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Dzikus
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Posted - 2004.01.29 09:10:00 -
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I think it's unfair from CCP side to steal from us via introduction of the patch. To be more specific:
as a reword from missions you could receive different Tech2 tools like R.A.M. You could use it, sell it or refine it. It was worth about 50k in minerals (including Megacyte and Zydarine) to refine one RAM. Now it is worth about 28k because you no longer get Mega or Zyd.
My friend had about 60 milion ISK in unrefined Tools. Now he has about 30 milion. Nobody told us that this will change - and it was our hard work and our rewards for often dull and repetitive missions.
I lost just few milions ISK.
If it is a bug - please correct it.
If it is a feature - please inform us about it BEFORE you introduce it - else it is like stealing. It's unfair.
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Like ICare
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Posted - 2004.01.29 09:25:00 -
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Sadly, have to agree with that.
If it was a bug (that such items gave MEGA+ZYDR, I mean), devs had the full right to correct it without further notice.
But, as far as I know, CCP never said that.
So, they're plainly stealing from our work.
nuff said
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2004.01.29 09:31:00 -
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Indeed a sad face time :-(
i had a fair few tech2 tools as well
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.01.29 09:32:00 -
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They haven't stolen anything. They simply reduced your profit from those items...
Correct me if I am wrong, but have you actually lost ISK? Were the components meant to be craved after for their recycling value only? No, I didn't think so...
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Babe Saint
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Posted - 2004.01.29 09:47:00 -
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Nightfang, where do you come from? Mars?
Nonsense.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2004.01.29 10:35:00 -
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well in the long run, if items were going for minimum of 50k each you'd be looking at 10 million in components alone to build a low end elite frig .. (so what market price 30m+ if people had a monopoly?) somehow I doubt they quite intended elite frigs to cost as much as a battleship ..
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.01.29 10:38:00 -
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I think it's unfair from CCP side to steal from us via introduction of the patch. To be more specific:
as a reword from missions you could receive different Tech2 tools like R.A.M. You could use it, sell it or refine it. It was worth about 50k in minerals (including Megacyte and Zydarine) to refine one RAM. Now it is worth about 28k because you no longer get Mega or Zyd.
My friend had about 60 milion ISK in unrefined Tools. Now he has about 30 milion. Nobody told us that this will change - and it was our hard work and our rewards for often dull and repetitive missions.
I lost just few milions ISK.
If it is a bug - please correct it.
If it is a feature - please inform us about it BEFORE you introduce it - else it is like stealing. It's unfair.
*moan*moan*whine*etc*etc*
I done houndreds and houndreds of agent missions. Each mission you get paid in ISK for. Whatever else you get is a "bonus reward". To complain about a bonus reward wich you get for free is well, idiotic. And these items was never meant to be a "recycling cash cow", but items required for t2 production.
The world of EVE and everything within it changes, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, all in the eyes of the beholder. You can moan and complain, but the only thing you can do if you want to progress is to adapt and carry on.
If you just sulk like a cry baby and moan about your toys get taken away for you. You end up waste a lot of energy for nothing.
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Like ICare
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Posted - 2004.01.29 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Like ICare on 29/01/2004 10:46:33
It's not about moaning and whining, CCP had the full right to fix the value of T2 items, only they SHOULD have informed us about it.
If the items wouldn't be meant to give megacyte or zydrine (this means it was a bug or an unintended feature), they should've said they were going to fix it.
Not a single word was spent about it, and THAT'S the wrong point in this sit.
Complaining is way different from whining, especially when an unfair move compromises the plans you've made for the future.
Yes, you have to make do and look ahead, fit to the new situation and stuff, but this darwinian-macho attitude doesn't mean the CCP didn't make an unfair move. Period.
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2004.01.29 11:12:00 -
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It's not about moaning and whining, CCP had the full right to fix the value of T2 items, only they SHOULD have informed us about it.
Only problem with that is everyone and their grandmother would have refined all their T2 components prior to the patch.
I think we can safely say CCP didn't want the market influx of mega/ zyd from T2 component recycling, other wise they would have done exactly as you say  .
Seems to me CCP are trying to limit mega/ zyd availability to bring BS ownership back down to the levels they originally planned ...
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.01.29 11:24:00 -
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Seems to me CCP are trying to limit mega/ zyd availability to bring BS ownership back down to the levels they originally planned ...
you forgott to mention that they are ebil pirates that kill everyone in-game 
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DaLeila
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Posted - 2004.01.29 11:27:00 -
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sorry, but taking away my hardly earned mega and zyd is not the way do deal with that problem.
it¦s like: hey this corp has to much ISK - they are way too strong - lets take half of their ISK......
it¦s a loss for me and alot of other players, if you are not affected good for u, but doing these dumb missions over and over just to get some mega and zyd and coming out with nothing makes me very angry.
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2004.01.29 12:17:00 -
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Actually I'm affected - I have 3000-4000 T2 components sitting in my hangar ...
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2004.01.29 12:27:00 -
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Yeah, I am sure we all have view on it.
But lets face the facts.
Small armour reparer II costing how much to make? Have you done the maths? Its a massive additional cost for that 50% extra repaired hits per cycle.
If that was the case to expect, and elite frigates ended up costing as much as cruisers, or far more, then is it actually going to provide goods that will sell en mass, not just one or two, but lots and lots over time?
There is a limit to how much people will pay. Miner 2 was a slightly over exagerated one because I think we can safely say the less time spent mining the happier we all were.
Less time spent repairing for how much extra cost?
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Like ICare
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Posted - 2004.01.29 12:42:00 -
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Only problem with that is everyone and their grandmother would have refined all their T2 components prior to the patch.
I think we can safely say CCP didn't want the market influx of mega/ zyd from T2 component recycling, other wise they would have done exactly as you say .
Seems to me CCP are trying to limit mega/ zyd availability to bring BS ownership back down to the levels they originally planned ...
Yes, I already thought about it, but it is a fact that THEY did an error in the first place, buy allowing such items to give unreasonably high quantities of rare minerals, if refined, underestimating the influx this items could have on the overall availability of rare minerals. And the drop frequency was messed up, too, as the drops where too frequents.
But it WAS THEIR "FAULT". So the rebalancing was needed.
And it's not fair that WE are going to pay for an error they made. This is it.
In the end, however, this issue is not going to have much weight on anyone's plans, I guess, and maybe this is the most important thing. 
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Like ICare
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Posted - 2004.01.29 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Like ICare on 29/01/2004 12:44:35
ops, posted twice :)
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Dzikus
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Posted - 2004.01.29 13:15:00 -
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Some explanation from my side.
I can live with this change. Even more - I am happy to do mission and receive additional 12 RAMs - it's still at least 336k in minerals (and maybe more on market), and maybe (dreaming mode on) i will be able to use it for some Tech2 production one day (dreaming mode off). The only problem I have - I was not informed that they will take half of my ISKs which were stored in RAMs. If it was a sudden move on the market - no problem - megacyte prices are changing every day, I understand it. But this was like "they have to much cash in these RAMs - lets take it away".
Maybe it's childish but I feel like CCP stole my candies. And now other kids are lauging of me and saying "you should eat it faster". Hard to trust CCP anymore.
And I think CCP needs our trust if they want us to commit time to them. Not to any other MMORPGs out there.
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Nwalmaer
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Posted - 2004.01.29 13:45:00 -
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and it was our hard work
No it wasn't. It was your easy and riskfree work. You could easily earn ISK for a Battleship every week... for flying around and moving some reports 7 jumps or killing a 35k pirate every now and then. Please.
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.01.29 14:59:00 -
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No it wasn't. It was your easy and riskfree work. You could easily earn ISK for a Battleship every week... for flying around and moving some reports 7 jumps or killing a 35k pirate every now and then. Please.
Huh. Can you give me the name of this mythical agent who gives you so many awesome missions in a week that you can afford a battleship?
You can post that Agent's name here, or send me an EVE-mail. I'm very interested in setting something up. Sounds amazing!
You wouldn't even need to buy insurance, because every week, you could just buy yourself a new battleship!
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MrCjEvans
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Posted - 2004.01.29 15:09:00 -
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it is pathetic that all this stuff is available onlt through missions anyway.
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Conrad
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Posted - 2004.01.29 15:10:00 -
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I'm guessing that was taking the truth too far with affording a battleship every week. The intent of these items was to build tech 2 stuff. Did you ever think that the are goign to be worth a LOT more than the mineral value? Tech 2 comes in and require these construction components. I bet you'll complain just as much that you refined all those components when they are selling for a bundle. I'm glad I didn't refine all of my components, they'll be worth a lot when many corps have tech 2 bps. CCP is not in the wrong in any way, imho. Informing us would have been worse than not informing because mega would have dropped in half in cost.
Nothing should be a free lunch here, those agent missions are EASY, real easy. No hard earned work there.
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Jexter
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Posted - 2004.01.29 15:16:00 -
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What Conrad said.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.29 15:34:00 -
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"But it WAS THEIR "FAULT". So the rebalancing was needed.
And it's not fair that WE are going to pay for an error they made. This is it."
... Introducing rare minerals in those components was a mistake, as it both increased the price of tech.2 parts, and created risk-free way to obtain the rare minerals in large amounts.
Telling in advance everyone about that ability, and giving enough time so everyone could make use of it... would be another mistake.
Am glad in the end they made just one error, not two. That it's not 'fair' for those few who were counting on making easy millions? Tough.
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6aqua9
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Posted - 2004.01.29 15:50:00 -
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to all you nice ppl saying 'it wasn`t intended this way so they changed it'
you are all stooooooooooooooooooopid
if it wasn`t intended
why the bloody hell did they release it ???
think about it before posting idiotic responses
or just 'suck down dont think' and even dont post
i`m with dzikus, first think maybe then suck down but most times not - 2 months left i`m gonna rethink my subs ...you make me really sick while ppl post thoughts they post nice they dont ***** and you say 'all whine' << idiots
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.01.29 16:09:00 -
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If they really wanted to make tech 2 components actually valuable they would release more tech 2 bp's.
What's the point of making them less profitable to recycle if there's still no real manufacturer demand for these items a month after the release of Castor?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.29 16:30:00 -
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"to all you nice ppl saying 'it wasn`t intended this way so they changed it'
you are all stooooooooooooooooooopid
if it wasn`t intended
why the bloody hell did they release it ???
think about it before posting idiotic responses"
... Using your own argument -- if it was intended, why 'the bloody hell' was it removed?
Take your own advice.
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Dzikus
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Posted - 2004.01.29 17:25:00 -
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For easy earnings - you can earn 2-3 millions/hour for mining scorodite in 0.9. This is totally risk free. And if this was a bug - great if they corrected it.
And for Tech2 - I heard of it for (almost) last 2 months, but never actually seen it. Have you?
Maybe in next two months i will have 1 BP - maybe it will not be as useless as Small Armour Repairer II or Small Smartbomb II. And maybe then i will be able to use my Tech2 Tools. But for now these tools are worth about as much as minerals I get from refine.
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.29 17:28:00 -
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Anyone who bought T2 components off the market, pls raise your hand. If not STFU. Whining carebears....jeez. How did u lose anything, u lost only potential earnings, your fault for sitting on the things.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.29 17:56:00 -
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"For easy earnings - you can earn 2-3 millions/hour for mining scorodite in 0.9. This is totally risk free."
That's nice, but hardly relevant. The point is, the tech.2 parts were risk-free source of rare minerals and those minerals were at the same time making those parts --and consequently produced equipment-- expensive. The easy earning was just side-effect.
"And for Tech2 - I heard of it for (almost) last 2 months, but never actually seen it. Have you?"
Yes; check escrow deals and now also the regular market.
"Maybe in next two months i will have 1 BP - maybe it will not be as useless as Small Armour Repairer II or Small Smartbomb II. And maybe then i will be able to use my Tech2 Tools. But for now these tools are worth about as much as minerals I get from refine."
... There's more people than just you who have or will have those blueprints, and do or will need those parts. If you have no use for them yourself, why not simply put them on sale?
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Nwalmaer
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Posted - 2004.01.29 18:05:00 -
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Huh. Can you give me the name of this mythical agent who gives you so many awesome missions in a week that you can afford a battleship?
You can post that Agent's name here, or send me an EVE-mail. I'm very interested in setting something up. Sounds amazing!
You wouldn't even need to buy insurance, because every week, you could just buy yourself a new battleship!
Caldari Navy. Security department I think. Not my agent, a friends.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.01.29 18:23:00 -
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... There's more people than just you who have or will have those blueprints, and do or will need those parts. If you have no use for them yourself, why not simply put them on sale?
Oh and what price would you suggest? Maybe, [cough]-[cough], mineral value? Oh my that's already been done.
Agent missions risk free? This game is all about balancing risk/effort vs. reward. They've simply reduced agent missions back to something that is dreadfully boring and unrewarding... pre-castor anyone?
That is of course not counting the introduction of level 4 agents.... we call them level 3 but some of the missions now require gangs of people to complete. Unless you were lucky enough to get a battleship or a pile of dough before CCP decided to change the rules.
"Ummm.... you are right. That would be check except for now your Queen moves like a pawn. And, ummm... my bishops act as King clone's in case he gets podded, er, taken." - Comment overheard in a CCP lounge area
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.29 18:51:00 -
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"Oh and what price would you suggest? Maybe, [cough]-[cough], mineral value? Oh my that's already been done"
Up to you, really; try mineral value if that suits you, or try to charge more and see if the market can bear it. Supply and demand, right? (and supply is going seriously down from what i hear)
"Agent missions risk free?"
There's risk in sitting in station, asking for mission after mission and clicking 'decline' when you don't get courier mission for couple of jumps with tech.2 rewards, or a 'kill 20k rat' mission with similar bonus?
"This game is all about balancing risk/effort vs. reward."
Yes; i don't consider a reward of 1-2 mil in tech.2 parts for doing few jumps in frigate through empire space balanced. Do you?
(that's from personal experience btw, not a hearsay)
"That is of course not counting the introduction of level 4 agents.... we call them level 3 but some of the missions now require gangs of people to complete. Unless you were lucky enough to get a battleship or a pile of dough before CCP decided to change the rules."
Couple of battleship kill missions are hardly introduction of 'level 4' agents. And no, they don't require gangs of people to complete.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:12:00 -
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I will agree that I felt mission rewards were a bit skewed. But after this 2nd adjustment I'm not sure if they decided this time to go as absolutley one direction as opposed to when Castor first came out.
As to cruising... well standing drops were supposed to cure that. Big to do about that pre-castor and post-castor. You know that expiring of a mission offer thing? Is that working out or will CCP be adjusting that as well.
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Yes; i don't consider a reward of 1-2 mil in tech.2 parts for doing few jumps in frigate through empire space balanced. Do you?
The missions, and the rewards, have far too much randomness in it. Which is a good and bad thing.
The bad thing: That occaisionally the above example is true and can be touted as the fault of the sytem. Of course you fail to mention the crapola missions on the other, yet equal in number, end of the spectrum.
The good thing: It is a lottery. Sometimes you hit and sometimes you don't. You can train up negotiation skill to try to have some influence on it but hey... thems the breaks.
Or are you inclined to have the Tech II release system completely changed on you. And get told after the fact?
It is a lottery. There is some ******* out there who is doing zero r&d agent missions, trained a skill to level 1 and nothing more.
Gee effort/risk vs. reward doesn't get applied
then does it?
As to the BS kill missions. Yeah my anology was a little dramatic.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:23:00 -
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"I will agree that I felt mission rewards were a bit skewed. But after this 2nd adjustment I'm not sure if they decided this time to go as absolutley one direction as opposed to when Castor first came out."
From the discussion in Missions section, it seems the decision to nerf rewards was based on shorter travel times in Castor... what they didn't account for though was, those shorter travel times were result of the jump-in bug.
So, i expect the rewards are going to get another rebalance in few days, hopefully 'tis time they hit the happy middle spot. ^^
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:32:00 -
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Anyone who bought T2 components off the market, pls raise your hand. If not STFU. Whining carebears....jeez. How did u lose anything, u lost only potential earnings, your fault for sitting on the things.
Raises hand.
How could I lose? I bought them for less than mineral recycle value.
I still think I am going to make a profit though. I sincerely hope everyone was refining their stuff, just makes my inventory more valuable. I hope.
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DaLeila
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:38:00 -
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@Bal - yes, i sat on my stuff - waiting to finish refining efficiency 5...
and yes i bought tech2 tools from market for that reason...
and YES i¦m absolutely ****ed by the patch - taking my only chance to get some mega and zyd.... |
Mandara
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mandara on 29/01/2004 19:39:20
raises hand
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:50:00 -
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So, i expect the rewards are going to get another rebalance in few days, hopefully 'tis time they hit the happy middle spot.
I guess there aren't too many woman working at CCP. Always takes men a couple of tries to hit that... right.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Quanova
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Posted - 2004.01.29 20:11:00 -
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Well, I lost more than 80.000.000 isk worth of minerals due to that change. Needless to say how I feel about it. |
Serenity Justice
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Posted - 2004.01.29 21:10:00 -
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I was making 100M a week doing lvl 3 Navy missions and never even touched the 1000's of t2 parts I have hoarded. I will simply wait until demand rises (it will in time) and get the same or better money from the parts. Either that, or if I'm lucky to get a BP I will be able to make units with T2 parts that now have lower cost and mark them up a bit more and still make my *lost* profit back.
Agent mission rewards were retardedly high (primarily lvl 3 combat corps) and needed to have the rare mins removed to allow the megacyte market and those who truely risk their necks (insurance costs etc) to make decent money mining the stuff. It was throwing off the balance of how the game was supposed to run. Who was going to mine under the threat of instadeath and haul the crap dozens of jumps for less profits? and if not for that use, how many more people would leave 0.0 and come back to Empire space again?
I "lost" at least 200M in mins from the T2 changes and I could care less, it had to be changed and letting everyone know beforehand and cash out would have greatly increased the problem of excess easy money and rare mins. This way it will stabilize quicker and less people get rich for little effort (it's like finding a bug and exploiting it, we all knew it was too good to be true......).
Only thing I would like is that now the T2 items are handed out less, they could up the isk rewards a touch more. I am getting about 50% or less per mission now. I know the amount of parts rewarded is based on the value in isk of the bonus but the frequency of T2 drops alone should reduce supply without having to nuke the payout entirely. |
Turin
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Posted - 2004.01.30 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Turin on 30/01/2004 00:48:14
There re two kinds of people I noticed in this thread.
The people who already refined all the stuff they had and are going
"HAHAHAHA, I knew this was coming and thought it was needed. Mega / Zyd is gonna go through the roof!!!!! Wanna buy some from me at a highly upmarked price? I have loads and loads of it"
The people who didnt have this stuff before hand, and are now stuck with tiny bank accounts.
The people who did the refines get a double whammy out of this. Not only do they now have tons and tons of mega / Zyd. They now have a very expensive market to sell it to as well.
So, the people who already took advantage of this and are filthy rich, dont care. And are happy cause they will remain filthy rich and able to bleed the poor.
Then the people like me who DIDNT take advantage of this, are stuck mining for the next for a couple weeks to make what you guys were making in a couple days. We of course want the change back the way it was so we can take advantage of un-intended game mechanics and get rich just like the rest of you.
Also, Id like to say, the missions isk reward reduction sucks a big fat one. I should certainly make more than 100k from 4 hours of work from a lvl 1 agent.
Personally, IF I had my way. All the money made from tech 2 refines would be DELETD. with no re-imbusement. And if you didnt have that much cash to pay back what you "made" then you should go into a negative balance. Untill you pay off the debt you owe. :) now THAT would be fair. :)
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.01.30 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: Silverlancer on 30/01/2004 01:27:43
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I think it's unfair from CCP side to steal from us via introduction of the patch. To be more specific:
as a reword from missions you could receive different Tech2 tools like R.A.M. You could use it, sell it or refine it. It was worth about 50k in minerals (including Megacyte and Zydarine) to refine one RAM. Now it is worth about 28k because you no longer get Mega or Zyd.
My friend had about 60 milion ISK in unrefined Tools. Now he has about 30 milion. Nobody told us that this will change - and it was our hard work and our rewards for often dull and repetitive missions.
I lost just few milions ISK.
If it is a bug - please correct it.
If it is a feature - please inform us about it BEFORE you introduce it - else it is like stealing. It's unfair.
Yes, CCP should tell you... but you should refine things as you get them, not wait... 
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Tirren
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Posted - 2004.01.30 06:04:00 -
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It's not about moaning and whining, CCP had the full right to fix the value of T2 items, only they SHOULD have informed us about it.
Only problem with that is everyone and their grandmother would have refined all their T2 components prior to the patch.
I think we can safely say CCP didn't want the market influx of mega/ zyd from T2 component recycling, other wise they would have done exactly as you say .
Seems to me CCP are trying to limit mega/ zyd availability to bring BS ownership back down to the levels they originally planned ...
But you forget about the people with the buy orders for large amounts of isk BASED off what the mineral recycle value is. They spent lots of money to either recyle or stock up. They should have had the opportunity to recycle for their current value and buy more post patch with that income. Andsaying they weren't meant for recycling is like saying .4 space wasn't meant for M0o camping.
"I can only take so much before I'll blow up my own ship. Hey isn't that what insurance is for?"
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.01.30 06:38:00 -
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*ChougHwhinersChougH*
Easy money get taken away fast in eve. You all know that. Patch was coming. You all knew that. I have no pitty what so ever for you.
You had every chance to refine the stuff. But in your quest for a higher profit, you forgot that high risk goes with that.
When has the last time been somone was kind enough to inform the stock traders in RL that: "Excuse me but you better seel those high risk stocks. Market is going to crash next week."
If you want to ensure you big profit, do it. Untill then its in the risk zone.
Simple.
Besides, with more Tech II bps coming and the components now beeing much more rare, I predict good times for the people that DID NOT recycle. But thats just a guess...
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.30 07:47:00 -
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So, i expect the rewards are going to get another rebalance in few days, hopefully 'tis time they hit the happy middle spot.
I guess there aren't too many woman working at CCP. Always takes men a couple of tries to hit that... right.
You've obviously never been with a Gallente...
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.30 08:03:00 -
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Also, as I think I just wrote in one of the other threads about this topic...
I have thousands of units of techII stuff, almost every item, I think.
I didn't recycle them, I don't care. I believe their value will increase, since, in the last 40 (level 3) agent missions I've had, I've been offered none at all.
Also, yes, you could make a BS per week off agent missions. I did, twice, in the two weeks after castor. I made about 250M from rewards, bounties, and implant/skillbook sales. And since the patch, they are dropping even better implants, worth even more isk.
so people doing agent missions shouldn't really be complaining.
As for the people who bought large amounts of them purely for recycling, that's tough beans. Had you been buying them for making techII stuff with, and their value halved, I would have some sympathy. But I don't.
Also, telling everyone beforehand would be counter productive. They introduced these tools before the blueprints for a reason: People would complain when they got their techII BP that they couldn't source the tools, because everyone would rather recycle them.
Had they told everyone, 50% of the games stock of techII stuff would become armor on some empire-runners battleship.
I'd rather have several thousand techII bits than a pile of megacyte at this point in time.
It will be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out, price-wise.
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Posted - 2004.01.30 09:29:00 -
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*ChougHwhinersChougH*
Easy money get taken away fast in eve. You all know that. Patch was coming. You all knew that. I have no pitty what so ever for you.
You had every chance to refine the stuff. But in your quest for a higher profit, you forgot that high risk goes with that.
When has the last time been somone was kind enough to inform the stock traders in RL that: "Excuse me but you better seel those high risk stocks. Market is going to crash next week."
If you want to ensure you big profit, do it. Untill then its in the risk zone.
Simple.
I was a little ticked about the changes, but you made a damn good point, and set me at ease.
Pretty much end of dissusion IMO.
-Inkog
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.30 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 30/01/2004 17:10:04
You forgot the third kind.
That are sittng on there stuff waiting for the market to change. As I read in another thread these goods are likely to rise beyond what the value was for refining making those that refined wish they hadn't.
And to be honest as the game has developed there have been loads of instances where changes in the game have made being in the right place at the right time and making the right decision important to making a killing. It will happen again and again, No use complaining or crowing.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.30 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 30/01/2004 14:14:30
Sorry double post.
What goes around comes around...
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.01.30 15:13:00 -
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You forgot the third kind.
Thast are sittng on there stuff waiting fr the market to change. As I read in onther thread these goods are likely to rise beyond what the value was for refining making those that refined wish they hadnt.
Agreed!!
Wish more people had refined, makes my inventory more valuable.
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