@baltec1 - Here you go

I brought several house and a multitude of cars, drugs and hookers with the money I made from RMT playing Eve..

Is that proof.. must be because I posted on the internet and that means it real

What is proof?


Recorded TS3, where a guy is "bragging" about it.... but nah, he didn't really do it, he is just blowing wind.
A fleet warping off as soon as a neutral enters system... nah, he just has multiple accounts.
Or... "he is just dedicated to the game" that is why he is so focused on taking that region 23/7. He didn't get paid to do it.
Those mountains of hulks mining like oompaloopas deep in drone space 23/7, they are just there for the scenery!





You won't consider anything to be "sufficient proof", so you should STFU too.

One more thing.. I keep seeing.. fleets warp off when a neut enters system.

I multi box often and there are plenty of tools that let me control all my accounts as if I was playing one, tools which have been deemed to be okay by CCP.

So yeah.. If I am in space and see a red enter local I can warp all my ships off at the same time.

Must mean I am a bot and involved in RMT.

As a wormholer we sometimes jump into deep nullsec with fleets of these miners who instantly log off. We see them on d-scan and then their gone off local and d asap. Are they bots? probably but its difficult to prove. Remember bots provide CCP with extra revenue. The fact they refuse almost entirely to even talk about bots is a good indication there not allowed to talk about them.

If they knew botting was a tiny small problem they would announce this and show how they know.

Just try and put yourself in their shoes. You options include:

1. Announce its a problem and spend man-hours dealing with it.
2. Dont talk about It at all and continue gaining revenue for all the extra accounts.
3. Announce its not a problem and hope not to get caught out and lose trust from the player base.

Which option would you choose if your a profit making company?

Remember there's a difference between "RMT happens.", which I certainly believe, and the mantra that the Russians / Goons / Whoever are in on it and systematically profiteering.

Okay, that's something solid. Do you have some links about this story that would show systemic RMT in the alliance, rather than someone just draining the wallet and running?

Then you have records, and something other than hearsay? Otherwise, everyone will just take that for propaganda, intended to smear an alliance's reputation and encourage distrust between members. Like all alliances have been doing consistently for years.

Heck, your enemies are probably alleging the same things from "highly placed sources" about you. :)

I think the leaders of the NC would like to have a word with you. Or for that matter the leaders of BoB before that. Look how much moon goo the russians have had, historically. Yet they are here. NC and BoB are not.

Repetaing old rumors dont make them any more true. Im not saying that it didnt happen. I'm saying that all that anybody has put forward regarding that issue is rumours. And to me, thats not something I use energy on.

As for the reason BoB and NC imploded, if you for a minute think that it was solely because their leaders RMTd away all the isk, you really dont give due credit to the people actually involved on their enemies side.

stuff

If you had wanted a reasonable discussion you should have made clear distinction between

(a) single (rank and file) individuals in an alliance participating in such behavior (maybe being tolerated by leadership)

(b) the alliance leadership organizing such behavior on alliance level.


(a) is easy enough to prove (just buy ISK, supercapitals or accounts on any of a dozen forums dedicated to that purpose and see who the guy selling it to you is - it 's not morally bad as long as you only do it For Science).
e.g. here is a post I copied from some RMT forum

looking at the screenshot we see that this guy has a jumpclone in C-J6MT which means that he is/was either a member of Red Alliance (extremely likely), Atlas (maybe), IRC (very unlikely) or one of their allies.

Is this proof for the generalization that MEMBERS OF 0.0 ALLIANCES ENGAGE IN RMT?

(b) will be hard to prove without being a director in one of these alliances. Especially as leadership will always try to make it look like (a) to CCP.

pro-oppression?
how do you figure?

the boards are moderated
Now if I can get a TOS warning and a lock because I posted a thread calling you an ignorant prick, why shouldn't I get one for calling (enter alliance you hate the most here) a pack of cheaters and criminals?

Because there is a very good chance its true

If you don't understand the difference, then I don't really care to try and explain it to you. I mean I could call you an arrogant fool, so conceded that he can't see past the funky shaped nose on his face, but that would not be the same as debating something whose effects are clearly visible on a basic google search.



Also WOW is that way right?



These are the eve forums, and this is apparently what we do here. So yea, you're supporting pro-oppression and censorship. Nice... real nice. Especially since you will no doubt turn around and ***** about being censored should it suit you.