Originally by: DHB WildCat

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FIX are doing all they can to hold off the combined power of -A- and IAC. IAC has pushed hard into querious taking a few station systems from what I have heard. FIX are doing thier best, but without BoB and MC support it looks like FIX will soon fall.

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Originally by: Exortius Amarrus

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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FIX are doing all they can to hold off the combined power of -A- and IAC. IAC has pushed hard into querious taking a few station systems from what I have heard. FIX are doing thier best, but without BoB and MC support it looks like FIX will soon fall.

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IAC has not pushed any farther then 1 jump into Querious (49-U). They have not taken any station systems. They also have not made any real progress against us in 49-U, nor have they created a situation that will give them sov of 49-U.

We're quite used to fighting multiple alliances. FIX will not soon fall, nor will it ever fall.

Other then this bit you have a refreshingly clear view of the current status of the great war in EVE.

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Originally by: QwaarJet

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Northern bit is highly inaccurate, almost seems like it was designed to undermine the Northern Coalition.

MM and Razor are the main powers in the North, i'm not sure how that could be factually disputed.

I also would beg to differ that "small progress everyday" means taking a region back in a weekend.

Just my thoughts though.

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Originally by: Minigin

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from what i understand of the north, MM had never lost any ground and RZR had lost it all over a period of a month or so. however as many of you may remember there was a forum post and a vid made on "how the north was defeated in 3 months" i believe a week and a bit after that video was releaced all RZR space that had been lost had been reclaimed.

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Originally by: Straife

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So the 50+ KOS pilots that helped down cyno jammers were just there staring into space? The other time we moved in to assist we sat around for hours due to the lack of targets at that time of day. I'm not saying we're playing a large role in the fight for D2E in anyway, but don't just brush it aside because your too busy pulling every asset you have out of KOS space as fast as you can to keep up the pos spam.

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 25/07/2007 16:32:48
Yeah, I'd have to agree that the Northern piece of the update lacks some polish.

The North is indeed the relative free-for-all that people describe it to be. Frankly, its glorious. I spoke months ago about a new paradigm in the North and the fact that few if any of us wanted to return to the way it was. We like it like this. Politics and diplomacy in the area are ever-evolving. Differing agendas rule the day. The one constant appears to be the the long time residents of the North have little use for the new residents and there is pretty much where the battle lines are drawn.
Even these lines are clouded as entities red to each other will band together temporarily to strike at the new northern residents. Granted Sparta are not technically "new" up here, but they are certainly in new digs and have aligned themselves with the new residents.

In my view there is no central power in the North that is far and away the most powerful. There are many power blocs in play up here. The territorial situation is quite fluid although higher sovereignty levels are being achieved and the more powerful entities are digging in. It's Fight Club up here.

I completely agree that TRI has become a major power in the North. Whether or not they want to stay in the dreadful business of sovereignty and POS fueling remains to be seen. It isn't fun. They are the new owners of Deklein and MM, for one, welcomes them to the party.

Morsus Mihi, Pure and Hydra have retained their space throughout the war thus far--- MC stopping at Tenal being a major reason. Razor lost their space but was restored to Tenal a few weeks later when Terror in the System was quickly and summarily kicked out of Tenal and subsequently disbanded despite their best efforts and those of their friends (who I understand to have been very disappointed in their efforts).

I'm reminded of an interesting thread:

Razor aren't a space-holding alliance

..in which pershphanie states:

RzR are losing tenal because you can't fit nano fit a dreadnaught. If they could then razor would rule the universe. Bob would have no chance. Unfortunately that's not how things work.
Only time will tell if losing their space will kill razor, but it will shrink them significantly as well as reduce their capabilities. At the moment razor are what they are. An alliance with a small highly skill roaming pvp force. No doubt that those guys can continue to be successful where ever they go. As far as the rest of them, who knows. Seems like they were not meant to be a space holding alliance, but a roaming alliance. I think we are doing them a favor by removing the burdens of holding space from them. Your welcome razor.

Two weeks later, Terror in the System is bounced out of Tenal by fleets led by Razor and now Terror in the System is dead. How funny is that? How nice things must have looked when MC was doing all the heavy lifting. You're welcome, pershphanie.

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Originally by: Exortius Amarrus

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FIX will not soon fall, nor will it ever fall.

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Originally by: Zeoliter

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Looks at map....Nopes, I'm not in Feyth. The fight is in Omist as UNL and TCF spammed it nicely during "BoB's Week Off". We don't defend from KOS as they never attack but TCF have stepped up activities as have UNL. A new alliance called Venom is now in the fray helping out RaGoon so BoB curently faces the full force of RA, Goon, TCF, UNL and Venom (though Venom appear to be alot smaller on numbers).

Just a smack-free post for accuracy.

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Originally by: Rawne Karrde

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PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 25/07/2007 16:32:48
Yeah, I'd have to agree that the Northern piece of the update lacks some polish.

The North is indeed the relative free-for-all that people describe it to be. Frankly, its glorious. I spoke months ago about a new paradigm in the North and the fact that few if any of us wanted to return to the way it was. We like it like this. Politics and diplomacy in the area are ever-evolving. Differing agendas rule the day. The one constant appears to be the the long time residents of the North have little use for the new residents and there is pretty much where the battle lines are drawn.
Even these lines are clouded as entities red to each other will band together temporarily to strike at the new northern residents. Granted Sparta are not technically "new" up here, but they are certainly in new digs and have aligned themselves with the new residents.

In my view there is no central power in the North that is far and away the most powerful. There are many power blocs in play up here. The territorial situation is quite fluid although higher sovereignty levels are being achieved and the more powerful entities are digging in. It's Fight Club up here.

I completely agree that TRI has become a major power in the North. Whether or not they want to stay in the dreadful business of sovereignty and POS fueling remains to be seen. It isn't fun. They are the new owners of Deklein and MM, for one, welcomes them to the party.

Morsus Mihi, Pure and Hydra have retained their space throughout the war thus far--- MC stopping at Tenal being a major reason. Razor lost their space but was restored to Tenal a few weeks later when Terror in the System was quickly and summarily kicked out of Tenal and subsequently disbanded despite their best efforts and those of their friends (who I understand to have been very disappointed in their efforts).

I'm reminded of an interesting thread:

Razor aren't a space-holding alliance

..in which pershphanie states:

RzR are losing tenal because you can't fit nano fit a dreadnaught. If they could then razor would rule the universe. Bob would have no chance. Unfortunately that's not how things work.
Only time will tell if losing their space will kill razor, but it will shrink them significantly as well as reduce their capabilities. At the moment razor are what they are. An alliance with a small highly skill roaming pvp force. No doubt that those guys can continue to be successful where ever they go. As far as the rest of them, who knows. Seems like they were not meant to be a space holding alliance, but a roaming alliance. I think we are doing them a favor by removing the burdens of holding space from them. Your welcome razor.

Two weeks later, Terror in the System is bounced out of Tenal by fleets led by Razor and now Terror in the System is dead. How funny is that? How nice things must have looked when MC was doing all the heavy lifting. You're welcome, pershphanie.

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Originally by: Daryl Zorg

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Not many BoB comments here, that's for sure, or RA's.

I find though that the happenings in the south are the ones crushial for the outcome of the war. Not the ones in the North. Should BoB attack North, Razor won't be able to fight them off, probably.

So i wonder what is happening in the south.
The loss of 300bil isk as well as the desync problem might explain why BoB are holding back. But it does not explain why BoB did not take 77s8 when they began their invasion of the south. All they did was to take space that was abandoned by the Coalition.

Does anyone have some real insight as to what is happening to BoB and why aren't they taking space but losing it? The desync argument came into play only lately as well as BoBs BBQ, so why is it that there was no advancement before desync, when Titans and MS were still overpowered?

Is the no one willing to spill it out other that some people who get all their info from the influence map?

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Originally by: Daryl Zorg

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Not many BoB comments here, that's for sure, or RA's.

I find though that the happenings in the south are the ones crushial for the outcome of the war. Not the ones in the North. Should BoB attack North, Razor won't be able to fight them off, probably.

So i wonder what is happening in the south.
The loss of 300bil isk as well as the desync problem might explain why BoB are holding back. But it does not explain why BoB did not take 77s8 when they began their invasion of the south. All they did was to take space that was abandoned by the Coalition.

Does anyone have some real insight as to what is happening to BoB and why aren't they taking space but losing it? The desync argument came into play only lately as well as BoBs BBQ, so why is it that there was no advancement before desync, when Titans and MS were still overpowered?

Is the no one willing to spill it out other that some people who get all their info from the influence map?

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Originally by: Chirinako

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Edited by: Chirinako on 25/07/2007 00:33:39
Dunno where you got your info that Fix has lost any stations. IAC and -A- are actually nowhere near even contesting sov in any FIX station system right now despite 3 weeks of constant warfare.

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Originally by: Svetlanna

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Originally by: Chirinako

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Edited by: Chirinako on 25/07/2007 00:33:39
Dunno where you got your info that Fix has lost any stations. IAC and -A- are actually nowhere near even contesting sov in any FIX station system right now despite 3 weeks of constant warfare.

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can you please reconsider your sily statement.
Thank you.

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Originally by: Orree

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I always post smart stuff.

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Originally by: Orree

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How nice things must have looked when MC was doing all the heavy lifting. You're welcome, pershphanie.

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Originally by: Altair Mogwa

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The story with VX is a mess, who knows other than their leadership back stabbed and disbanded handing Tri a NAP for their POS deployment in YAO, hardly a fold from pressure.

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Originally by: Mei Han

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What happend to the North the past months imho gave a great deal more than took from the old residents. More like a cleansing than defeat, the steer up of power showed who is entitled to hold space of his own and who's not.
Moreover it created strong bonds betwin alliances and raised the trust and faith of players toward thier alliances by not crumbling due to lost space.

New residents like Tri Fatal etc have to earn thier right to hold northern space.Holding to passing by friend will just delay the end as with Terror.I.T.S.

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