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Rakshasa	Posted - 2007.07.30 06:56:00 - [1] Hey all... I fly lvl 4 missions in a Raven with relative ease... but it is a long grind for me. For example, Angel Extravaganza took 2.5 hours. That seems particulllarly slow... how long should it take?
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.07.30 07:34:00 - [2] Not counting the bonus room, 50mins in my Navy Apoc.
Crystalium Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:00:00 - [3] Depends if you only talk about killing all without looting nor salvaging .. some will say "woohoo made it in 35 minutes" .. "without looting and salvaging" It takes me between 1 and 2 hours including the "secret" pocket, with two accounts and all looting/salvaging
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:21:00 - [4] Originally by: Crystalium Depends if you only talk about killing all without looting nor salvaging .. some will say "woohoo made it in 35 minutes" .. "without looting and salvaging" It takes me between 1 and 2 hours including the "secret" pocket, with two accounts and all looting/salvaging About the same. Looting and salvaging make a huge difference in the time required. Not so uge in reward usually.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:27:00 - [5] CNR with 7 * CN cruise launchers with 6.42 ROF 45 minutes .You ll get better times when upgraded to better mods/skills .I had been finished at 3 hours when i first did and wrecks had been disappeared Originally by: Rakshasa Hey all... For example, Angel Extravaganza took 2.5 hours. That seems particulllarly slow... how long should it take?
Gee'Kin Tha Specialz	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Rakshasa Hey all... I fly lvl 4 missions in a Raven with relative ease... but it is a long grind for me. For example, Angel Extravaganza took 2.5 hours. That seems particulllarly slow... how long should it take? 2 accounts / within 45 mins AE. and rest are easy under 45 mins. excluding looting --------------------------------------------> Plz tickle my brain. I wanna have a Brainfart ! -------------------------------------------->
Nagissa Kaworu The Puro Beach Club	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:12:00 - [7] When i started doing lvl4s in a raven i was so dissapointed that i almost gave up on it altogether, it was just like KISOGOKU said the wrecks had dissapeared when i came back to salvage it took that long. But take your time to invest in the right skills and equipment and you'll see major improvements, for example one magical number to look at is your ROF get that as low as possible and missions will start going faster and faster. But 45-50 min for AE is very fast but its something you have to work to. Nag
Cyclops43	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:39:00 - [8] I have a close to top-fitted CNR, and my missile skills are at 8m SP. GE takes me about 1 hour (incl. bonus room, no looting, no faction ammo, not shooting the station). The important thing is to get your DPS up as high as possible, i.e. by getting skills up and getting good equipment. So, for a Raven pilot..... Train cruise missile related skills to at least 4 (5 is better) Get a CNR! Train Caldari Battleship to 5 Get a CNR!! Get the relevant missile implants Get a CNR!!! Get Caldari Navy launchers & ballistic controls Get a CNR!!!! Invest in a Gist XL shield booster when you can afford it Get a friggin' CNR!!!! You may notice I put an emphasis on CNR's The reason for this is, that this is the biggest increase in DPS you can get! That 7th missile slot is equivalent to a DPS increase of 16%, which may well increase your killspeed on BS by 50%... Explanation for that (numbers for illustration only): You fire 6 missiles at target BS for 100 damage each = 600 damage Target BS repairs/boosts 400 damage Net damage is 200.. If you fire 7 missiles, net damage will be 300, i.e. 50% more.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.07.30 11:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Rakshasa Hey all... I fly lvl 4 missions in a Raven with relative ease... but it is a long grind for me. For example, Angel Extravaganza took 2.5 hours. That seems particulllarly slow... how long should it take? 30 min with 2x CNR. Approx 40 ... 45 minutes solo (have not done it solo for while). Most 'hard' (meaning max LP) missions go in 20 to 30 minutes with 2x CNR. Some crap mission take same time due to long travel distances and big blob of frigates.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.30 11:22:00 - [10] 45-50 min for AE with 2 accounts inc looting no salvage.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.30 11:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Cyclops43 So, for a Raven pilot..... Train cruise missile related skills to at least 4 (5 is better) for max speed use torps and 2 x tp.
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.07.30 12:17:00 - [12] nano carrier with smartbombs. !! o wait .. they stopped them usen gates on level 4s already ? =P
Citizen X Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.07.30 13:40:00 - [13] 1 hour and 30 minutes odd in a Domi. The bonus is that time includes loooting / salvage. Hell of a tank with being able to run two Larger Repairers II all the time with 4 hardeners. A lot cheaper than these CNR jocks... I can watch TV safe in the knowledge if I **** up, I'm only 70M out of pocket.
Caile Sathinor Gallente Ex nihilo nihil fit	Posted - 2007.07.30 15:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Citizen X 1 hour and 30 minutes odd in a Domi. The bonus is that time includes loooting / salvage. Hell of a tank with being able to run two Larger Repairers II all the time with 4 hardeners. A lot cheaper than these CNR jocks... I can watch TV safe in the knowledge if I **** up, I'm only 70M out of pocket. I can do that too in my t2 fitted raven. Seriously...of all the things a raven can tank, the ones that worry me LEAST are angels.
Amanda Kerol	Posted - 2007.07.30 15:46:00 - [15] How long a standard raven with only t2 and arbalest cruise in "the assault" mission take? In general, how worst is a standard raven in % (t2 no faction) against a CNR (t2) and CNR (faction)?
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.07.30 20:32:00 - [16] I actually do make a note of the mission times. Here are my best times below. All L4 missions. They are not fascinating but not that incredibly bad either. Mission / Mins A Case of Kidnapping79 Angel Extravaganza92 Attack of the Drones7 Cargo Delivery3 (Kill miss) Duo of Death10 Enemies Abound (1 of 5)18 Enemies Abound (2 of 5)4 Enemies Abound (3 of 5)30 Enemies Abound (4 of 5)31 Enemies Abound (5 of 5)71 Fertile Ground4 Gone Berserk11 Guristas Extravaganza30 Incriminating Evidence (Hauling mission)15 Infiltrated Outposts17 Massive Attack20 Materials for War Preparation (Hauling Storyline Mission)10 Pirate Invasion21 Pirate Slaughter52 Recon (1 of 3)4 Recon (2 of 3)8 Recon (3 of 3)7 Ritualist Raids20 Rogue Drone Harassment16 Shipyard Theft35 Silence The Informant40 Smuggler Interception35 Stop The Thief13 The Assault35 The Blockade50 The Damsel In Distress43 The Guristas Spies4 The Right Hand Of Zazzmatazz9 The Rogue Slave Trader (1 of 2)7 The Rogue Slave Trader (2 of 2)8 The Sansha Spies11 The Score29 Troublemakers20 Unauthorized Military Presence10 Under Construction (Hauling mission)15 Vengeance37 Worlds Collide66
Kruuna	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:06:00 - [17] I'd say it takes around an hour (perhaps a little more) for me solo in a nighthawk. While I don't salvage, I do loot the battleships as I go. (love the tractor beam)
Pisi Mopsu	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:52:00 - [18] I loot and salvage almost everything and I fly a Rattlesnake... about an hour and a half if I remember correctly. If I wasnt so greedy it would go a lot faster!!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.04 15:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Sazkyen I actually do make a note of the mission times. Here are my best times below. All L4 missions. They are not fascinating but not that incredibly bad either. Edit: I hit the timer when I push the "Activate Gate" button or start to warp to the encounter site and hit the stop when I get the "Mission Completed" popup. Key point: time to salvage/loot/kill extra NPC/destroy building not included Sometime it is only wasted time, sometime it is useful to do all the above. For example silence the informat until not so long time ago dropped some scence skillbook and/or RAM and Hardwiring from one of the building (lately it drop only ammunitions or common modules). To me the time to complete a mission is the time from accettign it to the moment I stool looting/salvaging it.
Dragon Lord Caldari Aces and Eights Enterprises R i s e	Posted - 2007.08.05 21:26:00 - [20] Edited by: Dragon Lord on 05/08/2007 21:26:59 ok from activating the gate till popping the last bs in angel ganza area 5 takes 30mins in my CNR Guristas extrav takes 45mins including bonus room WC both sides takes about 50 minutes its my slowest mish. I do use factiom torps but its because i just love getting 940dmg hits :) Oh and theres a thread called loyalty point farming that has alot of times in 2.
Covenn Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.05 23:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 30/07/2007 20:38:46 I actually do make a note of the mission times. Here are my best times below. All L4 missions. They are not fascinating but not that incredibly bad either. Edit: I hit the timer when I push the "Activate Gate" button or start to warp to the encounter site and hit the stop when I get the "Mission Completed" popup. Mission / Mins A Case of Kidnapping79 Angel Extravaganza92 Attack of the Drones7 Cargo Delivery3 (Kill miss) Duo of Death10 Enemies Abound (1 of 5)18 Enemies Abound (2 of 5)4 Enemies Abound (3 of 5)30 Enemies Abound (4 of 5)31 Enemies Abound (5 of 5)71 Fertile Ground4 Gone Berserk11 Guristas Extravaganza30 Infiltrated Outposts17 Massive Attack20 Pirate Invasion21 Pirate Slaughter52 Recon (1 of 3)4 Recon (2 of 3)8 Recon (3 of 3)7 Ritualist Raids20 Rogue Drone Harassment16 Shipyard Theft35 Silence The Informant40 Smuggler Interception35 Stop The Thief13 The Assault35 The Blockade50 The Damsel In Distress43 The Guristas Spies4 The Right Hand Of Zazzmatazz9 The Rogue Slave Trader (1 of 2)7 The Rogue Slave Trader (2 of 2)8 The Sansha Spies11 The Score29 Troublemakers20 Unauthorized Military Presence10 Vengeance37 Worlds Collide66 .... Attack of the drones in 7 min ??? What are you flying to do that ? I just did this last night and it took me forever to kill all those battlships.
deadmaus Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.06 04:38:00 - [22] I do level4 6hr missions in a Drake in an hour( born 04 )and only bring a Raven in to speed things up if there are a lot of BS's or in that mission where there is 1 named rat with a horrific tank that the drake wont touch. I have 2 T2 BCU and 2 T2 shield power relay's in low slots. Cant fit T2 launchers so use malkuth's ( not paying horrific prices for arbies). 2-3 T2 LSE and 3-4 T2 active hardeners. A lot of them missions I don't have to warp out at all ( like the one where you go through the toxic cloud ) and about a 1/3rd of them I do, once maybe twice. I have had to bring the Raven in twice for that 1 tanked BS rat and once to speed things up. I planned to use it every time, using the drake to kill off support and Raven to kill the big stuff but as I said, usually just go right through with Drake.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.06 07:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Rakshasa Hey all... I fly lvl 4 missions in a Raven with relative ease... but it is a long grind for me. For example, Angel Extravaganza took 2.5 hours. That seems particulllarly slow... how long should it take? Ouch, that's slow. It takes an hour and ten minutes excluding the bonus room in my Nighthawk. The bonus room is another fifteen to twenty minutes. Looting takes about an hour though. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] *This is not* a signature**
The Rincewind Walhalla Enterprises Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.06 07:01:00 - [24] Originally by: KISOGOKU Edited by: KISOGOKU on 30/07/2007 08:35:34 CNR with 7 * CN cruise launchers with 6.42 ROF 45 minutes (without bonus) .You ll get better times when upgraded to better mods/skills .I had been finished at 3 hours when i did first time (with raven and xt-9000s) wrecks had been disappeared Originally by: Rakshasa Hey all... For example, Angel Extravaganza took 2.5 hours. That seems particulllarly slow... how long should it take? Edit :Added (without bonus) I¦d like to ask ya how u can make a RoF of 6.42 sec?!?! I have T2 Launcher and spec on 4 with 2 BCU II and i just get 7,56 or so.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.08.06 07:11:00 - [25] Originally by: The Rincewind I¦d like to ask ya how u can make a RoF of 6.42 sec?!?! I have T2 Launcher and spec on 4 with 2 BCU II and i just get 7,56 or so. You will get approx that number with Caldary BS lev 5, Rapid Fire lev 5, Caldary Navy launchers + 3..4x BCU II or Navy/DG BCU. Not sure but perhaps you might need to add 5% missile RoF hardwire also. It gets reasonably close to 6 sec RoF at the higher end of skills/fittings. Might even go under 6 sec with officer stuff. T2 fitting can get under 7 sec RoF with max skills (and 3x .. 4x BCU II's) also.
The Rincewind Walhalla Enterprises Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.06 07:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: The Rincewind I¦d like to ask ya how u can make a RoF of 6.42 sec?!?! I have T2 Launcher and spec on 4 with 2 BCU II and i just get 7,56 or so. You will get approx that number with Caldary BS lev 5, Rapid Fire lev 5, Caldary Navy launchers + 3..4x BCU II or Navy/DG BCU. Not sure but perhaps you might need to add 5% missile RoF hardwire also. It gets reasonably close to 6 sec RoF at the higher end of skills/fittings. Might even go under 6 sec with officer stuff. T2 fitting can get under 7 sec RoF with max skills (and 3x .. 4x BCU II's) also. so the secret is just spec on 5 with a 5% hardwire RoF. btw.. got the named skills u count on lv 5. I ll try this with a 3rd BCU II and the spec on 5... seeing you next in 34 days.....training
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.08.06 12:12:00 - [27] sure mate , Caldari BS lvl 5 missile launcher OP 5 rapid launch 5 ,3 CN BCU (They give same rof with BCU IIs but more damage bonus), 5% Missile ROF implant and Cn cruise launchers.I hope this clears all your suspects Originally by: The Rincewind I¦d like to ask ya how u can make a RoF of 6.42 sec?!?! I have T2 Launcher and spec on 4 with 2 BCU II and i just get 7,56 or so.
iudex Caldari Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.06 13:07:00 - [28] Originally by: KISOGOKU Edited by: KISOGOKU on 06/08/2007 12:42:27 sure mate , Caldari BS lvl 5 missile launcher OP 5 rapid launch 5 ,3 CN BCU (They give same rof with BCU IIs but more damage bonus), 5% Missile ROF implant and Cn cruise launchers.I hope this clears all your suspects Edit :quickfit gave me a result 6.6 sec ROF with spec lvl 5(with skills ,implant and mods i wrote) with cruise launcher IIs.6.42 is only possible with Caldari navy/Dread guristas launchers.Are you sure you want to train cruise spec lvl 5? Is this rof correct carniflex for cruise laucher IIs ?.Im new at quickfit . Originally by: The Rincewind I¦d like to ask ya how u can make a RoF of 6.42 sec?!?! I have T2 Launcher and spec on 4 with 2 BCU II and i just get 7,56 or so. Training cruise spec to 5 is a pain, it's a x8 skill, not worth that 2% imho, dg/cn launchers aren't thaaat expensive anymore and still faster compared to t2 even if you have the spec skill at 5. With 4 cn bcu and caldari navy launchers i currently get 6.23 rof, with a structure hit of 599.2 max. I remember when i had an estamel cruise launcher it had a rof of 4.98 - would be awsome to have 7 of them together with officer bcus
Rialtor Amarr TANDBERG Initiative	Posted - 2007.08.06 20:20:00 - [29] You definately don't want to loot/salvage everything. It depends on the mob if you loot, salvage or both. This is all my opinion, and my experience with the game thus far though. In my experience, Gurista has been worthless to both Loot and Salvage. Blood Raiders have good salvage but bad loot. Sanshas seems to be the good for salvage and loot. Merceneries drop great loot but crap salvage, usually salvage a bunch of scrap metal. Those are the gangs I fight mostly so that's the only ones I'll go on record as stating their loot/salvage results. Not that there's not a chance you'll miss some expensive item, but it's not worth putting an hour or 2 into loot/salvaging a bad mob. When you can clear another good mob and loot or salvage that one instead.
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:15:00 - [30] Originally by: iudex Originally by: KISOGOKU Edited by: KISOGOKU on 06/08/2007 12:42:27 sure mate , Caldari BS lvl 5 missile launcher OP 5 rapid launch 5 ,3 CN BCU (They give same rof with BCU IIs but more damage bonus), 5% Missile ROF implant and Cn cruise launchers.I hope this clears all your suspects Edit :quickfit gave me a result 6.6 sec ROF with spec lvl 5(with skills ,implant and mods i wrote) with cruise launcher IIs.6.42 is only possible with Caldari navy/Dread guristas launchers.Are you sure you want to train cruise spec lvl 5? Is this rof correct carniflex for cruise laucher IIs ?.Im new at quickfit . Originally by: The Rincewind I¦d like to ask ya how u can make a RoF of 6.42 sec?!?! I have T2 Launcher and spec on 4 with 2 BCU II and i just get 7,56 or so. Training cruise spec to 5 is a pain, it's a x8 skill, not worth that 2% imho, dg/cn launchers aren't thaaat expensive anymore and still faster compared to t2 even if you have the spec skill at 5. With 4 cn bcu and caldari navy launchers i currently get 6.23 rof, with a structure hit of 599.2 max. I remember when i had an estamel cruise launcher it had a rof of 4.98 - would be awsome to have 7 of them together with officer bcus mmmm officer fitted navy raven think it took me about 2 hours to do an angel extra, although i was semi afk. and attack of the drones can be a really quick mission, but i wanted all the drone alloys :x
hobieone Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:30:00 - [31] it depends on the mission but on average around 1hr 20min with looting then another 20-30 min after i turn in the mision to go back out and salvage the wrecks [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccp
Webang Shintoo	Posted - 2007.08.07 00:39:00 - [32] Takes me around 3-4 hours in my Drake solo. Some missions I have had to get a corpmate to assist with the final guy.
Natalia Fachiri Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:27:00 - [33] takes forever to finish anything in my Phoon. But I have pretty basic skills still so its really to be expected. I am happy that I can solo most things, if I am carefull.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.08.14 20:01:00 - [34] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 14/08/2007 20:01:47 I got the assault today and took my old raven out again 41 minutes with CNR (7Cn cruise launchers,6.42 RoF) against 62 minutes with raven (6 Cruise launcher IIs with 6.89 Rof, except domination x-large booster everything tech 2,had to use domi booster to fit cruise launcher IIs with tech 2 modules,it has same boost with x-large II but low cpu).fitting was 2 Kin IIs,1 invul II,1 cap recharger II, 2 PDU II, 3 BCUII ,1 heavy diminishing nos. And used wrath precisions to kill hacs ,had to warpout with raven at first stage when i got full agro.Ill update with tech II CNR result when i have mission again Originally by: Amanda Kerol How long a standard raven with only t2 and arbalest cruise in "the assault" mission take?
Rogan Sarl M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.15 10:49:00 - [35] AE = 35-40 min+(bonus)-(loot/salv). using 1 CNR & 1 Maelstrom. Both able to tank CNR = same fit as a normal raven (too lazy to change for 1 extra launcher and no rigs in as well) faction booster/t2 items/torps. Maelstrom = 1200mm guns (I think), and a small faction booster. We just do this for the standing/lp (oh..and fast isk ofc) R
Red Rumurder 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.15 13:37:00 - [36] can do all missions under 30 minutes - 45 minutes for AE all 6 stages and WC all 4 stages. Fly CNR all CN/DG fittings and CN Cruise ammo, sometimes will go torps but mainly cruise. Before anyone says BS i also have cruise 5, bs 5, all shield 4/5, 3 - 5% hardwires cruise dmg, rof, vel. The times are just shooting no salvaging or looting. I also been running lvl 4 for over a year so know the little things about each mission. AE is by far my favorite with the cnr natural exp resists, i knock out all em dmg causing rats first the therm, i tank all exp guys since my resists are 94.7% exp. I remember when it took me about 2 hours to do so don't worry your on the right path. got any questions hit me up in game and i'll help as much as i can. fly safe
Radiate Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.15 14:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Radiate on 15/08/2007 14:15:20 Originally by: Cyclops43 Edited by: Cyclops43 on 30/07/2007 09:44:19 I have a close to top-fitted CNR, and my missile skills are at 8m SP. GE takes me about 1 hour (incl. bonus room, no looting, no faction ammo, not shooting the station). The important thing is to get your DPS up as high as possible, i.e. by getting skills up and getting good equipment. So, for a Raven pilot..... Train cruise missile related skills to at least 4 (5 is better) Get a CNR! Train Caldari Battleship to 5 Get a CNR!! Train Drones to use medium T2 ones (load 5 light, 5 medium) Get a CNR!!! Get the relevant missile implants Get a CNR!!!! Get Caldari Navy launchers & ballistic controls Get a CNR!!!!! Invest in a Gist XL shield booster when you can afford it Get a friggin' CNR!!!! You may notice I put an emphasis on CNR's The reason for this is, that this is the biggest increase in DPS you can get! That 7th missile slot is equivalent to a DPS increase of 16%, which may well increase your killspeed on BS by 50%... Explanation for that (numbers for illustration only): You fire 6 missiles at target BS for 100 damage each = 600 damage Target BS repairs/boosts 400 damage Net damage is 200.. If you fire 7 missiles, net damage will be 300, i.e. 50% more. Yeah, i fly a CNR raven, with 7 t2 cruise launchers and a gist XTYPE XL booster, even without using my drones too much it takes me around 40-60 minutes to finish a mission even if i loot and salvage.
AOnoff	Posted - 2007.08.15 21:58:00 - [38] Edited by: AOnoff on 15/08/2007 22:03:02 My mission times: Raven with 6 x t2 cruise (T1 ammo) --------------------------------- Pirate Invasion (sansha) - 24 min. Attack of the drones - 17 min. Right hand of Zazzmatazz - 7 min. Pirate SLaughter (Gurista) - 57 min. Inflirtrated outpost - 20 min Gurista spies - 16 min vengeance (gurista) - 40 min Massive Attack (sansha) (without AB)- 26 min Massive Attack (sansha) (with AB) - 22 min Gone Berserk - 23 min Rogue Drone harrasement (blitz) - 9 min Rogue slave trader part I. - 5 min Guristas extravaganza + bonus room - 1 hour 34 min Silence the informant - 26 min Smuggler interception (blood) (without AB)- - 25 min Recon 1 of 3 blitz - 12:30 (ab ceptor) Raven with 3 x t2 Cruise 3 x T2 Torpedo (T2 Javeline) ------------------------------------- Intercept the saboteurs (minmatar) : 15 min Gurista spies - 12 min Raven with 2 x t2 Cruise 4 x T2 Torpedo (T1 ammo) ------------------------------------- Gurista spies - 10 min Pirate SLaughter (Gurista) - 50 min Gone Berserk - 17 min CNR with 7 x T2 cruise (T1 ammo) --------------------------------------- Downing the slavers part II, - 9 min Guristas extravaganza + bonus room - 1 hour 13 min Smuggler interception (blood) - 24 min Rogue Drone harrasement (blitz) - 8 min attack of the drones - 15 min Unauthorized millitary presence (blood) - 11 min Massive attack (sansha) with ab - 9 min Vengeance - 25 min CNR with 3 x T2 cruise (T1 ammo) + 4 x T2 siege (T1ammo) --------------------------------------- Gurista spies - 11 min Gone Berserk - 17 min BTW, there is no need of a very expensive gist XL booster, just waste of money.. i use a Caldari navy large booster, and it's more than enough for all L4's. Instead of the booster, buy some faction hardener and BCS. And as said before, BS l5, cap skills, etc. is a must. (not must of course, but helps a lot)

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