Why do people so often refer to EVE as a submarine sim ?

Ok lets assume I have undocked and flown a ship.

What about inflight physics is 'submarine' like ? could someone expand on the concept for me please?

Well .. how you accelerate and how you de-accelerate ..
You switch on the thrusters and move .. you switch them off you slowing down.

Well .. how you accelerate and how you de-accelerate ..
You switch on the thrusters and move .. you switch them off you slowing down.

Also, ships return to a level position when they stop, and never end up on their sides or upside-down.

Really? I thought it was because of all the cloaky in the game. Cloak on, underwater. Cloak off, surface?

Well .. how you accelerate and how you de-accelerate ..
You switch on the thrusters and move .. you switch them off you slowing down.

Of course, full Newtonian physics would be a bit of a pain to work with. Let alone if you bring relativity into play.

Now the fact that ships tend to look like fish...............

you are so wrong...

A plane flies.
An animal walks, or runs.
Horses gallop!
A ship sails.
A car drives.
You ride a horse, or a bicycle, or another person.

But...

What does a submarine do?

Submerge? But they emerge to? Drive?

:(

They explained the sound thing already, its piped in so we don't go mad.

You can play the game without ever seeing anything other than the UI. One of the best PvP players I know only has a peep hole in his layout of overview, comms, watchlist, locked targts (etc etc etc) dialogs. All his actions are done in the UI space, not the graphics space.

Ok lets assume I have undocked and flown a ship.

What about inflight physics is 'submarine' like ? could someone expand on the concept for me please?

No he's not.

So you think it would be easy, to simulate 7000+ solar systems ...

with the simulated gravity of every said object influencing every ship floating in space along with orbits/newtonian mechanics for ships, and player owned installations?

They explained the sound thing already, its piped in so we don't go mad.

No he's not.

So you think it would be easy, to simulate 7000+ solar systems with orbiting bodies all being tracked by the server, with the simulated gravity of every said object influencing every ship floating in space along with orbits/newtonian mechanics for ships, and player owned installations? So much could go wrong with this, this game would be unplayable and it would be a bugger to budget cpu cycles for as you would add too many new calculations to simulate a newtonian world.

tl;dr: Get out of town.

Just expanding on that. There is so little friction in space that the deceleration would not be noticeable. Also turning shouldn't need to take so long, simply just spin the ship then fire thrusters in the opposite direction to stop.

.... or all ships could just be spheres that move in any direction without turning and fire in all directions.

so, imagine, two ships approaching each other with thousands of kilometers per second: any projectile fired on each other would result in an absolute brutal-*******-overkill due to the absurd amounts of kinetic energy released. Thus, we wouldn't have or lovely drawn out slugfests we like so much.

So yeah, underwater naval warfare it is.

In that scenerio Amarr weapons would suck since lasers always move at the speed of light no matter how fast the source is moving.

Its funny that possibly the very first space ship video game, Asteriods, got the physics right and EvE did not.

I agree we are doing some odd things in "space" but pay no mind to "purist" thought, EVE is Fluidic Space, the region we are in is a "cluster" of stars inside a "big fluidic matter cloud" and it has a natural boyancy and a relativistic plain of settle due to the gravity wells induced by the matter in regard to... *cough cough*... ok, find it's submarines.... Arrrugggaaaa... Arrruuggaaa... Dive dive dive!!!

in the frictionless vauum of real space, there is no upper speed limit an accelerating object would reach (besides obviously the lightspeed-barrier). A ship running it's thrusters or any other propulsion system would simply keep accelerating unitl it's fuel runs out (or until it reaches relativistic speed).

so, imagine, two ships approaching each other with thousands of kilometers per second: any projectile fired on each other would result in an absolute brutal-*******-overkill due to the absurd amounts of kinetic energy released. Thus, we wouldn't have or lovely drawn out slugfests we like so much.

So yeah, underwater naval warfare it is.

liquid space physics.

In that scenerio Amarr weapons would suck since lasers always move at the speed of light no matter how fast the source is moving.

One thing is certain this is Si-Fi so it probably has little to do with wizards or magic.



Tho I wouldn't rule dragons out yet..........


May be if we pray and make sacrifices to the great water being Cthulhu, R'lyeh's foul fluid like influence will subside.

One thing is certain this is Si-Fi so it probably has little to do with wizards or magic.



Tho I wouldn't rule dragons out yet..........


May be if we pray and make sacrifices to the great water being Cthulhu, R'lyeh's foul fluid like influence will subside.

Of course, full Newtonian physics would be a bit of a pain to work with. Let alone if you bring relativity into play.

You can play the game without ever seeing anything other than the UI. One of the best PvP players I know only has a peep hole in his layout of overview, comms, watchlist, locked targts (etc etc etc) dialogs. All his actions are done in the UI space, not the graphics space.

Tho I wouldn't rule dragons out yet..........
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ALLAARRRMMM!!!

Actual submariner here. (sonar tech) There are actually quite a few parallels to submarine combat with Eve combat. We use TMA, tactical motion analysis, to get ranges and courses for contacts. We use things like transversal velocity, range rate, and optimal ranges for weapons. I can actually apply navy solution formulas to Eve for fun.