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Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:36:00 - [421] Originally by: Mihailo Great Originally by: Torshin That isn't directly what I was refering to. I meant the effectiveness of the small scale gang in a largescale war. Like using small gangs to disable guns and station services. That is how it should have been. Now its HUGE gangs needed to disable these features. Try to keep up with the dev blogs, and if you were a long time player you'd know that CCP adds new features cautiously. They didn't want a gang running around killing everyone's pos after patch downtime. Can you imagine the hatemail from every alliance director? Most devs agree that pos guns and station services take too much time to kill. Yet, at the same time, tools other than camping stargates 23/7 have to be given to alliances to counter cloaking/roaming gangs. Please stop taking such a negative tone as im replying constructively. I do agree that CCP introduces changes very cautiously but I feel that they are introducing the wrong sort of changes into game play mechanics. They are emphasing the strength and need of large scale enities and alliances. Its an intersting concept that was being discussed earlier whether its the changes of CCP or just the social evolution of the game thats causing this. What I mean is it increasing the importance of the people ordering people around and decreasing the individuals purpose. Personally I feel that game changes a long time ago caused huge fundemental changes in social needs which are now taking effect. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Exelsior The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:39:00 - [422] All of you people who are flaming the OP should open your eyes. So much of what he said is true it's not even funny, and all you do is parade your ignorance.
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:43:00 - [423] dpb stop signing your posts
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:43:00 - [424] Originally by: Psilocin Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 24/07/2007 17:10:38 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Bob focuses on quality and skill over numbers Why Bob included the Shinra to Evolution, then ? Dude, have you seen Chowdown's k:d ratio? It's wicked! Err... Chowdown liked to fry the void (to TCF pilots' eyes). The Enslaver was a psychopath, not Chow. -=-=-
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:45:00 - [425] Originally by: Nlewis dpb stop signing your posts Am I the only one to think that this post kicks ass? :p - BH
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:46:00 - [426] Originally by: Torshin Please stop taking such a negative tone as im replying constructively. Sorry if I appeared to be, I was not, must be the Goon alliance ticker working it's charm The rest of what you said, isn't coherent with what you started discussing, but I'll bite anyhow. Originally by: Torshin What I mean is it increasing the importance of the people ordering people around and decreasing the individuals purpose. This doesn't make sense, because back then, you didn't have to do much to keep an alliance afloat, that's why some alliances were unprepared to the level of commitement required in this war even after revelations 1. Revelations 2 made it even more important to be highly organized. Now people have tasks to do, and skills to learn for the alliance to survive. How is that decreasing an individual's purpose? More than ever, people have to start working together to survive. Eve is a game of building empires, not of wandering elves and orcs.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:48:00 - [427] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Nlewis dpb stop signing your posts Am I the only one to think that this post kicks ass? :p No. Maybe this is the time where someone tells -dbp that the character name is actually displayed at the upper left side of every post.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:50:00 - [428] Originally by: Mihailo Great Originally by: Torshin Please stop taking such a negative tone as im replying constructively. Sorry if I appeared to be, I was not, must be the Goon alliance ticker working it's charm The rest of what you said, isn't coherent with what you started discussing, but I'll bite anyhow. Originally by: Torshin What I mean is it increasing the importance of the people ordering people around and decreasing the individuals purpose. This doesn't make sense, because back then, you didn't have to do much to keep an alliance afloat, that's why some alliances were unprepared to the level of commitement required in this war even after revelations 1. Revelations 2 made it even more important to be highly organized. Now people have tasks to do, and skills to learn for the alliance to survive. How is that decreasing an individual's purpose? More than ever, people have to start working together to survive. Eve is a game of building empires, not of wandering elves and orcs. Very intersting. I like the part about building empires. I'm going to take some time to get my thoughts together and then I will contact you in-game to continue this. If you get a chance take a look at DS thread on SHC about being bored with eve. Its a killer long and boring thread but is a very intersting look at the evolution of EVE. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:15:00 - [429] DB actually signs his posts twice. Once with DBP. Once with stupidity. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:18:00 - [430] Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:21:00 - [431] Thanks for proving mine. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:29:00 - [432] Childish, both of you -=-=-
Dirtball Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:29:00 - [433] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: DB Preacher Indeed and pretty much a major reason why alot of "old timers" are moving on. The general degradation of the game community as a fun place to be where light-hearted, pompous outrageousness was part and parcel of the forums has been replaced with oog attacks and simple, direct kiddiespam abuse. /me shrugs At least it was fun while it lasted :) dbp is this a fakepost because if it is it's one of the funniest thing i've read on these forums. if it's not it's still funny, but on a whole different level Don't worry kid, only the "old timers" around will understand the post so I wouldn't waste time trying to decipher it ;) Just laugh and mock it as normal. dbp i understand your post as being crap. The old timers were/are a bunch of serf/sheep idiots that believed the hype, Goonswarm are the best thing that's happened to eve.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:35:00 - [434] Originally by: fire 59 <snip> Congrats where it's due but jumping around, bawking about victory at this stage doesn't make sense. Wait until your standing over the corpse of the enemy alliance, otherwise, when the tides of war shift once again as they have a habit of doing, you will be standing there with egg on your face and wondering what has happened. Just chill and enjoy the ride Word. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:37:00 - [435] Quote: We never attacked the real life player behind cyvok. We attacked the character Cyvok and the speeches he made as the character Cyvok. OMG, are you for real? Not even you can possible expect anyone to believe this! _________________________________________________________
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:45:00 - [436] "This game is all about scale and giving everyone something to do. The biggest problem is that alot of people want to be at the absolute top of the heap but they haven't played through everything else or experienced what it is like to spend months scrapping with an equally sized opponent or taken a merc contract out to chase someone around etc etc. You simply can't go from bottom > top in a few months and truly understand the intricate nature of the game. "Titans are only available for the largest 0.0 alliances in the game. They should be the pinnacle of an alliance's work throughout the game to this date. It is of no surprise to me that the only alliances who have been able to build these are the ones who essentially have been here from the start in one form or another, and more importantly, their leaders have experienced every single part of the game and have grown with it. "An alliance who doesn't have a titan should be concentrating on one of two areas of the game. First option: Make the choice to build up to a titan, fight little wars, challenge small alliances, make friends etc. Look at corps like those in The Star Fraction, corps like Pie/Ushra Khan. They have an excellent sense of themselves and haven't skipped out stages to jump straight in at the deep end. "Second option: Jump straight into the deep end (and I'm not saying this is a bad option but you have to understand your limits). If you do jump straight into the deep end work alongside alliances who have been there from the start and have the experience to use titans, to use capital fleets, to manage 1000+ players in a fight. Don't jump straight in and think you are immediately equal to everyone because you are not. "Eve is a game, find your level and have fun but don't get upset if it isn't immediately at the top of the pile challenging titans, if you work up to it you will see that titans are absolutely perfect as they are and I think that about ours and our enemies titans. "On a slightly separate note, it's too easy for peeps these days to put the blinkers on when they see my name or my alliance but I have no desire or need for alliance chat on here, this is general discussion and peeps should look at it as such... an area to chat about stuff without bringing in stupid COAD rubbish in here otherwise I'll just start posting on an alt, I don't really care. Take the blinkers off chaps and start treating the general discussion forum with the respect it deserves."
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:48:00 - [437] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Childish, both of you :) Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Gallente Picante Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:15:00 - [438] Is DBP still replying to people? Please reply to me too DBP, I have several topics listed below for you to choose from: 1. BoB then 2. BoB now 3. BoB then and now 4. A future without BoB 5. A future with BoB 6. Top hats on animals
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:21:00 - [439] Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp quoted for post signing truth
jeffb GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:21:00 - [440] dbp complaining about the tactics bob pioneered being used effectively against them?

Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:23:00 - [441] DB in hamster sex crime scandal? Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:25:00 - [442] Nobodies saying we have already won or anything. There are a couple of reasons for chestbeating: a) The people need to know whats going on, after all bob don't seem to be making many threads about their recent* failures. b) Maybe we will start getting a better fight if we annoy bob enough by telling them to "bring it", because frankly, I think a lot of us are disappointed that the main bob tactic of the last 3 months has been market -> buy -> large pos. And jesus christ, any bob pet fanboi needs to read blacklights old blogs or the old caod threads to realise why goons dislike bob, it's got nothing to do with what happens ingame, it's all about bob trying to smear our out of game community and the real people behind it.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:26:00 - [443] Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp it's pretty funny how your refusing to respond to accusations in these threads is just like how your alliance is refusing to deploy capitals against us.
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:26:00 - [444] Originally by: Angelus Damelon this certainly is a thread Source?
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:39:00 - [445] Originally by: TrevorReznik Originally by: Angelus Damelon this certainly is a thread Source? mostly hearsay and conjecture, I can neither confirm nor deny that this is actually a thread
Alte Schabracke University of Caille	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:42:00 - [446] I must admit, I find it quite refreshing to see the same smack slosh now in BOBs direction that normally comes from BOB themself. 1st The Titan loss 2nd Xelas 3rd the stalement/step backwards in the east 4th the Evol Heist Interesting times, seems you hired alot of average from LV or are you gettin old ?
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:45:00 - [447] Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. Mittani took it too far, and there isn't a single person in goonswarm who would disagree with that. Now he's gone
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:47:00 - [448] Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 24/07/2007 19:46:20 Originally by: TWD You know what else is over the top? Trying to infiltrate the gaming company making the game to gain an advantage. cough Mittani. Mittani took it too far, there isn't a single person in goonswarm who would disagree with that, and he was gone after being CEO for less than 3 weeks. What did he do? DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:48:00 - [449] Originally by: Crivens Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp it's pretty funny how your refusing to respond to accusations in these threads is just like how your alliance is refusing to deploy capitals against us. {{Needs citation\|date=post-desynch-fixing-patch}} I've been afraid to drop my carrier on top of hostiles in the midst of all this desynch bull**; you expect them to roll out moms and titans? They did it once and lost a Titan for their trouble. As soon as everybody's reassured themselves that desynch is truly dead, you'll see large-scale capital deployments again. Please note: I've been deploying my carrier this whole time, despite desynchs. But that's because I'm a foolhardy, killmail-whoring, bloodthirsty idiot. --P Kosh*: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.*
Wodin Drukvik GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:57:00 - [450] Edited by: Wodin Drukvik on 24/07/2007 19:57:14 Originally by: Tempest Kane Unlike most alliances bob dosnt carry dead weight around, every single member is commited to what their doing Actually, the last few people who joined EVOL are pretty revealing as to what is and is not considered "dead weight" in this day and age.



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