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Kiko Goatbiter Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:58:00 - [451] Edited by: Kiko Goatbiter on 24/07/2007 19:58:24 ^^ Like dis guy Goons are such terrible posters.
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:01:00 - [452] Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 24/07/2007 20:01:35 Originally by: DB Preacher I would personally see stuff like posting rl pictures of cyvok, emailing him at work, abusing rl relationships etc etc as oog. As in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. (that relates to kozak's and s4mp3r0r's posts as well as malachons). But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp How about when you did it to kugutseman then? dbp _____________________________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:02:00 - [453] Originally by: Pilk I've been afraid to drop my carrier on top of hostiles in the midst of all this desynch bull****; you expect them to roll out moms and titans? They did it once and lost a Titan for their trouble. As soon as everybody's reassured themselves that desynch is truly dead, you'll see large-scale capital deployments again. You're insinuating that Shrike died to desync, when Molle himself has clearly stated otherwise. And I'd say that BoB's failure to deploy a real capital fleet is much more attributable to the new vulnerability of Titans, which has made subcapital fleets relevant again. Without a Titan to clear the field of tacklers and non-capital DPS, a BoB capital fleet might actually die. It's actually a fairly smart decision, tactically; do what you can to slow RSF in Omist (which no one really wants and no one ever really defends) in subcapital fleets, hoping that constellation sov will allow Feyth / Esoteria to be shored up by then. Given how rabidly they denied that desyncs were even occurring (TCF thread) for quite some time, trying to retroactively attribute their lack of cap deployment to the desync issue is kind of silly.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:27:00 - [454] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 D2 could have put aside their grudges Even after the G/ASCN war, you might have gotten help. EC-P8R sealed your fate. Correct. I've said as much in this forum many times. It wasn't just D2 who had no interest in lifting a finger to help ASCN after that particular escapade. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:31:00 - [455] Originally by: Tempest Kane Take your propaganda and smoke it. You think you have won something due to taking a few systems on your front door? lol. BOB win battle after battle, night after night, month after month and nothing is said of the victory. You win for a few nights, take a few systems and all of a suddern its top of the news and theirs esays about it. Words mean nothing. We will see what happens. I have no doubt in my mind who the victor will be in the end. Oh and Red, i know your wallets starting to hurt, with all that isk selling and the lack of making it and bug plex's to keep you going.. gota be hurting. When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:36:00 - [456] Originally by: Avernus <snip> If you do try to look it up, you're going to have a tough time finding FIX replies anywhere on these forums from that time period. FIX was the first alliance that didn't come here to cry when BoB set their sights on them. You will find a lot of conjecture by non-FIX however. If you want to look up the forums further back than the BoB-FIX conflict, you'll find ample reading on how others reacted; very differently from how FIX took the situation in hand. I don't think that's entirely true. I don't recall FA being all that vocal and we came before you, if you count the ATUK invasion (which BoB's own pilots have done). I remember being absolutely gobsmacked when you guys became "friends" though. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:39:00 - [457] Good god another i hate BOB post, how about getting the OP to post how BOB should have fought a war in EVE?. Or is this just another thread about how they would have lost if they had stared a war with every other alliance in eve all at the same time and fought on 200 differant fronts?. Cos if it is please find me an existing alliance that has picked a fight they were sure that they would lose.
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:44:00 - [458] Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp Hey, remember when you told everyone in the Eve community that you're the lead designer of Grand Theft Auto, when in reality you just made missions for it? I bet you did the RC missions. Hey, did you know that your coworkers had a little party when you broke your leg? True story.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:47:00 - [459] Originally by: Murina Good god another i hate BOB post, how about getting the OP to post how BOB should have fought a war in EVE?. Or is this just another thread about how they would have lost if they had stared a war with every other alliance in eve all at the same time and fought on 200 differant fronts?. Cos if it is please find me an existing alliance that has picked a fight they were sure that they would lose. Keep it up brosef, just a few more brown-nosing posts and BoB will draft you up into their ranks for sure.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:50:00 - [460] Originally by: Bu Jinkan Originally by: DB Preacher Thanks for proving the point again chaps ;) dbp Hey, remember when you told everyone in the Eve community that you're the lead designer of Grand Theft Auto, when in reality you just made missions for it? I bet you did the RC missions. Hey, did you know that your coworkers had a little party when you broke your leg? True story. Haha, I forgot about that. This thread just keeps on giving.

Nate Hammertown Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:52:00 - [461] EVERYBODY GO HOME \|)) =D-------
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:02:00 - [462] Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 24/07/2007 20:01:35 Originally by: DB Preacher I would personally see stuff like posting rl pictures of cyvok, emailing him at work, abusing rl relationships etc etc as oog. As in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. (that relates to kozak's and s4mp3r0r's posts as well as malachons). But it's simple semantics really, we always know where we are drawing the line. Other don't have a line and will take it as far as they possibly can in order to try and grief people out of the game anyway they can. dbp How about when you did it to kugutseman then? dbp _____________________________________________ Aye, BoB members were also making that "basement living weirdo" accusation about Kugutseman from what I remember. And a certain idiot posted content from ASCN's internal forums on EVE-O, which contained information about Cyvok's private life. But that's a slightly different issue. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:04:00 - [463] Originally by: Kaeten Interesting read, however. This is not true. BOB aren't like any other alliance I'm afraid. When I was in Reikoku for 6 months EVERY single fleet fight we had we won. Outnumbered and outgunned we still won. The only fight we lost was 1 up in the nortyh when we accidently took a station. Nonetheless interesting read and view. You experienced a very narrow spectrum of RKK's fleet fights then. As Woody says they never have been invulnerable on the battlefield, there has just always been a lack of decent pvp'ers willing to fight them. They're good, very good, infact they're up there with the very best but they're certainly not infallible. They do work this image very well on the forums although they're inadvertently aided by the legion of fans so desperate to see them fail. I'm not a fan of dishing out judgment and surmising conclusions based on someones forum perception. I believe the things I experience personally and many of james315 points sit well based on my experiences with BoB. Alot of it just seems like propaganda penned to drum up anti-bob sentiment though. Keep it up :P
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:06:00 - [464] Interesting analysis and a nice read. Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom! -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Havoc GunStar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:06:00 - [465] Originally by: DB Preacher Do you fail to see the difference or do you choose to ignore the difference between questioning the character Cyvok about comments made on an alliance forum about the role an alliance plays in the game and someone calling us people who live in mommy's basement playing games for a living or someone posting rl pics of our members with inflammatory comments on them? dbp Correct me if I'm wrong, but a certain Alliance Leader posted personal RL information here in CAOD about a member of Pandemic Legion, yes? Also, I'm an "old timer", do I have to move on now too? OH GOD I'M SURROUNDED BY GOONS THIS GAME SUCKSAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa.. Oh wait, the game has never been more fun for me. Right-o then. Don't let the door hit you in the ass in XGH, and feel free to turn down the condescension a notch or two. *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the sig image) - Jacques([email protected])
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:17:00 - [466] Originally by: Kiko Goatbiter Edited by: Kiko Goatbiter on 24/07/2007 19:58:24 ^^ Like dis guy Goons are such terrible posters. Much like your....no, hang on. -- Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Arl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:24:00 - [467] Won't be long until BoB have to pay MC to save them again.
Kasigi Yabu	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:35:00 - [468] I think this is all a lot more simple than people are making it out to be. Bob has been shown how effective they really are without their supercapitals on godmode.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:38:00 - [469] Originally by: Kcel Chim I dont mind wild accusations flying around but please try to research your statements abit before posting walls of text. Im not flaming you but both statements with regards to bobs tactic are wrong. <snip> It was not bob running traderoutes with their titan and freighters, as far as im aware it was a traderun from fountain to venal used by D2. Something which is not shady at all. The traderoutes are there and they made use of the ships in game to run them properly. Note, its an alliance hostile to bob and i dont see an "borderline" tactic in it. Its like the old carrier route to curse which some northerners ran printing billions a week. <snip> Seems to me you would do well to follow your own advice. That BoB did it is well-documented on these fora. That the "trade route" has been "fixed" speaks volumes to be about whether it was "bugged" or not. Carry on... "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Bonessa Kuat Drive Yards	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:48:00 - [470] My goodness the goons are in fine form 2day

Tempest Kane Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:50:00 - [471] Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:59:00 - [472] Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence. Hi, how's life in Reikoku treating you? Well I hope. -----------------
Guint McBass Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:01:00 - [473] Originally by: Tempest Kane Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. What in the hell does this have to do with BoB's inability to kill any of our large POSs?
Cuddlypew GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:04:00 - [474] Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence. This man makes an accurate and insightful comment, doubtlessly drawn from his voluminous experience with the engagements BoB and RSF have fought over the last few months. It's pretty impressive how our small tower spamming has resulted in sovereignty switches.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:07:00 - [475] Originally by: Cuddlypew Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence. This man makes an accurate and insightful comment, doubtlessly drawn from his voluminous experience with the engagements BoB and RSF have fought over the last few months. It's pretty impressive how our small tower spamming has resulted in sovereignty switches. I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Havoc GunStar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:09:00 - [476] Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Berrik Radhok When is the last time BoB blew up a large GoonSwarm POS? Lets take this comment in context, when atleast 85% of the Pos's posted in systems that currently have goon sov on them are Small Pos's due to the current policy of pos-spam to achive "tactical victorys" in the short run by throwing isk at problem rather than making a decisive strike, i think you have to ask yourself why most targeted pos's are infact not large at all. To be fair the poster has a fair commnet, to date Goon for what its worth in whatever context you take the above statment have allways managed to screw enougth for their big russian comrades to come save the day and make them look half decent @ defence. Ok, the second half of that makes so little sense, I can't even guess what you mean, but on the first half, we had to kill POS's to take back Sov. BoB outspammed with large towers in 9-9 and plugged the critical remaining empty moons with smalls. BoB is every bit as guilty at POS spamming as anyone else. But they don't have our awesome Logistics team, so they failed. *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the sig image) - Jacques([email protected])
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:13:00 - [477] Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. Yet RSF still had to deploy capitals to remove their large and small POSs before they could put their towers up -----------------
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:13:00 - [478] Man when DBP finally snaps its going to be great. Talk about owned.
Begall GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:17:00 - [479] Originally by: Torshin I think the true answer lies in the fact that BOB feared to deploy dreads and capitals on a large scale during the whole desync issues. If this latest patch has cleared that up, I wouldn't be suprised to see their dreads on the field once again. The RED WANG SWARM FEDERATION took advantage of numbers and willingness to deploy capitals and created a huge advantage out of it and have quickly put BOB on the back foot. Glad to have your input on this matter, given your extensive RSF VS BOB fleet battle experience as well as your stunning ability to keep your nose so far from BoB's ass. Oh wai- Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:22:00 - [480] Nice read. Not what I would call objective, but to me it looks like there are some truth in the OP, and it was well written. Originally by: Arl Won't be long until BoB have to pay MC to save them again. Pay?



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