Originally by: Shenko Minara

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Originally by: Marisal

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that is what i call unbalanced there is no direct counter to cloaks

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Other than the gimping the locking statistics of the cloaking ship and giving them a targeting delay. Oh and that only the covops ships can warp while cloaked.

Generally, an AFK clocked ship alone in your territory is at a severe combat disadvantage. Just remember that 0.0 isn't Empire. It isn't safe and anyone could be hiding around the next corner. If you're worried about losing your mining ship to a recon, hire an escort while you mine, or maybe organise a group mining op that includes a defence gang.

Either way, cloaks aren't overpowered, and until you come up with a good argument as to why they are, you should refrain from posting as such.

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Originally by: Marisal

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Doesn't gimp recons, adds another afk cloaked to the list

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Originally by: Shenko Minara

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Originally by: Marisal

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Doesn't gimp recons, adds another afk cloaked to the list

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Oh, I thought Recons also had a targetting delay after decloaking. vv

A lone enemy cloaker in *your* home system is at a disadvantage. If you want a game to play on 'easy' mode, might I suggest Freelancer.

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Originally by: Marisal

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Don't want easy mode want a way to actively deal with them other than flying around hand in hand with half a fleet

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* Fit some stabs to your miner
* Hire a friend or two to guard you while you mine
* Mine only on group ops with a defence gang
* Stop complaining about something that isn't broken.

Originally by: Marisal

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Ok all the lamers'n'flamers explain http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=525843&page=1#26 and apparent lack there of the ability to probe post rev2.

Yes that thread doesn't say its an exploit.

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Originally by: Shenko Minara

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Originally by: Marisal

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Ok all the lamers'n'flamers explain http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=525843&page=1#26 and apparent lack there of the ability to probe post rev2.

Yes that thread doesn't say its an exploit.

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Doesn't say it's an exploit, huh?
Then either quote the bit you *do* mean, or we'll assume that you're agreeing that AFK cloaking is okay, and a mod can close this thread.

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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The next patch also makes it possible to detect cloaked ships with scan probes, so the BS fleet could have its scouts scan for hidden surprises.

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Originally by: Marisal

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Originally by: Darius Shakor

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First of all, how would being afk in a system prevent people from using it?

And second I alreayd thought cloaks could now be scanned out. So afking in a hostile system is more hazardhous to the guy going afk.
(Could be wrong about this, have not heard different since Rev 2 deployment)

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It mysteriously didn't make the patch go read the patch notes

and it prevents people from playing properly the exact same way following someone around does.

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Originally by: Marisal

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and trust me im saying this as someone who flys covops and recon it will be better this way.

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Originally by: SiJira

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Originally by: Marisal

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and trust me im saying this as someone who flys covops and recon it will be better this way.

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when someone says this after suggestions a horrible fix to the profession they supposedly do it should ring alarm bells for everyone

btw what you are suggesting would hurt specialized cloakers that are not afk so this idea is a no go

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Originally by: Marisal

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Originally by: Darius Shakor

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Originally by: Marisal

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Originally by: Darius Shakor

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First of all, how would being afk in a system prevent people from using it?

And second I alreayd thought cloaks could now be scanned out. So afking in a hostile system is more hazardhous to the guy going afk.
(Could be wrong about this, have not heard different since Rev 2 deployment)

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It mysteriously didn't make the patch go read the patch notes

and it prevents people from playing properly the exact same way following someone around does.

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OK thanks for the info. I didn't hear about that.

But still, your point is no clearer on why you think it makes the game unplayable. Just because people think 'Uhh-ohh, I might get killed here' is hardly a fault in the game. It is a fault in the player. The same can be said simply about low sec piracy or spotting a small wave of alt corp frigates in high sec. Or simply logging into the game.

'Well I guess I might get shot at, so I won't bother playing today.'

It is not an argument. And as for 'properly' there is hardly such a thing in eve. There is just how you want to play it, and how everyone else wants to. If you mean in 0.0 a player can sit cloaked and decloak ant any point to kill a random solo player and hence scare them of the posibility, then they should just travle in a gang. If they are not able to then that is simply their issue not a fault in the game itself. Anything could get them killed by flying anywhere solo.

As for the cloaker, that is just use of a tactic. It might be lame in it's own way but this is the entire reason why cloaks were put in game, as well as combat effective ships that can use them.

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By the same reasoning cloaking ships should have to travel in gangs to perform combat, sorry but even though eve is team orientated you can't have people holding your hand all the time, obviously you've never experience having a cloaker in the heart of your territory and not been able to do a sodding thing about it that is what i call unbalanced there is no direct counter to cloaks as there should be most aspect that affect combat in eve have counters ecm vs sensor boosters, speed boosters vs webbers, warp drive vs scrams, weapons vs shields/armor and then we come to cloaks vs hmm nothing... Cloaks were put in game long before combat capable craft designed to use them were put in and adding those created an inblance yet to be resolved

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Originally by: Marisal

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I'm not agreeing [that] afk cloaking is ok unless there's a direct counter; i.e. probing or [other] penalties that do not make afk cloaking easy.

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Originally by: Kappas.

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How about not nerfing cloaks but giving you a little afk icon next to your name if you haven't done anything for 5 minutes?

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Originally by: Ssoraszh Tzarszh

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Your topic is a lie.

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Originally by: SiJira

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Originally by: Kappas.

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How about not nerfing cloaks but giving you a little afk icon next to your name if you haven't done anything for 5 minutes?

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i can already tell you the answer from the 0.0 carebears - they will be too scared he can come back at any moment

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Originally by: u die

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Yes, im in a "nerf cloak" whine topic! Hi mom.

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Originally by: Marisal

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Thought that would grab your attention but...

tbh its true if you think about it afk cloaking in a system to prevent its use is exactly the same as following a user around and killing them repeatedly both impede a users enjoyment of the game which im my opinion would be classed as harassment or a user or group of users.

Now I know currently the issue is still up in the air but as its starting become a rife form of underhanded tactics so ccp either allow probing of cloaked ships,

OR

Put a threshold point on the duration of a cloak activation after which an overload builds up destroying the cloak. Also set it up so that repeatedly turning the cloak on and off to get around this overload does nothing as long as you remain in the same system.

OR

Simplest put an afk timer on the cloak if someones afk for 5 or more minutes cloak off lines not just turns off but actually off lines or alternatively overloads.

and trust me im saying this as someone who flys covops and recon it will be better this way.

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