can't you read? Originally by: Kaeten Interesting read, however. This is not true. BOB aren't like any other alliance I'm afraid. When I was in Reikoku for 6 months EVERY single fleet fight we had we won. Outnumbered and outgunned we still won. The only fight we lost was 1 up in the nortyh when we accidently took a station. Nonetheless interesting read and view. Bob pet much? The only reason they won most of them fleet fight wasn't because they where above other players on some kind of level, it was they have god knows how many complex buged that they got the look from them. Most of there ships where fitted with billions of isk worth of faction gear at times. How they don't have buged complex's, there invention marker and cut there income down to the point where there just like everyone else. Webhosting & Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:01:00 - [205] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Surprisingly not completely false... Propaganda that has no facts in it at all falls flat pretty quickly. Tbh, the OP isn't worth debating, too riden with bias, conjecture, and slanted opinion. Were it otherwise, I'd find it considerably more enjoyable to read. Hint to the OP, quoting John Adams doesn't automatically transpose your writing into the realm of facts and evidence. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:03:00 - [206] Originally by: CYVOK Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:06:00 - [207] The really interesting thing is, it's not the bob that camped t1 frigs and shuttles in syndicate with hacs and t2 snipers, and killed 3 small industrial poses. What we are fighting, and currently* beating is the same old LV / -V- / Bob pet players that have joined bob after their own alliances collapsed. Where is the "true" bob? Apart from a few forum superstars like fire 59 and Vina, and eve celebrities like farjung, most of our overviews are the same people we have fought and found to be wanting for a year now. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mind these new bob guys, they don't seem to know their stuff very well and give us kills, but as it stands the GBC is basically everyone we've ever beaten ganging up on us for another try
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:06:00 - [208] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 24/07/2007 00:06:57 Originally by: Patch86 In fact, according to Joshua's map, it's currently 17 vs 14, with BoB's side fielding the 17 alliances. If anyone can be making the "they can't win without lots of friends claim", it could just as well be the Coalition. Not that anyone should be making that claim, because it's ******* ridiculous Theres a slight problem though as the map only displays alliance at one point in the conflict, for a more accurate view as to who has the numerical advantage you need to include all alliances including the ones that already died or surrendered. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:06:00 - [209] Ooo. Sooo much laugh from this thread. Cyvok. I was reading your forums from june 2006. Main reason of you losing to bob - is you, you, as leader, being afraid of them. Like a chicken. Every your post about them - was like : "i don`t think that they ever attack us, we`ve been licking Molle's ass for such long time !". Second reason - wrong stake at LV. At the time you promised to defend titan in building, said that LV is trusted and stuff, Chowdown was happily chatting to dbp. And said, that they are NOT going to protect you from bob (despite your agreement, regarding "if someone attacks feith or tenerifis - LV + ASCN will fight this threat together"). As for thread subject, and first post - well, this is definitely success. Alt post in CAOD with 50% truth in it - is great To all, who screaming "omg, bob is losing". Let me remind you january - february of this year. Euphoria about : "d2 and northeners will smash bob in no time. If something will happen - we`ll help em". And april of 2007 : "omg, we are all are doomed". So, don`t cheer until job is done. Thats all.
Akov Stohs FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:09:00 - [210] Personally I think that the worst enemy of any one here is the servers. Makes even small gang fights not enjoyable. Maybe after Tuesday that will all change? my sig is too big

Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:10:00 - [211] Originally by: Kaeten Interesting read, however. This is not true. BOB aren't like any other alliance I'm afraid. When I was in Reikoku for 6 months EVERY single fleet fight we had we won. Outnumbered and outgunned we still won. The only fight we lost was 1 up in the nortyh when we accidently took a station. Nonetheless interesting read and view. Well I was in that fleet fight where we slaughtered RKK at the start of conflict. It's still a mystery as what kind of tactic you were doing ( my guess is the blind man jump with no scout tactic )...but just to refresh your memory, it was several months later when MC took the station. BOB were no where to be seen. I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:13:00 - [212] Originally by: fugazii The signs go back far far than what your writing about. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up. No need, I can kill that conjecture right here (but look it up otherwise if you really want to). BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. When BoB initially came down to Q, they were pretty much kicking our ass all over the place when we collided. BoB never took the step of putting up POS and going into an all out invasion to evict FIX, they came for the pew pew. I'll be honest, when they arrived, FIX was getting slammed 4 out of 5 engagements. The only reason we improved at that time was because we kept coming back for more, and we never quit... and that is also partly how we managed to earn their respect and friendship. If BoB had come to purposely evict FIX at that time in history, we would have been evicted. If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:14:00 - [213] Originally by: Evil Thug Ooo. Sooo much laugh from this thread....Thats all. :-) Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:15:00 - [214] I think BoB is mostly just hindered by their lack of Titans to lean on. They've been riding those giant lumps of brokeness for a long time. Regardless though, they've got plenty of conventional firepower and resources at their disposal. MC on the other hand, really hasn't been riding Titans as the "I win" solution. Sure, they've utilized them, but they seem to run just fine off the basic model of "I throw a ***load of capitals at you with tons of support". Now that they're not busy, they've got plenty of bandwidth for bringing the hurt to BoB's next target. So, interesting times continue at the mega-alliance level. I hope to experience as little of it as possible :)
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:17:00 - [215] Originally by: Mistress Suffering MC on the other hand, really hasn't been riding Titans as the "I win" solution. Sure, they've utilized them, but they seem to run just fine off the basic model of "I throw a *load of capitals at you with tons of support". Now that they're not busy, they've got plenty of bandwidth for bringing the hurt to BoB's next target. So, interesting times continue at the mega-alliance level. I hope to experience as little of it as possible :) Well, except that they have lost one of their best corps atm...some would say the** best part of MC, but yes they still VERY dangerous. I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:17:00 - [216] Originally by: Avernus BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. Prolly exception to the rule then. Originally by: Avernus We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. Times must have changed then. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:17:00 - [217] Originally by: Evil Thug Ooo. Sooo much laugh from this thread. Cyvok. I was reading your forums from june 2006. Main reason of you losing to bob - is you, you, as leader, being afraid of them. Like a chicken. Every your post about them - was like : "i don`t think that they ever attack us, we`ve been licking Molle's ass for such long time !". Second reason - wrong stake at LV. At the time you promised to defend titan in building, said that LV is trusted and stuff, Chowdown was happily chatting to dbp. And said, that they are NOT going to protect you from bob (despite your agreement, regarding "if someone attacks feith or tenerifis - LV + ASCN will fight this threat together"). As for thread subject, and first post - well, this is definitely success. Alt post in CAOD with 50% truth in it - is great To all, who screaming "omg, bob is losing". Let me remind you january - february of this year. Euphoria about : "d2 and northeners will smash bob in no time. If something will happen - we`ll help em". And april of 2007 : "omg, we are all are doomed". So, don`t cheer until job is done. Thats all. Oooooh... good post. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:19:00 - [218] Originally by: Virtuozzo Originally by: Avernus We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. Times must have changed then. Aka; we're not a good fight anymore? Many of our current foes seem to differ in opinion. (Yes, there are incidents of smack that do happen) There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:21:00 - [219] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Well, except that they have lost one of their best corps atm... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:22:00 - [220] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 24/07/2007 00:06:57 Originally by: Patch86 In fact, according to Joshua's map, it's currently 17 vs 14, with BoB's side fielding the 17 alliances. If anyone can be making the "they can't win without lots of friends claim", it could just as well be the Coalition. Not that anyone should be making that claim, because it's ******* ridiculous Theres a slight problem though as the map only displays alliance at one point in the conflict, for a more accurate view as to who has the numerical advantage you need to include all alliances including the ones that already died or surrendered. True enough I suppose. But like I said, all discussions along that kind of line are ridiculous. For a start, not all alliances are equal. BoB itself is worth 10 Xelas's, and as much as I liked my dear old FLA, no-one would have claimed they were equal to Red Alliance. Fact is, it's not and never was a 1-vs-anything. This conflict is and always has been two incomparable and ever changing power blocs squaring off. --------

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:26:00 - [221] Originally by: Evil Thug Ooo. Sooo much laugh from this thread. Cyvok. I was reading your forums from june 2006. Main reason of you losing to bob - is you, you, as leader, being afraid of them. Like a chicken. Every your post about them - was like : "i don`t think that they ever attack us, we`ve been licking Molle's ass for such long time !". Second reason - wrong stake at LV. At the time you promised to defend titan in building, said that LV is trusted and stuff, Chowdown was happily chatting to dbp. And said, that they are NOT going to protect you from bob (despite your agreement, regarding "if someone attacks feith or tenerifis - LV + ASCN will fight this threat together"). As for thread subject, and first post - well, this is definitely success. Alt post in CAOD with 50% truth in it - is great To all, who screaming "omg, bob is losing". Let me remind you january - february of this year. Euphoria about : "d2 and northeners will smash bob in no time. If something will happen - we`ll help em". And april of 2007 : "omg, we are all are doomed". So, don`t cheer until job is done. Thats all. Listen to the man.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:27:00 - [222] Originally by: Evil Thug To all, who screaming "omg, bob is losing". Let me remind you january - february of this year. Euphoria about : "d2 and northeners will smash bob in no time. If something will happen - we`ll help em". And april of 2007 : "omg, we are all are doomed". So, don`t cheer until job is done. Thats all. TBFH you sir have made my forum day. This part I have quoted is what everyone needs to read and burn into their brain. Can I have your autograph ET? Thank you again for making me not want my time back from reading this page. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:34:00 - [223] Originally by: Wigglytuff So when BoB finally die under the weight of half a dozen, or more, alliances, then what? Sure, there will be the CAOD-brigade coming in claiming how RA, GS, AAA, or whoever, are more powerful than BoB ever were, despite not beating them on their own, but even if 'BoB' is destroyed, you'll have some other incarnation of the same players resurface, and it'll likely happen when everyone else is fighting each other, or after everyone NAPs each other into a coma. Besides, the real shame of all of this is that even if BoB and goonswarm both vanished, CAOD would still be a deep pool of trolling suck. Can you explain what exactly "not beating them on their own" means? If BoB beats RSF, they won't have done it "on their own". MC didn't beat the north "on their own" and they freely admit it. When did beating an alliance 1v1 become the new standard in which said alliance is measured? War is as much about politics as much as it is about the actual fighting, I don't think you quite grasp that. There's no less satisfaction or "honor" in beating someone as a group than an individual, especially in a game like this that promotes teamwork and cooperation. -----------------
Devian 666 Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:45:00 - [224] Funny how the shafting of the ANZACs was left out. Give them a crappy region so they end up leaving ASCN (good way to lose members and lots of australian/NZ pvpers). Then set them to red with BoB trying to recruit them. ASCN's leadership was a complete disaster and contributed significantly to it's ultimate collapse. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:47:00 - [225] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: fugazii The signs go back far far than what your writing about. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up. No need, I can kill that conjecture right here (but look it up otherwise if you really want to). BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. When BoB initially came down to Q, they were pretty much kicking our ass all over the place when we collided. BoB never took the step of putting up POS and going into an all out invasion to evict FIX, they came for the pew pew. I'll be honest, when they arrived, FIX was getting slammed 4 out of 5 engagements. The only reason we improved at that time was because we kept coming back for more, and we never quit... and that is also partly how we managed to earn their respect and friendship. If BoB had come to purposely evict FIX at that time in history, we would have been evicted. If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. If BOB is serious about one thing, its their ultimate goal. That goal means no permanent allies, and that alone is enough to realise youre about to get betrayed some day. -YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:54:00 - [226] Originally by: mama guru Originally by: Avernus Originally by: fugazii The signs go back far far than what your writing about. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up. No need, I can kill that conjecture right here (but look it up otherwise if you really want to). BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. When BoB initially came down to Q, they were pretty much kicking our ass all over the place when we collided. BoB never took the step of putting up POS and going into an all out invasion to evict FIX, they came for the pew pew. I'll be honest, when they arrived, FIX was getting slammed 4 out of 5 engagements. The only reason we improved at that time was because we kept coming back for more, and we never quit... and that is also partly how we managed to earn their respect and friendship. If BoB had come to purposely evict FIX at that time in history, we would have been evicted. If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. If BOB is serious about one thing, its their ultimate goal. That goal means no permanent allies, and that alone is enough to realise youre about to get betrayed some day. Ok, let's look at it from a pessimistic viewpoint then and do the numbers? Some day can basically be at any time, so all we really have to base things upon are track records from the past. Let's look at the current track record. 1 year since CODA - 0 incidents. Well as track records go, that beats all past agreements FIX had in the past with other alliances that dropped them when it was convienient... seems like perhaps it may last a little while longer, no? Tell ya what, you will have my full understanding when the day comes and you get to shout 'TOLD YA SO!' on the forums. I won't even complain one bit; you can quote me on that. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:55:00 - [227] Originally by: mama guru That goal means no permanent allies, and that alone is enough to realise youre about to get betrayed some day. Technically theyll need pets to hold onto the universe, or become, really, really big. Putting that aside however why does everyone keep saying that one day there'll be a doom like standing reset? I'm sure there'll be a standing reset one day but it just provides more pew pew, which is hardly bad. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:01:00 - [228] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: mama guru That goal means no permanent allies, and that alone is enough to realise youre about to get betrayed some day. Technically theyll need pets to hold onto the universe, or become, really, really big. Putting that aside however why does everyone keep saying that one day there'll be a doom like standing reset? I'm sure there'll be a standing reset one day but it just provides more pew pew, which is hardly bad. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. Litteraly. i mean just look what they did to Shinra -YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Stockarian eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:03:00 - [229] bob will lose in the end. To the OP, nice post. You're about half spot on. Originally by: Avernus Tell ya what, you will have my full understanding when the day comes and you get to shout 'TOLD YA SO!' on the forums. I won't even complain one bit; you can quote me on that.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:05:00 - [230] Love the quote. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.

sov68n Caldari The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:18:00 - [231] im actually gonna laugh if BoB insta-rapes the coalitions. however i severly doubt that will happen. The Diabolic Abstraction
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:54:00 - [232] Originally by: James 315 Some say Virtuozzo was a plant. They are probably right, in one sense or another. I see what you did there.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:59:00 - [233] VIRTUOZZO = DBPREACHER BURN THE WITCH. - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
With JudgeReinhold Gallente Legal Team	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:01:00 - [234] Don't forget BoB's recent recruitment policy of bringing in everyone whose alliance has failed. LV remnants, Mitch, Princess Aricia, I am looking at all of you. Quote: If I had the inclination to type out the examples of teamwork and brotherhood displayed by Evolutions members and our brothers in BOB during the last 48 hours I would, but to be honest, none of
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:27:00 - [235] Originally by: sov68n im actually gonna laugh if BoB insta-rapes the coalitions. however i severly doubt that will happen. yeah I think the opportunity for insta-rapes expired somewhere in januaryish
Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:30:00 - [236] A++ would read again MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Astro Teller Milf Riders	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:34:00 - [237] I loled ----Astro Teller
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:46:00 - [238] I didn't think you would James, but oh well. We both know how this conflict will end. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Fade to Black Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:50:00 - [239] Originally by: Serenity Steele Just so I understand the facts, an you please point out how this graph does in fact, show BoB is losing? Sorry for pointing out a little detail but what your graph shows that bob has sov over significantly less systems than 30 days ago and the number of systems BOB has is shrinking.. You know, that part at the end where its going down.. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Zeros Omega Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 02:52:00 - [240] Originally by: Seleene I am proud to admit that James 315 is my alt. Now Seleene, don't lie! We all know that James 315 is Cyvok (returned from his titan grave)! --- History is written on the sands of Arrakis. A chapter has ended, swept away by the whirlwind. One door has closed, but another has opened. And on the other side... our future...

Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.07.24 03:02:00 - [241] Edited by: Minigin on 24/07/2007 03:02:10 Originally by: Exortius Amarrus I didn't think you would James, but oh well. We both know how this conflict will end. why dont you tell the rest of us then? MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 03:03:00 - [242] Originally by: Serenity Steele Just so I understand the facts, an you please point out how this graph does in fact, show BoB is losing? As much as many wish to see the end of BoB, the evidence states otherwise. POS spamming to hold sovereignty and controlling that space are two very different things. It takes time to grind through all those large towers, especially as BOB keep spamming more hoping the ennemy gets tired of playing the POS game. Once again, isk is what keeps BOB alive. Unfortunately for BOB, RSF is adapting and starting to like the POS game, especially when there are haulers filled with fuel inside them and hangars filled with ships. Thanks you lazy BOB logistic guys.
Flaming Lemming Caldari Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2007.07.24 03:14:00 - [243] Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: James 315 Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. -- John Adams, defense attorney for the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre; second U.S. President Just so I understand the facts, an you please point out how this graph does in fact, show BoB is losing? As much as many wish to see the end of BoB, the evidence states otherwise. lets compare that to this graph. No such thing as bad press!
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 03:20:00 - [244] Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 24/07/2007 03:02:10 Originally by: Exortius Amarrus I didn't think you would James, but oh well. We both know how this conflict will end. why dont you tell the rest of us then? Cessna crashes into the server, duh
BobFromMarketing Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 03:39:00 - [245] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 24/07/2007 03:02:10 Originally by: Exortius Amarrus I didn't think you would James, but oh well. We both know how this conflict will end. why dont you tell the rest of us then? Cessna crashes into the server, duh Is a kennedy flying it?
Celot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 04:29:00 - [246] tl;dr
fugazii Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:07:00 - [247] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: fugazii The signs go back far far than what your writing about. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up. No need, I can kill that conjecture right here (but look it up otherwise if you really want to). BoB didn't kill FIX because they liked FIX. We provided something that is relatively rare in Eve, a good fight, no smack, respect shown in both directions. When BoB initially came down to Q, they were pretty much kicking our ass all over the place when we collided. BoB never took the step of putting up POS and going into an all out invasion to evict FIX, they came for the pew pew. I'll be honest, when they arrived, FIX was getting slammed 4 out of 5 engagements. The only reason we improved at that time was because we kept coming back for more, and we never quit... and that is also partly how we managed to earn their respect and friendship. If BoB had come to purposely evict FIX at that time in history, we would have been evicted. If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. Well im not going to argue a long term member of someone involved, however i do have to say this. If bob's goal is to own all of 0.0, and theyre beating you 80% of the time, then abruptly stop the invasion. Is it just me or is something missing here? If you were being beaten that badly why stop? If they wanted just pvp fun(which they have said otherwise), then why stop and nap? especially as youve said you kept coming back and back, getting better everytime, this is something bob has always said they wanted...a good opponent. It all doesnt add up, im not saying your lying...but if what you say is true it systematically proves everything sir molle has said wrong.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:26:00 - [248] Originally by: NATMav A whole lot of words to explain what I knew when I got my first BoB killmail in JU-OWQ...they die just like everyone else. you hit the nail on the head there Yaarrr!
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:26:00 - [249] Originally by: BobFromMarketing Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 24/07/2007 03:02:10 Originally by: Exortius Amarrus I didn't think you would James, but oh well. We both know how this conflict will end. why dont you tell the rest of us then? Cessna crashes into the server, duh Is a kennedy flying it? that was a piper you stooge. It was a german kid
DLS Angry Amarr AB INITO	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:33:00 - [250] Well written and self-logical texts are quite a rare thing now. That is why i read them with pleasure, no matter if it is pro-someone or anti-someone. At least it is more interesting than usual "u suck...no u suck...you mum sucks more than mine and your hamster is suckers champion" CAOD posts Pods have personality. Personality goes a long way.

doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.24 06:09:00 - [251] Originally by: CYVOK We would have if AXE had any backbone, or D2 could have put aside their grudges, but as it turned out, my good friend Steel Rat apparently had other plans. So wait... now it's our fault? You're pathetic. Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 06:21:00 - [252] ex-lv and ex-ascn shouting match, start... NOW
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:03:00 - [253] What is RSF?
Dash43 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:04:00 - [254] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 At the time when BoB attacked ASCN, it is true that I was almost never online, thanks to RL commitments in the US Air Force. However, I never countermanded the orders to attack Bob in Fountain. The problem was that no one would join ASCN to fight and we did not have enough core PvPers to mount a real steady 2 front war against BoB on our own. We would have if AXE had any backbone, or D2 could have put aside their grudges, but as it turned out, my good friend Steel Rat apparently had other plans. Tbh I'm gobsmacked at the above statement ....ASCN problems to mount any resistence where compounded with the lack of will to fight by all the isk mongering carebears that filled your alliance. To start blameing AXE for your demise shows a complete disrespect for the ppl that in my opinion where the backbone of ASCN's pvp ability long before Steel made the decision to part company. By your own admission you where not online enough to grasp any concept of what was happening with-in your own alliance....to start shifting blame onto others shows that infact you are not the leader that so many thought you where sir . As for the original statement at the beginning of this thread.....meh whatever /Dash
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:07:00 - [255] Edited by: Stahlregen on 24/07/2007 07:06:53 Originally by: Smith What is RSF? The guys that are kicking your ass ^________________________________^
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:15:00 - [256] Well this is good O RLY? - Kreul
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:15:00 - [257] James, It's an inspired post, and anyone who's calling you out on OMGDRAMABOMB is forgetting how BOB-dominated these forums have been in the past. Even so, I don't think it's fair to crow over BOB "not winning" as a defeat. That's roughly equivalent to...oh wait, I'm not allowed to make real-world analogies, am I? Well, suppose that there was a very powerful superpower that suffered a regional setback on a large scale. Does that mean they're entirely insolvent and unable to hurt anyone? No... Until the anti-BOB people find themselves in NOL, none of this matters. But that's the ending that has already been written for you. All you have to do is show up and kill Goliath.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:16:00 - [258] Originally by: Smith What is RSF? Redswarm federation ( ra goonies and the rest ) GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Hastrabull Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:26:00 - [259] I am sorry that i will kill your wishes (and all goon wishes and flames here) but i think, only reason why we have no forward movements of bob is because of the new sovereignity system. according to eve maps, everyone is focused on creating capitals currently. the same goes to BOB.
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:29:00 - [260] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 Good read and almost 100% accurate. Just a couple corrections. At the time when BoB attacked ASCN, it is true that I was almost never online, thanks to RL commitments in the US Air Force. However, I never countermanded the orders to attack Bob in Fountain. The problem was that no one would join ASCN to fight and we did not have enough core PvPers to mount a real steady 2 front war against BoB on our own. We would have if AXE had any backbone, or D2 could have put aside their grudges, but as it turned out, my good friend Steel Rat apparently had other plans. I knew I should have taken those Crayons away from him! Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already. But as you stated, they are expert at image engineering and convinced everyone that BoB would win and destroy them all if they joined forces with ASCN. Oddly enough, no one joined the fight alongside ASCN and they all (but one) were destroyed anyway... None-the-less, very good post, well thought out and relatively accurate with my knowledge of the timeline and events. -CYVOK- PS. I would also be careful not to count BoB out just yet, history will show that as soon as you determine you have won, you have already lost. Had you not logofski'd in the titan then ASCN might not have had a crushing destruction of its moral. Had you been an effective leader your second and third in commands would have had the kowledge and remit to be able to fight the war on your behalf. Had you any foresight you would have seen that the alliance was too "industry" heavy (i.e. the place where most of eve went for a few months to rat and mine when they were poor) and went about a vigourous pvp player recruitment drive. When DDC left they took away 50% of your pvp force, and to not replace that was a staggering error.

Saldio GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:56:00 - [261] It's me I'm the goon in the OP
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.24 07:57:00 - [262] So, if BoB splits up, who gets the 400 tech 2 bpo's? Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:00:00 - [263] Originally by: Evil Thug Ooo. Sooo much laugh from this thread. Cyvok. I was reading your forums from june 2006. Main reason of you losing to bob - is you, you, as leader, being afraid of them. Like a chicken. Every your post about them - was like : "i don`t think that they ever attack us, we`ve been licking Molle's ass for such long time !". Second reason - wrong stake at LV. At the time you promised to defend titan in building, said that LV is trusted and stuff, Chowdown was happily chatting to dbp. And said, that they are NOT going to protect you from bob (despite your agreement, regarding "if someone attacks feith or tenerifis - LV + ASCN will fight this threat together"). As for thread subject, and first post - well, this is definitely success. Alt post in CAOD with 50% truth in it - is great To all, who screaming "omg, bob is losing". Let me remind you january - february of this year. Euphoria about : "d2 and northeners will smash bob in no time. If something will happen - we`ll help em". And april of 2007 : "omg, we are all are doomed". So, don`t cheer until job is done. Thats all. Listen to this man. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:09:00 - [264] Originally by: Hastrabull I am sorry that i will kill your wishes (and all goon wishes and flames here) but i think, only reason why we have no forward movements of bob is because of the new sovereignity system. according to eve maps, everyone is focused on creating capitals currently. the same goes to BOB. Well, that sovereignty stuff all pretty much happens automatically. And from looking at the new system a bit closer, I don't think capitals will really protect anyone except when they are in exactly the same timezone as their enemy. Making capital systems is nice, but if your enemy drops a 250 man fleet on your capital system at 3 AM in the morning your time, that cynojammer won't do much and you'll still wake up to the sound of dread guns pounding your stationservices into the ground when the invasion starts. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:35:00 - [265] Was an interesting read but abit too much biased. First off I struggle to believe ASCN was winning in the beginning of the war. They might had some momentum there for a while but winning is the wrong term to describe it as. Blaming AXE for ASCN failure is abit harsh aswell because they were under attack by a better opponent at the time. Faced against an enemy that is better than you it is hard to divert your forces to help your friends in trouble. If you can't help yourself you can't help others either. As for BOB fighting for the challenge I am abit split there. They are unlike most alliances on the offence alot which they should have credit for. Alot of alliances just sit there and wait for the enemy to come while they are trying to get rich. Bob are looking for a challenge on the political landscape but on the battlefield I've seen the opposite. On the battlefield they must have loads of advantages before they attack. Ths is from celes POV so it might be different from others. Don't think I've ever been in a fleet fight against them unless they outnumbered us or had other great advantages. But this is where you defeat bob, on the battlefield. They get upset when they lose fights(it happens to most of us at some time) but seem to take it particular hard. Just look at the tantrum dbp precher went on when celes/toxin took out and equally sized fleet with few losses. dbp remineded me of some of bobs enemies, crying foulplay, cheat and dishonour. Take em on the battlefield and you are closer to defeating them as an alliance. Celestial Apocalypse Recruitment
Andrei Vassaliev Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:43:00 - [266] Originally by: Smith What is RSF? Reporters Sans FrontiFres, andouille.
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:46:00 - [267] james fantastic read mate and true to the letter. you forgot to mention the "northern road trip" few years back when they tried to conquer the north, and got kicked out by a non isolated enemy
ACHURA CALDARIAN Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:54:00 - [268] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Anope Originally by: Juha85 Is bob losing? Why cant I see them losing on the influence map? :o If you use influence map to tell you whose winning... you got problems... Sphere of influence doesn't mean jack **** (no offence, I <3 it aswell and check it everyday) ------ pretty sure it means alot. Do you see D2 on that map? Do you see aftermath falling apart? Do you see Razor reclaiming space? the current conflict in Omist? i advice you fly to tenal to see if RZR is reclaiming space or not ? WE ARE THE GRANDSONS OF A THUNDERMAKER NATION
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:56:00 - [269] It is in fact a quite good reading, despite the original opinion of "another CAOD alt poster".
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:59:00 - [270] Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Sun Ra Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:03:00 - [271] Difference between BoB and RA is that RA guys play for RL money so their sisters wont have to be sold as sex slaves while BoB play for fun and pride, as for Goons they are just a meat shield for RA isk for cash business ATUF RIP - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Lube Myholes Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:06:00 - [272] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 There are no goons dbp fixed it for you
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:19:00 - [273] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 24/07/2007 09:21:04 Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Had you not logofski'd in the titan then ASCN might not have had a crushing destruction of its moral. Errr it was a normal logoff that people do when they stop playing, it was not a logoffski as it was not under any pressure or hostile fire at the time. Anyway, as to the OP, a lot of this seems fairly accurate from my recollections and is an interesting read, if a bit biased (but then what post isn't). Edited out the rest for the sake of the forums :) .
Straife Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:22:00 - [274] I think that someone forgot to mention the fact that before they decided to take on 9-9 and southern Tenerifis they attacked KOS in C3-OYD. It was an interesting fight as KOS had just moved into the region soon before that and had barely finished setting up. With some capital support from RA/GOON/AAA (a good sized support fleet as well, but KOS fed the doomsdays for the most part while letting the friendly capitals pop off BoB dreads. In the end C3-OYD is now seeing the final BoB towers being removed as the battle of Omist rages on. Back to the point BoB tried to pick on a weaker "lone" alliance but were forced to fight the rest due to the much respected support given to KOS.
Sabariel	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:24:00 - [275] Originally by: Lube Myholes Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 There are no goons dbp fixed it for you Was not funny the first time you w**k.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:26:00 - [276] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Please tell us more about fictional CAOD rubbish. I hear you have personal experience. There are no goons. Corpses in space. -dbp
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:26:00 - [277] That actually was a good read, dispite being so long... cant you cut to the chase a bit faster. Once apon a time i thought you were a Goon alt. Now i think your an ex bob spy from ASCN which is now in goons. :) _______________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:28:00 - [278] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Please tell us more about fictional CAOD rubbish. I hear you have personal experience. There are no goons. Corpses in space. -dbp aww poor gs, still crying into their cornflakes and idolising my char. I love you too guys, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:34:00 - [279] Originally by: DB Preacher aww poor gs, still crying into their cornflakes and idolising my char. I love you too guys, dbp Yes, they are obviously "crying into their cornflakes" because you are, you know, totally evicting them from their stations at this very moment, right? Remove them from 0.0 space and everything. Correct? They are getting their asses hammered any time now, aren't they? Thats why they cry into their cornflakes, yes? God, seriously, the alts were doing a better job than you.
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:38:00 - [280] Holy time machine batman. Reading this is like looking at myself in some crazy past-mirror. It was a fun read. Biased, but like Shin Ra said, had these strong grains of truth in surprising places. Bring #2 soon, plz ---- All you do is bark, you never meow

Gramtar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:47:00 - [281] Credit where it's due, Rev 2 changed a lot for us. I was very skeptical of the POS changes, but I think CCP achieved a good balance (though they still need to reduce the locking time of manned modules, and I think they plan to). Having "enjoyed" the endless gate camping (much of it in vain) while cap ships sieged -V- POS's last fall, it's refreshing to be able to take down a deathstar with just support ships. Goon presence on fleet ops is much better now you can actually accomplish something in a non-cap ship beyond hoping the enemy decides to engage. BoB hasn't been bringing the numbers I saw back in Syndicate days. Exactly why, I don't know and honestly don't care. One thing I know from experience, it's nearly impossible to win fighting a defensive POS war. If you can't take down the enemy's towers (and I can't remember the last time we lost one), you'll never hold a system they want. BoB seems well back on their heels now. Maybe it's just a lull and their freighters are still busy running npc goods to Curse. Maybe it isn't. Either way, every month that goes by is another Goon in a T2 Hurricane, Recon, Battleship, or capital. With our great friends, I have confidence we will prevail in the south.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:48:00 - [282] The ironic part with this thread is that it says "BoB Delusion" when it really can delusion their enemies as much. Goons and RA are successful in defending their space that is for sure but attacking bob is another ball game. You can't say bob is losing if either factions gain any ground. So hold abit on the victory celebrations until you reach furter than the space you used to claim. Celestial Apocalypse Recruitment
Bacci Galu Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:59:00 - [283] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already. "either they where to proud and could not swallow there ego for five minutes and look at the end result or they had no spine imo." Probably going to get in trouble for this, but for all those that know me well iam always in trouble for this kinda krap. Maker of thy sigs: [email protected]
Leika Sinn Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:14:00 - [284] What many of you fail to realize is that BoB like to attack, not defend. If BoB are forced on the defensive, then many of their gung-ho trigger happy pilots will be stuck on firewatch, gate camps and POS duty. Logistics will have to kick into full gear to prep any and all inactive POS that need to be onlined, active POS that need to be reinforced, and stront timers that need to be adjusted. Carebearing will be required to gather ice and stront for jumping Capitals and moving fleets, not to mention doing alarmclock ops to save POS coming out of reinforced. Defending claimed space sucks. It sucks balls. And if your space is huge and 3x the size of other people's space, it sucks balls EVEN MORE. Sovreignity and POS warfare turns alliance warfare into a chessgame. The sucky part is that POS's are the King, Queen, Rook, Knight, and Bishop, while everybody else is just a pawn. Nobody likes being a chesspiece, especially just a pawn. It doesn't matter how deep you are dug into the trenches. If people have to fight for POS and Sovereignty, they will hate it. If you make them do it enough, they will hate playing EVE. Then they will stop logging in, and the Fuel will run out. The POS will lapse, and the dominoes will fall. We've already witnessed great alliances sink faster than a oceanliner made of lead. In all cases, the strength of sovereignty and amount of outposts literally meant nothing. It took almost a month for the first LV outpost to fall. Once it did, everything else fell within days. I doubt Rev 2.0 will have changed this, but we will all have to just wait and see.
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:25:00 - [285] imo KOS will take over the 0.0 universe and you will all bow down --------------------------------------------------------------
Slipofthetongue	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:31:00 - [286] Ok I never said KOS was gonna take over everything. Just pointing out to those people that say BoB chose to fight the hard fight that they got thrown into it by chosing the "easy" road.
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:32:00 - [287] well they are, so get ready! --------------------------------------------------------------
Le Bon Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:40:00 - [288] Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 20:26:48 The only bad part of this was the fact that BoB really didn't "win" in Syndicate either. We fought them with T1 frigs until they got tired of losing HACs to kill a few ships worth less than their ammo, left and called it a victory. This is just more evidence showing how propaganda is the only thing they've mastered, and these days not even that's working out for them. A true victory would've meant that Goonswarm was truly dead. And guess what, we're not. Tick Tock, Ding Dong and Scooby Dooby Doo, Molly. I was going to avoid posting in this thread purely for the fact its pure properganda. Granded the op had some facts but also alot of bent truths too stroke his own groups epeen and give them the moral they need. Back onto topic, the quote from above. You all moved to empire and a group of your boys left, i'd call that a victory tbfh. No more posts for today tbh, pure flame bait. = Ninja Smack Alt
Leika Sinn Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:43:00 - [289] Edited by: Leika Sinn on 24/07/2007 10:43:38 Originally by: Psilocin Tick Tock, Ding Dong and Scooby Dooby Doo, Molly. That quote deserves its own thread, TBQFH.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:56:00 - [290] Here is my two cents... /me drops two cents on this thread. X E R C O R E Private Military Corporation Public Relations Channel: XERCORE Contact: [email protected]

Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:58:00 - [291] Originally by: Le Bon Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 20:26:48 The only bad part of this was the fact that BoB really didn't "win" in Syndicate either. We fought them with T1 frigs until they got tired of losing HACs to kill a few ships worth less than their ammo, left and called it a victory. This is just more evidence showing how propaganda is the only thing they've mastered, and these days not even that's working out for them. A true victory would've meant that Goonswarm was truly dead. And guess what, we're not. Tick Tock, Ding Dong and Scooby Dooby Doo, Molly. I was going to avoid posting in this thread purely for the fact its pure properganda. Granded the op had some facts but also alot of bent truths too stroke his own groups epeen and give them the moral they need. Back onto topic, the quote from above. You all moved to empire and a group of your boys left, i'd call that a victory tbfh. No more posts for today tbh, pure flame bait. Goonswarm didn't leave Syndicate until about two months after you "evicted them" no matter how many times you keep saying otherwise.
Dawn Razor Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:02:00 - [292] Always a delight to read your posts James. Looking forward to part II and III :)
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:07:00 - [293] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Orangir Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Please tell us more about fictional CAOD rubbish. I hear you have personal experience. There are no goons. Corpses in space. -dbp aww poor gs, still crying into their cornflakes and idolising my char. I love you too guys, dbp Maybe you should petition him for writing like that.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:15:00 - [294] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Orangir Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Please tell us more about fictional CAOD rubbish. I hear you have personal experience. There are no goons. Corpses in space. -dbp aww poor gs, still crying into their cornflakes and idolising my char. I love you too guys, dbp don't forget to report those posts to the mods for impersonating you bahaha
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:15:00 - [295] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 fictional rubbish. much like your posting also, remember when you where nom inated f o r best fictional write r
dodo dedere kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:16:00 - [296] Edited by: dodo dedere on 24/07/2007 11:19:12 Edited by: dodo dedere on 24/07/2007 11:18:12 Edited by: dodo dedere on 24/07/2007 11:17:44 Quote: ASCN didn't have too many friends in other alliances, though. Even when ASCN was losing stations, it sent its fleet to help AXE against -AAA-, but AXE never returned the favor because it was too afraid of BoB. Fittingly, AXE is now a BoB pet. I got to this point before I didn't agree with something the OP said. AXE did return the favour, I know, I was in AXE and I lost more ships to BoB than I did AAA. The start of your post is a lot more measured than the end. However AXE was insufficaint help. That being said, you are largely correct in the gist of your post. For example: I remember BOB members stating that they went after ASCN because they though ASCN presented the largest challenge. Thats either a lie, or they truly were mistaken. ASCN in no way presented a challenge to BOB, I didnt realise this then, I do now. Dodo
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:17:00 - [297] posting in a dbp thread -dpb
Xtreem Gallente Scientific Creative Underworld Mafia	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:21:00 - [298] i enjoyed the read :)
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:32:00 - [299] Hey dbp, It looks like to me everyone thinks you're a douchebag. -dbp
Tom Gunn Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:36:00 - [300] Objectivity aside, its quite well written, though probably a few thousand words too long for the average attention span of DAOC readers...

Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:36:00 - [301] Edited by: Desiderata Fabian on 24/07/2007 12:04:34 http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374274 Hahahahaha... Originally by: DigitalCommunist ...what you're fighting against is nothing short of omnipotence itself.
Sabariel	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:38:00 - [302] Posting with an unidentified character in this forum is prohibited, if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:41:00 - [303] snip Off topic - hutch Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:44:00 - [304] snip Off topic and trolling - hutch
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:56:00 - [305] snip Off topic - hutch Anyhow, back to the OP. I think everyone takes this guy far too seriously. His threads are a good laugh; I'm not sure even he is taking himself seriously --------
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.07.24 12:14:00 - [306] Quote: Posted - 2006.08.09 13:55:00 Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/08/2006 13:55:47 "Your conclusions are worse than the goonswarms pvp capabilities. And they are terrible. dbp" And BoB loosing now makes you .... ?
Tiggus Maximus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 12:37:00 - [307] Originally by: Le Bon I was going to avoid posting in this thread purely for the fact its pure properganda. Granded the op had some facts but also alot of bent truths too stroke his own groups epeen and give them the moral they need. Back onto topic, the quote from above. You all moved to empire and a group of your boys left, i'd call that a victory tbfh. No more posts for today tbh, pure flame bait. You probably should have avoided posting then...We never "moved to empire", in fact we were still in Syndicate after the almighty 3 week BoB invasion. A couple months later we moved to the South. The whole BoB Syndicate invasion was pretty much a joke with goons ratting 1-2 systems away from S-U until you guys got bored and left. I guess this would be a good example of BoB propaganda after all.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 12:54:00 - [308] Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Edited by: Desiderata Fabian on 24/07/2007 12:04:34 http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374274 Hahahahaha... Originally by: DigitalCommunist ...what you're fighting against is nothing short of omnipotence itself. I just reread that thread a bit, and frankly, I can only come to one conclusion. If you look where Eve has gone from the days that thread was written, Goons have already won. Read the posts by Kryztal, Jade Constantine, about the deference to the 'Eve community' and BoB's place in it. Imagine anyone writing those same posts in a thread today. People would roll off their chairs laughing about the delusions of grandeur expressed there. The talking down to Goons as noobs who don't know what they have gotten themselves into, the mythical status of the 'Eve community', where has it all gone? What happened to it? Well, what happened is exactly what one Goon in that very thread said:"Don't take this the wrong way, but the majority of us don't want to be a part of the "old school Eve community." From comparing that thread for example to the exchanges we've seen in the past 9 months, I am pretty sure the only conclusion can be that 'the old Eve community' is dead. For better or for worse maybe, but dead it is. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:02:00 - [309] Originally by: Tiggus Maximus Originally by: Le Bon I was going to avoid posting in this thread purely for the fact its pure properganda. Granded the op had some facts but also alot of bent truths too stroke his own groups epeen and give them the moral they need. Back onto topic, the quote from above. You all moved to empire and a group of your boys left, i'd call that a victory tbfh. No more posts for today tbh, pure flame bait. You probably should have avoided posting then...We never "moved to empire", in fact we were still in Syndicate after the almighty 3 week BoB invasion. A couple months later we moved to the South. The whole BoB Syndicate invasion was pretty much a joke with goons ratting 1-2 systems away from S-U until you guys got bored and left. I guess this would be a good example of BoB propaganda after all. That's certainly an interesting, ahem, spin on the whole incident. I recall killing you lot in that whole area and you refused to fight/ stayed docked/ didn't log in/ ran to empire. You talked a lot of smack and got called on it and when it came down to it, the bang was a squeak. There was fights for a little while but you guys seemed to get deeply affected by the whole incident, still shows in some of your posting. Can almost visualise the eyes welling up and lip trembling Your tired and deluded propoganda is only fooling the blind. GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:07:00 - [310] Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, what happened is exactly what one Goon in that very thread said:"Don't take this the wrong way, but the majority of us don't want to be a part of the "old school Eve community." From comparing that thread for example to the exchanges we've seen in the past 9 months, I am pretty sure the only conclusion can be that 'the old Eve community' is dead. For better or for worse maybe, but dead it is. Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Tempest Kane Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:08:00 - [311] Take your propaganda and smoke it. You think you have won something due to taking a few systems on your front door? lol. BOB win battle after battle, night after night, month after month and nothing is said of the victory. You win for a few nights, take a few systems and all of a suddern its top of the news and theirs esays about it. Words mean nothing. We will see what happens. I have no doubt in my mind who the victor will be in the end. Oh and Red, i know your wallets starting to hurt, with all that isk selling and the lack of making it and bug plex's to keep you going.. gota be hurting.
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:10:00 - [312] Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp I agree with you. For me BoB are exactly the reason you describe.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:12:00 - [313] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, what happened is exactly what one Goon in that very thread said:"Don't take this the wrong way, but the majority of us don't want to be a part of the "old school Eve community." From comparing that thread for example to the exchanges we've seen in the past 9 months, I am pretty sure the only conclusion can be that 'the old Eve community' is dead. For better or for worse maybe, but dead it is. Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp Well, always different ways to look at events. One could look at the French Revolution from many different angles. On the one hand, there was the civilisation of the old French aristocrats being demolished, and replaced by unwashed peasants in rags. And there were the mass-beheadings, also an ugly thing. But eventually, what rose from the ashes of that era was the overthrow of all the old aristocracies and the establishment of civil society which pretty much survives to this day. From the perspective of an old aristocrat, I can imagine the miserable feeling as you set sail for England with the angry revolutionaries brandishing weapons chasing you out. But there are other perspectives as well. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:15:00 - [314] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, what happened is exactly what one Goon in that very thread said:"Don't take this the wrong way, but the majority of us don't want to be a part of the "old school Eve community." From comparing that thread for example to the exchanges we've seen in the past 9 months, I am pretty sure the only conclusion can be that 'the old Eve community' is dead. For better or for worse maybe, but dead it is. Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp ASCN got more of what you are talking about from BoB members then I can see anyone else getting from goons. If this is why old timers are leaving, you guys created this kind of environment. I would look at your own history first.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:16:00 - [315] Originally by: DB Preacher The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums Umm, this I don't understand. Reread the referenced thread. There was a lot of pomposity (sp?) but nothing lighthearted. In fact, I would call it demeaning and at times vicious. Goons were peeing in your sandbox and you hated them for it. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:17:00 - [316] Originally by: Tempest Kane Take your propaganda and smoke it. You think you have won something due to taking a few systems on your front door? lol. BOB win battle after battle, night after night, month after month and nothing is said of the victory. You win for a few nights, take a few systems and all of a suddern its top of the news and theirs esays about it. Words mean nothing. We will see what happens. I have no doubt in my mind who the victor will be in the end. Oh and Red, i know your wallets starting to hurt, with all that isk selling and the lack of making it and bug plex's to keep you going.. gota be hurting. Wow, talk about a bob fan boy...
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:18:00 - [317] Originally by: Kozak ASCN got more of what you are talking about from BoB members then I can see anyone else getting from goons. If this is why old timers are leaving, you guys created this kind of environment. I would look at your own history first. It's funny how ascn are always quoted in terms like this but the simple facts are that it was the other way around. While BoB focused on ingame, inchar forum manipulation, ASCN focused on oog, ooc forum attacks. I can give you masses of examples if you like but peeps have a certain mindset of how things happened and you'll either believe me or spend time looking for single forum posts on the contrary. Either way, it doesn't really matter who started it. Fact is, it is what it is and I never said it was good or bad, simply different. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:19:00 - [318] Originally by: Kozak Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, what happened is exactly what one Goon in that very thread said:"Don't take this the wrong way, but the majority of us don't want to be a part of the "old school Eve community." From comparing that thread for example to the exchanges we've seen in the past 9 months, I am pretty sure the only conclusion can be that 'the old Eve community' is dead. For better or for worse maybe, but dead it is. Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp ASCN got more of what you are talking about from BoB members then I can see anyone else getting from goons. If this is why old timers are leaving, you guys created this kind of environment. I would look at your own history first. A lot of people are responsible (I could write blame, but I am still not sure whether the changes are a good or a bad thing overall), I would not just put it squarely on BoB. Though like I said in the past, their unethical actions certainly contributed to it in a major way. You can't smear people, use spies, spy on TS, abuse trust and not expect someone to try and bite you in the face one day, which is exactly what has happened. But BoB were not the only one. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:20:00 - [319] Edited by: The Beatnuts on 24/07/2007 13:22:16 Originally by: Tempest Kane Oh and Red, i know your wallets starting to hurt, with all that isk selling and the lack of making it and bug plex's to keep you going.. gota be hurting. Why have you left BOB - I would have liked you to come tell it in front of me. Try to fit into your new good alliance's reputation and stop attacking with words what you didn't manage to defeat. Malachon, you speak the truth my friend. Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:20:00 - [320] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: DB Preacher The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums Umm, this I don't understand. Reread the referenced thread. There was a lot of pomposity (sp?) but nothing lighthearted. In fact, I would call it demeaning and at times vicious. Goons were peeing in your sandbox and you hated them for it. I was talking in general about what you said not referencing that specific thread. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:20:00 - [321] Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:22:00 - [322] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Tiggus Maximus Originally by: Le Bon I was going to avoid posting in this thread purely for the fact its pure properganda. Granded the op had some facts but also alot of bent truths too stroke his own groups epeen and give them the moral they need. Back onto topic, the quote from above. You all moved to empire and a group of your boys left, i'd call that a victory tbfh. No more posts for today tbh, pure flame bait. You probably should have avoided posting then...We never "moved to empire", in fact we were still in Syndicate after the almighty 3 week BoB invasion. A couple months later we moved to the South. The whole BoB Syndicate invasion was pretty much a joke with goons ratting 1-2 systems away from S-U until you guys got bored and left. I guess this would be a good example of BoB propaganda after all. That's certainly an interesting, ahem, spin on the whole incident. I recall killing you lot in that whole area and you refused to fight/ stayed docked/ didn't log in/ ran to empire. You talked a lot of smack and got called on it and when it came down to it, the bang was a squeak. There was fights for a little while but you guys seemed to get deeply affected by the whole incident, still shows in some of your posting. Can almost visualise the eyes welling up and lip trembling Your tired and deluded propoganda is only fooling the blind. Goonswarm did not leave Syndicate until a couple of months after you "evicted them". This is not spin or deluded propaganda, this is calling you on your bull****. Speaking of tears welling up and lips quivering, I remember a little incident involving you in U4- where after you whined about not being able to undock from the station there, you began to threaten people with physical violence in real life by way of your mixed martial arts prowess. The little illusion you try to persist on these forums that you are not one of the biggest smacktards in the game is laughable for people who have actually witnessed your affronts to the English language.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:24:00 - [323] Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level Don't worry kid, only the "old timers" around will understand the post so I wouldn't waste time trying to decipher it ;) Just laugh and mock it as normal. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:24:00 - [324] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Kozak ASCN got more of what you are talking about from BoB members then I can see anyone else getting from goons. If this is why old timers are leaving, you guys created this kind of environment. I would look at your own history first. It's funny how ascn are always quoted in terms like this but the simple facts are that it was the other way around. While BoB focused on ingame, inchar forum manipulation, ASCN focused on oog, ooc forum attacks. I can give you masses of examples if you like but peeps have a certain mindset of how things happened and you'll either believe me or spend time looking for single forum posts on the contrary. Either way, it doesn't really matter who started it. Fact is, it is what it is and I never said it was good or bad, simply different. dbp You ****ed people off with forum spying, and personal attacks on Cyvok. I know Cyvok did the same (Bob basement dwellers and all that), but he did it on private forums, just like Goons are probably doing on their SA forums. You dragged it out in the open, and it went downhill from there. Just go back over the timeline, it went downhill from the moment you pulled Cyvok's internal speeches out on Eve-O and used it to smear him back. Had that not happened, I am willing to bet that it would not nearly have gotten as bad as it did. Not that I would claim innocence here, though ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:24:00 - [325] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Kozak ASCN got more of what you are talking about from BoB members then I can see anyone else getting from goons. If this is why old timers are leaving, you guys created this kind of environment. I would look at your own history first. It's funny how ascn are always quoted in terms like this but the simple facts are that it was the other way around. While BoB focused on ingame, inchar forum manipulation, ASCN focused on oog, ooc forum attacks. guys guys we're just roleplaying we actually respect all of you m i rite
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:25:00 - [326] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Kozak ASCN got more of what you are talking about from BoB members then I can see anyone else getting from goons. If this is why old timers are leaving, you guys created this kind of environment. I would look at your own history first. It's funny how ascn are always quoted in terms like this but the simple facts are that it was the other way around. While BoB focused on ingame, inchar forum manipulation, ASCN focused on oog, ooc forum attacks. I can give you masses of examples if you like but peeps have a certain mindset of how things happened and you'll either believe me or spend time looking for single forum posts on the contrary. Either way, it doesn't really matter who started it. Fact is, it is what it is and I never said it was good or bad, simply different. dbp We had bob members logging in to our TS every day. As every member you can think of. Our FC's were always primary. You guys were posting our internal forums on the EVE-O forum all the time. If that is not oog stuff, then what is? And the chest beating on the forums you guys did is why most of the player base turned against you. This is what the goons are doing, but they have not ****ed off as much of the playerbase as you guys have. I never saw as big of an exodus of old timers as after the BOB/ASCN war.
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:27:00 - [327] It's funny how ascn are always quoted in terms like this but the simple facts are that it was the other way around. Untrue While BoB focused on ingame, inchar forum manipulation, ASCN focused on oog, ooc forum attacks. untrue, a BoB CEO even stated that any means possible were warranted to destroy BoB's enemies. This included TS spying and misinformation sessions I can give you masses of examples if you like but peeps have a certain mindset of how things happened and you'll either believe me or spend time looking for single forum posts on the contrary. Which prove you are not correct. Either way, it doesn't really matter who started it. Because we all know it was BoB, only BoB and pets believe it is not so. Fact is, it is what it is and I never said it was good or bad, simply different. Yet, you are known for OOG attacks and manipulation, have admitted to it and now try to deny that. GJ.
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:27:00 - [328] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level Don't worry kid, only the "old timers" around will understand the post so I wouldn't waste time trying to decipher it ;) Just laugh and mock it as normal. dbp oh snap why didnt i think of your superior creation date
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:31:00 - [329] Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 13:31:49 Originally by: Malachon Draco You **ed people off with forum spying, and personal attacks on Cyvok. I know Cyvok did the same (Bob basement dwellers and all that), but he did it on private forums, just like Goons are probably doing on their SA forums. You dragged it out in the open, and it went downhill from there. Just go back over the timeline, it went downhill from the moment you pulled Cyvok's internal speeches out on Eve-O and used it to smear him back. Had that not happened, I am willing to bet that it would not nearly have gotten as bad as it did. Not that I would claim innocence here, though We never attacked the real life player behind cyvok. We attacked the character Cyvok and the speeches he made as the character Cyvok. That's the fine line we have always tried to maintain and some people understand that but I can see how some people will misinterpret it as simple oog abuse. It is indeed a fine line. I would personally see stuff like posting rl pictures of cyvok, emailing him at work, abusing rl relationships etc etc as oog. As in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. (that relates to kozak's and s4mp3r0r's posts as well as malachons). But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto**
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:33:00 - [330] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level Don't worry kid, only the "old timers" around will understand the post so I wouldn't waste time trying to decipher it ;) Just laugh and mock it as normal. dbp Yeh old timers will get it all right, not playing the game only logging in to wage fleet battles and set skills, forcing your way of playing the game down everyones throats and if they don't cry foul over it if they don't play your way. Yeh we sure are going to miss the 'old guard' of Eve. Forgive me if i don't shed a tear. Man you really do eat your own bull**** don't you DBP. Forgive me, for not showing proper respect to you good kind sir. -DBP

Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:35:00 - [331] Originally by: James 315 ASCN was also completely infiltrated by spies, to the point that BoB members shouted over the ASCN TeamSpeak and drowned out the commander. Meanwhile, ASCN had exactly zero spies in BoB--only a few people who had friends in BoB. This is probably the biggest reason why I dislike BoB. This kind of metagaming and social engineering has got to stop. Unfortunately, because there are no IRL consequences this will continue without pause. -------------------
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:40:00 - [332] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 13:31:49 Originally by: Malachon Draco You ****ed people off with forum spying, and personal attacks on Cyvok. I know Cyvok did the same (Bob basement dwellers and all that), but he did it on private forums, just like Goons are probably doing on their SA forums. You dragged it out in the open, and it went downhill from there. Just go back over the timeline, it went downhill from the moment you pulled Cyvok's internal speeches out on Eve-O and used it to smear him back. Had that not happened, I am willing to bet that it would not nearly have gotten as bad as it did. Not that I would claim innocence here, though We never attacked the real life player behind cyvok. We attacked the character Cyvok and the speeches he made as the character Cyvok. That's the fine line we have always tried to maintain and some people understand that but I can see how some people will misinterpret it as simple oog abuse. It is indeed a fine line. I would personally see stuff like posting rl pictures of cyvok, emailing him at work, abusing rl relationships etc etc as oog. As in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. (that relates to kozak's and s4mp3r0r's posts as well as malachons). But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way in my opinion. Yes, certain, probably most aspects of gameplay in Eve don't carry over to the real world. A guy who is a crap PvPer in Eve could still be an expert soldier. And I don't think Molles megalomaniac tendencies in Eve carry over to him being a budding tyrant in RL. But questioning a guy's integrity, sanity and ability to lead is an insult that carries over, unless the guy is trying to play an idiot. You could question whether it was appropriate for Cyvok to make those kinds of speeches on the ASCN forums. You might have a point there that that went over the line. But that doesn't IMO change the fact that it really started to spiral out of control only after it all went public when you put it on Eve-O. Had you ignored the internal speeches and dismissed them as 'propaganda' we don't have to deal with, it might not have gotten this ugly. Like I said, I don't think BoB is the sole party responsible for the way the forums (and to some extent the game) went, ASCN members, Cyvok, others, probably even myself have contributed to it as well. But if I had to point at what I consider to be (in hindsight) the point of no return, the posting of those chatlogs and accompanying smears on Eve-O would be high on the list. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:43:00 - [333] Edited by: Will Hunter on 24/07/2007 13:43:51 Edited by: Will Hunter on 24/07/2007 13:43:36 this is quoted from the 'where did goonswarm go wrong'' thread Originally by: DigitalCommunist I'd be lying if I said hitting Reply didn't make me tight in the pants, Jasmine. But the above person who I shall politely refer to as a "witless cretin" is a perfect example of what I meant. You can't win the forums, and if you tried, I'm sure it would involve a lot more effort than one alt threatening me with "Goons will laugh at you!". Like, duuuuuude? They already laugh at me. But you know what would make me feel really bad is if all 12000 of those words turned out to be COMPLETELY WRONG. I feel relieved there is no threat of that happening now ^^ we made Digi feel bad
Dagam GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:48:00 - [334] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 13:31:49 Originally by: Malachon Draco You **ed people off with forum spying, and personal attacks on Cyvok. I know Cyvok did the same (Bob basement dwellers and all that), but he did it on private forums, just like Goons are probably doing on their SA forums. You dragged it out in the open, and it went downhill from there. Just go back over the timeline, it went downhill from the moment you pulled Cyvok's internal speeches out on Eve-O and used it to smear him back. Had that not happened, I am willing to bet that it would not nearly have gotten as bad as it did. Not that I would claim innocence here, though We never attacked the real life player behind cyvok. We attacked the character Cyvok and the speeches he made as the character Cyvok. That's the fine line we have always tried to maintain and some people understand that but I can see how some people will misinterpret it as simple oog abuse. It is indeed a fine line. I would personally see stuff like posting rl pictures of cyvok, emailing him at work, abusing rl relationships etc etc as oog. As in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. (that relates to kozak's and s4mp3r0r's posts as well as malachons). But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp Really? Is this your new party line because about a year ago we were seeing quite the opposite. Originally by:** Blacklight We'll reign in the forum behaviour once tempers have calmed be sure of it but right now 90% of BoB would have a very hard job not leveling those idiots in real life if we met them. Originally by: DB Preacher GoonSwarm is an alliance. It is an alliance led by one of the biggest ****s in Eve. This is a man who thinks he is ** reincarnated. Until he somehow ended up in charge of GoonSwarm he was a failure at eve. You know the type, the ones who can't quit figure out why he keeps dying in low sec but still goes back everyday to get ganked again without looking at local. ... It began with us camping S-U, the heart of their alliance. We did this for a month. In that time we owned them completely. We removed the ingame pos, we removed them from their ingame ships and we removed thier ingame will to play. They mocked us saying none of it mattered, yet they still continued to get owned. Their alliance is a joke, there is no leadership, there is no teamwork. There is nothing but a bunch of idiots playing eve solo while asslicking a ****. The lucky ones are those who have seen through the facade and have moved onto other corps. They might have a future in eve. Those who remain will be griefed, harrassed, killed, mocked and abused until the servers go down. They will never be allowed to build up in any sector of 0.0 space and whose alliance will be slaughtered whenever we feel like it. Goons in space? No, Corpses in space. Coming Soon - something else when we do more stuff dbp
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:48:00 - [335] Originally by: Malachon Draco But questioning a guy's integrity, sanity and ability to lead is an insult that carries over, unless the guy is trying to play an idiot. Do you fail to see the difference or do you choose to ignore the difference between questioning the character Cyvok about comments made on an alliance forum about the role an alliance plays in the game and someone calling us people who live in mommy's basement playing games for a living or someone posting rl pics of our members with inflammatory comments on them? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:50:00 - [336] Originally by: Dagam Really? Is this your new party line because about a year ago we were seeing quite the opposite. We are talking about these forums dude, not rkk forums, not bob forums, not shc, not sa. Keep up ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:56:00 - [337] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level Don't worry kid, only the "old timers" around will understand the post so I wouldn't waste time trying to decipher it ;) Just laugh and mock it as normal. dbp Im an old timer and I have no idea wtf you are talking about my dear kessie pilot. Fact is DBP that you post reminds me of some bully in the schoolyards who beats up the younger kids while saying aint we having fun? That is until the younger kids gets back up and knock you on you ass. And then all of a surden its not fun anymore. BoB and goons are two very simulary communities and both got no problems using dirty tricks. The two factions are a mirror of eachother and thats proberly why they hate eachother so much. Sometimes when you truly look in the mirror is not that pleasent to see. Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:05:00 - [338] Edited by: Malachon Draco on 24/07/2007 14:06:07 Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Malachon Draco But questioning a guy's integrity, sanity and ability to lead is an insult that carries over, unless the guy is trying to play an idiot. Do you fail to see the difference or do you choose to ignore the difference between questioning the character Cyvok about comments made on an alliance forum about the role an alliance plays in the game and someone calling us people who live in mommy's basement playing games for a living or someone posting rl pics of our members with inflammatory comments on them? dbp Well, the RL pictures is a different issue, and I would agree that is another step further. But the other two are practically the same, only one is direct (Cyvok at you), the other is indirect (you at Cyvok). Let's analyze it for a minute: - Cyvok directly said nasty things about you in RL. Personally I would not have taken them seriously at all, since they are obviously false. The 'living in your parents basements' stuff. Its a stereotype. Its like me calling all Scots to be stingy and drunk. An insult about a computergamer to be living in his parents basement is as stereotypical as that. - Now compare that to what you said about Cyvok. Sure you referred to his ingame persona, but in this case the attributes or charactertraits you referred to, are much less those of his character, as they are of himself in RL. Everyone here I think can imagine a guy liking to fool around in a game and act like a megalomaniac, or a vicious pirate. Those are qualities that are intrinsical to playing the game, or playing a role. But the stuff you said about Cyvok were about character traits where there is no ingame reason to behave in the way you claimed Cyvok did (like being a pirate or megalomaniac). Nor were they qualities that he choose to play in the way you described them. (If you say a clown is acting like an idiot, that different from saying a policeman is acting like an idiot). Cyvok was not trying to roleplay an inept leader, it was not something that is part of the game to exhibit those traits, therefore insulting him on those aspects is in fact an attack on his RL persona. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Mei Han Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:05:00 - [339] Nice writing there. Some historic facts i didn't knew and stuff. But realy, proving that BOB is not invinsible means nothing. Still there might be no alliance or coalition that can beat them even if there are ways to accoplish that. In time we will see. Lets hope that if they are going to go down, to go fighting and loosing fighting. Internal affairs sux as a reason for disbanding an alliance.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:10:00 - [340] well hate to tell you Lunas but you are completely and fully out of touch then. Then general attitude of veteran eve players is that the game isn't worth playing any more and that the constant game mechanic changes and social nature of the game have destroyed the importance of anything but a blob or a capship fleet. Most threads on 3rd party forums constantly speak of returning eve to the good ole days and how that the community as a whole has been destroyed. Take a look at scrap heap challenge some day and you will see a 31 page thread started just cause DS said he is getting bored. That thread turned into old V new, and brought up major issues within the game along with the direction of the game. I think DBP is right to a degree that a large number of veteran pilots are becoming more and more jaded as each patch is released and each war is fought. It becomes more important to be flying a capital ship and less important to be flying a HAC. Yes they have mods outside a POS shield so that a blob of 100 battleships is required to knock it into reinforced and they have introduced anti-spam meassures but this doesn't change. gah sorry to go off on a wall of text. And draco BOB didn't ruin CAOD, ** posting and extreme moderation on certain aspects while mantaining extreme unmoderation on other aspects has, don't even try and kid you self, CAOD was when bob was posting and was ** while bob wasn't posting. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.

Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:13:00 - [341] dbp took the short space bus to space school look at me, attacking his ingame character
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:16:00 - [342] Originally by: Torshin Then general attitude of veteran eve players is that the game isn't worth playing any more and that the constant game mechanic changes and social nature of the game have destroyed the importance of anything but a blob or a capship fleet. there's a joke here about socially inept nerds (like dbp's ingame character) but i can't be arsed to find it
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:18:00 - [343] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Malachon Draco Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp Lol - 0 yeah - . . . Hmm - personal attacks, Posting OOG and out of context external forum Post extracts, Mass spamming of threads, Huge propaganda threads . . . .seems to me that BoB were the ones who INVENTED all of those tactics. Their pure vitriol and "We can shout loudest so we are coolest" aproach to the forums I found to be quite frankly disgusting during the ASCN war. Was only when things started going poorly for them that they were muzzled.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:20:00 - [344] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level Don't worry kid, only the "old timers" around will understand the post so I wouldn't waste time trying to decipher it ;) Just laugh and mock it as normal. dbp Another old timer here. You and your alliance are what started this downward spiral. It wasn't enough to have spies relay real time information, you needed to inflitrate TS and disrupt fleet coms. You needed to drag out internal forum posts and recorded TS conversations. You are the ones who crossed the line, and others had to retaliate, until the situation reached what it is today. It is the arrogant, win at any cost attitude that you and your alliance has in spades. You say people hate you because they are jealous or because you are winners. Fact is, people hate you because you are **s. And now when you are confronted by even bigger **s in the form of GS do you start complaining about the state of the forums. -------------------
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:21:00 - [345] Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, the RL pictures is a different issue, and I would agree that is another step further. But the other two are practically the same, only one is direct (Cyvok at you), the other is indirect (you at Cyvok). Let's analyze it for a minute: - Cyvok directly said nasty things about you in RL. Personally I would not have taken them seriously at all, since they are obviously false. The 'living in your parents basements' stuff. Its a stereotype. Its like me calling all Scots to be stingy and drunk. An insult about a computergamer to be living in his parents basement is as stereotypical as that. - Now compare that to what you said about Cyvok. Sure you referred to his ingame persona, but in this case the attributes or charactertraits you referred to, are much less those of his character, as they are of himself in RL. Everyone here I think can imagine a guy liking to fool around in a game and act like a megalomaniac, or a vicious pirate. Those are qualities that are intrinsical to playing the game, or playing a role. But the stuff you said about Cyvok were about character traits where there is no ingame reason to behave in the way you claimed Cyvok did (like being a pirate or megalomaniac). Nor were they qualities that he choose to play in the way you described them. (If you say a clown is acting like an idiot, that different from saying a policeman is acting like an idiot). Cyvok was not trying to roleplay an inept leader, it was not something that is part of the game to exhibit those traits, therefore insulting him on those aspects is in fact an attack on his RL persona. Like I said earlier, semantics. Some peeps see the line for what it is and others are happy enough to discard it or ignore it if it backs up their opinions. Unfortunately, it's getting obvious that you are doing your usual and simply arguing for the sake of arguing and looking for some conclusions which backs up the opposite opinion to mine. If you honestly believe that someone saying Cyvok is posting falsehoods about eve on an eve forum from another eve forum is the same as abusing someone directly in real life by calling them anything completely unrelated to eve is the same thing then I'm afraid this isn't a conversation I have any interest in continuing because we simply have different povs of which there is no common ground. So I'll bow out and leave you to it, enjoy, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Cmdr Sp0ck Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:23:00 - [346] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level Don't worry kid, only the "old timers" around will understand the post so I wouldn't waste time trying to decipher it ;) Just laugh and mock it as normal. dbp Im an old timer and I have no idea wtf you are talking about my dear kessie pilot. Fact is DBP that you post reminds me of some bully in the schoolyards who beats up the younger kids while saying aint we having fun? That is until the younger kids gets back up and knock you on you ass. And then all of a surden its not fun anymore. BoB and goons are two very simulary communities and both got no problems using dirty tricks. The two factions are a mirror of eachother and thats proberly why they hate eachother so much. Sometimes when you truly look in the mirror is not that pleasent to see. Luny you old git, you just cant resist can you?
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:23:00 - [347] Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp Leaving aside semantics about in-game and out-of-game taunts, the reasons the community degraded so much is because a lot of players lost the respect they had for fellow players. And I blame all the meta-gaming crap for it. When you kill a Titan by using a very borderline tactic, then gloat about it and taunt D2, for what was in essence a very, very minor mistake (logging off in a pos, without aggro timer when the pilot took the decision to log off), when you use a titan and freighters daily to run bugged trade routes, you can't expect others to just cheer you. All they see is arrogance, and a willingness to do anything that will get you any advantage. So half the community lost it's respect toward Bob (and, by extension, your allies that come in droves to defend whatever action of yours is the cause of it), the other half answer in kind to what they consider as whining, and because of that, the roleplayed hostility between players on each side of the fence become real. You are the cause of it, Bob. You aren't the only factor, of course, but you are by far the bigger and most influencial one, with your thrice-be-damned "anything to win" mentality. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Barwinius Ars ex Discordia	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:23:00 - [348] ItÆs the ôold timersö to blame if any such degradation has occurred in the EVE community. Practice what you preach.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:25:00 - [349] Originally by: DB Preacher Like I said earlier, semantics. Some peeps see the line for what it is and others are happy enough to discard it or ignore it if it backs up their opinions. Unfortunately, it's getting obvious that you are doing your usual and simply arguing for the sake of arguing and looking for some conclusions which backs up the opposite opinion to mine. If you honestly believe that someone saying Cyvok is posting falsehoods about eve on an eve forum from another eve forum is the same as abusing someone directly in real life by calling them anything completely unrelated to eve is the same thing then I'm afraid this isn't a conversation I have any interest in continuing because we simply have different povs of which there is no common ground. So I'll bow out and leave you to it, enjoy, dbp Actually, I kinda like debating you Now if ALL you did was "saying Cyvok is posting falsehoods about eve on an eve forum from another eve forum" then I would agree with you, that would be completely ingame. But I think you did more than that. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:27:00 - [350] Originally by: Shadowsword When you kill a Titan by using a very borderline tactic, then gloat about it and taunt D2, for what was in essence a very, very minor mistake (logging off in a pos, without aggro timer when the pilot took the decision to log off), when you use a titan and freighters daily to run bugged trade routes, you can't expect others to just cheer you. All they see is arrogance, and a willingness to do anything that will get you any advantage. Except we didn't. This is part of the problem in that alot of the times people presume something that hasn't actually happened. We weren't even posting on eve-o at the time iirc. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:30:00 - [351] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Shadowsword When you kill a Titan by using a very borderline tactic, then gloat about it and taunt D2, for what was in essence a very, very minor mistake (logging off in a pos, without aggro timer when the pilot took the decision to log off), when you use a titan and freighters daily to run bugged trade routes, you can't expect others to just cheer you. All they see is arrogance, and a willingness to do anything that will get you any advantage. Except we didn't. This is part of the problem in that alot of the times people presume something that hasn't actually happened. We weren't even posting on eve-o at the time iirc. dbp If that's the case and the general consensus about you is something which is not true, then you really lost the propaganda game, haven't you ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:32:00 - [352] Originally by: Lee Bian dbp took the short space bus to space school look at me, attacking his ingame character Originally by: Lee Bian there's a joke here about socially inept nerds (like dbp's ingame character) but i can't be arsed to find it These are amusing comments to look at also as they highlight another large problem of the forums (ignore the alliance or the poster and look at the comments). Alot of the time, people will simply jump in with a 1 line "funny" in order to detract from conversation or simply abuse the opposition. Everyone does it and it isn't only one side. However, the change in tone of these "funnies" have altered massively over the last couple of years from being tongue in cheek to actual plain abuse and even on the odd occasion that people try and make it ingame they actually fail miserably (as is the case here). It would be interesting to see what would have happened to Jade's, Halseths, Hardin's, Morkt Drakt's etc etc commentary on the game had the forums been in a similar mess back then. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:32:00 - [353] If Band of Brothers ever fell apart, I wouldn't be suprised to hear them denying anyone victory. They're the masters of denial and self-delusion. Whenever goons get the pleasure to talk to a BOB member in local, our funny bones are tickled by their lack of knowledge over the situation. It appears that BOB members are only kept informed of good developements. As for Goons, we're just having tremendous fun, and the war hasn't stopped goons from being goons in the slightest. That's the only thing that matters to me.
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:38:00 - [354] BOB would not give anyone the satisfaction of killing them. If BOB start to feel to much pressure and fighting moves to Delve, i predict the CEOs would sort out alliance wealth and distribute it amongst the corps, then some form of internal disagreement would be acted out/faked within high command, and BOB would collapse. Propaganda portraying the image that BOB killed its self because it was too powerful. Blah Blah Blah,
Zombak Caldari Shooshpunk	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:44:00 - [355] In my opinion there is something highly suspicious about male players using female avatars in online games. It also can be source of all those negative comments as male personality clashes with female image producing cognitive dissonance in the brain of most posters. This is EvE releated English Signature: Hacking-Archeology- eXtreme-Yet-Usual
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:45:00 - [356] Originally by: Shadowsword Leaving aside semantics about in-game and out-of-game taunts, the reasons the community degraded so much is because a lot of players lost the respect they had for fellow players. And I blame all the meta-gaming crap for it. When you kill a Titan by using a very borderline tactic, then gloat about it and taunt D2, for what was in essence a very, very minor mistake (logging off in a pos, without aggro timer when the pilot took the decision to log off), when you use a titan and freighters daily to run bugged trade routes, you can't expect others to just cheer you. All they see is arrogance, and a willingness to do anything that will get you any advantage. So half the community lost it's respect toward Bob (and, by extension, your allies that come in droves to defend whatever action of yours is the cause of it), the other half answer in kind to what they consider as whining, and because of that, the roleplayed hostility between players on each side of the fence become real. You are the cause of it, Bob. You aren't the only factor, of course, but you are by far the bigger and most influencial one, with your thrice-be-damned "anything to win" mentality. I dont mind wild accusations flying around but please try to research your statements abit before posting walls of text. Im not flaming you but both statements with regards to bobs tactic are wrong. D2 lost their titan because their pilot logged with aggro. A mistake which is done daily by many pilots and usually results in ships getting destroyed, regardless of size. Not to mention that at that point of time it was the only possible way to kill a titan something which got acknowledged by ccp and fixed in the coming patches. It was not bob running traderoutes with their titan and freighters, as far as im aware it was a traderun from fountain to venal used by D2. Something which is not shady at all. The traderoutes are there and they made use of the ships in game to run them properly. Note, its an alliance hostile to bob and i dont see an "borderline" tactic in it. Its like the old carrier route to curse which some northerners ran printing billions a week. As far as the community degrading goes, i find myself agreeing with Dbp. Ive made similar posts awhile back which were met with the usual fofofo spam. Something which indicates coad is broken. The respect you speak of is not just gone between "half of the community" and bob. But between the majority of all players.
Heilongjiang YASA.	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:46:00 - [357] You just have to ask yourself the question, Had BoB not existed over the last 2 years,would COAD have degenerated into its current state? If you can honestly answer that to yourself,you'll have your answer right there. As a side point and IMHO from reading BoB posting over the years they seem to forget,like it or not being at the very edge of the Endgame they set precedents to many other players and Alliances. Some things they do admittedly are positive,although their manipulations of the EvE community I think went to far,and those kinds of points,once gone beyond can't be erased. Perhaps some of the older veterans are now getting a taste of the boredom and frustrations that the newer players feel,when we have to swim in the crap they create on a daily basis?
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:51:00 - [358] Originally by: fugazii The signs go back far far than what your writing about. In fact it goes back to bob's coming out party the GNW. The whole concept of what bob is built on is completely contradicted by this war. If the intension of bob is to own all of 0.0, yet they left 5 'conquered' regions of space because they are "bored", that reasoning just makes no sence. The fact of it is, they were being beaten...badly. They never removed PA from Venal and G was playing ping pong with BKG, Fade and Deklein already under thier controll, when BOB decided they were bored. This is when BoBs forums skills emerged and it was sucessfully spun into them being bored, and that there was noone to fight. Next came FA, this was a long war, even with period basis being fully taken for them by allies which later became the5. After this war, something happened. Something that has been rewrittin and almost forgoten about...FIX. The FIX war saw BoB fight someone 1v1 for the first time. The war lasted in a complete stalemate for a decently long time. After a few months and with nothing to show, people began to talk..why cant the end all pvp alliance beat a CFS t2? So BoB did what they did in the north and give up, however this wasnt what was said on the forums. The forum warriors spun it as they are letting FIX live, and that they are worthy to keep thier space and be allies. Look it up. You had much better spin years ago. I'm disappointed :(. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama
Divus Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:53:00 - [359] Edited by: Divus on 24/07/2007 14:54:08 sure this is playing into one sides hands an all that - but dude props for the affort u've put into this - good post edit: can#t wait to read part II and III -------------------------------------------------
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:56:00 - [360] Come back after 6 months away, and people are still arguing the same old things. ASCN died 8 months it doesn't matter who said what. At the time I was embarassed at some of the stuff coming from both sides. Neither can claim to be innocent when it came to bringing up OOG stuff.

TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:57:00 - [361] Haha, amusing post. Originally by: Shadowsword Leaving aside semantics about in-game and out-of-game taunts, the reasons the community degraded so much is because a lot of players lost the respect they had for fellow players. And I blame all the meta-gaming crap for it. When you kill a Titan by using a very borderline tactic, then gloat about it and taunt D2, for what was in essence a very, very minor mistake (logging off in a pos, without aggro timer when the pilot took the decision to log off), when you use a titan and freighters daily to run bugged trade routes, you can't expect others to just cheer you. All they see is arrogance, and a willingness to do anything that will get you any advantage. So half the community lost it's respect toward Bob (and, by extension, your allies that come in droves to defend whatever action of yours is the cause of it), the other half answer in kind to what they consider as whining, and because of that, the roleplayed hostility between players on each side of the fence become real. You are the cause of it, Bob. You aren't the only factor, of course, but you are by far the bigger and most influencial one, with your thrice-be-damned "anything to win" mentality. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and all that. Infiltration is part of the game and its true that it can be considered unfair by some people. EVE isn't a fair game by nature. If you believe BoB is the root of all evil and you hate us, I feel sorry for you. Remember that your side has used infiltration to offline POS from other alliances and there are numerous other situations where it was used. There are limits. Exploits are bad, we don't use it to play the game. The whole t20 scandal and the fallout of it sucked, was very disappointed of the actions of a person in our alliance. You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:00:00 - [362] Edited by: Malachon Draco on 24/07/2007 15:01:01 Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. And how do you know this? Did a Dev tell you on MSN? And before you get angry, I am just going further on your own comment about 'People in glass houses and all' . ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:00:00 - [363] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp Leaving aside semantics about in-game and out-of-game taunts, the reasons the community degraded so much is because a lot of players lost the respect they had for fellow players. And I blame all the meta-gaming crap for it. When you kill a Titan by using a very borderline tactic, then gloat about it and taunt D2, for what was in essence a very, very minor mistake (logging off in a pos, without aggro timer when the pilot took the decision to log off), when you use a titan and freighters daily to run bugged trade routes, you can't expect others to just cheer you. All they see is arrogance, and a willingness to do anything that will get you any advantage. So half the community lost it's respect toward Bob (and, by extension, your allies that come in droves to defend whatever action of yours is the cause of it), the other half answer in kind to what they consider as whining, and because of that, the roleplayed hostility between players on each side of the fence become real. You are the cause of it, Bob. You aren't the only factor, of course, but you are by far the bigger and most influencial one, with your thrice-be-damned "anything to win" mentality. do you deny the meta-gaming of every other alliance in the game? or just feel that BOB takes it to another level because they triggered an agro timer? Is it best they have had the most success? ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:01:00 - [364] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. And how do you know this? Did a Dev tell you on MSN? great come back that was quite creative, how bout you inform yourself with facts before posting. You ***** about the state of CAOD yet you destroy it with posts like that ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:03:00 - [365] Originally by: Malachon Draco Edited by: Malachon Draco on 24/07/2007 15:01:01 Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. And how do you know this? Did a Dev tell you on MSN? And before you get angry, I am just going further on your own comment about 'People in glass houses and all' . Ofcourse, you should see my MSN list. Its awesome really.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:03:00 - [366] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. And how do you know this? Did a Dev tell you on MSN? great come back that was quite creative, how bout you inform yourself with facts before posting. You ***** about the state of CAOD yet you destroy it with posts like that What am I destroying? CAOD? Or your vision of how CAOD 'should' be, an old boys club where veterans slap each other on the back? ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:05:00 - [367] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Malachon Draco Edited by: Malachon Draco on 24/07/2007 15:01:01 Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. And how do you know this? Did a Dev tell you on MSN? And before you get angry, I am just going further on your own comment about 'People in glass houses and all' . Ofcourse, you should see my MSN list. Its awesome really. You know I am joking of course. But all kidding aside, don't you think your alliance ticker sortof makes your position to berate Goons or Mittani (is he still in Goonswarm?) about metagaming rather weak? Not saying they're not doing it, though this particular one is new to me, but do you really feel you're in a position to bring this up? ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
bluecheast Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:06:00 - [368] Hmm... bob vs ascn, +1k vs 5k ragoonfed vs lv, 10k vs 3k and if you didn't notice lv had been fighting for many many months so you just sound stupid or just a ragoonfed propaganda alt ------------------------- {Experienced} 0.0 Corp Looking For PvP'ers (Our Forums)
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:10:00 - [369] Originally by: bluecheast Hmm... bob vs ascn, +1k vs 5k ragoonfed vs lv, 10k vs 3k and if you didn't notice lv had been fighting for many many months so you just sound stupid or just a ragoonfed propaganda alt Umm, just to correct you, I remember fighting against RA when ASCN came down for a weekend of fighting to help LV take C-J. It was more like LV, V, KOS, ASCN etc etc, vs RA (10k vs 1k). Think ASCN showed up with something like 150 BS and someone said over 20 carriers. What happened was that LV botched the first dread attack, got nervous and called the attack off. 9 months later, it might have been RAGOON vs LV with a numerical advantage for the Redswarm, but it did not start out that way by a long shot. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
MiIes Naismith Amarr Guru Clan	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:19:00 - [370] DONT FORGET WHAT STARTED THE CURRENT WAR. wasnt it bob members who called a guys work trying to get him fired for exposing thier corruption and dev abuses. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh 2000 ([email protected])

Tempest Kane Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:20:00 - [371] Originally by: Kozak Wow, talk about a bob fan boy... lol. Yeah thats right, im clearly a fan boy. Idiot. Originally by: The Beatnuts Why have you left BOB - I would have liked you to come tell it in front of me. Im on a break due to real life commitments with my daughter. Unlike most alliances bob dosnt carry dead weight around, every single member is commited to what their doing, and in the end this will be what see's the lads that are still fighting will never stop untill victory is at hand, most of goon wanted out before their "moral boost" and red has allready started moving people back towards the drone regions to carebare some isk now they are starting to feel "safe". Realisticaly its going to come down to who has the staying power for this pro-longed total war... the band's only agenda is great pvp and constant combat, redswarm have a second agenda of gaining isk for rl wealth and this sir, will be your undoing.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:21:00 - [372] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. And how do you know this? Did a Dev tell you on MSN? great come back that was quite creative, how bout you inform yourself with facts before posting. You ***** about the state of CAOD yet you destroy it with posts like that What am I destroying? CAOD? Or your vision of how CAOD 'should' be, an old boys club where veterans slap each other on the back? I would like to see CAOD as a forum where debate is possible and actual discussion happens. Flaming people is something that is impossible to avoid if GBBS has proving anything. But CAOD no longer receives intellegent posts from the leaders of the EVE community. They have moved on and debate in other places where they can avoid the caves full of trolls. It is rare to see a thread in CAOD where true discussion happens between all parties involved. For the most part it is one man making a post while other flame away. For example I believe a RULE of THREE member pointed out that this thread produced 20 flames and not one counter arguement. Whether this thread was created soley for the purpose of flamebait that is something else entirely. I hope you can see where I am coming from and see how sickley this section of the forums has become. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:31:00 - [373] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. And how do you know this? Did a Dev tell you on MSN? great come back that was quite creative, how bout you inform yourself with facts before posting. You ***** about the state of CAOD yet you destroy it with posts like that What am I destroying? CAOD? Or your vision of how CAOD 'should' be, an old boys club where veterans slap each other on the back? I would like to see CAOD as a forum where debate is possible and actual discussion happens. Flaming people is something that is impossible to avoid if GBBS has proving anything. But CAOD no longer receives intellegent posts from the leaders of the EVE community. They have moved on and debate in other places where they can avoid the caves full of trolls. It is rare to see a thread in CAOD where true discussion happens between all parties involved. For the most part it is one man making a post while other flame away. For example I believe a RULE of THREE member pointed out that this thread produced 20 flames and not one counter arguement. Whether this thread was created soley for the purpose of flamebait that is something else entirely. I hope you can see where I am coming from and see how sickley this section of the forums has become. Oh, I certainly see how sickly it currently is. But rereading that thread from earlier was a bit of an eye-opener for me. The 'disease' has been here for a very long time, only hidden under a thin veneer of feigned respect and keeping up appearances. Like has been said a dozen times before, Eve is a cutthroat game, and everybody acts like it. From listening to you, I understand that in the 'good old days', despite all the backstabbing and spying etc, the veterans still came here to talk about stuff in a 'civilized' manner while they cut each others hearts out ingame. And eventually all that viciousness from ingame spilled over into this forum making it what it is today. And yet the people perpetrating the viciousness ingame feel no responsibility whatsoever for it spilling over to here, and instead blame a bunch of newcomers of ruining the nice little imaginary world of 'respect' they built for each other in CAOD. Hmmmm. I can see how you would prefer to continue to participate in that charade, but I fail to see how that would concern me. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:36:00 - [374] Originally by: Tempest Kane redswarm have a second agenda of gaining isk for rl wealth and this sir, will be your undoing. Add the bear feeding theme and everything will be just fine, as in your dreams. Or...just travel the world with your daughter, get some culture going on! Would be happy to offer you a beer if I have to. p.s. You might want to take out the deadweight part I'm prolly sure Infod wouldn't like to know they recruited that kind of player. Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:38:00 - [375] Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Kozak Wow, talk about a bob fan boy... lol. Yeah thats right, im clearly a fan boy. Idiot. Originally by: The Beatnuts Why have you left BOB - I would have liked you to come tell it in front of me. Im on a break due to real life commitments with my daughter. Unlike most alliances bob dosnt carry dead weight around, every single member is commited to what their doing, and in the end this will be what see's the lads that are still fighting will never stop untill victory is at hand, most of goon wanted out before their "moral boost" and red has allready started moving people back towards the drone regions to carebare some isk now they are starting to feel "safe". Realisticaly its going to come down to who has the staying power for this pro-longed total war... the band's only agenda is great pvp and constant combat, redswarm have a second agenda of gaining isk for rl wealth and this sir, will be your undoing. If feel bad for your daugther, how often do you call her an idiot? You don't have a bob ticker and you get on forums expecting everyone to look up who you are? Get a clue. Many reasons you could not be in BoB and have such affinity for them. You got kicked, no matter the reason, and you still have time to come on the forums and paint your nose brown with their ****.
Axia Firehead Amarr Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:39:00 - [376] Originally by: Tempest Kane redswarm have a second agenda of gaining isk for rl wealth and this sir, will be your undoing. this kind of attack need to be backed of with a petition, and all proofs, and, even more , with legal action. sir, come to the figth, i will be very please to destroy all you ship, all your pod, to arrass you in all way , until you quit the game. **** like you have no place to be. you are more than a moron, you are even badder than ** , ben laden or ** i m accusing you of ebaying characters, isk, stuff , doing irl money with it , using asian peopple to do your dirty stuff and paying them 1 dollar per month for it. Primary Target**
quellious COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:40:00 - [377] Just a little note: I'm still really surprised to see some people contesting that BoB were metagaming, or that they went too far in borderline playing. (Most obvious case is probably POS boowling before ccp recognized it as an exploit, and contestable are TS server crash just before fight during old FA time). I also see several post stating that other alliances do the same (namely complex exploit, or system spam ?). Take it as you want, but some people just don't cross the little line between ingame and outgame. Some people just consider EvE as a -fair game-, meant to be played fair, ingame, with ingame modules instead of TS password (for example). (As TCF diplomat, i had several hostile players willing to give their alliance TS password to damage it, but we refused it). So, once again, take as you want, but i only see BoB as a group of cheaters, and cheat is not encouraged at least in my alliance. Hopefully it clears up our feeling about people contesting evidences. Regards. (Note for DPb or something. You lost all credibility when making statements that you alliance can't endorse). - Did you noticed that a pendulum does not swing in deep space ?
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:42:00 - [378] Originally by: Malachon Draco ....allotta stuff and then Oh, I certainly see how sickly it currently is. But rereading that thread from earlier was a bit of an eye-opener for me. The 'disease' has been here for a very long time, only hidden under a thin veneer of feigned respect and keeping up appearances. Like has been said a dozen times before, Eve is a cutthroat game, and everybody acts like it. From listening to you, I understand that in the 'good old days', despite all the backstabbing and spying etc, the veterans still came here to talk about stuff in a 'civilized' manner while they cut each others hearts out ingame. And eventually all that viciousness from ingame spilled over into this forum making it what it is today. And yet the people perpetrating the viciousness ingame feel no responsibility whatsoever for it spilling over to here, and instead blame a bunch of newcomers of ruining the nice little imaginary world of 'respect' they built for each other in CAOD. Hmmmm. I can see how you would prefer to continue to participate in that charade, but I fail to see how that would concern me. backstabbing and spying and metagaming occurs at all levels of this game and within all alliances and causes a serious ammount of hate between internet spaceship nerds that we are. I think we are discussing two very different things, DBP's posts about oldtimers moving on was not directed towards CAOD as much as it was towards the current direction of game mechanics. The recent changes that CCP has brought about and certian inate flaws with concepts such as POS wars Sov and Outposts are what DBP was posting about. It has caused a split between veterans of the game. Those that love capitals ships on one side and those that loved their T2 snipers on the other side. Moving back to the concept that viciousness ingame has spilled over to the forums and people are just blaming new comers is absurd. It would be just as absurd to blame the goonswarm for all the problems because well we all know that CAOD was dying even when they weren't allowed to post. The problem with CAOD I feel is mainly the ease of not having to link your opinions to a main character and the lack of knowledge of who the MODS are. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Myz Toyou Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:46:00 - [379] Reading all the dbp post ( here and in the past ) makes one thing very clear: Your attitude against 90% of the non-BOB playerbase makes these player hate you/BOB. And don`t tell us crap like: This is only ingame. You as an so called "Oldtimer" should know that ingame/outgame in EVE is so close together that you can`t insult someone ingame and truly believe he didnt get hurt by it outgame. So step down from your high horse and face it, you are the ones that started "this" kind of "game", now live with it or move on. CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:46:00 - [380] Originally by: quellious Just a little note: I'm still really surprised to see some people contesting that BoB were metagaming, or that they went too far in borderline playing. (Most obvious case is probably POS boowling before ccp recognized it as an exploit, and contestable are TS server crash just before fight during old FA time). I also see several post stating that other alliances do the same (namely complex exploit, or system spam ?). Take it as you want, but some people just don't cross the little line between ingame and outgame. Some people just consider EvE as a -fair game-, meant to be played fair, ingame, with ingame modules instead of TS password (for example). (As TCF diplomat, i had several hostile players willing to give their alliance TS password to damage it, but we refused it). So, once again, take as you want, but i only see BoB as a group of cheaters, and cheat is not encouraged at least in my alliance. Hopefully it clears up our feeling about people contesting evidences. Regards. (Note for DPb or something. You lost all credibility when making statements that you alliance can't endorse). personally i have not been denying the metagaming. my point was bob just gets the most publicity because they have been the most succesful at it. Do not confusing exploits with metagaming either. POS bowling was ruled not to be an exploit and then rule to be one. Metagaming refers to out of game techniques such as spying on TS to gain an ingame advantage. Which GS has done to me. So if you feel that strongly why are you allied with them? ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.

TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:48:00 - [381] Edited by: TWD on 24/07/2007 15:48:51 Originally by: quellious ....and contestable are TS server crash just before fight during old FA time..... Right..... Do you seriously believe that?
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:53:00 - [382] guys metagame
Cedori Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:54:00 - [383] Personally, I think metagaming is at it's heart one of the major problems with this game. When it becomes neccessary to lie, cheat, steal, and grief in order to obtain your goals, it's no longer a game. A game is something you do for fun, and while some people have fun lieing, stealing, cheating, and griefing, they dont' care that their 'fun' is causing other's to not have fun. If we could all remember that it's a game, and enjoy it, instead of trying to win it, I think there would be less issues. Some of the most fun I've ever had in this game was in battles that we almost won, but lost. Where is the rush of taking out towers that were offlined by a spy? Or the killing of a Titan that was last-second agro'd as it was logging off? Or exploiting plexes to gain more Isk? Or logging into TS and talking over the opponents FC's, so that the battle is onesided due to organization? None of those sound remotely fun to me. Nor to most people I imagine, including people that have done them in the past. This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti!
Havras The Syndicate Inc	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:55:00 - [384] Originally by: Pilk Originally by: James 315 The one time an AXE FC led a mixed ASCN/AXE gang into BoB space was the only time ASCN ever posted better-than-even K/D numbers on their board, and then they screwed it up with incompetent capital ship fleet and POS management. That was either TPAR or TCAG. We saved several ASCN carriers at one point, back when a carrier was worth a hell of a lot more than one is now. --P Gotta call you wrong on that.. I was in most of the fighting from day 1 and I can think of a number of engagements where ASCN had winning K/D ratios.. usually using unexpected tactics and, granted, not in the blob vs blob fleets(by which I mwean 150+). Unfortunately we had to jump through friggin hoops to get High Command clearance or support for... innovative tactics that could have done some good.. in the end a lot of us that were urging such tactics were shouted down and told to shut it. Having said that I'll say again... ASCN is long dead and really shouldn't be brought up again in the context of the current war. Quote: If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
Nestor Ne'Arthe Amarr Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:58:00 - [385] Originally by: DB Preacher It would be interesting to see what would have happened to Jade's, Halseths, Hardin's, Morkt Drakt's etc etc commentary on the game had the forums been in a similar mess back then. Thankfully the forums were different back then. During the PA war I loved to read the forums, as most of the posts, aspecially from major players were well constructed and sometimes even had some merit to them. Jade's posts.. well.. they were state of the art trolling really, well constructed and amusing to read. What I see here now is 'lol u suk'. "Shut up, you're a goon" "Lol bob" "Go cry to t20 on MSN". It just proves that the combat should be done with guns in game, as any kind of retoric argumentation on these boards is most likely doomed to fail, mainly due influx of newer players who have nothing to say, nor any culture at all. Ontopic: I don't see bob falling anytime soon, they managed to stay afloat for the last 3 years, and with stability and structure they've built during that time - it will be very hard to break it. And before anyone accuses me of being a so called bob-pet, I've been on the other side of their gun back in venal and learned to respect the stone wall ;-) --
quellious COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:02:00 - [386] Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 24/07/2007 15:48:51 Originally by: quellious ....and contestable are TS server crash just before fight during old FA time..... Right..... Do you seriously believe that? Unfortunatly TWD i was here and thus i saw it. - Did you noticed that a pendulum does not swing in deep space ?
Havras The Syndicate Inc	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:03:00 - [387] Originally by: CEO Pyrex 1. ASCN died just as he said it did - sad times but desearved to die imho. 5. bob will win if they kick out all the LV and ASCN wastes of space and get back to being a serious kickass fleet again - i dont think that will happen in a hurry as directors like taxation on ratting. /quote] LOL. Irony meter is going off the scale here. Quote: If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:05:00 - [388] Originally by: Tempest Kane Unlike most alliances bob dosnt carry dead weight around, So by your own definition, 0utbreak are a corp that carry deadweight around? They have always come out has beeing a great and respected bunch of people, how they ended up hiring a BOB reject like yourself is a mistery...
Tobruk Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:09:00 - [389] Edited by: Tobruk on 24/07/2007 16:09:56 Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Lee Bian dbp took the short space bus to space school look at me, attacking his ingame character Originally by: Lee Bian there's a joke here about socially inept nerds (like dbp's ingame character) but i can't be arsed to find it These are amusing comments to look at also as they highlight another large problem of the forums (ignore the alliance or the poster and look at the comments). Alot of the time, people will simply jump in with a 1 line "funny" in order to detract from conversation or simply abuse the opposition. Everyone does it and it isn't only one side. However, the change in tone of these "funnies" have altered massively over the last couple of years from being tongue in cheek to actual plain abuse and even on the odd occasion that people try and make it ingame they actually fail miserably (as is the case here). It would be interesting to see what would have happened to Jade's, Halseths, Hardin's, Morkt Drakt's etc etc commentary on the game had the forums been in a similar mess back then. dbp DBP im an "old Timer" and all i can say is you're full of it. Nothing has changed, people were this way from the start. all i see is you - who is used to winning, being right, and commanding respect - getting made to look like a total fool and you clearly don't know how to respond. frankly you set the tone for the " 1 liners" when you compared rem. to ******. ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:09:00 - [390] Originally by: Axia Firehead Originally by: Tempest Kane redswarm have a second agenda of gaining isk for rl wealth and this sir, will be your undoing. this kind of attack need to be backed of with a petition, and all proofs, and, even more , with legal action. sir, come to the figth, i will be very please to destroy all you ship, all your pod, to arrass you in all way , until you quit the game. **** like you have no place to be. you are more than a moron, you are even badder than ** , ben laden or **** i m accusing you of ebaying characters, isk, stuff , doing irl money with it , using asian peopple to do your dirty stuff and paying them 1 dollar per month for it. hahaha

Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:12:00 - [391] Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. YOU ARE A DISAPPOINTMENT TO ALL OF CCP APOLOGIZE TO THE PLAYERS AND THEN GET OUT OF THE SYSTEM I AM ADMIRAL CHARIZARD AND MY WORD IS LAW. ^DIANABOLIC HIT ME UP ON AIM LATER DAWG PEACE OUT GANGSTA^
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:19:00 - [392] Originally by: Nestor Ne'Arthe Originally by: DB Preacher It would be interesting to see what would have happened to Jade's, Halseths, Hardin's, Morkt Drakt's etc etc commentary on the game had the forums been in a similar mess back then. Thankfully the forums were different back then. During the PA war I loved to read the forums, as most of the posts, aspecially from major players were well constructed and sometimes even had some merit to them. Jade's posts.. well.. they were state of the art trolling really, well constructed and amusing to read. What I see here now is 'lol u suk'. "Shut up, you're a goon" "Lol bob" "Go cry to t20 on MSN". It just proves that the combat should be done with guns in game, as any kind of retoric argumentation on these boards is most likely doomed to fail, mainly due influx of newer players who have nothing to say, nor any culture at all. Yeah that was pretty much my point nestor ;) Long time no see btw. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Tempest Kane Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:19:00 - [393] Originally by: Kozak You got kicked, no matter the reason, and you still have time to come on the forums and paint your nose brown with their **. I got kicked? :P I left of my own acord for a break. And as for the "brown nose" comment, ill support my friends till the very end, the friendships made in the band far excede this game and thats what makes them strong. Continue to make yourself look like an idiot at your lessure fella. Originally by:** Axia Firehead you are more than a moron, you are even badder than **** , ben laden or ** Im worse than bin laden? lol. Amused. Originally by:** PhantomVyper So by your own definition, 0utbreak are a corp that carry deadweight around? Im not even outbreak :P. Infod is a great corporation with great people with a far more relaxed play style that i can login for as little as an hour a night and have some fun while my girl sleeps, it starts and stops their. Their pirates, its significantly diffrent from the commitments required for been part of the greatest 0.0 alliance in this game. Get a clue.
Wardog 1 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:20:00 - [394] Edited by: Wardog 1 on 24/07/2007 16:19:59 nm
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:24:00 - [395] Originally by: DB Preacher Yeah that was pretty much my point nestor ;) Long time no see btw. dbp Isn't it time, for another pendulum post? dbp ________________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. ELMO PUG HATES FUN
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:24:00 - [396] I just hope that Malachon Drko will be banned for that comment about daughter of Tempest....comment that was deleted . Plenty of garbage in thread as usual, but some goes over the edge to often. And its always those that experienced only other side of stick me, myself and I ------>
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:26:00 - [397] Edited by: TWD on 24/07/2007 16:27:05 Originally by: quellious ....Some people just consider EvE as a -fair game-, meant to be played fair, ingame, with ingame modules instead of TS password (for example). (As TCF diplomat, i had several hostile players willing to give their alliance TS password to damage it, but we refused it). .... If you're serious about this, why play with other groups of people that do 'metagame' and openly admit to it? Trying to understand your point of view. (Again, infiltration is part of the game and I don't see a problem with it.) Originally by: Tetsujin Edited by: Tetsujin on 24/07/2007 16:16:04 Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. YOU ARE A DISAPPOINTMENT TO ALL OF CCP APOLOGIZE TO THE PLAYERS AND THEN GET OUT OF THE SYSTEM I AM ADMIRAL CHARIZARD AND MY WORD IS LAW. ^DIANABOLIC HIT ME UP ON AIM LATER DAWG PEACE OUT GANGSTA^ chArIzArd thUg 4 lyf went away at 15:45:32 chArIzArd thUg 4 lyf returned at 15:55:43 OH HEY PLAYAS JUS LETTIN U KNOW DA POS BOLWING STUFF IZ GONNA B AN EXPLOIT IN TWO WEEKZ YA HEARD NOW IM OUT 4 REAL chArIzArd thUg 4 lyf went away at 15:59:07 I blocked that guy ages ago, he is a fgt.
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:28:00 - [398] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Nestor Ne'Arthe Originally by: DB Preacher It would be interesting to see what would have happened to Jade's, Halseths, Hardin's, Morkt Drakt's etc etc commentary on the game had the forums been in a similar mess back then. Thankfully the forums were different back then. During the PA war I loved to read the forums, as most of the posts, aspecially from major players were well constructed and sometimes even had some merit to them. Jade's posts.. well.. they were state of the art trolling really, well constructed and amusing to read. What I see here now is 'lol u suk'. "Shut up, you're a goon" "Lol bob" "Go cry to t20 on MSN". It just proves that the combat should be done with guns in game, as any kind of retoric argumentation on these boards is most likely doomed to fail, mainly due influx of newer players who have nothing to say, nor any culture at all. Yeah that was pretty much my point nestor ;) Long time no see btw. dbp Things sure were better back in the good old days when Blacklight trawled message boards for ISPs.
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:32:00 - [399] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, what happened is exactly what one Goon in that very thread said:"Don't take this the wrong way, but the majority of us don't want to be a part of the "old school Eve community." From comparing that thread for example to the exchanges we've seen in the past 9 months, I am pretty sure the only conclusion can be that 'the old Eve community' is dead. For better or for worse maybe, but dead it is. Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp I have the world's smallest violin here, playing just for you.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:34:00 - [400] Originally by: Psilocin I have the world's smallest violin here, playing just for you. That's very sweet, I hope you are playing something good on it. To think, not only do i have the gs fanboi's adoring me, I also have them following me around playing music as I saunter through the game. Amazing what these kind chaps will get into to keep me entertained. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Havras The Syndicate Inc	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:36:00 - [401] Edited by: Havras on 24/07/2007 16:41:17 Edited by: Havras on 24/07/2007 16:39:43 Originally by: Torshin great come back that was quite creative, how bout you inform yourself with facts before posting. You *** about the state of CAOD yet you destroy it with posts like that He could always have gone with having a dev give the alliance spawned t2 BPO's. Quote:** If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:38:00 - [402] Edited by: HydroSan on 24/07/2007 16:37:56 Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp Yeah, calling your vassals "pets" isn't degradation at all.
Indomitus Rex Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:38:00 - [403] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Psilocin I have the world's smallest violin here, playing just for you. That's very sweet, I hope you are playing something good on it. To think, not only do i have the gs fanboi's adoring me, I also have them following me around playing music as I saunter through the game. Amazing what these kind chaps will get into to keep me entertained. dbp Hopefully dbp you learn at least one thing before your time in EVE is up. That propaganda and bull**** doesn't work as well on the intarweb when people have a record of the stupid stuff that comes out of your mouth. It comes back to bite you in the ass -dbp Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:40:00 - [404] Originally by: Mihailo Great Torshin, did you miss revelation 2? The game mechanics changed so that the normal fleets are usefull again, that's why Goons are having so much fun again. If you logged in, moved to a different corp in a different region, you'd rediscover Eve. If you're an exceptional man, you'd help GONAD come back to life. Good luck either way, stay in game or gtfo stop bothering us with your whines either way too. I will address the constructive aspects of this post. While yes REV 2.0 did increase the importance of non-capital ships it only increased their use on a large scale. What I mean is that it requires fleet battle nows, not small scale gang war fare. One of my favorite aspects of the game is small 5-30 man gangs running around and engaging fleets of similar sizes. This is a bit of a whine against fleets and lag and all that jazz. But I think game mechanics should be altered to increase effectiveness of small gangs not increase effectiveness of huge blobs of non-capital ships. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:42:00 - [405] Nicely written well thought post....refreshing to see something like this in CAOD every now and then. Interesting point of view, I enjoyed reading it.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:45:00 - [406] Originally by: TWD I blocked that guy ages ago, he is a fgt. hahaha
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:45:00 - [407] Edited by: Torshin on 24/07/2007 16:45:46 edit \|= quote ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Zenst Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:49:00 - [408] There is no loss, only spoons
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:51:00 - [409] Originally by: TWD If you're serious about this, why play with other groups of people that do 'metagame' and openly admit to it? Trying to understand your point of view. (Again, infiltration is part of the game and I don't see a problem with it.) I can't speak for Quellious. :) What can I say is when TCF was against the North, D¦ provided many intel for TCF betrayers that willed to go there. For them, it had two purposes : - The wahwah against this guy (internal problems, that also would raise security problems, etc). If your opponent is paranond, that'll keep him busy. - To get rid of a potential future betrayer : "Look, I betrayed my ex-alliance to enter yours". Yeah man, of course. I thrust you now. @op, btw, I completly disagrea with you on this conflict. If Bob loose "since one month", that's not because of what you said (and I won't say - it's Bob's to find out - I know why). Last month we were loosing. This month they loose. Next month we'll prolly loose. Etc. Nothing is played. I can't stand people who sell the bear's fur before another one killed it. -=-=-
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:52:00 - [410] Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp Dbp you might not have noticed it but BoB started this trend, the trend of complete disrespect for the enemy and gloating for the grief you can cause. Fine. Personally I dont think it was wrong per se, but you guys decided to start a trend and now complain when its coming back in your face - that is rather cheap. - Gob Stealth bombers work!

Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:57:00 - [411] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 24/07/2007 16:28:55 I just hope that Malachon Drko will be banned for that comment about daughter of Tempest....comment that was deleted . Plenty of garbage in thread as usual, but some goes over the edge to often. And its always those that experienced only other side of stick EDIT: That would cut all post numbers by 10% though Umm, I never made any comment about Tempest or anyone's daughter. I completely ignored him to be honest. Not sure what you are referring to? ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:03:00 - [412] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, what happened is exactly what one Goon in that very thread said:"Don't take this the wrong way, but the majority of us don't want to be a part of the "old school Eve community." From comparing that thread for example to the exchanges we've seen in the past 9 months, I am pretty sure the only conclusion can be that 'the old Eve community' is dead. For better or for worse maybe, but dead it is. Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp In other words, it was all fun and games when it was you guys whose ass everyone was kissing, but now that the focus is on the Greater Ragoon Federation Community, it's terrible and driving people away and horrible and bad for the game. People making "BoB sucks, I'm sick of the game dynamics, boohoo we can't beat BoB because of all their unfair advantages" posts = Cry some more baby, can I have your stuff? People making "Haha BoB, we've got you on the run, fofofooffofofo" posts = OMG this game is so horrible and uncivil now, take me back to last year plz kkthxthx! Hypocrisy, thy name is DB Preacher. dpb
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:08:00 - [413] Originally by: Torshin I will address the constructive aspects of this post. While yes REV 2.0 did increase the importance of non-capital ships it only increased their use on a large scale. What I mean is that it requires fleet battle nows, not small scale gang war fare. One of my favorite aspects of the game is small 5-30 man gangs running around and engaging fleets of similar sizes. This is a bit of a whine against fleets and lag and all that jazz. But I think game mechanics should be altered to increase effectiveness of small gangs not increase effectiveness of huge blobs of non-capital ships. Torshin, try using all the new rev2 tools, they're still new and people simply haven't learned how to use them. Give CCP a little more credit than this Goon here is giving them will you? They said they would boost small gangs and nerf large gangs, BUT ONLY if you learn to use all the tools available to you, they won't simply make a large blob spontaneously explode. If you take your small gang into a station system of a giant alliance, what do you expect? When BOB sends +100 people, we don't call it blobing, because we can match it. Your problem seems that you didn't choose your targets wisely. No matter what your pvp capability, you can't go up against a huge alliance. That doesn't make sense, what's the point of being a huge alliance then? A small should not be able to defeat a large blob, but they have the tools to do much damage and run away.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:10:00 - [414] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 24/07/2007 17:10:38 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Bob focuses on quality and skill over numbers Why Bob included the Shinra to Evolution, then ? -=-=-
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:15:00 - [415] Originally by: Mihailo Great Originally by: Torshin I will address the constructive aspects of this post. While yes REV 2.0 did increase the importance of non-capital ships it only increased their use on a large scale. What I mean is that it requires fleet battle nows, not small scale gang war fare. One of my favorite aspects of the game is small 5-30 man gangs running around and engaging fleets of similar sizes. This is a bit of a whine against fleets and lag and all that jazz. But I think game mechanics should be altered to increase effectiveness of small gangs not increase effectiveness of huge blobs of non-capital ships. Torshin, try using all the new rev2 tools, they're still new and people simply haven't learned how to use them. Give CCP a little more credit than this Goon here is giving them will you? They said they would boost small gangs and nerf large gangs, BUT ONLY if you learn to use all the tools available to you, they won't simply make a large blob spontaneously explode. If you take your small gang into a station system of a giant alliance, what do you expect? When BOB sends +100 people, we don't call it blobing, because we can match it. Your problem seems that you didn't choose your targets wisely. No matter what your pvp capability, you can't go up against a huge alliance. That doesn't make sense, what's the point of being a huge alliance then? A small should not be able to defeat a large blob, but they have the tools to do much damage and run away. That isn't directly what I was refering to. I meant the effectiveness of the small scale gang in a largescale war. Like using small gangs to disable guns and station services. That is how it should have been. Now its HUGE gangs needed to disable these features. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:21:00 - [416] THIS THREAD IS A REVELATION _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion Originally by: CCP Arkanon We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad. Thats one theory.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:22:00 - [417] Originally by: Tempest Kane You think you have won something due to taking a few systems on your front door? TCF is not at their frontdoor. Win. -=-=-
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:24:00 - [418] Originally by: Torshin That isn't directly what I was refering to. I meant the effectiveness of the small scale gang in a largescale war. Like using small gangs to disable guns and station services. That is how it should have been. Now its HUGE gangs needed to disable these features. Try to keep up with the dev blogs, and if you were a long time player you'd know that CCP adds new features cautiously. They didn't want a gang running around killing everyone's pos after patch downtime. Can you imagine the hatemail from every alliance director? Most devs agree that pos guns and station services take too much time to kill. Yet, at the same time, tools other than camping stargates 23/7 have to be given to alliances to counter cloaking/roaming gangs.
Shinjuro Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:24:00 - [419] I am feeling the luv in this thread atm.. Tempest.. don't lie.. you know that you left them b/c you knew I was joining INFOD.. and you wanted to see "IT" for yourself!
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:31:00 - [420] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Psilocin I have the world's smallest violin here, playing just for you. That's very sweet, I hope you are playing something good on it. To think, not only do i have the gs fanboi's adoring me, I also have them following me around playing music as I saunter through the game. Amazing what these kind chaps will get into to keep me entertained. dbp Well why don't you go lose a mothership about it?

Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:36:00 - [421] Originally by: Mihailo Great Originally by: Torshin That isn't directly what I was refering to. I meant the effectiveness of the small scale gang in a largescale war. Like using small gangs to disable guns and station services. That is how it should have been. Now its HUGE gangs needed to disable these features. Try to keep up with the dev blogs, and if you were a long time player you'd know that CCP adds new features cautiously. They didn't want a gang running around killing everyone's pos after patch downtime. Can you imagine the hatemail from every alliance director? Most devs agree that pos guns and station services take too much time to kill. Yet, at the same time, tools other than camping stargates 23/7 have to be given to alliances to counter cloaking/roaming gangs. Please stop taking such a negative tone as im replying constructively. I do agree that CCP introduces changes very cautiously but I feel that they are introducing the wrong sort of changes into game play mechanics. They are emphasing the strength and need of large scale enities and alliances. Its an intersting concept that was being discussed earlier whether its the changes of CCP or just the social evolution of the game thats causing this. What I mean is it increasing the importance of the people ordering people around and decreasing the individuals purpose. Personally I feel that game changes a long time ago caused huge fundemental changes in social needs which are now taking effect. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Exelsior The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:39:00 - [422] All of you people who are flaming the OP should open your eyes. So much of what he said is true it's not even funny, and all you do is parade your ignorance.
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:43:00 - [423] dpb stop signing your posts
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:43:00 - [424] Originally by: Psilocin Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 24/07/2007 17:10:38 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Bob focuses on quality and skill over numbers Why Bob included the Shinra to Evolution, then ? Dude, have you seen Chowdown's k:d ratio? It's wicked! Err... Chowdown liked to fry the void (to TCF pilots' eyes). The Enslaver was a psychopath, not Chow. -=-=-
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:45:00 - [425] Originally by: Nlewis dpb stop signing your posts Am I the only one to think that this post kicks ass? :p - BH
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:46:00 - [426] Originally by: Torshin Please stop taking such a negative tone as im replying constructively. Sorry if I appeared to be, I was not, must be the Goon alliance ticker working it's charm The rest of what you said, isn't coherent with what you started discussing, but I'll bite anyhow. Originally by: Torshin What I mean is it increasing the importance of the people ordering people around and decreasing the individuals purpose. This doesn't make sense, because back then, you didn't have to do much to keep an alliance afloat, that's why some alliances were unprepared to the level of commitement required in this war even after revelations 1. Revelations 2 made it even more important to be highly organized. Now people have tasks to do, and skills to learn for the alliance to survive. How is that decreasing an individual's purpose? More than ever, people have to start working together to survive. Eve is a game of building empires, not of wandering elves and orcs.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:48:00 - [427] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Nlewis dpb stop signing your posts Am I the only one to think that this post kicks ass? :p No. Maybe this is the time where someone tells -dbp that the character name is actually displayed at the upper left side of every post.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:50:00 - [428] Originally by: Mihailo Great Originally by: Torshin Please stop taking such a negative tone as im replying constructively. Sorry if I appeared to be, I was not, must be the Goon alliance ticker working it's charm The rest of what you said, isn't coherent with what you started discussing, but I'll bite anyhow. Originally by: Torshin What I mean is it increasing the importance of the people ordering people around and decreasing the individuals purpose. This doesn't make sense, because back then, you didn't have to do much to keep an alliance afloat, that's why some alliances were unprepared to the level of commitement required in this war even after revelations 1. Revelations 2 made it even more important to be highly organized. Now people have tasks to do, and skills to learn for the alliance to survive. How is that decreasing an individual's purpose? More than ever, people have to start working together to survive. Eve is a game of building empires, not of wandering elves and orcs. Very intersting. I like the part about building empires. I'm going to take some time to get my thoughts together and then I will contact you in-game to continue this. If you get a chance take a look at DS thread on SHC about being bored with eve. Its a killer long and boring thread but is a very intersting look at the evolution of EVE. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:15:00 - [429] DB actually signs his posts twice. Once with DBP. Once with stupidity. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:18:00 - [430] Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:21:00 - [431] Thanks for proving mine. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:29:00 - [432] Childish, both of you -=-=-
Dirtball Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:29:00 - [433] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level Don't worry kid, only the "old timers" around will understand the post so I wouldn't waste time trying to decipher it ;) Just laugh and mock it as normal. dbp i understand your post as being crap. The old timers were/are a bunch of serf/sheep idiots that believed the hype, Goonswarm are the best thing that's happened to eve.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:35:00 - [434] Originally by: fire 59 <snip> Congrats where it's due but jumping around, bawking about victory at this stage doesn't make sense. Wait until your standing over the corpse of the enemy alliance, otherwise, when the tides of war shift once again as they have a habit of doing, you will be standing there with egg on your face and wondering what has happened. Just chill and enjoy the ride Word. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:37:00 - [435] Quote: We never attacked the real life player behind cyvok. We attacked the character Cyvok and the speeches he made as the character Cyvok. OMG, are you for real? Not even you can possible expect anyone to believe this! _________________________________________________________
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:45:00 - [436] "This game is all about scale and giving everyone something to do. The biggest problem is that alot of people want to be at the absolute top of the heap but they haven't played through everything else or experienced what it is like to spend months scrapping with an equally sized opponent or taken a merc contract out to chase someone around etc etc. You simply can't go from bottom > top in a few months and truly understand the intricate nature of the game. "Titans are only available for the largest 0.0 alliances in the game. They should be the pinnacle of an alliance's work throughout the game to this date. It is of no surprise to me that the only alliances who have been able to build these are the ones who essentially have been here from the start in one form or another, and more importantly, their leaders have experienced every single part of the game and have grown with it. "An alliance who doesn't have a titan should be concentrating on one of two areas of the game. First option: Make the choice to build up to a titan, fight little wars, challenge small alliances, make friends etc. Look at corps like those in The Star Fraction, corps like Pie/Ushra Khan. They have an excellent sense of themselves and haven't skipped out stages to jump straight in at the deep end. "Second option: Jump straight into the deep end (and I'm not saying this is a bad option but you have to understand your limits). If you do jump straight into the deep end work alongside alliances who have been there from the start and have the experience to use titans, to use capital fleets, to manage 1000+ players in a fight. Don't jump straight in and think you are immediately equal to everyone because you are not. "Eve is a game, find your level and have fun but don't get upset if it isn't immediately at the top of the pile challenging titans, if you work up to it you will see that titans are absolutely perfect as they are and I think that about ours and our enemies titans. "On a slightly separate note, it's too easy for peeps these days to put the blinkers on when they see my name or my alliance but I have no desire or need for alliance chat on here, this is general discussion and peeps should look at it as such... an area to chat about stuff without bringing in stupid COAD rubbish in here otherwise I'll just start posting on an alt, I don't really care. Take the blinkers off chaps and start treating the general discussion forum with the respect it deserves."
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:48:00 - [437] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Childish, both of you :) Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Gallente Picante Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:15:00 - [438] Is DBP still replying to people? Please reply to me too DBP, I have several topics listed below for you to choose from: 1. BoB then 2. BoB now 3. BoB then and now 4. A future without BoB 5. A future with BoB 6. Top hats on animals
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:21:00 - [439] Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp quoted for post signing truth
jeffb GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:21:00 - [440] dbp complaining about the tactics bob pioneered being used effectively against them?

Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:23:00 - [441] DB in hamster sex crime scandal? Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:25:00 - [442] Nobodies saying we have already won or anything. There are a couple of reasons for chestbeating: a) The people need to know whats going on, after all bob don't seem to be making many threads about their recent* failures. b) Maybe we will start getting a better fight if we annoy bob enough by telling them to "bring it", because frankly, I think a lot of us are disappointed that the main bob tactic of the last 3 months has been market -> buy -> large pos. And jesus christ, any bob pet fanboi needs to read blacklights old blogs or the old caod threads to realise why goons dislike bob, it's got nothing to do with what happens ingame, it's all about bob trying to smear our out of game community and the real people behind it.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:26:00 - [443] Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp it's pretty funny how your refusing to respond to accusations in these threads is just like how your alliance is refusing to deploy capitals against us.
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:26:00 - [444] Originally by: Angelus Damelon this certainly is a thread Source?
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:39:00 - [445] Originally by: TrevorReznik Originally by: Angelus Damelon this certainly is a thread Source? mostly hearsay and conjecture, I can neither confirm nor deny that this is actually a thread
Alte Schabracke University of Caille	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:42:00 - [446] I must admit, I find it quite refreshing to see the same smack slosh now in BOBs direction that normally comes from BOB themself. 1st The Titan loss 2nd Xelas 3rd the stalement/step backwards in the east 4th the Evol Heist Interesting times, seems you hired alot of average from LV or are you gettin old ?
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:45:00 - [447] Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. Mittani took it too far, and there isn't a single person in goonswarm who would disagree with that. Now he's gone
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:47:00 - [448] Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 24/07/2007 19:46:20 Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. Mittani took it too far, there isn't a single person in goonswarm who would disagree with that, and he was gone after being CEO for less than 3 weeks. What did he do? DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:48:00 - [449] Originally by: Crivens Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp it's pretty funny how your refusing to respond to accusations in these threads is just like how your alliance is refusing to deploy capitals against us. {{Needs citation\|date=post-desynch-fixing-patch}} I've been afraid to drop my carrier on top of hostiles in the midst of all this desynch bull**; you expect them to roll out moms and titans? They did it once and lost a Titan for their trouble. As soon as everybody's reassured themselves that desynch is truly dead, you'll see large-scale capital deployments again. Please note: I've been deploying my carrier this whole time, despite desynchs. But that's because I'm a foolhardy, killmail-whoring, bloodthirsty idiot. --P Kosh*: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.*
Wodin Drukvik GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:57:00 - [450] Edited by: Wodin Drukvik on 24/07/2007 19:57:14 Originally by: Tempest Kane Unlike most alliances bob dosnt carry dead weight around, every single member is commited to what their doing Actually, the last few people who joined EVOL are pretty revealing as to what is and is not considered "dead weight" in this day and age.

Kiko Goatbiter Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:58:00 - [451] Edited by: Kiko Goatbiter on 24/07/2007 19:58:24 ^^ Like dis guy Goons are such terrible posters.
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:01:00 - [452] Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 24/07/2007 20:01:35 Originally by: DB Preacher I would personally see stuff like posting rl pictures of cyvok, emailing him at work, abusing rl relationships etc etc as oog. As in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. (that relates to kozak's and s4mp3r0r's posts as well as malachons). But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp How about when you did it to kugutseman then? dbp _____________________________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:02:00 - [453] Originally by: Pilk I've been afraid to drop my carrier on top of hostiles in the midst of all this desynch bull****; you expect them to roll out moms and titans? They did it once and lost a Titan for their trouble. As soon as everybody's reassured themselves that desynch is truly dead, you'll see large-scale capital deployments again. You're insinuating that Shrike died to desync, when Molle himself has clearly stated otherwise. And I'd say that BoB's failure to deploy a real capital fleet is much more attributable to the new vulnerability of Titans, which has made subcapital fleets relevant again. Without a Titan to clear the field of tacklers and non-capital DPS, a BoB capital fleet might actually die. It's actually a fairly smart decision, tactically; do what you can to slow RSF in Omist (which no one really wants and no one ever really defends) in subcapital fleets, hoping that constellation sov will allow Feyth / Esoteria to be shored up by then. Given how rabidly they denied that desyncs were even occurring (TCF thread) for quite some time, trying to retroactively attribute their lack of cap deployment to the desync issue is kind of silly.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:27:00 - [454] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 D2 could have put aside their grudges Even after the G/ASCN war, you might have gotten help. EC-P8R sealed your fate. Correct. I've said as much in this forum many times. It wasn't just D2 who had no interest in lifting a finger to help ASCN after that particular escapade. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:31:00 - [455] Originally by: Tempest Kane Take your propaganda and smoke it. You think you have won something due to taking a few systems on your front door? lol. BOB win battle after battle, night after night, month after month and nothing is said of the victory. You win for a few nights, take a few systems and all of a suddern its top of the news and theirs esays about it. Words mean nothing. We will see what happens. I have no doubt in my mind who the victor will be in the end. Oh and Red, i know your wallets starting to hurt, with all that isk selling and the lack of making it and bug plex's to keep you going.. gota be hurting. When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:36:00 - [456] Originally by: Avernus <snip> If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. I don't think that's entirely true. I don't recall FA being all that vocal and we came before you, if you count the ATUK invasion (which BoB's own pilots have done). I remember being absolutely gobsmacked when you guys became "friends" though. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:39:00 - [457] Good god another i hate BOB post, how about getting the OP to post how BOB should have fought a war in EVE?. Or is this just another thread about how they would have lost if they had stared a war with every other alliance in eve all at the same time and fought on 200 differant fronts?. Cos if it is please find me an existing alliance that has picked a fight they were sure that they would lose.
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:44:00 - [458] Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp Hey, remember when you told everyone in the Eve community that you're the lead designer of Grand Theft Auto, when in reality you just made missions for it? I bet you did the RC missions. Hey, did you know that your coworkers had a little party when you broke your leg? True story.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:47:00 - [459] Originally by: Murina Good god another i hate BOB post, how about getting the OP to post how BOB should have fought a war in EVE?. Or is this just another thread about how they would have lost if they had stared a war with every other alliance in eve all at the same time and fought on 200 differant fronts?. Cos if it is please find me an existing alliance that has picked a fight they were sure that they would lose. Keep it up brosef, just a few more brown-nosing posts and BoB will draft you up into their ranks for sure.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:50:00 - [460] Originally by: Bu Jinkan Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp Hey, remember when you told everyone in the Eve community that you're the lead designer of Grand Theft Auto, when in reality you just made missions for it? I bet you did the RC missions. Hey, did you know that your coworkers had a little party when you broke your leg? True story. Haha, I forgot about that. This thread just keeps on giving.

Nate Hammertown Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:52:00 - [461] EVERYBODY GO HOME \|)) =D-------
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:02:00 - [462] Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 24/07/2007 20:01:35 Originally by: DB Preacher I would personally see stuff like posting rl pictures of cyvok, emailing him at work, abusing rl relationships etc etc as oog. As in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. (that relates to kozak's and s4mp3r0r's posts as well as malachons). But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp How about when you did it to kugutseman then? dbp _____________________________________________ Aye, BoB members were also making that "basement living weirdo" accusation about Kugutseman from what I remember. And a certain idiot posted content from ASCN's internal forums on EVE-O, which contained information about Cyvok's private life. But that's a slightly different issue. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:04:00 - [463] Originally by: Kaeten Interesting read, however. This is not true. BOB aren't like any other alliance I'm afraid. When I was in Reikoku for 6 months EVERY single fleet fight we had we won. Outnumbered and outgunned we still won. The only fight we lost was 1 up in the nortyh when we accidently took a station. Nonetheless interesting read and view. You experienced a very narrow spectrum of RKK's fleet fights then. As Woody says they never have been invulnerable on the battlefield, there has just always been a lack of decent pvp'ers willing to fight them. They're good, very good, infact they're up there with the very best but they're certainly not infallible. They do work this image very well on the forums although they're inadvertently aided by the legion of fans so desperate to see them fail. I'm not a fan of dishing out judgment and surmising conclusions based on someones forum perception. I believe the things I experience personally and many of james315 points sit well based on my experiences with BoB. Alot of it just seems like propaganda penned to drum up anti-bob sentiment though. Keep it up :P
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:06:00 - [464] Interesting analysis and a nice read. Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom! -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Havoc GunStar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:06:00 - [465] Originally by: DB Preacher Do you fail to see the difference or do you choose to ignore the difference between questioning the character Cyvok about comments made on an alliance forum about the role an alliance plays in the game and someone calling us people who live in mommy's basement playing games for a living or someone posting rl pics of our members with inflammatory comments on them? dbp Correct me if I'm wrong, but a certain Alliance Leader posted personal RL information here in CAOD about a member of Pandemic Legion, yes? Also, I'm an "old timer", do I have to move on now too? OH GOD I'M SURROUNDED BY GOONS THIS GAME SUCKSAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa.. Oh wait, the game has never been more fun for me. Right-o then. Don't let the door hit you in the ass in XGH, and feel free to turn down the condescension a notch or two. *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the sig image) - Jacques([email protected])
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:17:00 - [466] Originally by: Kiko Goatbiter Edited by: Kiko Goatbiter on 24/07/2007 19:58:24 ^^ Like dis guy Goons are such terrible posters. Much like your....no, hang on. -- Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Arl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:24:00 - [467] Won't be long until BoB have to pay MC to save them again.
Kasigi Yabu	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:35:00 - [468] I think this is all a lot more simple than people are making it out to be. Bob has been shown how effective they really are without their supercapitals on godmode.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:38:00 - [469] Originally by: Kcel Chim I dont mind wild accusations flying around but please try to research your statements abit before posting walls of text. Im not flaming you but both statements with regards to bobs tactic are wrong. <snip> It was not bob running traderoutes with their titan and freighters, as far as im aware it was a traderun from fountain to venal used by D2. Something which is not shady at all. The traderoutes are there and they made use of the ships in game to run them properly. Note, its an alliance hostile to bob and i dont see an "borderline" tactic in it. Its like the old carrier route to curse which some northerners ran printing billions a week. <snip> Seems to me you would do well to follow your own advice. That BoB did it is well-documented on these fora. That the "trade route" has been "fixed" speaks volumes to be about whether it was "bugged" or not. Carry on... "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Bonessa Kuat Drive Yards	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:48:00 - [470] My goodness the goons are in fine form 2day

Tempest Kane Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:50:00 - [471] Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:59:00 - [472] Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence. Hi, how's life in Reikoku treating you? Well I hope. -----------------
Guint McBass Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:01:00 - [473] Originally by: Tempest Kane Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. What in the hell does this have to do with BoB's inability to kill any of our large POSs?
Cuddlypew GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:04:00 - [474] Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence. This man makes an accurate and insightful comment, doubtlessly drawn from his voluminous experience with the engagements BoB and RSF have fought over the last few months. It's pretty impressive how our small tower spamming has resulted in sovereignty switches.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:07:00 - [475] Originally by: Cuddlypew Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence. This man makes an accurate and insightful comment, doubtlessly drawn from his voluminous experience with the engagements BoB and RSF have fought over the last few months. It's pretty impressive how our small tower spamming has resulted in sovereignty switches. I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Havoc GunStar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:09:00 - [476] Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence. Ok, the second half of that makes so little sense, I can't even guess what you mean, but on the first half, we had to kill POS's to take back Sov. BoB outspammed with large towers in 9-9 and plugged the critical remaining empty moons with smalls. BoB is every bit as guilty at POS spamming as anyone else. But they don't have our awesome Logistics team, so they failed. *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the sig image) - Jacques([email protected])
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:13:00 - [477] Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. Yet RSF still had to deploy capitals to remove their large and small POSs before they could put their towers up -----------------
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:13:00 - [478] Man when DBP finally snaps its going to be great. Talk about owned.
Begall GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:17:00 - [479] Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. Glad to have your input on this matter, given your extensive RSF VS BOB fleet battle experience as well as your stunning ability to keep your nose so far from BoB's ass. Oh wai- Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:22:00 - [480] Nice read. Not what I would call objective, but to me it looks like there are some truth in the OP, and it was well written. Originally by: Arl Won't be long until BoB have to pay MC to save them again. Pay?

Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:25:00 - [481] Last in an epic thread. sup /b/
FGxHalsey Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:28:00 - [482] Band of Brothers announces its withdrawl from Omist: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=562642
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:32:00 - [483] Originally by: FGxHalsey Band of Brothers announces its withdrawl from Omist: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=562642 Quoting failure.
Cleveland Steam Neverland Ranch Hands	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:33:00 - [484] Plz dont nerf my sig again...
Keta Min Armoured Assassins	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:40:00 - [485] Originally by: FGxHalsey Band of Brothers announces its withdrawl from Omist: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=562642 fixed
Alaxen Caldari Confederation of Red Miners Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:03:00 - [486] Edited by: Alaxen on 24/07/2007 23:10:25 Originally by: Jenessa Pretty interesting read. Of course I imagine peoples opinions on it will differ wildly depending on whether they're pro or anti BoB. Didn't you read the quotation? It's not opinion! It's fact! Facts are stubborn things you see, and you cannot alter the state of facts and evidence!!! Facts and evidence!!! Edit: Just read the post actually. My bad. Clearly the John Adams quotation was in there solely to make it look exciting. It's clearly about as factual as a Jeffrey Archer testimony. --
Drgnvale Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:06:00 - [487] snip Off-Topic -TheDagda ([email protected])
Logan Williams VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:07:00 - [488] The first day in 3 months I really care enough about eve to check the forums and I'm smack on the end of a BoB thread. Joy
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:08:00 - [489] Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 24/07/2007 23:09:19 I took time to read the wall of text. The part about ASCN is completely spinned and yet again a sad try to blame the usual few while patting yourself on the back "it wasnt my fault I am a victim afterall". Honestly u have a problem with bob, here is 4 easy steps: 1. close eve-o 2. open map, type 77s 3. set autopilot, travel 4. x for gang ... 5. profit and stop wasting so much energies lieing to yourself. Seriously James you used to be a decent guy dont make an ass of yourself now :\ - Gob edit: typo Stealth bombers work!
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:21:00 - [490] Edited by: NATMav on 24/07/2007 23:21:31 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp Dbp you might not have noticed it but BoB started this trend, the trend of complete disrespect for the enemy and gloating for the grief you can cause. Fine. Personally I dont think it was wrong per se, but you guys decided to start a trend and now complain when its coming back in your face - that is rather cheap. - Gob Gob, how dare you come onto EVE-O spewing that load of complete and utter wisdom. Wylker and Alice Cholmondeley are my fanclub. \0/

Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:37:00 - [491] Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. So the long and short of your post is that bob are cowards
Nimdok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:39:00 - [492] Originally by: Torshin One of my favorite aspects of the game is small 5-30 man gangs running around and engaging fleets of similar sizes. This is a bit of a whine against fleets and lag and all that jazz. But I think game mechanics should be altered to increase effectiveness of small gangs not increase effectiveness of huge blobs of non-capital ships. I find it humorous that you bemoan the fact that a small gang of players can not accomplish anything worthwhile in the current game when a small group of 6-7 goons camping your home systems in Omist basically eradicated your past alliance's dream of 0.0 space.
Puncher hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:41:00 - [493] Well, since this thread is now rife with -dbp spammage, I vote that we end this one and move on to the next... Bring on part 2 James! hirr Morsus Mihi
Cleveland Steam Neverland Ranch Hands	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:41:00 - [494] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. So the long and short of your post is that bob are cowards Or you could say they're trying to play smart. The risk wasnt worth it to them, I'd imagine. Anyways...wtf were you flying? A griffin? Calling someone a coward for not putting tons on the line when you yourself do not is kind of hypocritical. Plz dont nerf my sig again...
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:45:00 - [495] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Murina Good god another i hate BOB post, how about getting the OP to post how BOB should have fought a war in EVE?. Or is this just another thread about how they would have lost if they had stared a war with every other alliance in eve all at the same time and fought on 200 differant fronts?. Cos if it is please find me an existing alliance that has picked a fight they were sure that they would lose. Keep it up brosef, just a few more brown-nosing posts and BoB will draft you up into their ranks for sure. Well how should BOB have fought their wars in EVE to keep you guys happy?. I am honestly interested in how the ppl who slag off BOB think they should have fought their wars, play the game or use their influence. Cos all i see here are a lot of comments about how this or that was wrong but no examples to how it should be done. Oh and i have no interest in joining BOB and you could'nt pay me enough to join goon although i do respect some of the allies they have.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:51:00 - [496] Originally by: Cleveland Steam Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. So the long and short of your post is that bob are cowards Or you could say they're trying to play smart. The risk wasnt worth it to them, I'd imagine. Anyways...wtf were you flying? A griffin? Calling someone a coward for not putting tons on the line when you yourself do not is kind of hypocritical. Oh I haven't logged in since like, january for anything but skills. The 15 a month is for the forums. Originally by: DB Preacher We never attacked the real life player behind cyvok. We attacked the character Cyvok and the speeches he made as the character Cyvok. That's the fine line we have always tried to maintain and some people understand that but I can see how some people will misinterpret it as simple oog abuse. It is indeed a fine line. I would personally see stuff like posting rl pictures of cyvok, emailing him at work, abusing rl relationships etc etc as oog. As in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. (that relates to kozak's and s4mp3r0r's posts as well as malachons). But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp Hey what about that time where you guys posted the real name and contact information of a player and then called his office and tried to get him fired
Cleveland Steam Neverland Ranch Hands	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:52:00 - [497] Originally by: Murina Cos all i see here are a lot of comments about how this or that was wrong but no examples to how it should be done. Sounds like the US Congress. Plz dont nerf my sig again...
Joycalyn REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:55:00 - [498] Oh the follies of BoB, how I savor thee. James 315: Excellent posts good sir. I enjoyed the reading.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:13:00 - [499] Originally by: Cleveland Steam Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. So the long and short of your post is that bob are cowards Or you could say they're trying to play smart. The risk wasnt worth it to them, I'd imagine. Anyways...wtf were you flying? A griffin? Calling someone a coward for not putting tons on the line when you yourself do not is kind of hypocritical. Let me ask my question again: How did Goonfleet remove the BoB towers they needed to regain sovereignty over several system? -----------------
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:13:00 - [500] Originally by: Cleveland Steam Originally by: Murina Cos all i see here are a lot of comments about how this or that was wrong but no examples to how it should be done. Sounds like the US Congress. LOL fair comment although revised to any governing body and oposition tbh.

Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:14:00 - [501] Is this thread still going? Shows if nothing else that everyone loves a good ASCN/BoB thread. p.s. anyone with any intell on the situation with know that its all Grimpak's fault we lost in any event.
insolace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:19:00 - [502] This just in- Goonswarm has acquired another wealthy source of strategic importance: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0707/tribute2.wmv
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:22:00 - [503] Originally by: Murina I am honestly interested in how the ppl who slag off BOB think they should have fought their wars, play the game or use their influence. Refuelling their POS's would have been a start.
Xianthar STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:50:00 - [504] Originally by: Backdoor Bandit I don't like where this is going! screw the rest of the thread....you win eve....if you need me i'll be cleaning the beer i spit up out of my keyboard.... -xian Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:54:00 - [505] Originally by: Alias11 Hey what about that time where you guys posted the real name and contact information of a player and then called his office and tried to get him fired Only to find out that the dude you were trying to get fired was in fact the dude you were talking to, coz the guy was his own boss? Ooohhh, that musta been embarrassing... -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Kyrie Elaison GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:56:00 - [506] Voted 5. DB "We'll grief the goons out of the game" Preacher whining about the lack of civility in COAD broke the irony meter. Sweet pubbie tears, indeed.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:03:00 - [507] Edited by: Orangir on 25/07/2007 01:03:22 Originally by: Murina Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Murina I am honestly interested in how the ppl who slag off BOB think they should have fought their wars, play the game or use their influence. Refuelling their POS's would have been a start. Im talking about the OP's tactical view on BOB's rise and wars. Not the POS's you popped cos they did'nt realy bother to defend or fuel them. I think the best tactical stance BoB could take is one of casual disregard. They really need to take a step back, analyze their situtation, and ask themselves: "Did we really want those regions anyway?". After some introspection I'm sure they'll find that losing those POSes, stations, and regions doesn't matter because they simply didn't want them in the first place! Really, all of that space may have just been bogging down their true PvP backbones, and by allowing the RSF to approach even closer to the heart of their empire, the sleeping giant will soon be awakened. It's simple really.
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:05:00 - [508] Originally by: Murina Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Murina I am honestly interested in how the ppl who slag off BOB think they should have fought their wars, play the game or use their influence. Refuelling their POS's would have been a start. Im talking about the OP's tactical view on BOB's rise and wars. Not the POS's you popped cos they did'nt realy bother to defend or fuel them. Ah well that explains everything, thanks for this.
Mel Keslan Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:06:00 - [509] Posting in a DBP burnout thread. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:13:00 - [510] Hey DBP, was there ever a day when you just woke up, hopped on EVE-O and realised that no one was buying your bull**** anymore? or was it more of a gradual slide into self-delusion and you can't really pinpoint the precise moment you lost it? Personally i think it was when you were nominated for best fiction writer, Remember that?

Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:15:00 - [511] Originally by: Murina Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Murina I am honestly interested in how the ppl who slag off BOB think they should have fought their wars, play the game or use their influence. Refuelling their POS's would have been a start. Im talking about the OP's tactical view on BOB's rise and wars. Not the POS's you popped cos they did'nt realy bother to defend or fuel them. I don't know why Tolon makes such a big deal out of those towers, BoB didn't want them anyway. -----------------
Guint McBass Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:34:00 - [512] The fact that this thread is only the first of 3 parts is fantastic. dbp is gonna commit suicide by part 3
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:56:00 - [513] Originally by: Guint McBass The fact that this thread is only the first of 3 parts is fantastic. dbp is gonna commit suicide by part 3 Thread 1: Originally by: DB Preacher GRRRR -dbp Thread 2: Originally by: DB Preacher GRRRR GRRR GRRRR -dpb Thread 3: Originally by: DB Preacher DB - G¼ÿESKspo_ons~@LAn0LAPA{SISÖ p-db Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 02:01:00 - [514] Originally by: Guint McBass dbp is gonna commit suicide by part 3 Wonder if we could add that to our killboard. _________________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
Buzee Flight Of Fantasy	Posted - 2007.07.25 02:05:00 - [515] Originally by: DB Preacher But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp Lol, some people just use a further line than you do
Caius Proximus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:14:00 - [516] I don't have a report typed up but they're pretty awful at World in Conflict too fyi
Diomedes Godshill Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:24:00 - [517] Edited by: Diomedes Godshill on 25/07/2007 03:24:42 lol
Mordarx VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:41:00 - [518] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 Good read and almost 100% accurate. Just a couple corrections. At the time when BoB attacked ASCN, it is true that I was almost never online, thanks to RL commitments in the US Air Force. However, I never countermanded the orders to attack Bob in Fountain. The problem was that no one would join ASCN to fight and we did not have enough core PvPers to mount a real steady 2 front war against BoB on our own. We would have if AXE had any backbone, or D2 could have put aside their grudges, but as it turned out, my good friend Steel Rat apparently had other plans. I knew I should have taken those Crayons away from him! Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already. But as you stated, they are expert at image engineering and convinced everyone that BoB would win and destroy them all if they joined forces with ASCN. Oddly enough, no one joined the fight alongside ASCN and they all (but one) were destroyed anyway... None-the-less, very good post, well thought out and relatively accurate with my knowledge of the timeline and events. -CYVOK- PS. I would also be careful not to count BoB out just yet, history will show that as soon as you determine you have won, you have already lost. Dude, you are so full of **** you should run for public office. Wait a minute, John Howard, is that you? Somehow I think you got what was coming to you.
Factor Benz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 04:01:00 - [519] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Murina Good god another i hate BOB post, how about getting the OP to post how BOB should have fought a war in EVE?. Or is this just another thread about how they would have lost if they had stared a war with every other alliance in eve all at the same time and fought on 200 differant fronts?. Cos if it is please find me an existing alliance that has picked a fight they were sure that they would lose. Keep it up brosef, just a few more brown-nosing posts and BoB will draft you up into their ranks for sure. Well how should BOB have fought their wars in EVE to keep you guys happy?. I am honestly interested in how the ppl who slag off BOB think they should have fought their wars, play the game or use their influence. Cos all i see here are a lot of comments about how this or that was wrong but no examples to how it should be done. Oh and i have no interest in joining BOB and you could'nt pay me enough to join goon although i do respect some of the allies they have. You couldn't join goon regardless. Sorry.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.25 04:17:00 - [520] Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. Yet RSF still had to deploy capitals to remove their large and small POSs before they could put their towers up I believe i stated that RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage and willingness to deploy capitals to create a huge advantage ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.

Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.25 04:18:00 - [521] Originally by: Stahlregen Hey DBP, was there ever a day when you just woke up, hopped on EVE-O and realised that no one was buying your bull** anymore? or was it more of a gradual slide into self-delusion and you can't really pinpoint the precise moment you lost it? Personally i think it was when you were nominated for best fiction writer, Remember that? Thats assuming hes even aware that ppl arent listening to him... Most of BoB arent... or dont care... As long as they can toss smack, theyre happy lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. We have never, nor will we ever, hack, ddos, or otherwise use OUT OF GAME means to gain ANY advantage.**- Dianabolic
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.25 04:21:00 - [522] Originally by: Nimdok Originally by: Torshin One of my favorite aspects of the game is small 5-30 man gangs running around and engaging fleets of similar sizes. This is a bit of a whine against fleets and lag and all that jazz. But I think game mechanics should be altered to increase effectiveness of small gangs not increase effectiveness of huge blobs of non-capital ships. I find it humorous that you bemoan the fact that a small gang of players can not accomplish anything worthwhile in the current game when a small group of 6-7 goons camping your home systems in Omist basically eradicated your past alliance's dream of 0.0 space. no where in my post did i mention that small gangs can not accomplish anything worthwhile. I just feel that the current trend in game play changes have increased focus on blobs and removed focus from small roaming gangs. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Blitter Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:20:00 - [523] Edited by: Blitter on 25/07/2007 05:20:13 How to tell the OP is a goon alt: he uses "Redswarm Fed" instead of "goonie meat shield" and he has a basic grasp of spelling and grammar. My favorite part is DBP confusing normal posting habits of the game's biggest alliance with spam. Lifting the posting ban on 2000 goons, who are by definition natural forum warriors, has made this place so much more entertaining.
Schlieren Altiprlayle GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:29:00 - [524] Originally by: Blitter Lifting the posting ban on 2000 goons, who are by definition natural forum warriors, has made this place so much more entertaining. on the other hand i cannot wait until we stop fighting bob so our collective posts stop making us look like complete jerks and we can go back to just being unfunny bandwagoning zeta male morons ____________________________ stop posting
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:31:00 - [525] Originally by: Blitter My favorite part is DBP confusing normal posting habits of the game's biggest alliance with spam. Lifting the posting ban on 2000 goons, who are by definition natural forum warriors, has made this place so much more entertaining. Spamming is when an alliance posts many many times on a page other than the first page of the thread. It's also not spam if you all do it in unison under orders from Molle.
VinceNoir Amarr The Rapture	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:33:00 - [526] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. YOU ARE A DISAPPOINTMENT TO ALL OF CCP APOLOGIZE TO THE PLAYERS AND THEN GET OUT OF THE SYSTEM I AM ADMIRAL CHARIZARD AND MY WORD IS LAW. ^DIANABOLIC HIT ME UP ON AIM LATER DAWG PEACE OUT GANGSTA^ chArIzArd thUg 4 lyf went away at 15:45:32 chArIzArd thUg 4 lyf returned at 15:55:43 OH HEY PLAYAS JUS LETTIN U KNOW DA POS BOLWING STUFF IZ GONNA B AN EXPLOIT IN TWO WEEKZ YA HEARD NOW IM OUT 4 REAL chArIzArd thUg 4 lyf went away at 15:59:07 I blocked that guy ages ago, he is a fgt. at 'ChArIzArD tHuG 4 lyf' Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:48:00 - [527] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Blitter My favorite part is DBP confusing normal posting habits of the game's biggest alliance with spam. Lifting the posting ban on 2000 goons, who are by definition natural forum warriors, has made this place so much more entertaining. Spamming is when an alliance posts many many times on a page other than the first page of the thread. It's also not spam if you all do it in unison under orders from Molle. is this spam?
Lizhia Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:48:00 - [528] I think its simply awful that you cant even give eachother a circle jerk anylonger on CAOD.. Where are all those decent "Who is the best PvPer", "Name the top 5 PvPers" and "Which alliance is teh best"? Those were always nice. You had the same people nominating eachother in all the threads ^-^ And while I am at it, I might as well quote one of DBP's favorite replies and this is a exact quote: "" You don't like oneliners? What about no-liners, those okay? Those respectful enough? Well.. If you belive that hard enough, perhaps it will come true in you head?
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:52:00 - [529] Originally by: Lee Bian is this spam? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA yes! Stop it!
SaKoil GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 06:44:00 - [530] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. Yet RSF still had to deploy capitals to remove their large and small POSs before they could put their towers up I believe i stated that RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage and willingness to deploy capitals to create a huge advantage Our willingness to actually fight is the new login trap.


Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.25 06:54:00 - [531] Right. This is getting way off topic, so I'm going to locky lock it before it gets even worse. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website



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