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Trustus Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Trustus on 25/07/2007 07:38:45 Edited by: Trustus on 25/07/2007 07:37:55 To be honest this topic have been actually discussed like 1 million times, but i never heard CCP talking about this or how they are trying to fix the problem. I mean how do we know if CCP is actually trying to do something to fix what should be allready been fixed. We are paying for a service that is not working as is supposed to, LAG SHOULD NOT turn the fight to someones favor, you get ****ed of something you buy dont work or have problems so why should this be any different. I must say iam DONT like the idea of CCP implementing walk in stations when the lag issue should be their PRIME target, this will probably cause even more lag. I would like all of you to add a SIGNED reply if you agree that CCP should fix this problem ASAP or at least inform us on what/how they are planing to solve the problem. It's time we should CCP how many "unhappy" customers they really have. PS! PLEASE DONT POST ANYTHING IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE POST, JUST ADD A SIGNED IF YOU DO. /T
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:35:00 - [2] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2007 07:35:42 Originally by: Trustus PLEASE DONT POST ANYTHING IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE TOPIC, JUST ADD A SIGNED. Wouldnt that give the impression that everybody who reads the post agrees with you, when they really dont? :) --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
LMAAAOOOO	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:49:00 - [3] I think it's unfair that I can't jump into Jita, ccp has told me to avoid this system, even though 90% of my assets are there, Seriously, FIX IT. We don't pay this game so we can go lalalal im laggy lalalala rofl @ this lag lalalalala etc. _______________________________________________ Originally by: murder one lmaaaoooo has made it into my sig.
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:52:00 - [4] Do you really think CCP is perfectly happy with lag? First of all, lots of devs play eve, so they have to deal with lag too. Second, lag is probably the biggest complaint of players, and corporations tend to be adverse to losing revenue. Tbh, CCP is probably doing their best to fix the situation, but there are limits to today's technology. Try getting 400 people in one place in another mmo and see how that works out. O RLY? - Kreul
Astro Teller Milf Riders	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:52:00 - [5] I have thought about not logging in to "protest" but then i just realize im helping them by reducing the lag load- so I have my character logged in 20/7 just about to **** them off and prostest that way until they resolve this lag. ----Astro Teller
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:53:00 - [6] Lol... In case you don't know, EVERY SINGLE MMORPG lags. Now, just to contradict you : /not signed. Besides, I don't lag unless I specifically look for it by going to highly frequented places, or if I download something when I play. Furthermore, I'm rather sick of the stupid argument "let's make them stop working on new content, they need to fix (insert problem here) ASAP". It just shows you have no clue about how a company works, and that's not only a software company. Get a job, and maybe then you'll understand. If you already have one, you need to get a clue... The most pathetic argument you've made is that you said that : "i never heard CCP talking about this or how they are trying to fix the problem." Ever heard of the "need for speed" initiative they put into place ? That only the most obvious one... just read the patch notes, and you'll see dozen of other things like that. I'd rather have them working continuously on lag like they do now and get new content now and then, than have them fix completely a game that doesn't evolve. -- Siggie ! Come back here ! -- Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: MotherMoon well a drone UI is a bit of an artist job Drone AI is obviously done by an artist too. One that is heavily into abstract
Astro Teller Milf Riders	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:53:00 - [7] Edited by: Astro Teller on 25/07/2007 07:54:16 Originally by: Brunswick2 Do you really think CCP is perfectly happy with lag? First of all, lots of devs play eve, so they have to deal with lag too. Second, lag is probably the biggest complaint of players, and corporations tend to be adverse to losing revenue. Tbh, CCP is probably doing their best to fix the situation, but there are limits to today's technology. Try getting 400 people in one place in another mmo and see how that works out. well maybe they should split the server then? they dont HAVE to have 1 huge world lets be real here- eve has gotten bigger than ANY of the devs thought possible maybe it is time for a US / Europe server split? ----Astro Teller
soulkiller3 Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:54:00 - [8] There been fixing the lag since 03, only problem is when ever there get sever to the point it can handle then number on it, more people start playing and it lags agein. We will always have lag wile eve is a sucsess.
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:55:00 - [9] If only lag could be solved by forum posts! DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
LMAAAOOOO	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:58:00 - [10] I can't log in because I'm in jita, and ccp won't respond to my petition >.< _______________________________________________ Originally by: murder one lmaaaoooo has made it into my sig.
Prall	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Astro Teller well maybe they should split the server then? they dont HAVE to have 1 huge world lets be real here- eve has gotten bigger than ANY of the devs thought possible maybe it is time for a US / Europe server split? No. If we have the split the server eventually then I think most people would rather see a 'in space' split rather than a split depending on where you live. I.e have one server do the north of the map and another for the south (or whatever) and re jumble the gate systema again so there is another kind of stargate that takes you to an other cluster. We need to keep everyone in the same space, if we don't then we have a special game that isn't special anymore. The reason people play EvE (chief amoung other things) is that we all share the same universe. First of all CCP needs to re-visit thier server side code, only being able to have one node per system is a bit of a problem and will be untill people stop playing no matter how much hardware they throw at it.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Astro Teller well maybe they should split the server then? they dont HAVE to have 1 huge world lets be real here- eve has gotten bigger than ANY of the devs thought possible maybe it is time for a US / Europe server split? You're missing an important fact. Single, non-sharded universe is EVE's main selling point. How stupid would it be for CCP to eliminate this point around which the whole concept of EVE is based?
Ssoraszh Tzarszh Minmatar Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:30:00 - [13] Stupid pettitions, this is not a pettition forum its a general discussion, tehres a plethora of poll options on the internet find one of those if you must pettition. and btw, unless your in a fleetbattle theres no lag, if you have lag GTFOO Jita/wherever its KNOWN to be laggy due to everyone only using teh same friggin agent. I rarely have lag when not in fleet ops, cause i make a point on avoiding crap systems where the "herd" gathers.
Astro Teller Milf Riders	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Ssoraszh Tzarszh Stupid pettitions, this is not a pettition forum its a general discussion, tehres a plethora of poll options on the internet find one of those if you must pettition. and btw, unless your in a fleetbattle theres no lag, if you have lag GTFOO Jita/wherever its KNOWN to be laggy due to everyone only using teh same friggin agent. I rarely have lag when not in fleet ops, cause i make a point on avoiding crap systems where the "herd" gathers. cough cough you need to fight fleet battles to secure 0.0 space ----Astro Teller
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:32:00 - [15] This is probably about either Jita or Fleet Ops. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Vyyrus Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:33:00 - [16] To be honest, no games can handle this many players on a single node like the battle we had today. It took me 10 minutes just go login into UEJ station I was then scared to even step outside. Im about to give up on these mmos cause when a big battle happens, the lag and desync is just outrageous and no network is capable of handline this kind of load.
Steini OFSI Gallente Minigame	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Trustus Edited by: Trustus on 25/07/2007 07:38:45 Edited by: Trustus on 25/07/2007 07:37:55 To be honest this topic have been actually discussed like 1 million times, but i never heard CCP talking about this or how they are trying to fix the problem. Lag is multiple things, I doubt 1 person could explain in full detail every aspect that creates lag and in each case explain what is beeing done to fix it, beside it would only cause whine if they were unsuccessful or would produce a bug when trying to fix one lag thing (and later fixed), so all in all, better left alone except that they are always working on performance upgrade. Originally by: Trustus I mean how do we know if CCP is actually trying to do something to fix what should be allready been fixed. We are paying for a service that is not working as is supposed to, LAG SHOULD NOT turn the fight to someones favor, you get **ed of something you buy dont work or have problems so why should this be any different. Your account works doesn't it? You didn't buy the server did you? The service you payed for works. LAG turns doesn't favour anyone except perhaps some gatecampers wich if you're flying alone would kill you anyway. Originally by:** Trustus I must say iam DONT like the idea of CCP implementing walk in stations when the lag issue should be their PRIME target, this will probably cause even more lag. Ooooh yes, stop every work in pipeline and have everyone work on reducing lag, let the artist work on the code and server, hell even throw in the kitchen maid too to help them. Originally by: Trustus I would like all of you to add a SIGNED reply if you agree that CCP should fix this problem ASAP or at least inform us on what/how they are planing to solve the problem. It's time we should CCP how many "unhappy" customers they really have. PS! PLEASE DONT POST ANYTHING IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE POST, JUST ADD A SIGNED IF YOU DO. /T Last sentence, is it there because you do not want to get your brain into realistic mode and admit the shallowness of your post? Allthough I'm all for reducing lag, but your 1 millionth post doesn't help a bit in dooing so and is devoid of usefull content.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Trustus PLEASE DONT POST ANYTHING IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE POST, JUST ADD A SIGNED IF YOU DO. ooo, /SIGNED posts are considered spam. So you are asking people to break the rulz. Tut, tut, tut.
Plave Okice Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:51:00 - [19] I find it amazing that people seem to think that CCP don't care about lag, or aren't trying to do something about it. Many people don't even understand the lag they suffer, confusing client framerate lag, lag caused through a slow(ed) internet connection and lag caused at server level in the DB. Not all the lag is CCP's fault, if they could fix it of course they would. If you want to avoid lag avoid those areas where you know you will get lagged, we jumped into a 230 man fleet last night with a 190 man fleet, we were lagged to hell, but we expected it, I'm not going to moan about it, if I didn't want the lag I wouldn't have jumped, we all knew it was coming.
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Trustus lag issue should be their PRIME target Couldn't agree more. And to answer the actual question: we'll accept the lag as long as it is there. IMHO, the ultimate answer is not really quitting due the lag, since you can still play lagless Eve if you want. Though with that way you would lose a lot: trading in Jita, missioning in popular systems, holding territory, fleet battles and so on. Although I won't be quitting, nor telling people to quit, would love to see say a thousand to quit stating lag as the reason, to make CCP focus on fixing it more and more. -Lasse who mostly plays the lagless Eve
Vyyrus Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 09:03:00 - [21] Edited by: Vyyrus on 25/07/2007 09:03:58 All I know if there wasn't the lag there was today, EVE would be a completely different game.
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 09:14:00 - [22] Its called a courier contract, ship your crap out of Jita. I live in NZ, the opposite side of the world, and I hardly notice much lag at all, not enough it interfers with my game play. Then again, I stay out of Jita. I courier stuff out of there, just so I dont have to try go in. ______________________________ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 09:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Heikki Although I won't be quitting, nor telling people to quit, would love to see say a thousand to quit stating lag as the reason, to make CCP focus on fixing it more and more. Except that will be the quickest way to make them stop working on lag. Less people -> less lag -> no more incentive to fix it. The best and only solution to fix lag is to play the game to it's fullest, therefore pushing the limits of the game, forcing them to writes fixes in order to let the game work properly. Before, Jita lagged with 200 people. Now 750 or 800 people are needed for my computer to lag in Jita, and even so, the lag isn't anything major... As said above, lag will never be fixed. As soon as lags doesn't affect, let's say, 30 vs 30 battles, people will start a 40 vs 40 battle and complain again . Conclusion : as long as Eve is a success and attracts more and more people, Eve will lag. Unless it adopts a sharded universe point of view, which is the only way to attract more people without creating lag... but sharded Eve isn't Eve. -- Siggie ! Come back here ! -- Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: MotherMoon well a drone UI is a bit of an artist job Drone AI is obviously done by an artist too. One that is heavily into abstract
J Ripper Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.25 09:28:00 - [24] Edited by: J Ripper on 25/07/2007 09:29:12 Originally by: Trustus Edited by: Trustus on 25/07/2007 07:38:45 Edited by: Trustus on 25/07/2007 07:37:55 To be honest this topic have been actually discussed like 1 million times, but i never heard CCP talking about this or how they are trying to fix the problem. I mean how do we know if CCP is actually trying to do something to fix what should be allready been fixed. We are paying for a service that is not working as is supposed to, LAG SHOULD NOT turn the fight to someones favor, you get ****ed of something you buy dont work or have problems so why should this be any different. I must say iam DONT like the idea of CCP implementing walk in stations when the lag issue should be their PRIME target, this will probably cause even more lag. I would like all of you to add a SIGNED reply if you agree that CCP should fix this problem ASAP or at least inform us on what/how they are planing to solve the problem. It's time we should CCP how many "unhappy" customers they really have. PS! PLEASE DONT POST ANYTHING IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE POST, JUST ADD A SIGNED IF YOU DO. /T my 2pence worth..... I agree that LAG is a major issue and is also part of the reason why I have cancelled my subscription. As for walking in stations, thats another TEAM who are designing and programming it, not BUG and LAG fixers.(maybe bug / lag creators ) I agree CCP should pull the ship together and get more people involved with fixes and the ever growing bugs and lag problems even if it means firing some content designers and hiring people that are capable of tracking bugs & making the code more efficient. CCP spent thousands(?) adding new blades and stuff some time back, I personally think they made no difference to the game whatsoever - sry CCP! I`m sure there are guys working on this as we speak, CCP is not stupid and know the future of CCP and EVE relies on making its paying customer`s happy. I will no personally sign this, but do agree on some aspects! my sig: --- Jon Johansen ---
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:03:00 - [25] This is an online game. Online games lag sometimes. DEAL WITH IT. Oh, and FYI, I run on a pretty crappy connection and I never get any of the lag problems people keep describing (I've never desynched either). So either I'm intensely lucky or maybe, just maybe, people are blowing the lag problem way out of proportion. Seriously folks, how the hell hard is it to avoid Jita? ***
Shari Vegas Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:08:00 - [26] You're gonna keep accepting the lag. You're going to keep paying CCP monthly. Shut your noise.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:08:00 - [27] If they actually banned all the macro pig sweat shop farmers, that would probably free up a few thousand members worth of power \o/ GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Amaron Ghant Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:31:00 - [28] Well, the thing is you see, they've spent rather a lot of ISK (The Icelandic version, not the stuff in game)on new servers and various assorted wiggly amp stuff to fix lag. Unfortunately what then happens is peeps tell thier friends "EVE mate, wonderful game. Join up now they've fixed the lag"; And there you go, same amount of lag, but this time with more people on line. The lag will never be fixed in reality. Lag is evident in every online game. I'm just amazed that the lag is no worse than it is with the number of players inhabiting the same EVE universe. New hardware, updated software, streanlining old code, introducing new code, "need for speed" initiative. The list goes on. All designed to combat lag. CCP have been telling us what they've been planning; you just need to look in the dev blogs I don't like the lag. It pigs me off the same as everyone else, but theres no way i'll be quitting over it. The games got too firm a grip on my gonads for that to happen. In balance I feel that there happens to be more right with the game than there is wrong. For those that disagree all I can say is, why are you still paying to play? Go find a better game. 3 and a half years so far, and I fully intend to be the last one out, turning off the lights. So, NOT SIGNED.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:35:00 - [29] Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/07/2007 10:36:29 Originally by: Victor Valka You're missing an important fact. Single, non-sharded universe is EVE's main selling point. How stupid would it be for CCP to eliminate this point around which the whole concept of EVE is based? Crap ITs the selling point in the mind of CCP but noone else would give a **e. You think mr noob who logs in knowing nobody, cares he is in a different shard from Victor Valka or Le Skunk? Nope The only ones who would care are the established players and whilst I would agree i would be pretty put out having a split put in - I would accept this in return for the taming of unplayable LAG and constanst server crashes(four in four days wow). CCP's marketing selling point of 'all in one shard' is fanatasitc. But so is their hinting at mass fleet battles - which which all know cant be handled by their present programming / equipment. They should stop lying and swallow the bitter sharding pill SKUNK Originally by:** Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
Kunosaki Mantigen Quanta Ultio Animi Causa	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Astro Teller Edited by: Astro Teller on 25/07/2007 07:54:16 Originally by: Brunswick2 Do you really think CCP is perfectly happy with lag? First of all, lots of devs play eve, so they have to deal with lag too. Second, lag is probably the biggest complaint of players, and corporations tend to be adverse to losing revenue. Tbh, CCP is probably doing their best to fix the situation, but there are limits to today's technology. Try getting 400 people in one place in another mmo and see how that works out. well maybe they should split the server then? they dont HAVE to have 1 huge world lets be real here- eve has gotten bigger than ANY of the devs thought possible maybe it is time for a US / Europe server split? NEVERRRRRR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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