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Dr Qu Caldari Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:37:00 - [31] Pretty simple, really. Where there is a market, there are sellers. People to buy isk? Then the farmers find a way to make isk to sell. No market, no sellers / farmers. Should be plain obvious to everyone, really. Rather amusing that the farmers get all the blame. Nevermind the people that actually buy them isk to keep them in business. Me, I dislike isk farmers with intent to sell. But I dislike the people who buy isk equally much. They are part of the problem, if not a bigger part, then the farmers are. Sadly enough, you never hear anyone reporting isk buyers, only the isk farmers. :: "In hullintegrity we trust" ::
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Dr Qu Pretty simple, really. Where there is a market, there are sellers. People to buy isk? Then the farmers find a way to make isk to sell. No market, no sellers / farmers. Should be plain obvious to everyone, really. Rather amusing that the farmers get all the blame. Nevermind the people that actually buy them isk to keep them in business. Me, I dislike isk farmers with intent to sell. But I dislike the people who buy isk equally much. They are part of the problem, if not a bigger part, then the farmers are. Sadly enough, you never hear anyone reporting isk buyers, only the isk farmers. Thing is, it's kinda hard to know who is buying ISK. Noobs with lots of cash could have gotten it through GTCs, so even "ebayers" can actually be legitimate. I think most people dislike ISK buyers as much as ISK sellers, but pointing fingers isn't as easily done as doing so at character "falkhg" from "buescrew".
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 15:21:00 - [33] Edited by: Del369 on 29/07/2007 15:21:01 Originally by: Ephemeron Today I ran accross one of buescrew Raven farmers in Branch. A quick "show info" revealed that they are part of IAC alliance again. In case some people are still unclear, buescrew is one of the most well known chinese isk farming corps. When you see the isk seller spam on public channels, you can be sure that at least some of that isk is coming from the buescrew farm sweatshops. If you examine many other 23/7 Raven isk farmers, you'll notice that about 30% of them have been in buescrew corp at some point. I know that IAC is just using the isk farmers to "steal" some of their money, basically making them pay rent for regions they don't even control. But the real issue is that actions of IAC give corps like buescrew in-game legitimacy. CCP is less likely to deal with them now. If real alliances didn't tolerate chinese isk farmers for their personal gain, CCP would have easier time identifying and banning the isk farmers. Yes it sems they were removed for not paying, turns out the reason they hadn't paid was because CCP had temp banned their leaders account, probably while they were investigating said "allegations" Can't for the life of me imagine why they would then UNBAN said account ??? unless the only thing they are actually guilty of is not being able to communicate in english very well. Originally by: Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
MKeeper Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2007.07.29 15:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Aya Set to red... dont let them think they will not get blown up in northern space because of blue standings. Dont say they arent isk farmers because they are. Go play ffxi or Wow or any other game where you deal with the chinese RMT on a daily basis and cant kill them. You will be able to spot them in a legit crowd of players instantly. Agreed, if IAC really are using them for their own means, that's one thing but as long as they do not expect the other friendly alliances to honour the blue standings to IAC when it's one of these Ravens.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.29 15:32:00 - [35] 1) Accept ratting corp into alliance 2) Sell them a region you don't own 3) ??? 4) Profit!
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 15:37:00 - [36] Racist vigilante wannabe GMs cry me a river please. http://eve.klaki.net/
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.29 15:51:00 - [37] Assuming they are actually macro ratters, it's really no different from stealing from macro miners in empire, just less work involved.
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.07.29 15:59:00 - [38] Instead of whining you could unite and grief the farmers out of the game, i'm sure BOB would give + standings for a good cause Now this thread is about why BOB won't give + standings to hunt farmers in their space. BOB is indirectly harboring farmers in their space
Clean Acceptable Losses	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:17:00 - [39] Oh man i still dont get it why you guys belive this obvious and stupid "we sell them hostile space" crap They move where ever systems are empty to take em for a ratting place. While beeing in IAC i saw a lot of em making thier money in the south of Wicked Creek and Detorid. So can IAC tell me since when Detorid (Goonspace) and Wicked Creek (TCF Terf) is hostile space ?! You definetly provide isk sellers standings (far less risk) and docking rights (fitting storrage of mods and ammo) in coalition space. Oh u get paid for it....ok np than its totaly fine right ?!
Waxau Amarr Liberty Rogues Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:21:00 - [40] Lol @ This thread

Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Racist vigilante wannabe GMs cry me a river please. I find this a very interesting quotation. The fact that Tyrrax hasn't recoginized a complaint by a ally either states that the OP is a person of little power or that thorrk doesn't consider RZR an ally. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:33:00 - [42] If IAC kicks them out, they will still farm NPCs... So kicking them out will do nothing, might aswell make isk off them. :S
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Ephemeron Today I ran accross one of buescrew Raven farmers in Branch. A quick "show info" revealed that they are part of IAC alliance again. In case some people are still unclear, buescrew is one of the most well known chinese isk farming corps. When you see the isk seller spam on public channels, you can be sure that at least some of that isk is coming from the buescrew farm sweatshops. If you examine many other 23/7 Raven isk farmers, you'll notice that about 30% of them have been in buescrew corp at some point. I know that IAC is just using the isk farmers to "steal" some of their money, basically making them pay rent for regions they don't even control. But the real issue is that actions of IAC give corps like buescrew in-game legitimacy. CCP is less likely to deal with them now. If real alliances didn't tolerate chinese isk farmers for their personal gain, CCP would have easier time identifying and banning the isk farmers. This corp is clearly ISK farmers who sell it for real money. A couple of their own members confirmed it. The situation is obvious, but as it has been stated in another thread, IAC doesnt care who they rent space for, even it contribute to ruin the game for few billions. It's kinda weak and I agree with OP.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Kirex If IAC kicks them out, they will still farm NPCs... So kicking them out will do nothing, might aswell make isk off them. :S You must be a police director or something like that IRL
wdwm Katarr Amarr 11th Hussars	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Fire Hawk IAC doesnt care who they rent space for Poor attempt at muck spreading, 1 for effort. Read, read and read again, IAC rent them space THAT DONT BELONG TO THEM. Personally I find it rather ammusing. Could be worse, IAC could been making Isk of ill gotten BP's.
Map Screen Flat Earth Society Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Fire Hawk This corp is clearly ISK farmers who sell it for real money. A couple of their own members confirmed it. So can we assume that with your ironclad evidence we will see mass bannings for the buescrew members?
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Racist vigilante wannabe GMs cry me a river please. I find this a very interesting quotation. The fact that Tyrrax hasn't recoginized a complaint by a ally either states that the OP is a person of little power or that thorrk doesn't consider RZR an ally. I find this a very interesting quotation. The fact that gonad lost a region to twelve guys in recons either states that he is a person of little power or that he is terrible at eve
Kamath Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:43:00 - [48] Edited by: Kamath on 29/07/2007 17:44:01 if you dont want them in your region its pretty simple, kill them harass them in game, by camping system where they are rating, and do this every day for a month or two, kill the giant at planet etcc ... they will leave the area if u do that.
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Kamath Edited by: Kamath on 29/07/2007 17:44:01 if you dont want them in your region its pretty simple, kill them harass them in game, by camping system where they are rating, and do this every day for a month or two, kill the giant at planet etcc ... they will leave the area if u do that. I can agree with you, now post this in your alliance mail so the other BOB stfu and do something about those farmers! they are hurting our children!
Koryvarn Amarr Liberty Rogues Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Kamath Edited by: Kamath on 29/07/2007 17:44:01 if you dont want them in your region its pretty simple, Kill them harass them in game, by camping system where they are rating, and do this every day for a month or two, kill the giant at planet etcc ... they will leave the area if u do that. Or, you could invite them to your alliance, then tell them where they should rat, in return for a weekly payment of ISK. More time for pew pew'ing proper enemies, no farmers in your space and your enemies will have to deal with the cloaking or WC stabbed ravens / drakes. IAC is evil and we eat babies.

Mungad Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:21:00 - [51] Man I wish my alliance leader was smart enough to think of this...oh wait. _____________________________ I farm isk.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:51:00 - [52] Originally by: CardboardSword42 Also if you're really worried about alliances giving isk farmers legitimacy I suggest you start worrying about the Soul of Fountain alliance SoF consists entirely of farmers and are red (or at least neutral) on every BoB-allied corp's overview. We kill them by the dozens when they can be goaded into engaging. Apparently, dampeners are startlingly effective against Ravens wearing WCS. Who knew? I personally think it's a shame to put a bunch of people who you supposedly hate in your alliance, if for no other reason than it really makes it hard to set standings towards you in a way that's consistent with this corp's standing within your alliance. But IAC can do as they see fit. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:00:00 - [53] Originally by: Ephemeron Today I ran accross one of buescrew Raven farmers in Branch. A quick "show info" revealed that they are part of IAC alliance again. In case some people are still unclear, buescrew is one of the most well known chinese isk farming corps. When you see the isk seller spam on public channels, you can be sure that at least some of that isk is coming from the buescrew farm sweatshops. If you examine many other 23/7 Raven isk farmers, you'll notice that about 30% of them have been in buescrew corp at some point. I know that IAC is just using the isk farmers to "steal" some of their money, basically making them pay rent for regions they don't even control. But the real issue is that actions of IAC give corps like buescrew in-game legitimacy. CCP is less likely to deal with them now. If real alliances didn't tolerate chinese isk farmers for their personal gain, CCP would have easier time identifying and banning the isk farmers. LOL WUT
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Ephemeron Today I ran accross one of buescrew Raven farmers in Branch. A quick "show info" revealed that they are part of IAC alliance again. In case some people are still unclear, buescrew is one of the most well known chinese isk farming corps. When you see the isk seller spam on public channels, you can be sure that at least some of that isk is coming from the buescrew farm sweatshops. If you examine many other 23/7 Raven isk farmers, you'll notice that about 30% of them have been in buescrew corp at some point. I know that IAC is just using the isk farmers to "steal" some of their money, basically making them pay rent for regions they don't even control. But the real issue is that actions of IAC give corps like buescrew in-game legitimacy. CCP is less likely to deal with them now. If real alliances didn't tolerate chinese isk farmers for their personal gain, CCP would have easier time identifying and banning the isk farmers. LOL WUT Sok, didn't you use to hunt ISK farmers? How can you stand by this?
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:13:00 - [55] these are not macroers and id rather not give any more incentive to be kicked out of iac, been there done that, got the t shirt, sent apologies
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:20:00 - [56] Originally by: Sokratesz these are not macroers I thought the problem was that they were ISK sellers, not macroers. Was I wrong? Originally by: Sokratesz and id rather not give any more incentive to be kicked out of iac, been there done that, got the t shirt, sent apologies This kinda talk makes me sad. If it's any consolation, know that we are having a bloody good time making macroratters/ISK seller's life miserable (hello there, Kalike's Knight Regiment!), though I must admit their broken English local talk is a hoot.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:24:00 - [57] Edited by: Sokratesz on 29/07/2007 22:25:00 a) If they sell isk ccp needs to ban them. theyve probably got their ways to work around it and the guys working the sweatshops doing the ratting probably know squat about that. no use in 'taking them down' or w/e theyre just poor souls making a living. Macroers are fun to kill because they fail to even pay attention to their pcs. i could care less about their motives b) not open for discussion, mail me ingame if you insist
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:28:00 - [58] Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 29/07/2007 22:25:00 a) If they sell isk ccp needs to ban them. theyve probably got their ways to work around it and the guys working the sweatshops doing the ratting probably know squat about that. no use in 'taking them down' or w/e theyre just poor souls making a living. Macroers are fun to kill because they fail to even pay attention to their pcs. i could care less about their motives K Originally by: Sokratesz b) not open for discussion, mail me ingame if you insist K, will do.
fugazii Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:29:00 - [59] Honestly what proof do you have they sell isk? If they did sell isk, and they all sat in a well known corp that only does so dont you think ccp would have banned them? CCP doesnt care if your in an alliance or not if your found to be selling isk youll be banned, and since theyre so well known they have undoubtedly been reported many times...which means they have been looked into and found to be not breaking any rules. You throw out these assumptions, yet all facts point to you being wrong.
Sooshie Gallente The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:46:00 - [60] Originally by: Mr Broker There are still plenty of other well known isk farmer corps without an alliance, and they are still kicking strong. You are a moron. Shutup while you still can.



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