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Sun Ra Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:03:00 - [271] Difference between BoB and RA is that RA guys play for RL money so their sisters wont have to be sold as sex slaves while BoB play for fun and pride, as for Goons they are just a meat shield for RA isk for cash business ATUF RIP - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Lube Myholes Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:06:00 - [272] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 There are no goons dbp fixed it for you
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:19:00 - [273] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 24/07/2007 09:21:04 Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Had you not logofski'd in the titan then ASCN might not have had a crushing destruction of its moral. Errr it was a normal logoff that people do when they stop playing, it was not a logoffski as it was not under any pressure or hostile fire at the time. Anyway, as to the OP, a lot of this seems fairly accurate from my recollections and is an interesting read, if a bit biased (but then what post isn't). Edited out the rest for the sake of the forums :) .
Straife Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:22:00 - [274] I think that someone forgot to mention the fact that before they decided to take on 9-9 and southern Tenerifis they attacked KOS in C3-OYD. It was an interesting fight as KOS had just moved into the region soon before that and had barely finished setting up. With some capital support from RA/GOON/AAA (a good sized support fleet as well, but KOS fed the doomsdays for the most part while letting the friendly capitals pop off BoB dreads. In the end C3-OYD is now seeing the final BoB towers being removed as the battle of Omist rages on. Back to the point BoB tried to pick on a weaker "lone" alliance but were forced to fight the rest due to the much respected support given to KOS.
Sabariel	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:24:00 - [275] Originally by: Lube Myholes Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 There are no goons dbp fixed it for you Was not funny the first time you w**k.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:26:00 - [276] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Please tell us more about fictional CAOD rubbish. I hear you have personal experience. There are no goons. Corpses in space. -dbp
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:26:00 - [277] That actually was a good read, dispite being so long... cant you cut to the chase a bit faster. Once apon a time i thought you were a Goon alt. Now i think your an ex bob spy from ASCN which is now in goons. :) _______________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:28:00 - [278] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Please tell us more about fictional CAOD rubbish. I hear you have personal experience. There are no goons. Corpses in space. -dbp aww poor gs, still crying into their cornflakes and idolising my char. I love you too guys, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:34:00 - [279] Originally by: DB Preacher aww poor gs, still crying into their cornflakes and idolising my char. I love you too guys, dbp Yes, they are obviously "crying into their cornflakes" because you are, you know, totally evicting them from their stations at this very moment, right? Remove them from 0.0 space and everything. Correct? They are getting their asses hammered any time now, aren't they? Thats why they cry into their cornflakes, yes? God, seriously, the alts were doing a better job than you.
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:38:00 - [280] Holy time machine batman. Reading this is like looking at myself in some crazy past-mirror. It was a fun read. Biased, but like Shin Ra said, had these strong grains of truth in surprising places. Bring #2 soon, plz ---- All you do is bark, you never meow

Gramtar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:47:00 - [281] Credit where it's due, Rev 2 changed a lot for us. I was very skeptical of the POS changes, but I think CCP achieved a good balance (though they still need to reduce the locking time of manned modules, and I think they plan to). Having "enjoyed" the endless gate camping (much of it in vain) while cap ships sieged -V- POS's last fall, it's refreshing to be able to take down a deathstar with just support ships. Goon presence on fleet ops is much better now you can actually accomplish something in a non-cap ship beyond hoping the enemy decides to engage. BoB hasn't been bringing the numbers I saw back in Syndicate days. Exactly why, I don't know and honestly don't care. One thing I know from experience, it's nearly impossible to win fighting a defensive POS war. If you can't take down the enemy's towers (and I can't remember the last time we lost one), you'll never hold a system they want. BoB seems well back on their heels now. Maybe it's just a lull and their freighters are still busy running npc goods to Curse. Maybe it isn't. Either way, every month that goes by is another Goon in a T2 Hurricane, Recon, Battleship, or capital. With our great friends, I have confidence we will prevail in the south.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:48:00 - [282] The ironic part with this thread is that it says "BoB Delusion" when it really can delusion their enemies as much. Goons and RA are successful in defending their space that is for sure but attacking bob is another ball game. You can't say bob is losing if either factions gain any ground. So hold abit on the victory celebrations until you reach furter than the space you used to claim. Celestial Apocalypse Recruitment
Bacci Galu Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:59:00 - [283] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 23/07/2007 22:51:30 Had even 1 major alliance joined ASCN in the first weeks of the ASCN v BoB conflict, BoB would be dead already. "either they where to proud and could not swallow there ego for five minutes and look at the end result or they had no spine imo." Probably going to get in trouble for this, but for all those that know me well iam always in trouble for this kinda krap. Maker of thy sigs: [email protected]
Leika Sinn Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:14:00 - [284] What many of you fail to realize is that BoB like to attack, not defend. If BoB are forced on the defensive, then many of their gung-ho trigger happy pilots will be stuck on firewatch, gate camps and POS duty. Logistics will have to kick into full gear to prep any and all inactive POS that need to be onlined, active POS that need to be reinforced, and stront timers that need to be adjusted. Carebearing will be required to gather ice and stront for jumping Capitals and moving fleets, not to mention doing alarmclock ops to save POS coming out of reinforced. Defending claimed space sucks. It sucks balls. And if your space is huge and 3x the size of other people's space, it sucks balls EVEN MORE. Sovreignity and POS warfare turns alliance warfare into a chessgame. The sucky part is that POS's are the King, Queen, Rook, Knight, and Bishop, while everybody else is just a pawn. Nobody likes being a chesspiece, especially just a pawn. It doesn't matter how deep you are dug into the trenches. If people have to fight for POS and Sovereignty, they will hate it. If you make them do it enough, they will hate playing EVE. Then they will stop logging in, and the Fuel will run out. The POS will lapse, and the dominoes will fall. We've already witnessed great alliances sink faster than a oceanliner made of lead. In all cases, the strength of sovereignty and amount of outposts literally meant nothing. It took almost a month for the first LV outpost to fall. Once it did, everything else fell within days. I doubt Rev 2.0 will have changed this, but we will all have to just wait and see.
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:25:00 - [285] imo KOS will take over the 0.0 universe and you will all bow down --------------------------------------------------------------
Slipofthetongue	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:31:00 - [286] Ok I never said KOS was gonna take over everything. Just pointing out to those people that say BoB chose to fight the hard fight that they got thrown into it by chosing the "easy" road.
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:32:00 - [287] well they are, so get ready! --------------------------------------------------------------
Le Bon Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:40:00 - [288] Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 20:26:48 The only bad part of this was the fact that BoB really didn't "win" in Syndicate either. We fought them with T1 frigs until they got tired of losing HACs to kill a few ships worth less than their ammo, left and called it a victory. This is just more evidence showing how propaganda is the only thing they've mastered, and these days not even that's working out for them. A true victory would've meant that Goonswarm was truly dead. And guess what, we're not. Tick Tock, Ding Dong and Scooby Dooby Doo, Molly. I was going to avoid posting in this thread purely for the fact its pure properganda. Granded the op had some facts but also alot of bent truths too stroke his own groups epeen and give them the moral they need. Back onto topic, the quote from above. You all moved to empire and a group of your boys left, i'd call that a victory tbfh. No more posts for today tbh, pure flame bait. = Ninja Smack Alt
Leika Sinn Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:43:00 - [289] Edited by: Leika Sinn on 24/07/2007 10:43:38 Originally by: Psilocin Tick Tock, Ding Dong and Scooby Dooby Doo, Molly. That quote deserves its own thread, TBQFH.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:56:00 - [290] Here is my two cents... /me drops two cents on this thread. X E R C O R E Private Military Corporation Public Relations Channel: XERCORE Contact: [email protected]

Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:58:00 - [291] Originally by: Le Bon Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 23/07/2007 20:26:48 The only bad part of this was the fact that BoB really didn't "win" in Syndicate either. We fought them with T1 frigs until they got tired of losing HACs to kill a few ships worth less than their ammo, left and called it a victory. This is just more evidence showing how propaganda is the only thing they've mastered, and these days not even that's working out for them. A true victory would've meant that Goonswarm was truly dead. And guess what, we're not. Tick Tock, Ding Dong and Scooby Dooby Doo, Molly. I was going to avoid posting in this thread purely for the fact its pure properganda. Granded the op had some facts but also alot of bent truths too stroke his own groups epeen and give them the moral they need. Back onto topic, the quote from above. You all moved to empire and a group of your boys left, i'd call that a victory tbfh. No more posts for today tbh, pure flame bait. Goonswarm didn't leave Syndicate until about two months after you "evicted them" no matter how many times you keep saying otherwise.
Dawn Razor Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:02:00 - [292] Always a delight to read your posts James. Looking forward to part II and III :)
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:07:00 - [293] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Orangir Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Please tell us more about fictional CAOD rubbish. I hear you have personal experience. There are no goons. Corpses in space. -dbp aww poor gs, still crying into their cornflakes and idolising my char. I love you too guys, dbp Maybe you should petition him for writing like that.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:15:00 - [294] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Orangir Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 You were doing alright until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages then it turned into a pile of wannahappens. Nice read though even if it was fictional rubbish. Read the replies from thug, pehova etc for a more realistic viewpoint. dbp Please tell us more about fictional CAOD rubbish. I hear you have personal experience. There are no goons. Corpses in space. -dbp aww poor gs, still crying into their cornflakes and idolising my char. I love you too guys, dbp don't forget to report those posts to the mods for impersonating you bahaha
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:15:00 - [295] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2007 08:59:49 fictional rubbish. much like your posting also, remember when you where nom inated f o r best fictional write r
dodo dedere kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:16:00 - [296] Edited by: dodo dedere on 24/07/2007 11:19:12 Edited by: dodo dedere on 24/07/2007 11:18:12 Edited by: dodo dedere on 24/07/2007 11:17:44 Quote: ASCN didn't have too many friends in other alliances, though. Even when ASCN was losing stations, it sent its fleet to help AXE against -AAA-, but AXE never returned the favor because it was too afraid of BoB. Fittingly, AXE is now a BoB pet. I got to this point before I didn't agree with something the OP said. AXE did return the favour, I know, I was in AXE and I lost more ships to BoB than I did AAA. The start of your post is a lot more measured than the end. However AXE was insufficaint help. That being said, you are largely correct in the gist of your post. For example: I remember BOB members stating that they went after ASCN because they though ASCN presented the largest challenge. Thats either a lie, or they truly were mistaken. ASCN in no way presented a challenge to BOB, I didnt realise this then, I do now. Dodo
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:17:00 - [297] posting in a dbp thread -dpb
Xtreem Gallente Scientific Creative Underworld Mafia	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:21:00 - [298] i enjoyed the read :)
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:32:00 - [299] Hey dbp, It looks like to me everyone thinks you're a douchebag. -dbp
Tom Gunn Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:36:00 - [300] Objectivity aside, its quite well written, though probably a few thousand words too long for the average attention span of DAOC readers...



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