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Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 212	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:27:00 - [1] - Quote Why do people so often refer to EVE as a submarine sim ? YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1265	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:29:00 - [2] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Why do people so often refer to EVE as a submarine sim ? liquid space physics.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 500	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:29:00 - [3] - Quote you didn't undock yet? a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked
Jovan Geldon SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353 282	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:30:00 - [4] - Quote Try actually flying a spaceship in this game, it's kind of obvious
Xuko Nuki Submerged Living 17	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:30:00 - [5] - Quote Because our spaceships behave like they're underwater not in space. 'Submarine Physics' I thought this thread was going to be about a new submarine game .
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 212	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:35:00 - [6] - Quote Ok lets assume I have undocked and flown a ship. What about inflight physics is 'submarine' like ? could someone expand on the concept for me please? YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1265	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:39:00 - [7] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Ok lets assume I have undocked and flown a ship. What about inflight physics is 'submarine' like ? could someone expand on the concept for me please? Well .. how you accelerate and how you de-accelerate .. You switch on the thrusters and move .. you switch them off you slowing down.
Jace Errata Caldari Provisions Caldari State 83	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:46:00 - [8] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Ok lets assume I have undocked and flown a ship. What about inflight physics is 'submarine' like ? could someone expand on the concept for me please? Well .. how you accelerate and how you de-accelerate .. You switch on the thrusters and move .. you switch them off you slowing down. Also, ships return to a level position when they stop, and never end up on their sides or upside-down. Let's...just assume there's some kind of signature here, 'k? ... ... OH WAIT. Jace Errata on Twitter
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 349	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:49:00 - [9] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Ok lets assume I have undocked and flown a ship. What about inflight physics is 'submarine' like ? could someone expand on the concept for me please? Well .. how you accelerate and how you de-accelerate .. You switch on the thrusters and move .. you switch them off you slowing down. Really? I thought it was because of all the cloaky in the game. Cloak on, underwater. Cloak off, surface? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
MeestaPenni Mercantile and Stuff 136	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:49:00 - [10] - Quote Jace Errata wrote: Also, ships return to a level position when they stop, and never end up on their sides or upside-down. And they "bank" into turns......wtf?
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1265	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:50:00 - [11] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Ok lets assume I have undocked and flown a ship. What about inflight physics is 'submarine' like ? could someone expand on the concept for me please? Well .. how you accelerate and how you de-accelerate .. You switch on the thrusters and move .. you switch them off you slowing down. Really? I thought it was because of all the cloaky in the game. Cloak on, underwater. Cloak off, surface? Dont try to derail the thread with "afk cloacky" threat
Jenshae Chiroptera 417	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:53:00 - [12] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Well .. how you accelerate and how you de-accelerate .. You switch on the thrusters and move .. you switch them off you slowing down. Just expanding on that. There is so little friction in space that the deceleration would not be noticeable. Also turning shouldn't need to take so long, simply just spin the ship then fire thrusters in the opposite direction to stop. .... or all ships could just be spheres that move in any direction without turning and fire in all directions. Ideas & Stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -áStatus: Going phishing.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 161	Posted - 2012.01.11 13:55:00 - [13] - Quote Of course, full Newtonian physics would be a bit of a pain to work with. Let alone if you bring relativity into play. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities.
Arethanerielle Xhiril Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 3	Posted - 2012.01.11 14:12:00 - [14] - Quote in the frictionless vauum of real space, there is no upper speed limit an accelerating object would reach (besides obviously the lightspeed-barrier). A ship running it's thrusters or any other propulsion system would simply keep accelerating unitl it's fuel runs out (or until it reaches relativistic speed). so, imagine, two ships approaching each other with thousands of kilometers per second: any projectile fired on each other would result in an absolute brutal-*******-overkill due to the absurd amounts of kinetic energy released. Thus, we wouldn't have or lovely drawn out slugfests we like so much. So yeah, underwater naval warfare it is.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 161	Posted - 2012.01.11 14:16:00 - [15] - Quote Biggest upper limit on speed? Dust. Always nice being sand blasted by dust travelling with a relative velocity of 0.5C. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 500	Posted - 2012.01.11 14:22:00 - [16] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Of course, full Newtonian physics would be a bit of a pain to work with. Let alone if you bring relativity into play. you are so wrong... a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet 54	Posted - 2012.01.11 14:48:00 - [17] - Quote YA because acceleration and cornering could be more real..........then all my stuff explodes Because I go left and every thing not bolted to some thing else in my ship stays were it last was. The feel of the game seams right to me, don't want to stress stuff so thrusters all over the ship keep the transition smooth. Now the fact that ships tend to look like fish...............
I'thari 35	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:27:00 - [18] - Quote Rel'k Bloodlor wrote: Now the fact that ships tend to look like fish............... ....brings stuff like this which is not so bad either besides, ships generaly looks like either flying turd, ****, pile of scrap... or like Moa =/
Winters Chill Valhalla Legion 44	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:28:00 - [19] - Quote Bienator II wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Of course, full Newtonian physics would be a bit of a pain to work with. Let alone if you bring relativity into play. you are so wrong... No he's not. So you think it would be easy, to simulate 7000+ solar systems with orbiting bodies all being tracked by the server, with the simulated gravity of every said object influencing every ship floating in space along with orbits/newtonian mechanics for ships, and player owned installations? So much could go wrong with this, this game would be unplayable and it would be a bugger to budget cpu cycles for as you would add too many new calculations to simulate a newtonian world. tl;dr: Get out of town.
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet 55	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:29:00 - [20] - Quote hay now the Moa is clearly a duck with a purse.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 789	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:32:00 - [21] - Quote because it is I remember the first time I undocked in beta, as the screen went black and the loading bar did its thing, my mind conjured up the sounds of sloshing water as my ship was carefully deposited into space mind you, this is before I even saw or experienced space in eve I still get that sense when I undock, just not as much now and playing in a cloaky boat totally makes it like subsims but then again I get that feeling when I play a spy in TF2 ping....ping....ping.....BACKSTAB! The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Misina Arlath Sinister Elite 2	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:52:00 - [22] - Quote A plane flies. An animal walks, or runs. Horses gallop! A ship sails. A car drives. You ride a horse, or a bicycle, or another person. But... What does a submarine do? Submerge? But they emerge to? Drive? :(
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 161	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:55:00 - [23] - Quote A submarine is underway FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities.
Roc Wieler Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan 13	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:56:00 - [24] - Quote And of course, if we went with an accurate physics model, we wouldn't see lasers, there would be no explosions in space, there would be no sound, not that EVE has sound anyway, but you get the point.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 789	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:58:00 - [25] - Quote Misina Arlath wrote: A plane flies. An animal walks, or runs. Horses gallop! A ship sails. A car drives. You ride a horse, or a bicycle, or another person. But... What does a submarine do? Submerge? But they emerge to? Drive? :( a submarine sails on the surface and flies while submerged there is little difference between a submerged sub, and a pusher type of aircraft flying in the air and both are pretty close to a spacecraft aside from the physics of space so yeah, it should feel sort of like a subsim with a 360 degree view and infinite LOS The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Zleon Leigh 50	Posted - 2012.01.11 16:14:00 - [26] - Quote You can play the game without ever seeing anything other than the UI. One of the best PvP players I know only has a peep hole in his layout of overview, comms, watchlist, locked targts (etc etc etc) dialogs. All his actions are done in the UI space, not the graphics space. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet 56	Posted - 2012.01.11 16:28:00 - [27] - Quote They explained the sound thing already, its piped in so we don't go mad.
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 0	Posted - 2012.01.11 17:16:00 - [28] - Quote Rel'k Bloodlor wrote: They explained the sound thing already, its piped in so we don't go mad. And yet sometimes the sound itself is enough to drive us mad...
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 74	Posted - 2012.01.11 17:32:00 - [29] - Quote The mechanics of the game itself mirror submarine simulation games (Silent Hunter III or 688i) more than they do space flight simulations (X series, Freelancer, or Elite). Sitting with your nose to the D-scan, local, and overview is a lot more like monitoring a passive sonar system than any kind of interactive radar system from the space flight sims. You don't directly control your ships, you issue it orders. You don't aim your weapons, you issue them orders. I personally love sub sims, so this is fine with me, but I can see where people would be put off when you refer to it as a submarine sim. Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok?
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 3	Posted - 2012.01.11 17:37:00 - [30] - Quote I thought this thread was going to be about a new submarine game LEFT DISSAPPOINTED

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