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Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:52:00 - [1] All i see when i read any anti-bob post especialy ones like the OP is a player who at one time or another lost big time to bob and is looking for a way to get a dig in. The ascn issue was a prime example they fought the biggest alliance in the game and all they got from ppl like the OP was comments about how ascn were not a pvp alliance. Well who should they have fought then if the biggest was wrong?. Id be glad to hear from anybody who can say how and who bob should have fought, perhaps everybody all at once so they would actualy lose?.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 13:57:00 - [2] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Orangir Well the entire time you've owned territory in the north you've been perpetually reamed by RAZOR and company so it'd be a little hard to single out one specific incident. Let's just suffice it to say that your alliance fails at pretty much everything it attempts to do without MC support. Just to clarify, this isn't a troll. I truly believe FATAL is the worst alliance managing to hold space in all of Eve. You're simply terrible at everything you do, attempt to do, or theorycraft about doing. You'd probably failure cascade faster than M. PIRE if RAZOR put any pressure on your space, and that's saying a lot considering that the majority of M. PIRE is ex-LV. Id say your opinion is about normal for a goon. In other words totaly nonsensical and predjudiced to a point of idiocy. And as far as getting reamed by razor or anybody else up here you are kidding yourself buddy after sending snigg and razor packing everytime they have paid us a visit over the last month we tend to go down to m-pire areas or razor space just to get a fight as they do not visit much anymore. And we realy need no lessons in holding space from ppl who need others to do it for them.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 14:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Murina on 28/07/2007 14:38:28 Originally by: Vio Geraci So FATAL, how's life in the drone regions? I haven't looked at a map lately, but that's where I remember you being located. Or did you move south? HMMMMMMMMM Dunno m8 after getting paid 22bil for the outpost we built by a coalition of alliances that outnumbered our 80 man alliance over 40-1 at the time and also them making us pwomise not to come back and shoot their liccle shwips for 3 months we moved away loling our asses off. Originally by: Ogodai John Yeah, you're like, totally wtfpwning them so hard that one after the other all their allies get kicked out of their space and leave the area! Oh wai... The more they bring the more fights we get were a pvp alliance why would we want ppl who give us great fights to move away. And i do credit razor as a gr8 enemy we have had more fun battles over the last few months than we ever have had anywhere else in eve. Keep it up and keep coming i say to all razor guys your great foes and win or lose i hope you enjoy the fighting as much as we do.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 16:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Fvahnqroxt Pnarzjeld Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Yup 10 bucks to join a alliance that got its butt kicked then waited til we defeated enough ppl to give them a actual chance to take and hold a few systems instead of hiding behing others skirts in a npc station. This statement and reality are in conflict. So to go on goon forums it does'nt cost $10? a guy from goon earlier said it does. Read below please; Originally by: Dagam Well 10 bux is to Lowtax, it lets you post on his forums and is one of the requirements for joining Goonfleet. And where did goon go after bob and buddies kicked you out of 0.0 and who are those ships you have with you flown by now your back?. lol
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 16:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Murina And we realy need no lessons in holding space from ppl who need others to do it for them. Well, we're better at it than you, at least. Realy?. We got paid 22bil when we lost our outpost in a war against a coalition witn over 40-1 advantage in numbers. How much did you get paid when you lost your space???.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 16:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Alias11 Edited by: Alias11 on 28/07/2007 16:34:56 Originally by: Murina Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Murina And we realy need no lessons in holding space from ppl who need others to do it for them. Well, we're better at it than you, at least. Realy?. We got paid 22bil when we lost our outpost in a war against a coalition witn over 40-1 advantage in numbers. How much did you get paid when you lost your space???. I dunno, but I don't think we paid anything for all of your old space You know, I always forget that you guys ran like little girls before we started attacking LV, but I'll just allude to the fact that DICE did all the heavy lifting for you guys in the drone regions So your saying that 4-6 months before you attacked LV we knew you were coming and left?. LOL just LOL. And by all means check any of the numerous alliances KB from the drone regions and see if you find any DICE on them from our war lol. You should realy get your facts straight before you post a moronic claim about dice fighting for us. We hired MC to help us kill a MS and they did, they were with us for one night and left. Outbreak had about 20 sniping BS in our space for less that a week and shot some BS. And i did not ask how much goon (and the guys YOU BROUGHT with you that actualy beat LV) paid for LV space. I asked how much BOB paid you when they kicked you out of your old systems cos like i said we got 22bil for ours in the drone area if we promised not to come back for 3 months.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 02:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Wigglytuff Then don't talk about how much other alliances suck due to not having allies to keep them alive. My point was Goonswarm wouldn't be where they are without said allies. And my point was that FATAL wouldn't be anywhere at all without MC because they're a terrible alliance, whereas Goonswarm can actually accomplish some tasks on its own. (see: retaking of 9-9 and XGH) Comments about FATAL or any other alliance being good or bad by the blobswarm is a joke. How would a member of a alliance that prides itself on totaly out blobing to take a system and or crashing the node to defend a system even begin to know what makes a good alliance. We would wipe the floor with you if the numbers were anywhere near close or even 2-1 and so would any other alliance in eve. Goon are by far the worst alliance in eve and it would be a better place without you and your enjoyment ruining and unimaginitive style of play.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:18:00 - [8] Edited by: Murina on 31/07/2007 16:19:01 Originally by: KIATolon Okay, I will say this again, and it will probably fall on deaf ears. 1) we've spent a fair chunk of time with number inferiority in the past, and will do in the future. 2) We have more people because we have very experienced people in an aspect of pvp. People management. Some of our directors are expects at forging and MAINTAINING relationships, and that's why we can bring more to the fight. It's all pvp. I hear everything you have said. I do remember when you had "less" numbers because you lost. (but then you are also one of the few alliances in eve that have lost when you had more) And its easy to maintain and forge relationships when your recruiting ppl who just or in the past got there asses handed to them by the guys you want them to fight. And creating a titanic blob is not an aspect of pvp or a skill it is an abuse of it. But like he said it happened in the history of the planet and its happening now in eve and will happen again if we get pushed together just like we did to you. Its like a wave in a bath tub it hits a point of maximum density at one end and it has no choice but to push back. Enjoy your time at the front of the wave if you understand the concept then pretty soon it will be you losing ground as soon as it hits the end of the tub.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:57:00 - [9] Edited by: Murina on 31/07/2007 17:59:30 Originally by: Crivens Originally by: Murina But like he said it happened in the history of the planet and its happening now in eve and will happen again if we get pushed together just like we did to you. Its like a wave in a bath tub it hits a point of maximum density at one end and it has no choice but to push back. So it's like a pendulum ? Nope a pendulum relies on inertia and gravity it does not create an oposing force with its own movment that eventualy pushes it back as BOB did with you guys. Think of it as squeezing somthing into a small space that cannot be poped (as eve cannot) eventualy it becomes so compact the force it generates is greater that the force you can apply to keep it contained. BOB pushed you ascn and god knows how many others back into a smaller area than you were in one at a time. You then got together. And as a huge compact entity you have tremendous force as you break out, and BOB and allies now having to cover the space you were removed from no longer have the numbers in one place to keep you bottled up. But the more area you expand into and need to cover the less force or "squirty" as my 4yr old niece calls it (she is here atm and im trying to explain as i type sori) you have. Until eventualy you either find a point of rest and the war stalls or you push BOB into the same position you were in and they then "squirty" you. Unless eve create a genocide gun that totaly kills your character then this will always be the case as nobody can actualy remove another from the game. So all we end up doing is creating oposing forces every time we win a war or become successful.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:06:00 - [10] Edited by: Murina on 02/08/2007 01:07:37 My comments make sense because.. they.. do. Wow nothing like a detailed and well thought out argument to just blow his report out of the water lol ok we all submit to your obviously overwhelming and superior mind.

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